Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 11 December 2014, 13:21:46
Also this thread is for entertainment purposes only and nothing said herein should be taken as medical advice proceed at your own risk. 8)
I was recently diagnosed with something really bad (not really gonna discuss specifics here but if you care that much you know where to find me). I have since been looking into vitamins, supplements, etc that might help with my issues and/or just help in general. Before this I took a couple recent prescriptions and that is it nothing else other than an occasional sinus medicine or headache medicine.
I've just started taking Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Vitamin E, grape seed extract, milk thistle, Choline and a probiotic pill.
Always curious to know what others here might have in common and/or might recommend.
Maybe you take supplements because you work out? Or because you never see daylight? Or to give you better mental focus? Or maybe your mom makes you take vitamins?
So are you a pill popper? :o
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 11 December 2014, 13:28:59
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 11 December 2014, 13:31:28
I take a daily men's multivitamin, as well as fish oil and St. John's Wort. Green tea extract is another one I normally take, but I have recently been replacing it with organic Japanese green tea.
I'm considering adding fish oil, also read some good stuff on krill oil.
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 11 December 2014, 13:34:59
I also took pills while at uni, that also didn't last for too long.
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 11 December 2014, 13:36:47
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 11 December 2014, 15:26:04
It could be a lot worse, though. They help a lot.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 11 December 2014, 15:47:02
Right now I take about 24 pills/day, most of them are some form of supplement.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 11 December 2014, 15:47:41
Crazy Pill A (prescribed)
Crazy Pill B (prescribed)
Vitamin D (prescribed)
Claritin
As needed for sleep:
Melatonin
Antihistamine
As needed for awake:
Green Tea
Caffeine
Nootropics (quasi-legal, will not openly discuss here)
B12
Ibuprofen/Naproxen/Acetaminophen
So yeah, I pop a few pills.
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 11 December 2014, 15:48:54
I have a specific form of chronic migraines, about 0.5% of migraine sufferers have this form. Sucks. Always changing pills, trying new things; I've tried everything you've ever heard of and most things you haven't!
Right now I take about 24 pills/day, most of them are some form of supplement.
Cluster headaches?
Or am I prying too much?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 11 December 2014, 16:17:55
I have a specific form of chronic migraines, about 0.5% of migraine sufferers have this form. Sucks. Always changing pills, trying new things; I've tried everything you've ever heard of and most things you haven't!
Right now I take about 24 pills/day, most of them are some form of supplement.
I've heard that many chronic migraine are actually caused by-MILD- food allergies,
Usually it's a food you eat often and would never suspect.. such as milk, wheat, rice, corn (cornsyrup)
Post by: Findecanor on Thu, 11 December 2014, 16:18:13
I used to take Ranitidine daily for problems with stomach acid, but not any more.
Right now I have a sinus infection, for which I take bi-daily doses of nasal spray. I also rinse with saltwater.
I take a daily men's multivitamin, as well as fish oil and St. John's Wort.You do know that St. John's Wort does inhibit the uptake of many substances into the body, do you?
Post by: pichu23 on Thu, 11 December 2014, 16:22:35
I take two Omega 3 Capsules daily.
Post by: HPE1000 on Thu, 11 December 2014, 16:26:15
I have a specific form of chronic migraines, about 0.5% of migraine sufferers have this form. Sucks. Always changing pills, trying new things; I've tried everything you've ever heard of and most things you haven't!Migraines here as well, luckily I don't get them too bad, as in pain, but they are pretty frequent. (Maybe 2-3+ a week)
Right now I take about 24 pills/day, most of them are some form of supplement.
I just had one for a solid month and a half, still kind of have it and it got the best of me last night/yesterday. First time in years it's been that bad.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 11 December 2014, 16:28:11
I have a specific form of chronic migraines, about 0.5% of migraine sufferers have this form. Sucks. Always changing pills, trying new things; I've tried everything you've ever heard of and most things you haven't!Migraines here as well, luckily I don't get them too bad, as in pain, but they are pretty frequent. (Maybe 2-3+ a week)
Right now I take about 24 pills/day, most of them are some form of supplement.
I just had one for a solid month and a half, still kind of have it and it got the best of me last night/yesterday. First time in years it's been that bad.
I'm telling ya.. mild F00d allergies.. it won't show up in a test.. read my prior post on it.
Post by: StylinGreymon on Thu, 11 December 2014, 16:28:31
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 11 December 2014, 16:29:19
I take Tylenol for back pain occasionally, but nothing other than that.
you a side sleeper ?..
Post by: HPE1000 on Thu, 11 December 2014, 16:29:52
time to stop eating I guessI have a specific form of chronic migraines, about 0.5% of migraine sufferers have this form. Sucks. Always changing pills, trying new things; I've tried everything you've ever heard of and most things you haven't!Migraines here as well, luckily I don't get them too bad, as in pain, but they are pretty frequent. (Maybe 2-3+ a week)
Right now I take about 24 pills/day, most of them are some form of supplement.
I just had one for a solid month and a half, still kind of have it and it got the best of me last night/yesterday. First time in years it's been that bad.
I'm telling ya.. mild F00d allergies.. it won't show up in a test.. read my prior post on it.
Post by: StylinGreymon on Thu, 11 December 2014, 16:30:58
Side/stomach.I take Tylenol for back pain occasionally, but nothing other than that.
you a side sleeper ?..
Apparently the worst combo.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 11 December 2014, 16:32:05
time to stop eating I guessI have a specific form of chronic migraines, about 0.5% of migraine sufferers have this form. Sucks. Always changing pills, trying new things; I've tried everything you've ever heard of and most things you haven't!Migraines here as well, luckily I don't get them too bad, as in pain, but they are pretty frequent. (Maybe 2-3+ a week)
Right now I take about 24 pills/day, most of them are some form of supplement.
I just had one for a solid month and a half, still kind of have it and it got the best of me last night/yesterday. First time in years it's been that bad.
I'm telling ya.. mild F00d allergies.. it won't show up in a test.. read my prior post on it.
not alll of them.. it could be just 1 of them.. you gotta do a dedicated trial to find out...
For example.. Milk is real easy to test.. Drink as much as you can (without ****ting yourself).. then test your nose.. if it feels a bit more stuffy than usually... That's a mild milk allergy..
The other ones, you have to be clean of for a bit longer to see the effect....
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 11 December 2014, 16:35:05
Side/stomach.I take Tylenol for back pain occasionally, but nothing other than that.
you a side sleeper ?..
Apparently the worst combo.
Yea... side sleeping is THE WORST for your back..
depending on the shape of your body, it can be even worse.. Tall Skinny people have the most problems with side sleeping..
Fatter people have a better time, due to their waist providing some support.. but overall it's still bad..
Adjusting to back sleeping is TOUGH.. I had to because my shoulder is significantly wider than my waist, and I was basically a Bent L shape when I side slept..
It's fine for when you're a kid, because you have the flexibility, but once you grow older.. that goes away, and it just results in chronic back pain..
Post by: HPE1000 on Thu, 11 December 2014, 16:35:31
But my mother gets migraines just like me. She also had that month long migraine at the exact same time I did.time to stop eating I guessI have a specific form of chronic migraines, about 0.5% of migraine sufferers have this form. Sucks. Always changing pills, trying new things; I've tried everything you've ever heard of and most things you haven't!Migraines here as well, luckily I don't get them too bad, as in pain, but they are pretty frequent. (Maybe 2-3+ a week)
Right now I take about 24 pills/day, most of them are some form of supplement.
I just had one for a solid month and a half, still kind of have it and it got the best of me last night/yesterday. First time in years it's been that bad.
I'm telling ya.. mild F00d allergies.. it won't show up in a test.. read my prior post on it.
not alll of them.. it could be just 1 of them.. you gotta do a dedicated trial to find out...
For example.. Milk is real easy to test.. Drink as much as you can (without ****ting yourself).. then test your nose.. if it feels a bit more stuffy than usually... That's a mild milk allergy..
The other ones, you have to be clean of for a bit longer to see the effect....
The weather is the biggest factor in us getting migraines.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 11 December 2014, 16:37:39
But my mother gets migraines just like me. She also had that month long migraine at the exact same time I did.time to stop eating I guessI have a specific form of chronic migraines, about 0.5% of migraine sufferers have this form. Sucks. Always changing pills, trying new things; I've tried everything you've ever heard of and most things you haven't!Migraines here as well, luckily I don't get them too bad, as in pain, but they are pretty frequent. (Maybe 2-3+ a week)
Right now I take about 24 pills/day, most of them are some form of supplement.
I just had one for a solid month and a half, still kind of have it and it got the best of me last night/yesterday. First time in years it's been that bad.
I'm telling ya.. mild F00d allergies.. it won't show up in a test.. read my prior post on it.
not alll of them.. it could be just 1 of them.. you gotta do a dedicated trial to find out...
For example.. Milk is real easy to test.. Drink as much as you can (without ****ting yourself).. then test your nose.. if it feels a bit more stuffy than usually... That's a mild milk allergy..
The other ones, you have to be clean of for a bit longer to see the effect....
The weather is the biggest factor in us getting migraines.
It may be influenced for sure..
However, the fact that it's been passed down, also means it could've been a lifestyle choice handed down from her to you, such as certain foods, living habits..
Post by: HPE1000 on Thu, 11 December 2014, 16:39:30
nop we eat completely differentBut my mother gets migraines just like me. She also had that month long migraine at the exact same time I did.time to stop eating I guessI have a specific form of chronic migraines, about 0.5% of migraine sufferers have this form. Sucks. Always changing pills, trying new things; I've tried everything you've ever heard of and most things you haven't!Migraines here as well, luckily I don't get them too bad, as in pain, but they are pretty frequent. (Maybe 2-3+ a week)
Right now I take about 24 pills/day, most of them are some form of supplement.
I just had one for a solid month and a half, still kind of have it and it got the best of me last night/yesterday. First time in years it's been that bad.
I'm telling ya.. mild F00d allergies.. it won't show up in a test.. read my prior post on it.
not alll of them.. it could be just 1 of them.. you gotta do a dedicated trial to find out...
For example.. Milk is real easy to test.. Drink as much as you can (without ****ting yourself).. then test your nose.. if it feels a bit more stuffy than usually... That's a mild milk allergy..
The other ones, you have to be clean of for a bit longer to see the effect....
The weather is the biggest factor in us getting migraines.
It may be influenced for sure..
However, the fact that it's been passed down, also means it could've been a lifestyle choice handed down from her to you, such as certain foods, living habits..
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 11 December 2014, 16:49:25
nop we eat completely differentBut my mother gets migraines just like me. She also had that month long migraine at the exact same time I did.time to stop eating I guessI have a specific form of chronic migraines, about 0.5% of migraine sufferers have this form. Sucks. Always changing pills, trying new things; I've tried everything you've ever heard of and most things you haven't!Migraines here as well, luckily I don't get them too bad, as in pain, but they are pretty frequent. (Maybe 2-3+ a week)
Right now I take about 24 pills/day, most of them are some form of supplement.
I just had one for a solid month and a half, still kind of have it and it got the best of me last night/yesterday. First time in years it's been that bad.
I'm telling ya.. mild F00d allergies.. it won't show up in a test.. read my prior post on it.
not alll of them.. it could be just 1 of them.. you gotta do a dedicated trial to find out...
For example.. Milk is real easy to test.. Drink as much as you can (without ****ting yourself).. then test your nose.. if it feels a bit more stuffy than usually... That's a mild milk allergy..
The other ones, you have to be clean of for a bit longer to see the effect....
The weather is the biggest factor in us getting migraines.
It may be influenced for sure..
However, the fact that it's been passed down, also means it could've been a lifestyle choice handed down from her to you, such as certain foods, living habits..
Look for similarities.. do you both eat bread ?.. drink milk ? eat milk-based products ?
Let's say you have a wheat or milk allergy.. these two ingredients are in EVERYTHING... you would never suspect it..
then you rationalize and attribute your affliction to random variables during hyper-occurrences.. with no controled testing..
Ask yourself, Do you want to have these problems for life.. or do something about it..
Post by: HPE1000 on Thu, 11 December 2014, 16:56:46
So used to it and have a pretty high pain tolerance so it doesn't really bother me one bit. I could have gone to the doctors years ago if I cared enough, I have been put on medication for it before as well but the side effects were more annoying than the pain. Excedrin migraine works pretty good for me as well.nop we eat completely differentBut my mother gets migraines just like me. She also had that month long migraine at the exact same time I did.time to stop eating I guessI have a specific form of chronic migraines, about 0.5% of migraine sufferers have this form. Sucks. Always changing pills, trying new things; I've tried everything you've ever heard of and most things you haven't!Migraines here as well, luckily I don't get them too bad, as in pain, but they are pretty frequent. (Maybe 2-3+ a week)
Right now I take about 24 pills/day, most of them are some form of supplement.
I just had one for a solid month and a half, still kind of have it and it got the best of me last night/yesterday. First time in years it's been that bad.
I'm telling ya.. mild F00d allergies.. it won't show up in a test.. read my prior post on it.
not alll of them.. it could be just 1 of them.. you gotta do a dedicated trial to find out...
For example.. Milk is real easy to test.. Drink as much as you can (without ****ting yourself).. then test your nose.. if it feels a bit more stuffy than usually... That's a mild milk allergy..
The other ones, you have to be clean of for a bit longer to see the effect....
The weather is the biggest factor in us getting migraines.
It may be influenced for sure..
However, the fact that it's been passed down, also means it could've been a lifestyle choice handed down from her to you, such as certain foods, living habits..
Look for similarities.. do you both eat bread ?.. drink milk ? eat milk-based products ?
Let's say you have a wheat or milk allergy.. these two ingredients are in EVERYTHING... you would never suspect it..
then you rationalize and attribute your affliction to random variables during hyper-occurrences.. with no controled testing..
Ask yourself, Do you want to have these problems for life.. or do something about it..
I don't drink milk much. Last time I had a glass milk was maybe a month ago.
Already talked to them and if I wanted anything done I would have to sleep in the hospital overnight with a bunch of equipment hooked up to me.
Post by: dante on Thu, 11 December 2014, 16:56:59
Next week I will be doing my first run of a Soylent variant called Stephen's Fuel (http://custombodyfuel.com/product/stephen-fuel/).
If successful I will purchase the ingredients and make it myself.
It's true it's 1,000 cals a day / but I had similiar cals [sometimes lower] when I was very successful on Medifast; and this has way healthier ingredients. I don't plan to stay on it forever - just 4-6 months.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 11 December 2014, 17:04:28
So used to it and have a pretty high pain tolerance so it doesn't really bother me one bit. I could have gone to the doctors years ago if I cared enough, I have been put on medication for it before as well but the side effects were more annoying than the pain. Excedrin migraine works pretty good for me as well.nop we eat completely differentBut my mother gets migraines just like me. She also had that month long migraine at the exact same time I did.time to stop eating I guessI have a specific form of chronic migraines, about 0.5% of migraine sufferers have this form. Sucks. Always changing pills, trying new things; I've tried everything you've ever heard of and most things you haven't!Migraines here as well, luckily I don't get them too bad, as in pain, but they are pretty frequent. (Maybe 2-3+ a week)
Right now I take about 24 pills/day, most of them are some form of supplement.
I just had one for a solid month and a half, still kind of have it and it got the best of me last night/yesterday. First time in years it's been that bad.
I'm telling ya.. mild F00d allergies.. it won't show up in a test.. read my prior post on it.
not alll of them.. it could be just 1 of them.. you gotta do a dedicated trial to find out...
For example.. Milk is real easy to test.. Drink as much as you can (without ****ting yourself).. then test your nose.. if it feels a bit more stuffy than usually... That's a mild milk allergy..
The other ones, you have to be clean of for a bit longer to see the effect....
The weather is the biggest factor in us getting migraines.
It may be influenced for sure..
However, the fact that it's been passed down, also means it could've been a lifestyle choice handed down from her to you, such as certain foods, living habits..
Look for similarities.. do you both eat bread ?.. drink milk ? eat milk-based products ?
Let's say you have a wheat or milk allergy.. these two ingredients are in EVERYTHING... you would never suspect it..
then you rationalize and attribute your affliction to random variables during hyper-occurrences.. with no controled testing..
Ask yourself, Do you want to have these problems for life.. or do something about it..
I don't drink milk much. Last time I had a glass milk was maybe a month ago.
Already talked to them and if I wanted anything done I would have to sleep in the hospital overnight with a bunch of equipment hooked up to me.
Here's the thing.. I'm sensing a bit of .. putting-it-off attitude..
1 small problem today isn't anything.. you take this problem over the course of Years and Years..
it could lead to serious debilitation..
Chronic migraine also has a large list of comorbidities..
epilesy, stroke, depression, anxiety disorder,
increased aggressions/hostility (wife beating for sure)
hypertension, heart disease,
asthma, chronic fatigue, irritable bowel..
Compound those problems.. and in 20 years.. you pay the lump interest.. your family cries.. hopefully you have life insurance to cut down on funeral costs..
ALL of which could be avoided if you'd just listen to TP4.. (http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/uhuhuh-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862523)
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 11 December 2014, 17:06:58
I don't know if this counts ...
Next week I will be doing my first run of a Soylent variant called Stephen's Fuel (http://custombodyfuel.com/product/stephen-fuel/).
If successful I will purchase the ingredients and make it myself.
It's true it's 1,000 cals a day / but I had similiar cals [sometimes lower] when I was very successful on Medifast; and this has way healthier ingredients. I don't plan to stay on it forever - just 4-6 months.
Dante, I imagine ur a bit older.. where's the wife to make something like this for you?
Could be cheaper in the long run..
Post by: swill on Thu, 11 December 2014, 17:12:19
No illegal drug talk here only legal stuff per TOS.
Also this thread is for entertainment purposes only and nothing said herein should be taken as medical advice proceed at your own risk. 8)
I was recently diagnosed with something really bad (not really gonna discuss specifics here but if you care that much you know where to find me). I have since been looking into vitamins, supplements, etc that might help with my issues and/or just help in general. Before this I took a couple recent prescriptions and that is it nothing else other than an occasional sinus medicine or headache medicine.
I've just started taking Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Vitamin E, grape seed extract, milk thistle, Choline and a probiotic pill.
Always curious to know what others here might have in common and/or might recommend.
Maybe you take supplements because you work out? Or because you never see daylight? Or to give you better mental focus? Or maybe your mom makes you take vitamins?
So are you a pill popper? :o
Honestly, I try to avoid pills as much as I can. If I end up in a position where I 'should' take pills, I try to investigate how I can change my diet to get what I need. Call me crazy, but I don't trust big pharma.
"Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates
"He who takes medicine and neglects diet wastes the skill of his doctors." -- Chinese Proverb
"The doctor of the future will no longer treat the human frame with drugs, but rather will cure and prevent disease with nutrition." -- Thomas Edison
"Our bodies are our gardens – our wills are our gardeners." -- William Shakespeare
"The only way to keep your health is to eat what you don't want, drink what you don't like, and do what you'd rather not." -- Mark Twain
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 11 December 2014, 17:16:48
Swill.. ur next.. (http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/innocent-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862510)
Post by: byker on Thu, 11 December 2014, 17:45:25
Also, thanks for the info regarding sleeping positions tp! I wake up with a sore back, which I now know is likely due to sleeping on my side and being 6ft4!
Post by: dante on Thu, 11 December 2014, 17:54:17
I don't know if this counts ...
Next week I will be doing my first run of a Soylent variant called Stephen's Fuel (http://custombodyfuel.com/product/stephen-fuel/).
If successful I will purchase the ingredients and make it myself.
It's true it's 1,000 cals a day / but I had similiar cals [sometimes lower] when I was very successful on Medifast; and this has way healthier ingredients. I don't plan to stay on it forever - just 4-6 months.
Dante, I imagine ur a bit older.. where's the wife to make something like this for you?
Could be cheaper in the long run..
My wife is never happy about being the only one eating solid food - furthermore she was very much against me buying a weeks worth due to "nutjobs" and "whackos" who could be lacing or otherwise poisoning it. Who buys random bags of powder as sole source of nutrition from complete strangers?
^ This guy :D
After I got off Medifast I've done everything to keep the weight off and I've just had to wait long enough to find myself again - the guy who stuck it out for many months to begin with. Only this time I've got the Interstellar sound track and we're gonna get skinny this time!
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 11 December 2014, 17:57:58
I take a daily men's multivitamin, as well as fish oil and St. John's Wort.You do know that St. John's Wort does inhibit the update of many substances into the body, do you?
If by "update" you mean "uptake" and by "substances" you mean a wide range of prescription medications... then yes.
Other than that, it has no documented interferences with foods, herbs or supplements. At least according to my sources, that is...
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 11 December 2014, 18:50:08
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 11 December 2014, 19:07:03
And no, I don't really pop pills. The occasional Panadol when I get a headache, which is not that often fortunately. And maybe horseradish/garlic capsules when I get a bad cold, which also is infrequently.
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 11 December 2014, 19:09:08
During my adult life I have used vitamins off and on, and for the past couple of years mostly off. They are probably helpful but you have to buy them and keep track of them.
I try to eat healthy and stay in shape, although I really need to lose about 10-20 pounds now.
When I do have some bodily aches or pains, I find that ibuprofen is best at targeting specific pain.
Post by: demik on Thu, 11 December 2014, 19:29:25
Post by: ComradeSniper on Thu, 11 December 2014, 19:47:55
I wish caffeine did anything for me, but I seem to have a naturally high tolerance. I have to hit about 500-600mg before I feel anything, and at that dose it's not pleasant. I only drink coffee for the taste.
Post by: YoungMichael88 on Thu, 11 December 2014, 19:48:58
So far it works really well. I'm down 67pounds as of today.
Post by: tbc on Thu, 11 December 2014, 20:00:12
I significantly changed my food habits and diet in the last 5 months. I've cut out all dairy and all wheat products (all bread pasta etc.) and started counting calories like a madman. So naturally, I need to get calcium and some fibre from other sources like vitamins. So every day I take a multi vitamin for men with extra iron, a potassium pill and calcium. I also cheat a little on the wheat thing and I use course psyllium husk in foods when I cook for fibre and digestion.
So far it works really well. I'm down 67pounds as of today.
milk is a horrible source of calcium for the record. there's too much other junk in there.
brocolli is where it's at. :)
although in general, your body doesn't really actually 'lose calcium'. once you're past 21 and chronic disease free, you get enough calcium just by eating veggies.
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 11 December 2014, 20:03:59
So every day I take a multi vitamin for men with extra iron,
Iron is problematic for men and there is no way for the body to get rid of it.
If you eat meat and dark green vegetables you are probably getting plenty.
I never take any iron supplement and give blood ~4 times a year. Part of it is for the purpose of getting rid of iron. My hemoglobin is always on the high side of "good" even at that, and my other blood numbers are good as well.
Post by: byker on Thu, 11 December 2014, 20:12:05
So every day I take a multi vitamin for men with extra iron,
Iron is problematic for men and there is no way for the body to get rid of it.
If you eat meat and dark green vegetables you are probably getting plenty.
I never take any iron supplement and give blood ~4 times a year. Part of it is for the purpose of getting rid of iron. My hemoglobin is always on the high side of "good" even at that, and my other blood numbers are good as well.
I am the opposite! Whenever I go to give blood, I am super close to the limit at which you have to be above. I don't eat much red meat, but eat quite a few dark green veggies. Even my girlfriend had a high level of iron than me... :p
Post by: YoungMichael88 on Thu, 11 December 2014, 20:17:07
I don't eat red meat and rarely have dark greens. Well I might have dark greens 2-3 times a week and red meat maybe once or twice a month. I track absolutely every bit of food or beverage I intake and all of its nutritional values and try to hit the recommended levels. As it stands, I'm about 30% short on iron every day even with the vitamins.
So every day I take a multi vitamin for men with extra iron,
Iron is problematic for men and there is no way for the body to get rid of it.
If you eat meat and dark green vegetables you are probably getting plenty.
I never take any iron supplement and give blood ~4 times a year. Part of it is for the purpose of getting rid of iron. My hemoglobin is always on the high side of "good" even at that, and my other blood numbers are good as well.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 11 December 2014, 21:17:23
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 11 December 2014, 21:19:12
i heard u can switch to iron cookware to get more iron.. don't know if true.
false
the best way to get iron is to eat an animal, but there are veggies that are iron-rich, such as spinach, which are about 40-50% as good as a nice steak.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 11 December 2014, 22:25:16
Chiropractor, acupuncture, acupressure, Chinese medicine, Tibetan medicine, fasting, etc.; I've tried them all as well as 11 different neuros.
Diet- yes can have a profound effect for about 60% of migraine sufferers. I've tried (in order) gluten free, dairy free, vegetarian, vegan, paleo, Whole 30. None of them helped.
What has helped is the research clinic I go to: Jefferson Headache Center in Philly. If you have migraines or headaches and your local neuro has nothing else to offer, go there. They've helped me a ton. I go up there about 4x per year. If anyone has any questions pls PM me I'm happy to help.
Post by: JPG on Thu, 11 December 2014, 22:44:58
No illegal drug talk here only legal stuff per TOS.
Also this thread is for entertainment purposes only and nothing said herein should be taken as medical advice proceed at your own risk. 8)
I was recently diagnosed with something really bad (not really gonna discuss specifics here but if you care that much you know where to find me). I have since been looking into vitamins, supplements, etc that might help with my issues and/or just help in general. Before this I took a couple recent prescriptions and that is it nothing else other than an occasional sinus medicine or headache medicine.
I've just started taking Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Vitamin E, grape seed extract, milk thistle, Choline and a probiotic pill.
Always curious to know what others here might have in common and/or might recommend.
Maybe you take supplements because you work out? Or because you never see daylight? Or to give you better mental focus? Or maybe your mom makes you take vitamins?
So are you a pill popper? :o
Honestly, I try to avoid pills as much as I can. If I end up in a position where I 'should' take pills, I try to investigate how I can change my diet to get what I need. Call me crazy, but I don't trust big pharma.
"Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates
"He who takes medicine and neglects diet wastes the skill of his doctors." -- Chinese Proverb
"The doctor of the future will no longer treat the human frame with drugs, but rather will cure and prevent disease with nutrition." -- Thomas Edison
"Our bodies are our gardens – our wills are our gardeners." -- William Shakespeare
"The only way to keep your health is to eat what you don't want, drink what you don't like, and do what you'd rather not." -- Mark Twain
I 100% agree. I heard so many times some trusted nutricionist mention that most supplements (if not all) never give the same benefits as eating it same vitamin and/or nutrient from a natural food source.
Why eat fish pills when you can eat fish? Why take vitamins when fruits and vegetables are full of them? etc. And it cost less to eat well that to eat pills and for better results usually.
Post by: tbc on Thu, 11 December 2014, 23:06:34
No illegal drug talk here only legal stuff per TOS.
Also this thread is for entertainment purposes only and nothing said herein should be taken as medical advice proceed at your own risk. 8)
I was recently diagnosed with something really bad (not really gonna discuss specifics here but if you care that much you know where to find me). I have since been looking into vitamins, supplements, etc that might help with my issues and/or just help in general. Before this I took a couple recent prescriptions and that is it nothing else other than an occasional sinus medicine or headache medicine.
I've just started taking Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Vitamin E, grape seed extract, milk thistle, Choline and a probiotic pill.
Always curious to know what others here might have in common and/or might recommend.
Maybe you take supplements because you work out? Or because you never see daylight? Or to give you better mental focus? Or maybe your mom makes you take vitamins?
So are you a pill popper? :o
Honestly, I try to avoid pills as much as I can. If I end up in a position where I 'should' take pills, I try to investigate how I can change my diet to get what I need. Call me crazy, but I don't trust big pharma.
"Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates
"He who takes medicine and neglects diet wastes the skill of his doctors." -- Chinese Proverb
"The doctor of the future will no longer treat the human frame with drugs, but rather will cure and prevent disease with nutrition." -- Thomas Edison
"Our bodies are our gardens – our wills are our gardeners." -- William Shakespeare
"The only way to keep your health is to eat what you don't want, drink what you don't like, and do what you'd rather not." -- Mark Twain
I 100% agree. I heard so many times some trusted nutricionist mention that most supplements (if not all) never give the same benefits as eating it same vitamin and/or nutrient from a natural food source.
Why eat fish pills when you can eat fish? Why take vitamins when fruits and vegetables are full of them? etc. And it cost less to eat well that to eat pills and for better results usually.
they would be completely correct. your body is pretty much completely clueless on how to digest pills(they don't do anything to start the digestive process). vitamin supplements are commonly called 'expensive pee' by nutritionists and trainers.
Post by: swill on Thu, 11 December 2014, 23:24:36
the best way to get iron is to eat an animal, but there are veggies that are iron-rich, such as spinach, which are about 40-50% as good as a nice steak.
Not quite true, here are some iron content numbers for you...
Spinach: 3.6mg/100g
Top Sirloin Steak (broiled): 1.7mg/100g
Tenderloin Steak (broiled): 1.7mg/100g
Ribeye Steak (grilled): 2.2mg/100g
Chuck Eye Steak (grilled): 2.4mg/100g
Porterhouse (broiled): 3mg/100g
T-Bone Steak (broiled): 3.4mg/100g
So in fact Spinach has MORE iron than steak...
Other plant based sources of iron:
Peas: 2.1mg/100g
Green Beans: 1mg/100g
Beets: 0.8mg/100g
Broccoli: 0.7mg/100g
If you want some real iron, then go with some legumes.
Chickpees: 6.2mg/100g
Black Beans: 5mg/100g
... and so on ...
People just like to eat meat so they propagate the idea that it is super healthy. Meat is good, but it should really only be eaten in relatively small quantities compared to how much we eat as a society today. A plate should be max 1/4 meat and should have at least 1/2 be greens of some kind...
"Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." -- Michael Pollan
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 11 December 2014, 23:40:27
sigh......
Post by: swill on Thu, 11 December 2014, 23:45:13
The only problem with these "nutrition" plans, is that they're extremely expensive. And all the cooking involved.. and how generally plants don't taste good to most people..
sigh......
Haha...
"The more you eat, the less flavor; the less you eat, the more flavor." -- Chinese Proverb
Yes, it is more work and you do have to cook, but is cheaper to eat healthy if you actually do it...
Post by: swill on Thu, 11 December 2014, 23:45:53
Post by: tbc on Thu, 11 December 2014, 23:47:04
plants are MORE expensive?
steak costs like $10/kilo for me (for a cheap cut). I've never seen more than $3/lb for a green vege before.
what are people everywhere else paying?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 11 December 2014, 23:48:03
The only problem with these "nutrition" plans, is that they're extremely expensive. And all the cooking involved.. and how generally plants don't taste good to most people..
sigh......
Haha...
"The more you eat, the less flavor; the less you eat, the more flavor." -- Chinese Proverb
Yes, it is more work and you do have to cook, but is cheaper to eat healthy if you actually do it...
IDK where ur getting this cheaper number from..
junk food is calorically dense and taste AWESOME..
healthy = vegetables (bitter), which per pound also cost as much as meat..
if you switched away from cheap calorically dense foods, it necessarily becomes more expensive.
Post by: swill on Thu, 11 December 2014, 23:59:25
The only problem with these "nutrition" plans, is that they're extremely expensive. And all the cooking involved.. and how generally plants don't taste good to most people..
sigh......
Haha...
"The more you eat, the less flavor; the less you eat, the more flavor." -- Chinese Proverb
Yes, it is more work and you do have to cook, but is cheaper to eat healthy if you actually do it...
IDK where ur getting this cheaper number from..
junk food is calorically dense and taste AWESOME..
healthy = vegetables (bitter), which per pound also cost as much as meat..
if you switched away from cheap calorically dense foods, it necessarily becomes more expensive.
Myth: calories = nutritious
Your 'cheap' foods are loaded with sugar, salt and fat and are horribly unhealthy.
What makes you think that dense foods are good for you? With the way your body works, they actually force you to over eat to actually feel full. This is one of the main reasons obesity is rampant right now.
These cheap calorie dense foods are the creation of the last 100 years and never exist this way for the entire existence of human civilization.
Post by: JPG on Fri, 12 December 2014, 00:00:48
The only problem with these "nutrition" plans, is that they're extremely expensive. And all the cooking involved.. and how generally plants don't taste good to most people..
sigh......
The taste is mostly a question of habbit. For sure, if you are used to eat a lot of meat and cheese and transformed foods, it will be hard to eat straight vetegables at first. But if you really try it for a while, you will realise that vegetables and most natural foods taste quite good, even better than most meals we are used to. And cooking is not always very long. In fact, I cook for my family on a daily basis and I cook a dish in 30 min usually (well most of the time) and manage to cook some quite healty food. And 30 min is often less than the time required to go buy some fastfood at the restaurant.
As for the cost, most transformed foods cost more than vegetables and eating vegetables tends to fill your stomach quite faster since they have a lot more fibers which gives you the sensation of being full (because in fact you have eaten enough for your body). So while so dishes can cost more depending on where you live, I am pretty sure that buying fresh vegetables does not cost that much compared to what people spend most of the time. For 10$, I can make many meals for a whole family that are healty and will have leftovers for some lunchs.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 12 December 2014, 00:02:09
The only problem with these "nutrition" plans, is that they're extremely expensive. And all the cooking involved.. and how generally plants don't taste good to most people..
sigh......
Haha...
"The more you eat, the less flavor; the less you eat, the more flavor." -- Chinese Proverb
Yes, it is more work and you do have to cook, but is cheaper to eat healthy if you actually do it...
IDK where ur getting this cheaper number from..
junk food is calorically dense and taste AWESOME..
healthy = vegetables (bitter), which per pound also cost as much as meat..
if you switched away from cheap calorically dense foods, it necessarily becomes more expensive.
Myth: calories = nutritious
Your 'cheap' foods are loaded with sugar, salt and fat and are horribly unhealthy.
What makes you think that dense foods are good for you? With the way your body works, they actually force you to over eat to actually feel full. This is one of the main reasons obesity is rampant right now.
These cheap calorie dense foods are the creation of the last 100 years and never exist this way for the entire existence of human civilization.
You suck at the reading.
At no point did I say dense food = nutritious
My point was simply it's far more expensive to eat healthy..
That is a huge barrier to lower income families, which occupy the bulk of the obesity ladder.
Post by: tbc on Fri, 12 December 2014, 00:13:27
anyone saying: vegies cost more than meat in vancouver is lying. that's a fact.
i just wonder what prices people are paying elsewhere.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 12 December 2014, 00:15:43
Most vegetables other than Lettuce cost about that much or more..
Post by: jackalope on Fri, 12 December 2014, 01:20:21
Post by: iri on Fri, 12 December 2014, 05:31:34
i take 5 pills daily for stomach, multivitamins and sometimes nicotine to calm me down.
i take gym for back pain.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 12 December 2014, 10:01:48
Sorry to hijack your thread Spamray. I will shut up now... :p
no worries! that's the whole point of an internet forum, sharing ALL the viewpoints :thumb:
Post by: azhdar on Fri, 12 December 2014, 11:00:08
I had to take a **** lot of medications after a big accident , like a lot of morphines , Anesthesias for multiple operations ... It ****s up your body .
Imo pills are no miracle , they fix one issue to create a new one .
ps: i wish no-one to endure pain that morphine can't mitigate .
Post by: dustinhxc on Fri, 12 December 2014, 11:05:17
Now Adam Multi Vitamin, Omega 3 made from Algae, Vitamin C, Vitamin B, Vitamin D.
Some days Ill take Green Tea pills or Fiber Pills.
When working out Ill take Kre Alkalyn.
I used to take more but most of them are in the Now Adam Formula. :thumb:
Also, what Swill said. I eat a ton of Black Beans so I'm good there. No meat necessary.
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 12 December 2014, 12:53:15
Post by: 00zeRO on Fri, 12 December 2014, 14:21:35
No illegal drug talk here only legal stuff per TOS.Elderberry is a good one to take as well...
Also this thread is for entertainment purposes only and nothing said herein should be taken as medical advice proceed at your own risk. 8)
I was recently diagnosed with something really bad (not really gonna discuss specifics here but if you care that much you know where to find me). I have since been looking into vitamins, supplements, etc that might help with my issues and/or just help in general. Before this I took a couple recent prescriptions and that is it nothing else other than an occasional sinus medicine or headache medicine.
I've just started taking Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Vitamin E, grape seed extract, milk thistle, Choline and a probiotic pill.
Always curious to know what others here might have in common and/or might recommend.
Maybe you take supplements because you work out? Or because you never see daylight? Or to give you better mental focus? Or maybe your mom makes you take vitamins?
So are you a pill popper? :o
Post by: henz on Fri, 12 December 2014, 14:34:58
Other than that i only take stuff prescribed from the doctor when im sick.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 12 December 2014, 14:49:35
From what I've read and learned in the past, multivitamins and supplements are probably not necessary unless used to treat something in particular. For example, above the bio-availability maximum of vitamin C, the body excretes it extremely efficiently. This means that if your body can only absorb 75mg (I don't know the real number here), and you take 1.5 g, you are essentially wasting 1.425 g of it since the endocrine system treats the excess like any other waste.
Eating well and diversified foods is good, and sometimes vitamin supplements are beneficial, but daily use of multivitamins and other unnecessary things is, quite literally, pissing your money away.
Post by: iri on Fri, 12 December 2014, 15:21:39
Post by: JackMills on Fri, 12 December 2014, 15:36:53
Vitamin D comes in liquid so not a pill, but taking it as well.
Post by: swill on Fri, 12 December 2014, 16:06:25
my wife forces me to ocationally take these men vitamins(usually on wekends) the box is probably 3 years old. Almost finished now.
Other than that i only take stuff prescribed from the doctor when im sick.
Do you randomly get an erection for like 4 hours after you take your 'man vitamins' which are prescribed by your wife? :P
Post by: swill on Fri, 12 December 2014, 16:10:41
This thread is taking a very pro-vitamin stance. I would like to get my 2¢ on that since I mentioned I take a vitamin daily. The only reason I take it is because I have a deficiency, and the doctor prescribed I take it after discontinuing synthroid treatment.
From what I've read and learned in the past, multivitamins and supplements are probably not necessary unless used to treat something in particular. For example, above the bio-availability maximum of vitamin C, the body excretes it extremely efficiently. This means that if your body can only absorb 75mg (I don't know the real number here), and you take 1.5 g, you are essentially wasting 1.425 g of it since the endocrine system treats the excess like any other waste.
Eating well and diversified foods is good, and sometimes vitamin supplements are beneficial, but daily use of multivitamins and other unnecessary things is, quite literally, pissing your money away.
+1... Don't take pills if you don't KNOW you need it. Do you know you need a vitamin? Have you had blood work to SHOW you need to take it? Taking vitamins just for fun is really a waste... I don't take any pills of any kind unless there is a specific reason for it...
Post by: swill on Fri, 12 December 2014, 16:12:15
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 12 December 2014, 16:19:59
a lot of you guys should add this to your signatures: #fundingpharmaforfun :p
well when the word disease gets dropped on you its hard not to try just about anything :-\
Post by: swill on Fri, 12 December 2014, 16:27:58
a lot of you guys should add this to your signatures: #fundingpharmaforfun :p
well when the word disease gets dropped on you its hard not to try just about anything :-\
This is absolutely not directed at you. You are looking for solutions to actual ailments. Many of the people in this thread are perfectly healthy and are taking 4-8 pills a day for fun. That boggles my mind...
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 12 December 2014, 16:28:52
Here in South Africa the variety and quality of fruits is excellent and I plan on having plenty while here.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 12 December 2014, 16:34:45
a lot of you guys should add this to your signatures: #fundingpharmaforfun :p
well when the word disease gets dropped on you its hard not to try just about anything :-\
This is absolutely not directed at you. You are looking for solutions to actual ailments. Many of the people in this thread are perfectly healthy and are taking 4-8 pills a day for fun. That boggles my mind...
no worries and for the record I hate taking pills period ???
Post by: heedpantsnow on Fri, 12 December 2014, 16:35:24
Post by: iri on Fri, 12 December 2014, 16:44:02
Post by: dustinhxc on Fri, 12 December 2014, 16:49:59
I'm with swill, the only reason I take fish oil caps is cause I'm vegetarian and don't get enough Omega-3, when I can get avocado's I opt to not take the fish oil.
Here in South Africa the variety and quality of fruits is excellent and I plan on having plenty while here.
If you're vegetarian you should try http://m.vitacost.com/products/deva-vegan-omega-3-dha-90-vegan-softgels-1 (http://m.vitacost.com/products/deva-vegan-omega-3-dha-90-vegan-softgels-1). I used to take fish oil before I was.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 12 December 2014, 16:59:45
I would've thought most Geeks are into the whole Natural food fad that's been going round.. (http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/cruch-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862497)
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 12 December 2014, 17:26:21
I'm with swill, the only reason I take fish oil caps is cause I'm vegetarian and don't get enough Omega-3, when I can get avocado's I opt to not take the fish oil.
Here in South Africa the variety and quality of fruits is excellent and I plan on having plenty while here.
If you're vegetarian you should try http://m.vitacost.com/products/deva-vegan-omega-3-dha-90-vegan-softgels-1 (http://m.vitacost.com/products/deva-vegan-omega-3-dha-90-vegan-softgels-1). I used to take fish oil before I was.
Thanks dustinhxc, I'm not sure if it is available here, but I'll check around. I'm not a super strict vegan, I do consumer milk, eggs, etc just not any form of meat.
Post by: ComradeSniper on Fri, 12 December 2014, 18:23:24
I'm with swill, the only reason I take fish oil caps is cause I'm vegetarian and don't get enough Omega-3, when I can get avocado's I opt to not take the fish oil.
Here in South Africa the variety and quality of fruits is excellent and I plan on having plenty while here.
If you're vegetarian you should try http://m.vitacost.com/products/deva-vegan-omega-3-dha-90-vegan-softgels-1 (http://m.vitacost.com/products/deva-vegan-omega-3-dha-90-vegan-softgels-1). I used to take fish oil before I was.
Hmm, now that I think of it I probably don't get enough omega-3 either. Thanks for sharing this :)
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 12 December 2014, 19:08:05
Post by: dustinhxc on Fri, 12 December 2014, 20:22:34
I'm with swill, the only reason I take fish oil caps is cause I'm vegetarian and don't get enough Omega-3, when I can get avocado's I opt to not take the fish oil.
Here in South Africa the variety and quality of fruits is excellent and I plan on having plenty while here.
If you're vegetarian you should try http://m.vitacost.com/products/deva-vegan-omega-3-dha-90-vegan-softgels-1 (http://m.vitacost.com/products/deva-vegan-omega-3-dha-90-vegan-softgels-1). I used to take fish oil before I was.
Thanks dustinhxc, I'm not sure if it is available here, but I'll check around. I'm not a super strict vegan, I do consumer milk, eggs, etc just not any form of meat.
I'm with swill, the only reason I take fish oil caps is cause I'm vegetarian and don't get enough Omega-3, when I can get avocado's I opt to not take the fish oil.
Here in South Africa the variety and quality of fruits is excellent and I plan on having plenty while here.
If you're vegetarian you should try http://m.vitacost.com/products/deva-vegan-omega-3-dha-90-vegan-softgels-1 (http://m.vitacost.com/products/deva-vegan-omega-3-dha-90-vegan-softgels-1). I used to take fish oil before I was.
Hmm, now that I think of it I probably don't get enough omega-3 either. Thanks for sharing this :)
We've started adding flax seeds to some of our foods.
You're welcome! Flax is great too, liquid is the best form of it.
Post by: tbc on Fri, 12 December 2014, 20:32:18
We've started adding flax seeds to some of our foods.
flax is freaking glorious according to everything i've seen.
not to mention flax bread just actually tastes great.
the only gotcha is you have to actually crack the shell, so pregrind or chew thoroughly lol.
Post by: dorkvader on Sat, 13 December 2014, 00:07:53
I 100% agree. I heard so many times some trusted nutricionist mention that most supplements (if not all) never give the same benefits as eating it same vitamin and/or nutrient from a natural food source.
Why eat fish pills when you can eat fish? Why take vitamins when fruits and vegetables are full of them? etc. And it cost less to eat well that to eat pills and for better results usually.
I eat fish twice a week and take 2000 mg of fish oil on top of that.
I also take 2000 mg of inositol and some prescribed stuff.
Exactly all of this was either prescribed or recommended by my doctor. I would be taking exactly 0 pills otherwise.
Healthy eating and excercise is the way to go.
Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 13 December 2014, 01:21:58
Flax is great too, liquid is the best form of it.Too bad that linseed oil tastes horrible.
Post by: iri on Sat, 13 December 2014, 04:00:54
Post by: henz on Sun, 14 December 2014, 03:33:15
my wife forces me to ocationally take these men vitamins(usually on wekends) the box is probably 3 years old. Almost finished now.
Other than that i only take stuff prescribed from the doctor when im sick.
Do you randomly get an erection for like 4 hours after you take your 'man vitamins' which are prescribed by your wife? :P
:) i call it vitamin V!
Post by: Findecanor on Sun, 14 December 2014, 15:38:52
I'm with swill, the only reason I take fish oil caps is cause I'm vegetarian and don't get enough Omega-3, when I can get avocado's I opt to not take the fish oil.The caps are probably made from gelatine, which is not vegetarian .... ;)
Being a vegetarian I tend to avoid gelatine unless it is real medicine, I.e. pain killer, antibiotics, etc.
One thing that bothers me with how pills are made is that the majority contain additives for cosmetic reasons where the health effects are still disputed. For example colloidal silica (texture) and titanium dioxide (nanoparticle, white pigment).
There exists bottled Avocado oil - if you can find it, you won't have to always get fresh avocados. It is often difficult to time the use of each one in a bag to when it is not too hard and not too soft.
Unfortunately many sources of Omega-3 contains also large amounts of Omega-6, and it is thought that omega-6 somehow counteracts the good effects of omega-3. I am not entire sure how, though...
The only common plant stuff I have heard of that contain much Omega-3 but little Omega-6 is Chia seeds, but I have never seen bottled Chia oil.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 14 December 2014, 16:35:31
I tried some of my friend's ritalin, to see what's up.. that stuff made me zone the hell out..
I started writing out starcraft build orders from 4th grade.. and did it for 9 hours straight..
Post by: iri on Sun, 14 December 2014, 17:25:43
Post by: dustinhxc on Sun, 14 December 2014, 20:59:55
It is so nice to be a carnivore. Not avoiding anything.
Luckily, not everyone thinks selfishly like you.
I am proud to be selfless and help save animals. If everyone thought like you, they'd be extinct.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 14 December 2014, 21:09:47
It is so nice to be a carnivore. Not avoiding anything.
Luckily, not everyone thinks selfishly like you.
I am proud to be selfless and help save animals. If everyone thought like you, they'd be extinct.
But, but I thought cows and pigs and chickens grow on farms. :P :D ;)
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sun, 14 December 2014, 21:23:33
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 14 December 2014, 21:30:10
I heard boneless chicken farms are especially awesome
is this a real thing... i've googled it before, seems not possible.
Post by: swill on Sun, 14 December 2014, 21:35:04
Omg. The stupid level is over 9000.I heard boneless chicken farms are especially awesome
is this a real thing... i've googled it before, seems not possible.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 14 December 2014, 21:36:13
I heard boneless chicken farms are especially awesome
is this a real thing... i've googled it before, seems not possible.
sarcasm is very much a real thing
http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast-farm (http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast-farm)
Post by: swill on Sun, 14 December 2014, 21:38:37
With the state of stupidity in our society right now I am not convinced that sort of sarcasm is not taken seriously. Sad day...I heard boneless chicken farms are especially awesome
is this a real thing... i've googled it before, seems not possible.
sarcasm is very much a real thing
http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast-farm (http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast-farm)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 14 December 2014, 21:40:06
With the state of stupidity in our society right now I am not convinced that sort of sarcasm is not taken seriously. Sad day...I heard boneless chicken farms are especially awesome
is this a real thing... i've googled it before, seems not possible.
sarcasm is very much a real thing
http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast-farm (http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast-farm)
At least the beef we were eating until we recently ran out came from a bull who lived in a field behind our house.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 14 December 2014, 21:47:54
With the state of stupidity in our society right now I am not convinced that sort of sarcasm is not taken seriously. Sad day...I heard boneless chicken farms are especially awesome
is this a real thing... i've googled it before, seems not possible.
sarcasm is very much a real thing
http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast-farm (http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast-farm)
At least the beef we were eating until we recently ran out came from a bull who lived in a field behind our house.
What?
I'm talking about growing meat in petri-dishes, You guys want to talk about the state of stupidity in the world?
Fine,
Let me enlighten you then.. EVERYONE is exactly as -smart- as they're supposed to be..
The world is wholly deterministic.. Choices are but the momentary recollection of fallen dominos..
Swill, you live in negligence of reality pretending to be better than those around you, how foolish..
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 14 December 2014, 21:48:53
With the state of stupidity in our society right now I am not convinced that sort of sarcasm is not taken seriously. Sad day...I heard boneless chicken farms are especially awesome
is this a real thing... i've googled it before, seems not possible.
sarcasm is very much a real thing
http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast-farm (http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast-farm)
At least the beef we were eating until we recently ran out came from a bull who lived in a field behind our house.
What?
I'm talking about growing meat in petri-dishes, You guys want to talk about the state of stupidity in the world?
Fine,
Let me enlighten you then.. EVERYONE is exactly as -smart- as they're supposed to be..
The world is wholly deterministic.. Choices are but the momentary recollection of fallen dominos..
Swill, you live in negligence of reality pretending to be better than those around you, how foolish..
Oh so like one day we will have meat pills that are actually synthetically grown so we no longer have to chew, sounds reasonable.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 14 December 2014, 21:50:37
With the state of stupidity in our society right now I am not convinced that sort of sarcasm is not taken seriously. Sad day...I heard boneless chicken farms are especially awesome
is this a real thing... i've googled it before, seems not possible.
sarcasm is very much a real thing
http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast-farm (http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast-farm)
At least the beef we were eating until we recently ran out came from a bull who lived in a field behind our house.
What?
I'm talking about growing meat in petri-dishes, You guys want to talk about the state of stupidity in the world?
Fine,
Let me enlighten you then.. EVERYONE is exactly as -smart- as they're supposed to be..
The world is wholly deterministic.. Choices are but the momentary recollection of fallen dominos..
Swill, you live in negligence of reality pretending to be better than those around you, how foolish..
Oh so like one day we will have meat pills that are actually synthetically grown so we no longer have to chew, sounds reasonable.
well we already have very good protein and other isolates..
The problem is no one knows "FOR SURE" how much all this "nutrition" a person actually needs.
Post by: swill on Sun, 14 December 2014, 21:51:29
No. I grew up raising everything that provided for me on a self sufficient farm without electricity or running water.With the state of stupidity in our society right now I am not convinced that sort of sarcasm is not taken seriously. Sad day...I heard boneless chicken farms are especially awesome
is this a real thing... i've googled it before, seems not possible.
sarcasm is very much a real thing
http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast-farm (http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast-farm)
At least the beef we were eating until we recently ran out came from a bull who lived in a field behind our house.
What?
I'm talking about growing meat in petri-dishes, You guys want to talk about the state of stupidity in the world?
Fine,
Let me enlighten you then.. EVERYONE is exactly as -smart- as they're supposed to be..
The world is wholly deterministic.. Choices are but the momentary recollection of fallen dominos..
Swill, you live in negligence of reality pretending to be better than those around you, how foolish..
I am baffled by the state of society and how little people actually care. :(
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 14 December 2014, 21:58:16
No. I grew up raising everything that provided for me on a self sufficient farm without electricity or running water.With the state of stupidity in our society right now I am not convinced that sort of sarcasm is not taken seriously. Sad day...I heard boneless chicken farms are especially awesome
is this a real thing... i've googled it before, seems not possible.
sarcasm is very much a real thing
http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast-farm (http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast-farm)
At least the beef we were eating until we recently ran out came from a bull who lived in a field behind our house.
What?
I'm talking about growing meat in petri-dishes, You guys want to talk about the state of stupidity in the world?
Fine,
Let me enlighten you then.. EVERYONE is exactly as -smart- as they're supposed to be..
The world is wholly deterministic.. Choices are but the momentary recollection of fallen dominos..
Swill, you live in negligence of reality pretending to be better than those around you, how foolish..
I am baffled by the state of society and how little people actually care. :(
how little people actually care about "what"..
Post by: swill on Sun, 14 December 2014, 22:23:15
Swill, you live in negligence of reality pretending to be better than those around you, how foolish..No. I grew up raising everything that provided for me on a self sufficient farm without electricity or running water.
I am baffled by the state of society and how little people actually care. :(
how little people actually care about "what"..
What they put in their bodies. Where their food comes from. What horrible things the animals go through who are feeding them. How much of a natural disaster our farming practices are now days. That monsanto can even exist and do what they do and people just don't care... I find it scary...
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 14 December 2014, 23:05:35
Swill, you live in negligence of reality pretending to be better than those around you, how foolish..No. I grew up raising everything that provided for me on a self sufficient farm without electricity or running water.
I am baffled by the state of society and how little people actually care. :(
how little people actually care about "what"..
What they put in their bodies. Where their food comes from. What horrible things the animals go through who are feeding them. How much of a natural disaster our farming practices are now days. That monsanto can even exist and do what they do and people just don't care... I find it scary...
Let me clear up some misconceptions for you swill..
First. there is no official oppressor of mankind.. Downward controlling pressure exerted by governments and corporations is a natural organizational phenomenon.
They HAVE TO exist in the way that they do, because if you leave it up to a "vote" nothing would get done..
The entire democratic process is merely an inclination.. One day when each individual transcends being merely human, transcends our very limited capacities (slow information processing speed), then perhaps we'd have the time to poll everything..
Governments and Corporations ARE PEOPLE... they're not the fat mosquitoes sucking the blood of the proletariat..
Now.. the People's health..
Truth is, it doesn't matter that people are dying.. as long as there are replacements.. haha.. this matter is far less sinister than it sounds.. I realize you must think I'm a psychopath for writing that..
We humans are procreative beings.. therein lies our immortality.. Individual health is important yes, but only to the extent that we are Productive throughout our peak physical age..
What happens after age 60, well, if we were playing civ, and they simulated aged units.. most players would probably click delete-unit.. Hahaha...
Even with the modern afflictions of the Murica' diet.. it's enough to get most people working decent till retirement..
Natural disasters:..
We really have not seen any cataclysmic potential as the result of our earthly influence... Sure it may get smoggy and the ozone hole, yea... that's all bad.. but you must see that.. we are to evolve AWAY from being the flesh that cares about such things..
Once we have enough processing power to produce sustaining consciousness.. That is the natural conclusion to humanity as is..
and we MUST run towards this As soon as possible.. Any ol' thing from space can destroy ALL LIFE as we know it..
if what's important to you is more than a tombstone that says "man was here", then our life must progress beyond this rock and beyond our frail selves.. If we must scourge the surface to do it.. So be it.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sun, 14 December 2014, 23:08:55
Post by: tbc on Sun, 14 December 2014, 23:10:08
With the state of stupidity in our society right now I am not convinced that sort of sarcasm is not taken seriously. Sad day...I heard boneless chicken farms are especially awesome
is this a real thing... i've googled it before, seems not possible.
sarcasm is very much a real thing
http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast-farm (http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast-farm)
At least the beef we were eating until we recently ran out came from a bull who lived in a field behind our house.
What?
I'm talking about growing meat in petri-dishes, You guys want to talk about the state of stupidity in the world?
Fine,
Let me enlighten you then.. EVERYONE is exactly as -smart- as they're supposed to be..
The world is wholly deterministic.. Choices are but the momentary recollection of fallen dominos..
Swill, you live in negligence of reality pretending to be better than those around you, how foolish..
Oh so like one day we will have meat pills that are actually synthetically grown so we no longer have to chew, sounds reasonable.
i would rather die.
are people do lazy they can't be bothered to chew? or is it a modern groupthink where food is 'the enemy'?
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 14 December 2014, 23:20:01
With the state of stupidity in our society right now I am not convinced that sort of sarcasm is not taken seriously. Sad day...I heard boneless chicken farms are especially awesome
is this a real thing... i've googled it before, seems not possible.
sarcasm is very much a real thing
http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast-farm (http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast-farm)
At least the beef we were eating until we recently ran out came from a bull who lived in a field behind our house.
What?
I'm talking about growing meat in petri-dishes, You guys want to talk about the state of stupidity in the world?
Fine,
Let me enlighten you then.. EVERYONE is exactly as -smart- as they're supposed to be..
The world is wholly deterministic.. Choices are but the momentary recollection of fallen dominos..
Swill, you live in negligence of reality pretending to be better than those around you, how foolish..
Oh so like one day we will have meat pills that are actually synthetically grown so we no longer have to chew, sounds reasonable.
i would rather die.
are people do lazy they can't be bothered to chew? or is it a modern groupthink where food is 'the enemy'?
no one said food is the enemy..
food pill is inherently attractive to those who recognize that any and all food serves as fuel.. It is the modern awareness of our biological machine that has taught us this..
Food as it-Was, has many connotations, family, love, unity, poison-detection, nutrition..
As our pursuits and definitions of "those" things change.. as does our desire for what we want OUT OF our food..
For me personally.. I really don't care for food.. I have millions of options to fill my time with.. EATING is the last thing I care about.. If I didn't have to do it, I wouldn't....
Post by: swill on Sun, 14 December 2014, 23:27:54
Swill, you live in negligence of reality pretending to be better than those around you, how foolish..No. I grew up raising everything that provided for me on a self sufficient farm without electricity or running water.
I am baffled by the state of society and how little people actually care. :(
how little people actually care about "what"..
What they put in their bodies. Where their food comes from. What horrible things the animals go through who are feeding them. How much of a natural disaster our farming practices are now days. That monsanto can even exist and do what they do and people just don't care... I find it scary...
Let me clear up some misconceptions for you swill..
First. there is no official oppressor of mankind.. Downward controlling pressure exerted by governments and corporations is a natural organizational phenomenon.
They HAVE TO exist in the way that they do, because if you leave it up to a "vote" nothing would get done..
The entire democratic process is merely an inclination.. One day when each individual transcends being merely human, transcends our very limited capacities (slow information processing speed), then perhaps we'd have the time to poll everything..
Governments and Corporations ARE PEOPLE... they're not the fat mosquitoes sucking the blood of the proletariat..
Now.. the People's health..
Truth is, it doesn't matter that people are dying.. as long as there are replacements.. haha.. this matter is far less sinister than it sounds.. I realize you must think I'm a psychopath for writing that..
We humans are procreative beings.. therein lies our immortality.. Individual health is important yes, but only to the extent that we are Productive throughout our peak physical age..
What happens after age 60, well, if we were playing civ, and they simulated aged units.. most players would probably click delete-unit.. Hahaha...
Even with the modern afflictions of the Murica' diet.. it's enough to get most people working decent till retirement..
Natural disasters:..
We really have not seen any cataclysmic potential as the result of our earthly influence... Sure it may get smoggy and the ozone hole, yea... that's all bad.. but you must see that.. we are to evolve AWAY from being the flesh that cares about such things..
Once we have enough processing power to produce sustaining consciousness.. That is the natural conclusion to humanity as is..
and we MUST run towards this As soon as possible.. Any ol' thing from space can destroy ALL LIFE as we know it..
if what's important to you is more than a tombstone that says "man was here", then our life must progress beyond this rock and beyond our frail selves.. If we must scourge the surface to do it.. So be it.
I guess ignorance is bliss, because you my friend have it in spades... I on the other hand would like to leave a world to my children that I could still be proud of. To that end, I will do what I can and ignore such stupidness...
Post by: tbc on Sun, 14 December 2014, 23:28:03
With the state of stupidity in our society right now I am not convinced that sort of sarcasm is not taken seriously. Sad day...I heard boneless chicken farms are especially awesome
is this a real thing... i've googled it before, seems not possible.
sarcasm is very much a real thing
http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast-farm (http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast-farm)
At least the beef we were eating until we recently ran out came from a bull who lived in a field behind our house.
What?
I'm talking about growing meat in petri-dishes, You guys want to talk about the state of stupidity in the world?
Fine,
Let me enlighten you then.. EVERYONE is exactly as -smart- as they're supposed to be..
The world is wholly deterministic.. Choices are but the momentary recollection of fallen dominos..
Swill, you live in negligence of reality pretending to be better than those around you, how foolish..
Oh so like one day we will have meat pills that are actually synthetically grown so we no longer have to chew, sounds reasonable.
i would rather die.
are people do lazy they can't be bothered to chew? or is it a modern groupthink where food is 'the enemy'?
no one said food is the enemy..
food pill is inherently attractive to those who recognize that any and all food serves as fuel.. It is the modern awareness of our biological machine that has taught us this..
Food as it-Was, has many connotations, family, love, unity, poison-detection, nutrition..
As our pursuits and definitions of "those" things change.. as does our desire for what we want OUT OF our food..
For me personally.. I really don't care for food.. I have millions of options to fill my time with.. EATING is the last thing I care about.. If I didn't have to do it, I wouldn't....
why do you always write so much...
you could have just said lazy
Post by: dustinhxc on Sun, 14 December 2014, 23:31:56
Swill, you live in negligence of reality pretending to be better than those around you, how foolish..No. I grew up raising everything that provided for me on a self sufficient farm without electricity or running water.
I am baffled by the state of society and how little people actually care. :(
how little people actually care about "what"..
What they put in their bodies. Where their food comes from. What horrible things the animals go through who are feeding them. How much of a natural disaster our farming practices are now days. That monsanto can even exist and do what they do and people just don't care... I find it scary...
I hear you there buddy!
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 15 December 2014, 00:31:25
Swill, you live in negligence of reality pretending to be better than those around you, how foolish..No. I grew up raising everything that provided for me on a self sufficient farm without electricity or running water.
I am baffled by the state of society and how little people actually care. :(
how little people actually care about "what"..
What they put in their bodies. Where their food comes from. What horrible things the animals go through who are feeding them. How much of a natural disaster our farming practices are now days. That monsanto can even exist and do what they do and people just don't care... I find it scary...
Let me clear up some misconceptions for you swill..
First. there is no official oppressor of mankind.. Downward controlling pressure exerted by governments and corporations is a natural organizational phenomenon.
They HAVE TO exist in the way that they do, because if you leave it up to a "vote" nothing would get done..
The entire democratic process is merely an inclination.. One day when each individual transcends being merely human, transcends our very limited capacities (slow information processing speed), then perhaps we'd have the time to poll everything..
Governments and Corporations ARE PEOPLE... they're not the fat mosquitoes sucking the blood of the proletariat..
Now.. the People's health..
Truth is, it doesn't matter that people are dying.. as long as there are replacements.. haha.. this matter is far less sinister than it sounds.. I realize you must think I'm a psychopath for writing that..
We humans are procreative beings.. therein lies our immortality.. Individual health is important yes, but only to the extent that we are Productive throughout our peak physical age..
What happens after age 60, well, if we were playing civ, and they simulated aged units.. most players would probably click delete-unit.. Hahaha...
Even with the modern afflictions of the Murica' diet.. it's enough to get most people working decent till retirement..
Natural disasters:..
We really have not seen any cataclysmic potential as the result of our earthly influence... Sure it may get smoggy and the ozone hole, yea... that's all bad.. but you must see that.. we are to evolve AWAY from being the flesh that cares about such things..
Once we have enough processing power to produce sustaining consciousness.. That is the natural conclusion to humanity as is..
and we MUST run towards this As soon as possible.. Any ol' thing from space can destroy ALL LIFE as we know it..
if what's important to you is more than a tombstone that says "man was here", then our life must progress beyond this rock and beyond our frail selves.. If we must scourge the surface to do it.. So be it.
I guess ignorance is bliss, because you my friend have it in spades... I on the other hand would like to leave a world to my children that I could still be proud of. To that end, I will do what I can and ignore such stupidness...
I am only ignorant in the sense that I can not possibly be cognizant of all things.
You're a very narrow thinker and seem perpetually limited by obsolete references..
Leaving a world for you're children.. being proud.. those are emotionally charged memories momentarily lived in retrospect.. and that is ALL that they are..
Once you leave, you have nothing, that includes your children.. be it their death or yours...
Stupid-ness.. Again, i'm not omniscent, but if all you have is name calling.. well, it's not like I expected much possible objection to my concord logic.
TP4 declares Victory... Yet again.. TP4 is great.. (http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/uhuhuh-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862523)
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 15 December 2014, 00:33:06
With the state of stupidity in our society right now I am not convinced that sort of sarcasm is not taken seriously. Sad day...I heard boneless chicken farms are especially awesome
is this a real thing... i've googled it before, seems not possible.
sarcasm is very much a real thing
http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast-farm (http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast-farm)
At least the beef we were eating until we recently ran out came from a bull who lived in a field behind our house.
What?
I'm talking about growing meat in petri-dishes, You guys want to talk about the state of stupidity in the world?
Fine,
Let me enlighten you then.. EVERYONE is exactly as -smart- as they're supposed to be..
The world is wholly deterministic.. Choices are but the momentary recollection of fallen dominos..
Swill, you live in negligence of reality pretending to be better than those around you, how foolish..
Oh so like one day we will have meat pills that are actually synthetically grown so we no longer have to chew, sounds reasonable.
i would rather die.
are people do lazy they can't be bothered to chew? or is it a modern groupthink where food is 'the enemy'?
no one said food is the enemy..
food pill is inherently attractive to those who recognize that any and all food serves as fuel.. It is the modern awareness of our biological machine that has taught us this..
Food as it-Was, has many connotations, family, love, unity, poison-detection, nutrition..
As our pursuits and definitions of "those" things change.. as does our desire for what we want OUT OF our food..
For me personally.. I really don't care for food.. I have millions of options to fill my time with.. EATING is the last thing I care about.. If I didn't have to do it, I wouldn't....
why do you always write so much...
you could have just said lazy
Bro, it just comes out.. If I must explain it, it has to do with the Egdx greatly increasing my 1-ness with the PC.. it takes no time at all for my thoughts to transfer onto the page..
Post by: azhdar on Mon, 15 December 2014, 01:47:16
Food pills have always interested me .
Oh so like one day we will have meat pills that are actually synthetically grown so we no longer have to chew, sounds reasonable.
i would rather die.
are people do lazy they can't be bothered to chew? or is it a modern groupthink where food is 'the enemy'?
Hear me out , I like food a lot , family dinners and thing .
But on a daily basis , when I have little time and eat basic food to keep the body running , I wouldn't mind food pills .
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 15 December 2014, 02:26:39
The caps are probably made from gelatine, which is not vegetarian .... ;)
Being a vegetarian I tend to avoid gelatine unless it is real medicine, I.e. pain killer, antibiotics, etc.
I'm vegetarian, however I'm not super strict about it, I've accepted that I might need to consume gelatine and some other similar products which come from animals, however I refuse to consume any form of meat.
I understand the whole cruelty towards animals and it is one of the reasons why I don't eat any meat, but from my experience, it is very hard to convince a non-vegetarian person of the same, so I don't bother being a part of those arguments. We can't deny the fact that humans were designed to be omnivores, however modern farming practices are so cruel to animals, it's become hard for many to overlook this.
Post by: iri on Mon, 15 December 2014, 03:18:02
But on a daily basis , when I have little time and eat basic food to keep the body running , I wouldn't mind food pills .Location:
Post by: iri on Mon, 15 December 2014, 03:19:50
At least the beef we were eating until we recently ran out came from a bull who lived in a field behind our house.can't resist
I live in Kansas and not the small part with Google fiber.
The weatherman says **** it its Kansas.
It looks like the African Savanna, but without all the cool ****.
The best internet I can get involves a 60ft tower and only gets 300kbps on a good day well its the best I can get without paying $48,0000.
I have to drive 35min just to get gas, not due to traffic, there is no traffic.
On the upside, one day I woke up made a fresh pot of coffee opened the back door and shot a deer.
Post by: azhdar on Mon, 15 December 2014, 03:50:24
Yeah , i imagined I would be trolled about that .But on a daily basis , when I have little time and eat basic food to keep the body running , I wouldn't mind food pills .Location:France
Keep in mind that I'm a young man . So cooking is never on my priorities list , it's a task to me .
Liking eating great food and liking cooking is two seperates things .
Post by: swill on Mon, 15 December 2014, 07:40:59
+1. I still eat meat, but make sure i know where it comes from. We have friends who have an organic family farm and we get all of our meat from them.The caps are probably made from gelatine, which is not vegetarian .... ;)
Being a vegetarian I tend to avoid gelatine unless it is real medicine, I.e. pain killer, antibiotics, etc.
I'm vegetarian, however I'm not super strict about it, I've accepted that I might need to consume gelatine and some other similar products which come from animals, however I refuse to consume any form of meat.
I understand the whole cruelty towards animals and it is one of the reasons why I don't eat any meat, but from my experience, it is very hard to convince a non-vegetarian person of the same, so I don't bother being a part of those arguments. We can't deny the fact that humans were designed to be omnivores, however modern farming practices are so cruel to animals, it's become hard for many to overlook this.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 15 December 2014, 07:44:56
At least the beef we were eating until we recently ran out came from a bull who lived in a field behind our house.can't resistI live in Kansas and not the small part with Google fiber.
The weatherman says **** it its Kansas.
It looks like the African Savanna, but without all the cool ****.
The best internet I can get involves a 60ft tower and only gets 300kbps on a good day well its the best I can get without paying $48,0000.
I have to drive 35min just to get gas, not due to traffic, there is no traffic.
On the upside, one day I woke up made a fresh pot of coffee opened the back door and shot a deer.
We see plenty of deer from our porch as well ;D
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 15 December 2014, 10:33:13
It is so nice to be a carnivore. Not avoiding anything.
Luckily, not everyone thinks selfishly like you.
I am proud to be selfless and help save animals. If everyone thought like you, they'd be extinct.
Eating animals is selfish now? :confused:
Iron is problematic for men
Genuinely curious - how is something vital for human survival deemed problematic for men?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Mon, 15 December 2014, 10:55:36
It is so nice to be a carnivore. Not avoiding anything.
Luckily, not everyone thinks selfishly like you.
I am proud to be selfless and help save animals. If everyone thought like you, they'd be extinct.
Eating animals is selfish now? :confused:
I will never understand vegetarian logic.
So instead of killing and eating living things, you're going to kill and eat other living things?
Plants are living creatures just as much as cows/pigs/chickens are. The only difference is, you feel better about killing them because they aren't sentient.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 15 December 2014, 11:02:06
It is so nice to be a carnivore. Not avoiding anything.
Luckily, not everyone thinks selfishly like you.
I am proud to be selfless and help save animals. If everyone thought like you, they'd be extinct.
Eating animals is selfish now? :confused:
I will never understand vegetarian logic.
So instead of killing and eating living things, you're going to kill and eat other living things?
Plants are living creatures just as much as cows/pigs/chickens are. The only difference is, you feel better about killing them because they aren't sentient.
Yeah. I mean, if you wanna not eat meat, that's cool, I won't judge you. But I expect the same from you.
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Mon, 15 December 2014, 11:05:32
It is so nice to be a carnivore. Not avoiding anything.
Luckily, not everyone thinks selfishly like you.
I am proud to be selfless and help save animals. If everyone thought like you, they'd be extinct.
Eating animals is selfish now? :confused:
I will never understand vegetarian logic.
So instead of killing and eating living things, you're going to kill and eat other living things?
Plants are living creatures just as much as cows/pigs/chickens are. The only difference is, you feel better about killing them because they aren't sentient.
Yeah. I mean, if you wanna not eat meat, that's cool, I won't judge you. But I expect the same from you.
Exactly. Same goes for many other aspects of life, but none worth derailing this thread further to discuss...
Post by: swill on Mon, 15 December 2014, 11:12:52
It is so nice to be a carnivore. Not avoiding anything.
Luckily, not everyone thinks selfishly like you.
I am proud to be selfless and help save animals. If everyone thought like you, they'd be extinct.
Eating animals is selfish now? :confused:
I will never understand vegetarian logic.
So instead of killing and eating living things, you're going to kill and eat other living things?
Plants are living creatures just as much as cows/pigs/chickens are. The only difference is, you feel better about killing them because they aren't sentient.
Not sure its as much the eating of meat as it is contributing to the practices used to raise and produce the meat in the current system. I have nothing against eating meat, I love it. But I do have issues with the way meat is produced nowadays. I think this 'selfish' statement was referring to the disregard for the animal's well being in the process. That is how I understood his statement anyway...
Post by: azhdar on Mon, 15 December 2014, 11:22:07
The way meat is produced nowadays ... Like a lot of modern products , it's produced in large quantity , "the more the best ".It is so nice to be a carnivore. Not avoiding anything.
Luckily, not everyone thinks selfishly like you.
I am proud to be selfless and help save animals. If everyone thought like you, they'd be extinct.
Eating animals is selfish now? :confused:
I will never understand vegetarian logic.
So instead of killing and eating living things, you're going to kill and eat other living things?
Plants are living creatures just as much as cows/pigs/chickens are. The only difference is, you feel better about killing them because they aren't sentient.
Not sure its as much the eating of meat as it is contributing to the practices used to raise and produce the meat in the current system. I have nothing against eating meat, I love it. But I do have issues with the way meat is produced nowadays. I think this 'selfish' statement was referring to the disregard for the animal's well being in the process. That is how I understood his statement anyway...
I can understand people that "doesn't want to hurt animals" . But vegetables are produced the same way that other mordern industrial products , just look up for spanish vegetables thats are growing in plastic .
If for every single product you use , you start to count up how many poor country people died for it to get there or how much pollution it did to get to your place , you go back to live in a cave .
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Mon, 15 December 2014, 11:23:04
Post by: swill on Mon, 15 December 2014, 11:34:21
The way meat is produced nowadays ... Like a lot of modern products , it's produced in large quantity , "the more the best ".It is so nice to be a carnivore. Not avoiding anything.
Luckily, not everyone thinks selfishly like you.
I am proud to be selfless and help save animals. If everyone thought like you, they'd be extinct.
Eating animals is selfish now? :confused:
I will never understand vegetarian logic.
So instead of killing and eating living things, you're going to kill and eat other living things?
Plants are living creatures just as much as cows/pigs/chickens are. The only difference is, you feel better about killing them because they aren't sentient.
Not sure its as much the eating of meat as it is contributing to the practices used to raise and produce the meat in the current system. I have nothing against eating meat, I love it. But I do have issues with the way meat is produced nowadays. I think this 'selfish' statement was referring to the disregard for the animal's well being in the process. That is how I understood his statement anyway...
I can understand people that "doesn't want to hurt animals" . But vegetables are produced the same way that other mordern industrial products , just look up for spanish vegetables thats are growing in plastic .
If for every single product you use , you start to count up how many poor country people died for it to get there or how much pollution it did to get to your place , you go back to live in a cave .
That attitude does not help solve the problem (and yes, it is a problem). Yes, it is a very small gesture for a large problem, but I only buy local organic meat from a farm I know treats their animals decently. I also only buy organic vegetables from a different farming co-op. Yes, it is more expensive than the mass produced stuff. Yes, it is a personal choice which I am making and I have the financial means to make that choice. Yes, I get blasted on here for doing what I can and not just falling in line with the accepted norms. Yes, I try to raise awareness that it is a problem because it is important that people start to pay attention... Is it worth being criticized over. YES! If it was an easy problem it would have already been solved, but that does not absolve us from taking responsibility for your own actions...
Post by: dustinhxc on Mon, 15 December 2014, 11:49:47
It is so nice to be a carnivore. Not avoiding anything.
Luckily, not everyone thinks selfishly like you.
I am proud to be selfless and help save animals. If everyone thought like you, they'd be extinct.
Eating animals is selfish now? :confused:
I will never understand vegetarian logic.
So instead of killing and eating living things, you're going to kill and eat other living things?
Plants are living creatures just as much as cows/pigs/chickens are. The only difference is, you feel better about killing them because they aren't sentient.
Not sure its as much the eating of meat as it is contributing to the practices used to raise and produce the meat in the current system. I have nothing against eating meat, I love it. But I do have issues with the way meat is produced nowadays. I think this 'selfish' statement was referring to the disregard for the animal's well being in the process. That is how I understood his statement anyway...
Exactly, factory farms are cruel.
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Mon, 15 December 2014, 11:52:00
The way meat is produced nowadays ... Like a lot of modern products , it's produced in large quantity , "the more the best ".It is so nice to be a carnivore. Not avoiding anything.
Luckily, not everyone thinks selfishly like you.
I am proud to be selfless and help save animals. If everyone thought like you, they'd be extinct.
Eating animals is selfish now? :confused:
I will never understand vegetarian logic.
So instead of killing and eating living things, you're going to kill and eat other living things?
Plants are living creatures just as much as cows/pigs/chickens are. The only difference is, you feel better about killing them because they aren't sentient.
Not sure its as much the eating of meat as it is contributing to the practices used to raise and produce the meat in the current system. I have nothing against eating meat, I love it. But I do have issues with the way meat is produced nowadays. I think this 'selfish' statement was referring to the disregard for the animal's well being in the process. That is how I understood his statement anyway...
I can understand people that "doesn't want to hurt animals" . But vegetables are produced the same way that other mordern industrial products , just look up for spanish vegetables thats are growing in plastic .
If for every single product you use , you start to count up how many poor country people died for it to get there or how much pollution it did to get to your place , you go back to live in a cave .
That attitude does not help solve the problem (and yes, it is a problem). Yes, it is a very small gesture for a large problem, but I only buy local organic meat from a farm I know treats their animals decently. I also only buy organic vegetables from a different farming co-op. Yes, it is more expensive than the mass produced stuff. Yes, it is a personal choice which I am making and I have the financial means to make that choice. Yes, I get blasted on here for doing what I can and not just falling in line with the accepted norms. Yes, I try to raise awareness that it is a problem because it is important that people start to pay attention... Is it worth being criticized over. YES! If it was an easy problem it would have already been solved, but that does not absolve us from taking responsibility for your own actions...
So what you're saying that is poor people are the problem because they can't afford to boycott the corporate farms, and because of that you feel the need to judge them.
Sounds to me like it's capitalism that's the problem...
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 15 December 2014, 12:16:56
It is so nice to be a carnivore. Not avoiding anything.
Luckily, not everyone thinks selfishly like you.
I am proud to be selfless and help save animals. If everyone thought like you, they'd be extinct.
Eating animals is selfish now? :confused:
I will never understand vegetarian logic.
So instead of killing and eating living things, you're going to kill and eat other living things?
Plants are living creatures just as much as cows/pigs/chickens are. The only difference is, you feel better about killing them because they aren't sentient.
As I said earlier, I don't judge people who eat meat, as I believe humans were meant to be omnivores, however to say that vegetarians are "killing" plants is also false for most cases, this is because most plants rely on consumption by animals to propagate. Eg fruits, there is a reason why the seed is in the center and surrounded by by juicy flesh, it is to attract animals to consume the fruit and in the process excrete or throw away the seed somewhere else to spawn another plant.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 15 December 2014, 12:19:18
Exactly, factory farms are cruel.
I wouldn't disagree with this.
But it seems to be different than your initial statement where you imply that anyone eating an animal at all is selfish...
Luckily, not everyone thinks selfishly like you.
I am proud to be selfless and help save animals. If everyone thought like you, they'd be extinct.
If factory farms are your issue, please don't assume that anyone who eats meat supports these farms.
And even if they did, people have various reasons to do so and not everyone can afford to avoid them.
Post by: swill on Mon, 15 December 2014, 12:19:36
The way meat is produced nowadays ... Like a lot of modern products , it's produced in large quantity , "the more the best ".It is so nice to be a carnivore. Not avoiding anything.
Luckily, not everyone thinks selfishly like you.
I am proud to be selfless and help save animals. If everyone thought like you, they'd be extinct.
Eating animals is selfish now? :confused:
I will never understand vegetarian logic.
So instead of killing and eating living things, you're going to kill and eat other living things?
Plants are living creatures just as much as cows/pigs/chickens are. The only difference is, you feel better about killing them because they aren't sentient.
Not sure its as much the eating of meat as it is contributing to the practices used to raise and produce the meat in the current system. I have nothing against eating meat, I love it. But I do have issues with the way meat is produced nowadays. I think this 'selfish' statement was referring to the disregard for the animal's well being in the process. That is how I understood his statement anyway...
I can understand people that "doesn't want to hurt animals" . But vegetables are produced the same way that other mordern industrial products , just look up for spanish vegetables thats are growing in plastic .
If for every single product you use , you start to count up how many poor country people died for it to get there or how much pollution it did to get to your place , you go back to live in a cave .
That attitude does not help solve the problem (and yes, it is a problem). Yes, it is a very small gesture for a large problem, but I only buy local organic meat from a farm I know treats their animals decently. I also only buy organic vegetables from a different farming co-op. Yes, it is more expensive than the mass produced stuff. Yes, it is a personal choice which I am making and I have the financial means to make that choice. Yes, I get blasted on here for doing what I can and not just falling in line with the accepted norms. Yes, I try to raise awareness that it is a problem because it is important that people start to pay attention... Is it worth being criticized over. YES! If it was an easy problem it would have already been solved, but that does not absolve us from taking responsibility for your own actions...
So what you're saying that is poor people are the problem because they can't afford to boycott the corporate farms, and because of that you feel the need to judge them.
Sounds to me like it's capitalism that's the problem...
That is not what I said. Yes, I have the luxury of changing my personal consumption. I recognize that not everyone is in the same position and I hold no judgment towards them. I do think that respecting your food regardless of what you have is something that everyone can do.
I have not always been in this position. I grew up very poor. I had 4 older sisters and I ended up wearing girls clothes because that is what we had for hand me downs and we could not afford to buy me boys clothes.
I paid for everything I own since I was 14. When paying my way through university I was quite literally a starving student. I lived on $50/month for food for an extended period of time. To be honest, I probably eat better in that time period than I ever have. I eat very little meat because I could not afford it. I bought cheese (one of my favorite things at the time) once every couple months and it WAS my luxury.
I don't think that capitalism has helped the problem. The only reason Monsanto can exist is because of capitalism and the excessive amounts of money put into lobbying. Is that something I can change on my own? No. Does that mean I have to turn a blind eye? No...
Post by: azhdar on Mon, 15 December 2014, 12:20:51
Hey , I'm with you on that , both my parents family are farmers . 80% of what we eat at home is organic and family made .The way meat is produced nowadays ... Like a lot of modern products , it's produced in large quantity , "the more the best ".It is so nice to be a carnivore. Not avoiding anything.
Luckily, not everyone thinks selfishly like you.
I am proud to be selfless and help save animals. If everyone thought like you, they'd be extinct.
Eating animals is selfish now? :confused:
I will never understand vegetarian logic.
So instead of killing and eating living things, you're going to kill and eat other living things?
Plants are living creatures just as much as cows/pigs/chickens are. The only difference is, you feel better about killing them because they aren't sentient.
Not sure its as much the eating of meat as it is contributing to the practices used to raise and produce the meat in the current system. I have nothing against eating meat, I love it. But I do have issues with the way meat is produced nowadays. I think this 'selfish' statement was referring to the disregard for the animal's well being in the process. That is how I understood his statement anyway...
I can understand people that "doesn't want to hurt animals" . But vegetables are produced the same way that other mordern industrial products , just look up for spanish vegetables thats are growing in plastic .
If for every single product you use , you start to count up how many poor country people died for it to get there or how much pollution it did to get to your place , you go back to live in a cave .
That attitude does not help solve the problem (and yes, it is a problem). Yes, it is a very small gesture for a large problem, but I only buy local organic meat from a farm I know treats their animals decently. I also only buy organic vegetables from a different farming co-op. Yes, it is more expensive than the mass produced stuff. Yes, it is a personal choice which I am making and I have the financial means to make that choice. Yes, I get blasted on here for doing what I can and not just falling in line with the accepted norms. Yes, I try to raise awareness that it is a problem because it is important that people start to pay attention... Is it worth being criticized over. YES! If it was an easy problem it would have already been solved, but that does not absolve us from taking responsibility for your own actions...
But when you're not around or want to buy something your family can't produce you gotta do with it .
I just find it dumb to be a vegan to fight against industrial meat when 90% of what surround you is industrial and tainted with poor country blood .
I've work in non-meats food industries (walnuts and goat cheese) and even if it happened in a developped country (france ) , methods were sometimes doubtful and farmers were ripped-off .
I got your point on the small gesture Swill .
As much as dustinhxc seems to be an overall great guy around here , his comment was so arrogant.
It is so nice to be a carnivore. Not avoiding anything.
Luckily, not everyone thinks selfishly like you.
I am proud to be selfless and help save animals. If everyone thought like you, they'd be extinct.
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Mon, 15 December 2014, 12:26:02
Pills, vegetarianism, death to capitalism...
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 15 December 2014, 12:28:41
I don't think that capitalism has helped the problem. The only reason Monsanto can exist is because of capitalism and the excessive amounts of money put into lobbying.
Lobbying is not part of capitalism, FYI.
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Mon, 15 December 2014, 12:31:39
I don't think that capitalism has helped the problem. The only reason Monsanto can exist is because of capitalism and the excessive amounts of money put into lobbying.
Lobbying is not part of capitalism, FYI.
Not directly, but it is a result of a government built on a capitalist economy.
Post by: swill on Mon, 15 December 2014, 12:33:58
I don't think that capitalism has helped the problem. The only reason Monsanto can exist is because of capitalism and the excessive amounts of money put into lobbying.
Lobbying is not part of capitalism, FYI.
I guess that depends on what type of capitalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crony_capitalism) we feel is actually in play...
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Mon, 15 December 2014, 12:35:51
I don't think that capitalism has helped the problem. The only reason Monsanto can exist is because of capitalism and the excessive amounts of money put into lobbying.
Lobbying is not part of capitalism, FYI.
I guess that depends on what type of capitalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crony_capitalism) we feel is actually in play...
Seems accurate...
EDIT: That corruptions perceptions map looks a little off to me though...
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 15 December 2014, 12:45:21
I don't think that capitalism has helped the problem. The only reason Monsanto can exist is because of capitalism and the excessive amounts of money put into lobbying.
Lobbying is not part of capitalism, FYI.
I guess that depends on what type of capitalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crony_capitalism) we feel is actually in play...
Seems accurate...
This is exactly the problem. But it's a very important distinction. Most people are totally okay with capitalism. Crony capitalism, on the other hand, is what most people object to.
So if Swill is referring to crony capitalism, then I agree with him.
Post by: iri on Mon, 15 December 2014, 12:54:19
Don't worry, I don't eat animals. I only eat people. Selflessly.It is so nice to be a carnivore. Not avoiding anything.
Luckily, not everyone thinks selfishly like you.
I am proud to be selfless and help save animals. If everyone thought like you, they'd be extinct.
Post by: Lurch on Mon, 15 December 2014, 12:58:31
Don't worry, I don't eat animals. I only eat people.It is so nice to be a carnivore. Not avoiding anything.
Luckily, not everyone thinks selfishly like you.
I am proud to be selfless and help save animals. If everyone thought like you, they'd be extinct.
Now this is truly a sound plan to save the planet! Humans; the new beef!
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 15 December 2014, 13:01:04
I don't think that capitalism has helped the problem. The only reason Monsanto can exist is because of capitalism and the excessive amounts of money put into lobbying.
Lobbying is not part of capitalism, FYI.
I guess that depends on what type of capitalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crony_capitalism) we feel is actually in play...
Seems accurate...
This is exactly the problem. But it's a very important distinction. Most people are totally okay with capitalism. Crony capitalism, on the other hand, is what most people object to.
So if Swill is referring to crony capitalism, then I agree with him.
You guys are stuck in this loop that FORCES reality into tight definitions that could not possibly be encompassing.
Money is most fundamentally a measure of the flow of desires..
The structure is what it is at any moment.
At the moment you snapshot and analyze it.. many people make the shortcut of dissecting the components too radically, and taking their behaviors as independent variables..
When lots of money flow into Monsanto.. How does that happen.. well.. PEOPLE DESIRE FOOD.. more so, they desire it at EVER LOWERING COSTS...
Monsanto is the representative of those desires and it exists because it fills them..
On the surface, you might see them bludgeoning classical virtuous values.. but that is NOT what's happening.
They are the sum of the little bits of greed in EACH OF US. the little bit of craving for more after we each take a bite..
Monsanto is not a monster.. it's just the representative.. THE MONSTER is not any one of us, it's ALL OF US...
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 15 December 2014, 13:02:37
Don't worry, I don't eat animals. I only eat people.It is so nice to be a carnivore. Not avoiding anything.
Luckily, not everyone thinks selfishly like you.
I am proud to be selfless and help save animals. If everyone thought like you, they'd be extinct.
Now this is truly a sound plan to save the planet! Humans; the new beef!
I was bleeding this one time.. and I licked the cut.. it tastes no bueno..
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Mon, 15 December 2014, 13:04:18
I don't think that capitalism has helped the problem. The only reason Monsanto can exist is because of capitalism and the excessive amounts of money put into lobbying.
Lobbying is not part of capitalism, FYI.
I guess that depends on what type of capitalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crony_capitalism) we feel is actually in play...
Seems accurate...
This is exactly the problem. But it's a very important distinction. Most people are totally okay with capitalism. Crony capitalism, on the other hand, is what most people object to.
So if Swill is referring to crony capitalism, then I agree with him.
You guys are stuck in this loop that FORCES reality into tight definitions that could not possibly be encompassing.
Money is most fundamentally a measure of the flow of desires..
The structure is what it is at any moment.
At the moment you snapshot and analyze it.. many people make the shortcut of dissecting the components too radically, and taking their behaviors as independent variables..
When lots of money flow into Monsanto.. How does that happen.. well.. PEOPLE DESIRE FOOD.. more so, they desire it at EVER LOWERING COSTS...
Monsanto is the representative of those desires and it exists because it fills them..
On the surface, you might see them bludgeoning classical virtuous values.. but that is NOT what's happening.
They are the sum of the little bits of greed in EACH OF US. the little bit of craving for more after we each take a bite..
Monsanto is not a monster.. it's just the representative.. THE MONSTER is not any one of us, it's ALL OF US...
As little as I understood the whole of your explanation, I think I understand it's principle...
DEATH TO MONETARY SYSTEMS!
Don't worry, I don't eat animals. I only eat people.It is so nice to be a carnivore. Not avoiding anything.
Luckily, not everyone thinks selfishly like you.
I am proud to be selfless and help save animals. If everyone thought like you, they'd be extinct.
Now this is truly a sound plan to save the planet! Humans; the new beef!
I was bleeding this one time.. and I licked the cut.. it tastes no bueno..
That's cuz you weren't thoroughly cooked...
Post by: heedpantsnow on Mon, 15 December 2014, 13:08:16
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 15 December 2014, 13:11:53
taking away pen and paper won't stop people from eating .. and wanting more than they need..
You really want to solve humanity's problems.. Study physics and build a transcendence mechanism such that we may leave these silly quarrels of flesh..
That or a doomsday device to kill us all.. Either one would work..
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Mon, 15 December 2014, 13:15:32
The monetary system is just tabulation..
taking away pen and paper won't stop people from eating .. and wanting more than they need..
You really want to solve humanity's problems.. Study physics and build a transcendence mechanism such that we may leave these silly quarrels of flesh..
That or a doomsday device to kill us all.. Either one would work..
Replicators, and anti-matter reactors.
The former to solve problem #1, the latter to solve both.
It might take us another 500 years, but eventually there won't be a need for a monetary system...
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 15 December 2014, 13:18:06
The monetary system is just tabulation..
taking away pen and paper won't stop people from eating .. and wanting more than they need..
You really want to solve humanity's problems.. Study physics and build a transcendence mechanism such that we may leave these silly quarrels of flesh..
That or a doomsday device to kill us all.. Either one would work..
Replicators, and anti-matter reactors.
The former to solve problem #1, the latter to solve both.
I realize that on the internet.. the default solution to all problems is startrek.. As much as i love the notion..
replicators and antimatter reactors are based on impossible payoff mechanisms.. they could not possibly occur within the same existence frame as those who need them..
That is to say.. By the time we actually have the ability to "build" those things.. We probably wouldn't need them, because our current problems would've been solved long ago.
Post by: iri on Mon, 15 December 2014, 15:35:41
geekhack starts to look like a russian forum.