Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 30 March 2015, 13:49:48
Post by: Joey Quinn on Mon, 30 March 2015, 13:51:04
Post by: slickmamba on Mon, 30 March 2015, 13:51:54
Post by: Lastpilot on Mon, 30 March 2015, 13:53:25
Post by: exitfire401 on Mon, 30 March 2015, 13:53:55
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 30 March 2015, 13:54:07
Post by: Halverson on Mon, 30 March 2015, 13:54:26
Post by: VesperSAINT on Mon, 30 March 2015, 13:54:34
Post by: Halverson on Mon, 30 March 2015, 13:55:16
A-profile and F-profile?? No, thanks. :)
FTFY :p
Post by: jonathanyu on Mon, 30 March 2015, 13:55:55
I really like this though, I am in
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 30 March 2015, 13:57:23
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Mon, 30 March 2015, 13:59:19
Post by: billnye on Mon, 30 March 2015, 13:59:49
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 30 March 2015, 14:01:46
Of course the set will have scoops, for whatever reason GMK keeps putting those bar style on the mock ups.
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 30 March 2015, 14:19:19
I'm with jd on not having hybrid profiles.
The Enter key on the num pad looks ****y and I'm not keen on return over Enter. That and they should match legends IMO.
A 60% symmetry option would be nice and it's only two more keys (or one if you do Esc).
The function row should match most traditional sets and have F5-F8 legends be cyan.
The Spanish isn't my favorite, but it's not a deal breaker, it just doesn't look as clean.
Lastly, any thought of "making it dusky" and mixing black and dark grey or doing the dark grey? I think that would also work better with the inverted CMYK mods, but either looks great.
Post by: taylordcraig on Mon, 30 March 2015, 14:22:04
Scoops are tight.
Post by: radio_killah on Mon, 30 March 2015, 14:22:26
My comments though:
- Not a fan of the spanish accents.
- Unsure of the profile, I think it should be the same as the Dolch you did
- Blank windowed keys seem unnecessary, they are fine on caps lock, num luck, scroll lock only
- Not sure but I see 1800 support, which is nice
- Love the semi HHKB support
Post by: sethk_ on Mon, 30 March 2015, 14:28:50
Post by: Karura on Mon, 30 March 2015, 14:38:29
Two things:
THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING 1800 MODS! I LOVE YOU FOR THAT!
Could we please get windowed caps/scroll/num lock keys as an option?
I'm just envisioning a PERFECT TX1800 (Black case) with Cyan LEDs and Magenta LEDs, and I wish to also have the windowed padprint keycaps to top it off, to show off the LEDs.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 30 March 2015, 14:39:23
Lastly, any thought of "making it dusky" and mixing blank and dark grey or doing the dark grey? I think that would also work better with the inverted CMYK mods, but either looks great.
^ +1
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 30 March 2015, 14:41:15
I'm in, though I'm not a huge fan of the vertical Enter legend.
Nor am I, hence the statement that it's ****y.
Post by: Karura on Mon, 30 March 2015, 14:43:33
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 30 March 2015, 14:44:45
I'm in, though I'm not a huge fan of the vertical Enter legend.
Nor am I, hence the statement that it's ****y.
Woops, I skipped that line while speed-reading your response. :cool:
Basically, I agree with nubs. :P
Post by: inanis on Mon, 30 March 2015, 14:47:03
Post by: ShardZer0 on Mon, 30 March 2015, 15:14:07
Edit: that vertical enter is not my thing, hope you can change that...
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 30 March 2015, 15:14:11
Post by: random_rockets on Mon, 30 March 2015, 15:19:01
Post by: Blackehart on Mon, 30 March 2015, 15:24:28
That numpad enter looks tacky as f***, imo.
Post by: pichu23 on Mon, 30 March 2015, 15:28:05
Post by: LXXXIX on Mon, 30 March 2015, 15:29:41
As a native Floridian I respect the legends, and I think you should run it.
By any chance would you be able to include the same pink and green into a spacebar? Maybe 1 of each would? Pweety pwese? :-*
Post by: cryptowillem on Mon, 30 March 2015, 15:39:02
Consider me interested. I'll follow this project closely.
Post by: naasfu on Mon, 30 March 2015, 15:44:48
Sorry, but I'm not too knowledgeable about old school profiles. What are the reasons for the differing profiles for on the top row? I've seen Ivan's previous comments about GMK not having Prt/Scroll/Break legends in F profile (I think this is what he was saying, please correct me if I'm wrong), but why not do the Esc/F* row in E profile? Is it for the aesthetics of having a raised top row, with the tradeoff that they don't match the right side? And I'm guessing that the reason for A profile on the bottom is to mimic old school Cherry boards? Personally I don't think I'll mind the varying profiles too much, and I'm mostly curious about the reasoning.
Anyways, I'm definitely in for everything. This looks awesome. :) Thanks, Ivan!
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 30 March 2015, 16:26:29
Post by: Liar on Mon, 30 March 2015, 17:04:53
I had debated purchasing a Miami set before - now, I am glad I waited
Post by: tjweir on Mon, 30 March 2015, 17:17:43
Not picky about the legend colour.
Pls bro, pls.
Post by: Latin00032 on Mon, 30 March 2015, 17:21:47
My only concern is if you have too many add-on packs. Most people will aim for the "base" set that includes most keys needed for most common keyboards.
People are going to be hard pressed to add one or two more kits.
Post by: strict on Mon, 30 March 2015, 17:26:29
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 30 March 2015, 17:47:43
I would really like to get these done since A and F profile is not very common and difficult to find, and I am not getting a TA set because I don't like the faux yellowing colorway.
I like the vertical numpad Enter legend... this is what it looks like in real
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp349/lysol8086/dac62fbe.jpg~original)
Otherwise if everyone seriously hates it then it would become 'Invio' to go along with the Spanish doubleshot legends on the rest of the numblock.
I really would like to keep the Spanish on there, I think it goes along with being 'Miami' for one, plus it may add some appeal from our international users. It is one of the most widely spoken language on the planet after all. Plus it adds very little cost vs adding in additional language keys which no one wants for cost reasons.
Same goes for adding in keys for this and that... it will increase the cost and most people won't want that. As it stands the price should be pretty close to $100 while still offering some nice extras for certain use cases.
There will be no add on packs for this set. The minipacks are stand alones and don't really have anything to do with the full set... unless you want to add a C M Y spacebar but that is a low cost thing.
I'm not trying to be stubborn and shoot down feedback here, mostly just explaining my rational.
Post by: Lastpilot on Mon, 30 March 2015, 18:01:53
1. A normal 'E' key
2. Normal numpad Enter
3. Prt Sc, Scroll Lock, Break on R0
4. Having seen the dolch add-on set in person, Cyan on
With that being said, I am still on this buy with or without changes.
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 30 March 2015, 18:02:09
I'm not a fan of mixed profiles. I've dive what you suggested in the past and it feels horrible.
Still think vertical enter looks awful. Invio, IMO, is just as bad since there's no consistency with the Enter keys. Plus you are now mixing and matching English and Spanish legends. Spanish side printed legends works be better if you have to have them.
And with adding a symmetry key, it's a marginal cost for one cap and more people would be impacted than HHKB layout keys (and I love that layout). Keys like that mage mite sense to me than blank windowed keys.
With that being said, I am still on this buy with or without changes. Having seen the dolch add-on set in person, Cyan on CR is probably one of my favorite combos. <3
Dolch is N9 mods and CC alphas I believe, not CR. I'm a huge fan of that color, it's why I asked about a "ducky" version or doing N9 over CR on the CMY set.
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 30 March 2015, 18:11:10
It seems there are always assurances that it's "really no big deal" or "not an issue" when it obviously is a huge issue to some people. Others just won't say anything, because they are afraid to rock the boat, so the few of us who speak up have to represent all those others who won't.
Post by: Lastpilot on Mon, 30 March 2015, 18:14:38
Dolch is N9 mods and CC alphas I believe, not CR. I'm a huge fan of that color, it's why I asked about a "ducky" version or doing N9 over CR on the CMY set.
Oh damn, well then count N9 as one of my suggestions! Probably a long shot but who knows. :]
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 30 March 2015, 18:20:18
Post by: pasph on Mon, 30 March 2015, 18:26:39
Post by: Lastpilot on Mon, 30 March 2015, 18:27:28
Post by: Karura on Mon, 30 March 2015, 18:27:49
That said, I plan to do a hybrid winkey/winkeyless layout, and I would like the chance to match the profiles of both 1.5 and 1.25 if possible
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=66448.0;attach=88026;image)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 30 March 2015, 18:30:44
I respect that you want to make this A profile since it hasn't been done yet (other than TA), but have you considered adding the respective B profile caps to give a complete set of B profile bottom row for 1.25 mods? It would add a bit to the cost, but would avoid fragmenting buyers. I know I'm a proponent of not adding a ton of caps, but if one "mission" of the set is to make A profile, I think it would make sense to at least consider adding the necessary caps to make B profile work as well.+1
Hoff manages to say things without sounding like an ass. :)
Post by: strict on Mon, 30 March 2015, 18:36:14
I respect that you want to make this A profile since it hasn't been done yet (other than TA), but have you considered adding the respective B profile caps to give a complete set of B profile bottom row for 1.25 mods? It would add a bit to the cost, but would avoid fragmenting buyers. I know I'm a proponent of not adding a ton of caps, but if one "mission" of the set is to make A profile, I think it would make sense to at least consider adding the necessary caps to make B profile work as well.+1
Hoff manages to say things without sounding like an ass. :)
I like this idea, even if it adds a little to the price I think its worth it to having matching profiles.
Post by: naasfu on Mon, 30 March 2015, 19:02:19
Damn, the mockups made it look like cyan on dark grey (N9), and I thought it made perfect sense since you made the add-on pack yourself. I didn't realize it would be pure black. Now I'm not sure I'll be buying this... :-X :-\
I would also love to have this keyset on dark grey rather than black. Black feels so harsh, and I love love the dark grey for Dolch. Plus we could then use this set to mix and match with Dolch. :)
I respect that you want to make this A profile since it hasn't been done yet (other than TA), but have you considered adding the respective B profile caps to give a complete set of B profile bottom row for 1.25 mods? It would add a bit to the cost, but would avoid fragmenting buyers. I know I'm a proponent of not adding a ton of caps, but if one "mission" of the set is to make A profile, I think it would make sense to at least consider adding the necessary caps to make B profile work as well.+1
Hoff manages to say things without sounding like an ass. :)
I like this idea, even if it adds a little to the price I think its worth it to having matching profiles.
I would be fine with added cost to get matching profiles. But would the people who dislike mismatched bottom row profile be okay with the different profiles for the top row?
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 30 March 2015, 19:48:08
Personally, I like the black better. Sherry already did charred orange on dark grey.Damn, the mockups made it look like cyan on dark grey (N9), and I thought it made perfect sense since you made the add-on pack yourself. I didn't realize it would be pure black. Now I'm not sure I'll be buying this... :-X :-\
I would also love to have this keyset on dark grey rather than black. Black feels so harsh, and I love love the dark grey for Dolch. Plus we could then use this set to mix and match with Dolch. :)I respect that you want to make this A profile since it hasn't been done yet (other than TA), but have you considered adding the respective B profile caps to give a complete set of B profile bottom row for 1.25 mods? It would add a bit to the cost, but would avoid fragmenting buyers. I know I'm a proponent of not adding a ton of caps, but if one "mission" of the set is to make A profile, I think it would make sense to at least consider adding the necessary caps to make B profile work as well.+1
Hoff manages to say things without sounding like an ass. :)
I like this idea, even if it adds a little to the price I think its worth it to having matching profiles.
I would be fine with added cost to get matching profiles. But would the people who dislike mismatched bottom row profile be okay with the different profiles for the top row?
And no, I'm not okay with the mismatched profiles for the F-row, either.
Post by: avtar on Mon, 30 March 2015, 19:57:43
Post by: bueller on Mon, 30 March 2015, 20:31:46
I would probably buy 2 or 3 of the patch kits though.
Post by: Joey Quinn on Mon, 30 March 2015, 20:35:41
Post by: bueller on Mon, 30 March 2015, 20:39:19
I'll just throw this out there, I like the spanish legends and don't mind the mixed profiles.For me I just think it's crazy to negatively affect the winkey users so that winkeyless can have A profile. They're a small minority and yet the set is being tailored to their needs rather going with what works best for the majority. Never a great idea for MOQ.
Post by: Sygaldry on Mon, 30 March 2015, 20:41:30
Also need more keyboards to put this on...
Post by: taylordcraig on Mon, 30 March 2015, 20:45:02
Not a huge fan of spanish legends but don't mind the side stuff.
I would appreciate a regular E like was suggested.
Vertical enter is like w/e. Idc.
Post by: 3Love on Mon, 30 March 2015, 20:45:28
Post by: duzeyao on Mon, 30 March 2015, 23:00:21
Post by: retrochick on Mon, 30 March 2015, 23:26:06
Also to be offered will be a white/black patch kit. I intend to keep that as small and low cost as is possible while offering the most 'essential' keys that are often missing in the correct sizes from scavenged G80/G81 sets to outfit other keyboards.
There will also be spacebars of course in pairs of 6.25 and 7 in black, cyan, magenta and yellow.
In it for this alone. Will probably buy one of each. Would be great to get some 1.25 blanks/osx/tux keycaps for those of us who don't use Windows. Can't wait Ivan!
Post by: shower_king on Tue, 31 March 2015, 00:34:19
2, i worry that the R0 or F Profile may impede people to meet the MOQ. IF we put the R0 into mock up or extras, and add the R1 into basic set. it would be better
3,my own question is when this group would start? as you know , the TA, Hyper fuse, obivelli, red alert, classic beige, they all meet and come togather, my wallet need recover..
4，as for the color, cyan and magenta manifest a bit darker than yellow and blue and red. Let't make the legend yellow ,blue and red which make legends more striking in contrast to the black
Post by: quochung1989 on Tue, 31 March 2015, 01:12:54
Post by: Jokrik on Tue, 31 March 2015, 01:26:12
Honestly man I'm probably going to give this a miss. Just not a fan of the colorway or the mixed profiles and Spanish legends. I can appreciate that you want to try different things but IMO when it comes to GMK simpler is always better, straying too far from the normal just causes trouble with MOQ.+1
I would probably buy 2 or 3 of the patch kits though.
Its not that it's not beautiful, but I find the font color to be confusing
Need a bit more simplicity in it
Post by: Ouro on Tue, 31 March 2015, 06:40:52
Post by: heedpantsnow on Tue, 31 March 2015, 07:20:07
Post by: JaccoW on Tue, 31 March 2015, 08:57:06
While I was planning to build a board with that exact colour scheme in LEDs, it is an 1800 board so some of the profiles won't match. (Correct me if I'm wrong)
(http://i.imgur.com/gooTNXSl.png)
But I'm still tempted. ;)
Other than that:
- Still prefer Legends + text
- That Numpad Enter key = No. Dolch Color pack Enter is Sexiest
(http://i.imgur.com/KbULGgnl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/KbULGgn)
+ €uro
+ Contrast coloured side legends
+ Caps Lock Control key :thumb:
+ 1800 support in both Shift and + key :thumb:
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Tue, 31 March 2015, 09:05:31
Post by: villainocity on Tue, 31 March 2015, 09:07:28
Post by: MAR82 on Tue, 31 March 2015, 09:44:09
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 31 March 2015, 12:20:53
I think it will probably not be too bad cost wise to add extra set of cursor and numpad 0, . , enter in B profile and one extra Esc in E profile for 60% and etc. Would it be enough to make most people happy? I want to avoid adding much extra so the price remains lower. There isn't anything I can do about the print/scroll/pause as those aren't available in F profile. There are the blanks that could be used instead for those that need uniform height across the row.
Another thought... I could make the base set A profile only, and use the CMYK v2 to take care of the B profile by adding in a cursor set.
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 31 March 2015, 12:28:17
There is support for winkeyless 1800 only, there isn't any 1x modifier for it's winkey version. There would be no profile issues on 1800 winkeyless... just taller F keys, and another reason why E profile print/scroll/pause is not a bad thing being same as the other nav block key.
I think it will probably not be too bad cost wise to add extra set of cursor and numpad 0, . , enter in B profile and one extra Esc in E profile for 60% and etc. Would it be enough to make most people happy? I want to avoid adding much extra so the price remains lower. There isn't anything I can do about the print/scroll/pause as those aren't available in F profile. There are the blanks that could be used instead for those that need uniform height across the row.
Another thought... I could make the base set A profile only, and use the CMYK v2 to take care of the B profile by adding in a cursor set.
If the base set included F-profile blanks (windowed blank for scroll lock?) with front printed legends for Prt Sc / Scr Lk / Pause, that would be better in my opinion. Along with A-profile-only bottom row. Then add the missing B-profile stuff to the CMYK compatibility kit, and you are golden.
Post by: geniekid on Tue, 31 March 2015, 12:39:30
Post by: Battou62 on Tue, 31 March 2015, 12:45:04
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 31 March 2015, 12:57:02
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 31 March 2015, 13:41:37
So, I suppose what I'm saying is, I personally will never buy a GMK set that doesn't include standard B-B-C-D-E-E in the base kit. Sorry. Mixed profiles are not for me. Maybe you can get 250 orders from people who just don't care, or will use them exclusively with 84/86 layouts, or 60%. I'm not in that group.
Post by: geniekid on Tue, 31 March 2015, 14:00:53
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 31 March 2015, 14:25:45
Damn GMK and their inability to make 1.25x A-profile keys. *angry fist*There's probably a reason why they abandoned those in favor of B-profile for the modern standard. Otherwise, they would BE the standard still.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 31 March 2015, 14:30:35
Damn GMK and their inability to make 1.25x A-profile keys. *angry fist*There's probably a reason why they abandoned those in favor of B-profile for the modern standard. Otherwise, they would BE the standard still.
That's not really a solid argument to say B is better than A. :P Many changes like this in most industries are to cut costs, not due to actual improvement. ;)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 31 March 2015, 14:46:25
You can look at it like this though... removing the B profile keys from the full set will make it cheaper, and if you were likely to buy the CMYK v2 kit as well anyway you will still be saving money.
The biggest problem I have with interest check, and why I don't like them is I don't really know what the majority wants/needs. Always only end up with a small amount of VERY outspoken people with a particular opinion and I have no clue how valid that is in a broader sense.
Post by: 3Love on Tue, 31 March 2015, 14:46:36
Post by: JaccoW on Tue, 31 March 2015, 15:31:57
Only whoever was in charge of that decision at Cherry back in 1990's would know... for whatever reason they decided not to make 1.25 in A profile. While GMK probably does have the capability to create the new tooling, it would be quite expensive.Prime example: Midnight SA (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52684.0) which had more votes for DCS.
You can look at it like this though... removing the B profile keys from the full set will make it cheaper, and if you were likely to buy the CMYK v2 kit as well anyway you will still be saving money.
The biggest problem I have with interest check, and why I don't like them is I don't really know what the majority wants/needs. Always only end up with a small amount of VERY outspoken people with a particular opinion and I have no clue how valid that is in a broader sense.
Post by: findingthelimit on Tue, 31 March 2015, 16:05:14
On another note, I'm interested depending on cost, so personally it all boils down to timing. I'm interested in both of these, but I would also really like to get in on classic beige, and maybe mira if I can sell off some stuff. When will you be launching the GB?
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 31 March 2015, 16:13:49
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 31 March 2015, 16:18:12
Post by: geniekid on Tue, 31 March 2015, 16:19:17
The biggest problem I have with interest check, and why I don't like them is I don't really know what the majority wants/needs. Always only end up with a small amount of VERY outspoken people with a particular opinion and I have no clue how valid that is in a broader sense.
Follow your gut! You've run enough GBs that you probably have a better picture of the market than most :)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 31 March 2015, 16:19:48
I think you shuold just put it in the GB forum. if there is something you have to change in the that would push people to submitting orders you will hear people speak out and be more vocal. It's almost as if you're tailoring to the GH elders by posting it in IC, and i doubt that's what you want.
Huh? How is an interest check tailored toward GH elders? It's purpose has always been a part of the group buy process, to gauge interest before proceeding with a group buy, taking orders and collecting funds. If there is not enough interest, there is no point in moving forward.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Tue, 31 March 2015, 16:27:55
I think you shuold just put it in the GB forum. if there is something you have to change in the that would push people to submitting orders you will hear people speak out and be more vocal. It's almost as if you're tailoring to the GH elders by posting it in IC, and i doubt that's what you want.
On another note, I'm interested depending on cost, so personally it all boils down to timing. I'm interested in both of these, but I would also really like to get in on classic beige, and maybe mira if I can sell off some stuff. When will you be launching the GB?
Lol there are sooo many others going on right now. Running an IC and hashing all this out now is the right way to do it.
Post by: retainerbox on Tue, 31 March 2015, 17:38:49
Post by: blighty on Tue, 31 March 2015, 17:44:45
I think the set would look more aesthetically (legend-wise) pleasing with all of the Spanish symbols side printed and standard US ANSI legends on top (including having Delete and Insert spelled out completely instead of Del and Ins.
As for the profile I suppose one could get used to height difference:
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Bottom row has R4 control cap next to R5 arrows.
Post by: bueller on Tue, 31 March 2015, 20:59:39
Post by: xixihaha2008 on Tue, 31 March 2015, 21:38:57
Post by: Taunty on Tue, 31 March 2015, 22:28:17
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 31 March 2015, 22:41:55
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 31 March 2015, 23:49:24
I can think of a few layouts where the R0 function keys could be a pain (Lightsavers for example), but to me a keyboard layout is already very asymmetrical and I would dig it.
JD, the Hack'd By Geeks have a R4 arrow cluster yet an R3 bottom row (I know that's SA not cherry). Is the profile different on cherry that bad? Genuine question as you said you know lots of people don't like it and I have personally never had the chance.
Post by: Wilba on Wed, 01 April 2015, 01:08:54
The biggest problem I have with interest check, and why I don't like them is I don't really know what the majority wants/needs. Always only end up with a small amount of VERY outspoken people with a particular opinion and I have no clue how valid that is in a broader sense.
And being a relative newbie, I don't want to offend you (or others) by speaking my mind, so I tend to keep quiet. But here's my perspective on this, from someone NOT outspoken.
I don't really like the colours, but I can understand why others do. It kind of comes across as a set that would be great to combine with keys from Miami, or with other GMK keycaps, cyan colour packs, original Cherry keycaps, etc. But for a newbie with no other sets yet, it's just a bit boring for my taste. Maybe if there were two keycap colours, not just legends, that might be more interesting. I mean, I like (and bought) GMK Hyperfuse, which has cyan and purple, so it's not that I don't like the colours, they're just not popping for me on the black.
The spanish legends: They add interest, but I'm not "wow" over it. I don't like the front printing in a different colour. It's not that it's different, it's that it's swapping with the two main colours, and the legend colour is no longer the delimiter between alphas and mods.
Numpad Enter: Eww.
Row Profiles: Bothers me. Probably not as much as JD, but still... it comes across as catering to the winkeyless crowd and ignoring people with modern stock keyboards. If GMK doesn't make 1.25U keys in R5 profile then deal with it in the most sensible fashion and use R4 profile for all bottom row keys. I just don't get the reasoning behind it... authenticity with vintage Cherry? matching row profile with vintage Cherry? Why is the R5 profile so special that the majority (let's face it, the majority of buyers will be winkey TKLs and 100%s) must have mismatched bottom row profiles? It's a bit condescending to say that people with modern ANSI keyboards don't care about mismatched row profiles. "Oh there's a break between right control and arrow cluster" is not an argument I agree with.
Likewise, why use R0 for the function keys, but not Print, Scroll Lock and Break? Why are they "Print" and "Break" instead of the standard legends?
Mismatching row profiles became a point of discussion (and argument?) in the Triumph Adler GB... and IMHO you can't say a set is "compatible" with modern ANSI layouts (ones with 1.25U mods) if the bottom row has mismatched profiles. Therefore, this set is as "compatible" with modern ANSI as it is with the 1800 layout, or the Lightsaver. There may be keys with the right size and legend to fit the keyboard, but if it doesn't match the profile of adjacent keys, so it's only partially "compatible".
Post by: Latin00032 on Wed, 01 April 2015, 05:53:42
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 01 April 2015, 06:22:16
If this goes through I will be picking it up 100% and look forward to being able to mix and match it with Miami Twice and maybe down the line GMK Miami if/when that ever happens!
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 01 April 2015, 08:44:17
I think you shuold just put it in the GB forum. if there is something you have to change in the that would push people to submitting orders you will hear people speak out and be more vocal.
This is literally the point of an interest check. To gauge interest and hash out details that will ensure a successful group buy. There should (barring anything unforeseen) be no changes made to a set once it reaches group buy status. This is the time to be vocal.
It's almost as if you're tailoring to the GH elders by posting it in IC, and i doubt that's what you want.
Anyone is free to voice opinions and concerns here; I'm not sure how this is tailoring to the elders.
Post by: cooldiscretion on Wed, 01 April 2015, 09:08:28
EDIT: This will be double plus good in orwellian
Post by: Prankk on Wed, 01 April 2015, 09:24:27
Post by: Dee1 on Wed, 01 April 2015, 10:34:45
Post by: monotagary on Wed, 01 April 2015, 10:43:05
That being said, I think the A and F profile keys should just be replaced with B and E profiles. The A and F are great for people who really want to be super authentic to vintage Cherry boards, but that alienates a lot of people who just want to use these sets on their modern boards. I just think that the best way to ensure this will hit MoQ is to shape the set in a way that appeals to the greatest number of people. (no **** :p ) And I just feel like mismatched profiles will alienate people that might otherwise be interested in the set.
Also a different numpad enter legend would be tight. :))
Post by: padath on Wed, 01 April 2015, 10:55:27
I use a GB layout ISO board so I would obviously prefer GB rather than ES side-printing but the ES layout users would disagree. I'm beginning to wish that I had gone for ANSI boards right from the start because it's really hard to get international key layouts in the lovely GMK keycaps.
Do you have any stats on how many groupbuy participants use international layouts? I wonder whether we could have a poll or something.
One possible solution might be to pair up these GMK group buys with DCS international layout patch kits. That's what I have done with my GMK Dolch - I use a few DCS Dolch keys with GB legends. The only annoyance is that the legends aren't Cherry.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 01 April 2015, 10:59:01
Post by: ideus on Wed, 01 April 2015, 11:11:54
I use a GB layout ISO board so I would obviously prefer GB rather than ES side-printing but the ES layout users would disagree. I'm beginning to wish that I had gone for ANSI boards right from the start because it's really hard to get international key layouts in the lovely GMK keycaps.
Do you have any stats on how many groupbuy participants use international layouts? I wonder whether we could have a poll or something.
My two cents on the international legends thing: I write in English, Spanish and French using International US layout; that means, you could write any special Latin character using a standard ANSI layout with AltGr; considering this, Spanish legends following the ISO standard are not useful.
I wonder what is the reasoning behind the use of some Spanish legends pad printed; otherwise, a poll may come handy to know the type and position of alternate characters to cover the wider spectrum of potential international buyers.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Wed, 01 April 2015, 12:33:49
I use a GB layout ISO board so I would obviously prefer GB rather than ES side-printing but the ES layout users would disagree. I'm beginning to wish that I had gone for ANSI boards right from the start because it's really hard to get international key layouts in the lovely GMK keycaps.
Do you have any stats on how many groupbuy participants use international layouts? I wonder whether we could have a poll or something.
My two cents on the international legends thing: I write in English, Spanish and French using International US layout; that means, you could write any special Latin character using a standard ANSI layout with AltGr; considering this, Spanish legends following the ISO standard are not useful.
I wonder what is the reasoning behind the use of some Spanish legends pad printed; otherwise, a poll may come handy to know the type and position of alternate characters to cover the wider spectrum of potential international buyers.
The Spanish is because people in Miami speak Spanish, no? It's just fitting the theme of Miami. If there are some errors in the layout I'm sure Ivan would correct them to make it functional.
Post by: bazh on Wed, 01 April 2015, 12:48:09
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 01 April 2015, 12:54:21
Not sure whether I like the colourway but that's a personal opinion and I'm quite boring with my preferences.
I use a GB layout ISO board so I would obviously prefer GB rather than ES side-printing but the ES layout users would disagree. I'm beginning to wish that I had gone for ANSI boards right from the start because it's really hard to get international key layouts in the lovely GMK keycaps.
Do you have any stats on how many groupbuy participants use international layouts? I wonder whether we could have a poll or something.
One possible solution might be to pair up these GMK group buys with DCS international layout patch kits. That's what I have done with my GMK Dolch - I use a few DCS Dolch keys with GB legends. The only annoyance is that the legends aren't Cherry.
As someone who also uses ISO its not a big deal and more and more sets are giving UK mods... that said the Spanish legends are because of the theme... in the past when ivan has tried to make language mods/extensions people have fought and argued over which are more important etc etc...
imo in this case Spanish legends make perfect sense and enhance the set
Post by: ideus on Wed, 01 April 2015, 13:14:42
Not sure whether I like the colourway but that's a personal opinion and I'm quite boring with my preferences.
I use a GB layout ISO board so I would obviously prefer GB rather than ES side-printing but the ES layout users would disagree. I'm beginning to wish that I had gone for ANSI boards right from the start because it's really hard to get international key layouts in the lovely GMK keycaps.
Do you have any stats on how many groupbuy participants use international layouts? I wonder whether we could have a poll or something.
One possible solution might be to pair up these GMK group buys with DCS international layout patch kits. That's what I have done with my GMK Dolch - I use a few DCS Dolch keys with GB legends. The only annoyance is that the legends aren't Cherry.
As someone who also uses ISO its not a big deal and more and more sets are giving UK mods... that said the Spanish legends are because of the theme... in the past when ivan has tried to make language mods/extensions people have fought and argued over which are more important etc etc...
imo in this case Spanish legends make perfect sense and enhance the set
Perfect sense from what perspective?. I write in Spanish, but these legends will be of no help. If the main reason is to get something unique aesthetics wise is OK; but, to make them useful, it does not make any sense to narrow the choices to Spanish.
Post by: JaccoW on Wed, 01 April 2015, 13:40:38
It fits a theme.Perfect sense from what perspective?. I write in Spanish, but these legends will be of no help. If the main reason is to get something unique aesthetics wise is OK; but, to make them useful, it does not make any sense to narrow the choices to Spanish.Not sure whether I like the colourway but that's a personal opinion and I'm quite boring with my preferences.
I use a GB layout ISO board so I would obviously prefer GB rather than ES side-printing but the ES layout users would disagree. I'm beginning to wish that I had gone for ANSI boards right from the start because it's really hard to get international key layouts in the lovely GMK keycaps.
Do you have any stats on how many groupbuy participants use international layouts? I wonder whether we could have a poll or something.
One possible solution might be to pair up these GMK group buys with DCS international layout patch kits. That's what I have done with my GMK Dolch - I use a few DCS Dolch keys with GB legends. The only annoyance is that the legends aren't Cherry.
As someone who also uses ISO its not a big deal and more and more sets are giving UK mods... that said the Spanish legends are because of the theme... in the past when ivan has tried to make language mods/extensions people have fought and argued over which are more important etc etc...
imo in this case Spanish legends make perfect sense and enhance the set
I would argue not that many people around here buy Cyrillic because they speak Russian, Hangul or Japanese fonts. And who around here can read the fictional Star Wars language Aurebesh (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50935.0)?
If the main doubleshot legends are all standard ANSI QWERTY this should not be an issue at all from a usability perspective. Side print is cool people. ;)
EDIT: Sod it Ivan you have my vote. This set is growing on me.
Post by: monotagary on Wed, 01 April 2015, 13:43:32
It fits a theme.Perfect sense from what perspective?. I write in Spanish, but these legends will be of no help. If the main reason is to get something unique aesthetics wise is OK; but, to make them useful, it does not make any sense to narrow the choices to Spanish.Not sure whether I like the colourway but that's a personal opinion and I'm quite boring with my preferences.
I use a GB layout ISO board so I would obviously prefer GB rather than ES side-printing but the ES layout users would disagree. I'm beginning to wish that I had gone for ANSI boards right from the start because it's really hard to get international key layouts in the lovely GMK keycaps.
Do you have any stats on how many groupbuy participants use international layouts? I wonder whether we could have a poll or something.
One possible solution might be to pair up these GMK group buys with DCS international layout patch kits. That's what I have done with my GMK Dolch - I use a few DCS Dolch keys with GB legends. The only annoyance is that the legends aren't Cherry.
As someone who also uses ISO its not a big deal and more and more sets are giving UK mods... that said the Spanish legends are because of the theme... in the past when ivan has tried to make language mods/extensions people have fought and argued over which are more important etc etc...
imo in this case Spanish legends make perfect sense and enhance the set
I would argue not that many people around here buy Cyrillic because they speak Russian, Hangul or Japanese fonts. And who around here can read the fictional Star Wars language Aurebesh (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50935.0)?
If the main doubleshot legends are all standard ANSI QWERTY this should not be an issue at all from a usability perspective. Side print is cool people. ;)
I definitely agreeing with everything here. The Spanish side-print legends may not serve most people any real functional purpose, but they fit the Miami theme.
And to be honest they look really friggin' cool.
Post by: JaccoW on Wed, 01 April 2015, 13:51:52
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/4c863cdc9f9efee9da70794dad87cb6a/tumblr_n90q8tBOJg1sxduo6o6_400.jpg)[...]I definitely agreeing with everything here. The Spanish side-print legends may not serve most people any real functional purpose, but they fit the Miami theme.
It fits a theme.
I would argue not that many people around here buy Cyrillic because they speak Russian, Hangul or Japanese fonts. And who around here can read the fictional Star Wars language Aurebesh (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50935.0)?
If the main doubleshot legends are all standard ANSI QWERTY this should not be an issue at all from a usability perspective. Side print is cool people. ;)
And to be honest they look really friggin' cool.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 01 April 2015, 13:56:34
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 01 April 2015, 13:59:34
Spanish legends are for the shake of aesthetics, and they rock. Let get this done Ivan; but now, the question is if it would be a GH's GB, or if it would go the MD route?
Why does everyone think massdrop is some sort of GMK group buy deity all of a sudden?
Post by: ideus on Wed, 01 April 2015, 14:01:41
Spanish legends are for the shake of aesthetics, and they rock. Let get this done Ivan; but now, the question is if it would be a GH's GB, or if it would go the MD route?
Why does everyone think massdrop is some sort of GMK group buy deity all of a sudden?
By all means it is not such thing, but it has proven to help the numbers. By the way, I am still waiting for a sixty case to be delivered after a month it was shipped from MD; therefore, I do not have any reason to think MD is such a good option.
Post by: Sygaldry on Wed, 01 April 2015, 14:04:31
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 01 April 2015, 14:25:43
It fits a theme.Perfect sense from what perspective?. I write in Spanish, but these legends will be of no help. If the main reason is to get something unique aesthetics wise is OK; but, to make them useful, it does not make any sense to narrow the choices to Spanish.Not sure whether I like the colourway but that's a personal opinion and I'm quite boring with my preferences.
I use a GB layout ISO board so I would obviously prefer GB rather than ES side-printing but the ES layout users would disagree. I'm beginning to wish that I had gone for ANSI boards right from the start because it's really hard to get international key layouts in the lovely GMK keycaps.
Do you have any stats on how many groupbuy participants use international layouts? I wonder whether we could have a poll or something.
One possible solution might be to pair up these GMK group buys with DCS international layout patch kits. That's what I have done with my GMK Dolch - I use a few DCS Dolch keys with GB legends. The only annoyance is that the legends aren't Cherry.
As someone who also uses ISO its not a big deal and more and more sets are giving UK mods... that said the Spanish legends are because of the theme... in the past when ivan has tried to make language mods/extensions people have fought and argued over which are more important etc etc...
imo in this case Spanish legends make perfect sense and enhance the set
I would argue not that many people around here buy Cyrillic because they speak Russian, Hangul or Japanese fonts. And who around here can read the fictional Star Wars language Aurebesh (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50935.0)?
If the main doubleshot legends are all standard ANSI QWERTY this should not be an issue at all from a usability perspective. Side print is cool people. ;)
I definitely agreeing with everything here. The Spanish side-print legends may not serve most people any real functional purpose, but they fit the Miami theme.
And to be honest they look really friggin' cool.
pretty much, it's like the shades caps on the winkey's of the original Miami set, they look cool as **** but don't serve much purpose... and as GMK can't do ball **** like that, Spanish legends is about as deep as it can do... though I think I would prefer a push for Russian for the Hotline Miami theme haha but it's all good
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 01 April 2015, 15:21:48
Interest check can be useful if I can get some idea of consensus while ignoring the fringe opinion. So right now I am reading consensus as the numpad enter legend needs to be changed, most people aren't keen on mixed profile, and most people seem to be positive or indifferent to Spanish sublegends. This is useful as I can see what I can change to help get more buyers to ensure MOQ. What I would like to know though now... to fix the mixed profile issue, would it be best to cut all the B profile and make the set cheaper and rely on the CMYK v2 kit for B profile 1.25 layouts... or add more keys to the full set accommodate that where it will be more expensive?
Things that won't change are going to be the colorway. I would also not be looking to add any keys really as I really want to avoid inflating the cost which is the primary thing that can keep people away from GMK buys.
I don't see how running the CMYK v2 and the white/black patch kit concurrently will be bad. Those are stand alone things, and since a lot of the legends and the base color is all going to be the same it might be possible to get some price breaks since they may not need to do as much set up work... but I will have to see what I can negotiate.
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 01 April 2015, 15:28:27
to fix the mixed profile issue, would it be best to cut all the B profile and make the set cheaper and rely on the CMYK v2 kit for B profile 1.25 layouts... or add more keys to the full set accommodate that where it will be more expensive?
Cut the A and F profile and make it standard B-B-C-D-E-E. That would have the broadest support toward MOQ. How many people really WANT the other profiles? Not many, I wouldn't think.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 01 April 2015, 15:59:32
OK... sure, some people have a preference and that is fine. I would REALLY prefer to offer the options and let the user decide what to use than making the decision for them. Lets say for arguments sake... cutting B profile from the main kit results in a $20 price reduction. Adding duplicates of keys in B profile results in a $20 increase. In my theoretical scenario lets also say the CMYK v2 pack is $20 which would solve most of the B profile complaint.
So now... for those that are going to buy both they will be saving $20 by not having key duplication. For those that wouldn't have planned on buying both there is no cost change with the possible inconvenience of being forced to buy another kit. For those that don't care about 1.25, or B profile they save $20. I think that is good all around, and we get to have something different which to me is a good thing too.
As far as the three keys of print/scroll/pause being different... those are little used keys by most. It should be much less impact than with the bottom row. Also, as I mentioned before if it really bothers someone they could use the blank keys instead.
I think F profile is even better on boards where the function row is right on top of the numrow like with most 75%, or boards like the lightsaver or redscarf. You have a feel reference just like the differences on any of the other rows instead of sliding over the top of the number key. Each row is distinctly different which can be really nice.
Post by: strict on Wed, 01 April 2015, 16:15:34
Cut the A and F profile and make it standard B-B-C-D-E-E. That would have the broadest support toward MOQ. How many people really WANT the other profiles? Not many, I wouldn't think.
+1
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 01 April 2015, 16:22:47
How many people don't want it just because they haven't used it and simply fear things that aren't the same as always? Why do people want essentially the same kit over and over in slightly different colors only?
If I'm going to drop $100+ for a set of keycaps, I don't want to guess if I will like how they look/feel on my keyboard(s). People want the same kit because it is the standard, and fits most keyboards and layouts.
I think it's great that you are willing to include both options, where some organizers refuse even to do that, though the number of keys needed would be small, and their group buy is large, as to make the cost difference negligible to the buyer. However, the STANDARD profile should be in the base kit, not in an optional kit.
Post by: geniekid on Wed, 01 April 2015, 16:40:46
Each row is distinctly different which can be really nice.
A lot of people would be fine with A and F profiles if you could offer them in full sets. It's the mixing people don't like. So I think cutting A and F altogether will give you the greatest chance of meeting MOQ (though I would personally get it no matter what).
Post by: eyesmiles on Wed, 01 April 2015, 16:53:24
I've always wanted to try more A profile since toying with my Desko set. The part that's hard to stomach is the non matching profile of Print Screen, Scroll Lock, and Pause Break. I understand GMK doesn't have them in F profile, so shifting the Function row down to E profile would work.
To be honest, I was curious if you were going to add the Function row with numbers in circles as those legends started to grow on me. Count me in for a set ... and now for some reason I feel like getting a Cubano.
Post by: NorrisB on Wed, 01 April 2015, 16:58:10
Post by: ideus on Wed, 01 April 2015, 17:28:43
Giving the people the choice of profiles seems to be the best way to go, and allow more people to join with -$20 "savings". Offering the modifiers sets along with the main set is just fine, people may save something in shipping by buying them together.
The innovative approach you are taking is OK; but, as always, it gets some initial resistance. That is a well documented masses behavior, that is even aggravated by group thinking. GH is particularly known by being a place with strong group thinking, leaded mainly by the most vocals of the elders.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 01 April 2015, 17:42:54
How many people don't want it just because they haven't used it and simply fear things that aren't the same as always? Why do people want essentially the same kit over and over in slightly different colors only?
If I'm going to drop $100+ for a set of keycaps, I don't want to guess if I will like how they look/feel on my keyboard(s). People want the same kit because it is the standard, and fits most keyboards and layouts.
I think it's great that you are willing to include both options, where some organizers refuse even to do that, though the number of keys needed would be small, and their group buy is large, as to make the cost difference negligible to the buyer. However, the STANDARD profile should be in the base kit, not in an optional kit.
+1, the base set should be standard.
Post by: NorrisB on Wed, 01 April 2015, 18:47:47
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 01 April 2015, 18:53:00
i like this set
Holy mother of god I want that set
So your saying you want this?
Post by: FoC_Tow on Wed, 01 April 2015, 19:01:43
I agree with most of the common concerns like the nonstandard profiles and vertical enter,
but I really do like the Spanish (or any for that matter) side prints and how F5 to F8 are not in the modifier color scheme as usual. :)
Post by: shower_king on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:02:51
Meanwhile , i also agree with your opinion on using some new and originative profiles such as R0 ..however , considering the failure of 85|15. how to meet the MOQ is the major question. As you know, lots people don't like to adapt to new layout or new things, just since they get used to the old ones.
The above suggestions i have put forward was just for how to make this group meet the MOQ and make the dream come true..
Post by: taylordcraig on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:07:06
Spanish legends are for the shake of aesthetics, and they rock. Let get this done Ivan; but now, the question is if it would be a GH's GB, or if it would go the MD route?
Why does everyone think massdrop is some sort of GMK group buy deity all of a sudden?
I think you should know better than anyone.
If you're being sarcastic just to see if random nobodies who are instilling their faith based on here-say have the correct answer, then you should also know better -- they don't know.
Post by: bueller on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:16:57
I don't see how running the CMYK v2 and the white/black patch kit concurrently will be bad. Those are stand alone things, and since a lot of the legends and the base color is all going to be the same it might be possible to get some price breaks since they may not need to do as much set up work... but I will have to see what I can negotiate.
People only have so much money each month. I'd probably be keen to order multiples of both if they weren't running concurrently, as it stands I'll probably only be buying one of each. And I'm not in on Miami Nights, if I was I probably wouldn't be able to afford either.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:20:54
Spanish legends are for the shake of aesthetics, and they rock. Let get this done Ivan; but now, the question is if it would be a GH's GB, or if it would go the MD route?
Why does everyone think massdrop is some sort of GMK group buy deity all of a sudden?
I think you should know better than anyone.
If you're being sarcastic just to see if random nobodies who are instilling their faith based on here-say have the correct answer, then you should also know better -- they don't know.
I think massdrop is a business and they will always be looking out for themselves, at the end of the day the community will lose out in the end if we just trust them to run group buys.
Who's to say massdrop won't convince GMK to stop wasting time with our small community ran group buys and only deal with massdrop?
I'm not supporting them. #tinfoilhatftw #yolo
And this is all off topic for Ivan's IC.
On topic, I'm mostly using topre now so with all the oddities in the set it just isn't for me.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 01 April 2015, 22:01:23
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 01 April 2015, 22:12:29
I didn't know you were mainly TopRe nowSpanish legends are for the shake of aesthetics, and they rock. Let get this done Ivan; but now, the question is if it would be a GH's GB, or if it would go the MD route?
Why does everyone think massdrop is some sort of GMK group buy deity all of a sudden?
I think you should know better than anyone.
If you're being sarcastic just to see if random nobodies who are instilling their faith based on here-say have the correct answer, then you should also know better -- they don't know.
I think massdrop is a business and they will always be looking out for themselves, at the end of the day the community will lose out in the end if we just trust them to run group buys.
Who's to say massdrop won't convince GMK to stop wasting time with our small community ran group buys and only deal with massdrop?
I'm not supporting them. #tinfoilhatftw #yolo
And this is all off topic for Ivan's IC.
On topic, I'm mostly using topre now so with all the oddities in the set it just isn't for me.
Post by: xandr on Thu, 02 April 2015, 02:54:35
Having said that, I kind of feel like the contrast between the legends and the keys might be a bit low on the alphas unless the cyan is significantly brighter than the one used for the legends in the Dolch color addon.
I'm very very interested in the CMYK v2 and the patch kit though. Also black GMK spacebars, eff yeah!
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 02 April 2015, 03:25:39
How many people don't want it just because they haven't used it and simply fear things that aren't the same as always? Why do people want essentially the same kit over and over in slightly different colors only? Sure, different colors are cool and all, but I would rather depart $100+ if there is more to it than that.
OK... sure, some people have a preference and that is fine. I would REALLY prefer to offer the options and let the user decide what to use than making the decision for them. Lets say for arguments sake... cutting B profile from the main kit results in a $20 price reduction. Adding duplicates of keys in B profile results in a $20 increase. In my theoretical scenario lets also say the CMYK v2 pack is $20 which would solve most of the B profile complaint.
So now... for those that are going to buy both they will be saving $20 by not having key duplication. For those that wouldn't have planned on buying both there is no cost change with the possible inconvenience of being forced to buy another kit. For those that don't care about 1.25, or B profile they save $20. I think that is good all around, and we get to have something different which to me is a good thing too.
As far as the three keys of print/scroll/pause being different... those are little used keys by most. It should be much less impact than with the bottom row. Also, as I mentioned before if it really bothers someone they could use the blank keys instead.
I think F profile is even better on boards where the function row is right on top of the numrow like with most 75%, or boards like the lightsaver or redscarf. You have a feel reference just like the differences on any of the other rows instead of sliding over the top of the number key. Each row is distinctly different which can be really nice.
people are scared of change m8, always have been, always will be.
Post by: shower_king on Thu, 02 April 2015, 03:42:24
I'm in for white/black/patch kit and CYMK MODHi ,bro, i will buy CMYK mod for one set, i will pay you for buying one for me? because i couldn't log in Google table ,thank you very much .
Post by: LXXXIX on Thu, 02 April 2015, 09:19:40
Ivan is probably thinking how this GB is going to be manage; but knowing him, he will only disclose it, after careful analysis.
Enough people are complaining that I believe this statement holds truth. :'(
Post by: FoC_Tow on Thu, 02 April 2015, 09:37:26
[waiting for mock up]
There will also be a CMYK v2 set with color legends on black keys. This set will contain 2 sets of shift keys in 1.25, 1.75, 2.25 and 2.75 one set with arrow only, and one set with arrow and shift text in yellow legend. A set of Control keys in both 1.25 and 1.5 in magenta legend. A set of Alt/Alt Gr in both 1.25 and 1.5 in cyan legend. Additionally unlike the first set there will also be Windows and menu keys in 1 and 1.25 sizes and a Fn 1x key with very dark grey legends.
Woah, didn't realize about the CMYK v2 until now... :eek:
Can't wait for the mockup! I imagine the CMYK legends on black keys will look awesome on this set! :thumb:
How many people don't want it just because they haven't used it and simply fear things that aren't the same as always? Why do people want essentially the same kit over and over in slightly different colors only?
If I'm going to drop $100+ for a set of keycaps, I don't want to guess if I will like how they look/feel on my keyboard(s). People want the same kit because it is the standard, and fits most keyboards and layouts.
I think it's great that you are willing to include both options, where some organizers refuse even to do that, though the number of keys needed would be small, and their group buy is large, as to make the cost difference negligible to the buyer. However, the STANDARD profile should be in the base kit, not in an optional kit.
+1, the base set should be standard.
+1, I get the idea behind it and appreciate your effort of trying to create something different and unique,
but it seems most people prefer sticking to standard so I think keeping the base set standard would be best for reaching MOQ I guess.
I never tried A and F profile tho, which is probably the case for many people, so having an option to actually try it would be awesome as well!
It just shouldn't be the standard set I guess unless both options are included which would increase the price...
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 02 April 2015, 09:42:01
Ivan is probably thinking how this GB is going to be manage; but knowing him, he will only disclose it, after careful analysis.
Enough people are complaining that I believe this statement holds truth. :'(
It's not complaining. Those who are speaking up are voicing their opinions. That's what an interest check is for. It helps the organizer get a feel for what would be popular enough to make the MOQ for the buy.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 02 April 2015, 09:48:56
Ivan is probably thinking how this GB is going to be manage; but knowing him, he will only disclose it, after careful analysis.
Enough people are complaining that I believe this statement holds truth. :'(
It's not complaining. Those who are speaking up are voicing their opinions. That's what an interest check is for. It helps the organizer get a feel for what would be popular enough to make the MOQ for the buy.
The IC is to get feedback from the community on the design of the set, in this case; but, Ivan has handle all aspects of his previous GBs, so the question is if he is going to do the same with this one. The comments so far are not complaints but opinions on the design which is exactly the intention of the IC.
Post by: LXXXIX on Thu, 02 April 2015, 10:56:04
Ivan is probably thinking how this GB is going to be manage; but knowing him, he will only disclose it, after careful analysis.
Enough people are complaining that I believe this statement holds truth. :'(
It's not complaining. Those who are speaking up are voicing their opinions. That's what an interest check is for. It helps the organizer get a feel for what would be popular enough to make the MOQ for the buy.
The IC is to get feedback from the community on the design of the set, in this case; but, Ivan has handle all aspects of his previous GBs, so the question is if he is going to do the same with this one. The comments so far are not complaints but opinions on the design which is exactly the intention of the IC.
Very true sorry I didn't word that correctly. It just seems like too many people want to cater to something very specific (ie. Lightsaver) which can keep a GB like this from meeting it's proper MOQ.
I know mixed profiles is not something everyone would be comfortable doing (myself included), but there's still a large number of people with boards that will compliment this set nicely. I hope that we can come to a common ground though and I understand that's what an IC is for.
I just don't want to see Ivan get discouraged. I mean this is his idea and he can start it whenever he wants without catering to everyone.
I don't mean to sound rude. It's just my two cents. Love ya guys! :thumb:
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 02 April 2015, 11:21:16
I know mixed profiles is not something everyone would be comfortable doing (myself included), but there's still a large number of people with boards that will compliment this set nicely.
The thing is, those who wouldn't notice the mixed profiles are the minority. It makes no sense to make the central focus of the set a minority and making the larger majority buy other packs to get the set they can use. Even though I'm thinking about using this set on a winkeyless Leku PCB and wouldn't be affected by the hybrid profiles, I don't think it's fair to force others who would be to buy a secondary set to make the set useable.
I've been very vocal about the changes I think would make this set better, but I'm also outspoken. For example, I still think that N9 would be a far better color than CR for the set. The black will just be too harsh while the N9 dark grey mellows it a little while also making it more mix and match friendly. It's the one I thought would look best when I mocked up CMY on grey modifiers before knowing it was a plan Ivan had.
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 02 April 2015, 12:31:15
What I like:
I really like your approach to bring Miami flavor to a classic black set. I think it looks more elegant than the flashy variant with pink/teal caps.
This might be a color scheme many people could like because it's not too extreme.
I like the spanish sideprinted legends because they add a little extra flavor to the keys.
Features of the most successful GMK GBs:
Hyperfuse and TA have 600+ orders each which shows that they must be doing something right. In my opinion the formula for a GMK GB is to keep it simple and standard.
These sets had:
- standard US ANSI legends with Text + Icon modifiers
- symmetry option for 60% boards
- standard Cherry two tone color scheme with alternating F-Keys etc.
- B-B-C-D-E-E profile (except some keys for TA)
Non-standard aspects of your set:
I respect your wish to produce something new that hasn't been done before, but people will only be willing to make like 1-2 compromises.
In my opinion the following points are a few too many to make 250 people commit to ordering:
- mix of profiles for R0/R5
- text only legends
- inconsistencies concerning the mix of Spanish/US legends (spanish legends on the numpad although all the other Mods have US legends on top, etc.)
- F-keys don't have alternating legend colors
- small details like Ins/Del instead of Insert/Delete, etc.
- the hidious numpad enter key
- ...
Conclusion:
Most people have a limited keyboard budget and can not participate in every GB. If you have limited funds you will only buy sets that match your preferences 99%. The current iteration of this set gives people too many reasons NOT to save money for it! Why make compromises if one could just join the GMK GBs that do things more standard like Hyperfuse, TA or the upcoming classic beige set?
I will order one of everything like I do in all your GMK GBs, but am afraid this set will face the same destiny as the 85/15 set. After the first wave of orders it will stagnate between 100-150 orders...
Suggestion:
I think to make this GB successful you have to concentrate on 1-2 unique features that deviate from the norm and keep the rest standard.
I am not aware of any recent GMK GB that had text only legends so I think this should be the main novelty feature of this set. Add the spanish sideprinted legends for extra flavor and you have a beautiful set!
If you want to produce different profiles you should save that for another set and also offer the B-B-C-D-E-E keys so people can make a choice of their own.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 02 April 2015, 15:54:04
One more thing, it is very important to advertise the IC outside GH; for example, r/MK and DT are natural venues to do it. I just made a quick search at GH, and I found no thread on this set.
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 02 April 2015, 16:02:52
One more thing, it is very important to advertise the IC outside GH; for example, r/MK and DT are natural venues to do it. I just made a quick search at GH, and I found no thread on this set.
woah m8 sick tips for Ivans first GB! :)
Post by: ideus on Thu, 02 April 2015, 16:17:05
One more thing, it is very important to advertise the IC outside GH; for example, r/MK and DT are natural venues to do it. I just made a quick search at GH, and I found no thread on this set.
woah m8 sick tips for Ivans first GB! :)
It is obvious of course, however, there is no reference on the GB at DT yet, that's all. We all know very well that Ivan is an expert GB leader that pioneered GMK buy, and a deep thinker; therefore, if the comment is un-needed HE can just dismiss it; in the other hand the sarcasm is certainly un-neccesary.
Post by: admiralvorian on Thu, 02 April 2015, 16:18:47
the color of the F5-F8 legends should be cyan instead of magenta (or whatever we're calling the legend colors)
also is this double shot or dye sublimated?
Post by: ideus on Thu, 02 April 2015, 16:20:17
my 2c:
the color of the F5-F8 legends should be cyan instead of magenta (or whatever we're calling the legend colors)
also is this double shot or dye sublimated?
Double shot, remember that sublimation is only possible in darker colors on clear color plastics.
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 02 April 2015, 16:35:00
One more thing, it is very important to advertise the IC outside GH; for example, r/MK and DT are natural venues to do it. I just made a quick search at GH, and I found no thread on this set.
woah m8 sick tips for Ivans first GB! :)
It is obvious of course, however, there is no reference on the GB at DT yet, that's all. We all know very well that Ivan is an expert GB leader that pioneered GMK buy, and a deep thinker; therefore, if the comment is un-needed HE can just dismiss it; in the other hand the sarcasm is certainly un-neccesary.
(http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1543/15437676/2769877-1699591829-412f8.jpg)
Post by: shower_king on Thu, 02 April 2015, 20:03:10
my 2c:As i know, only PBT could be sublimated, the GMK's are ABS, and couldn't be sublimated
the color of the F5-F8 legends should be cyan instead of magenta (or whatever we're calling the legend colors)
also is this double shot or dye sublimated?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 02 April 2015, 20:06:43
also is this double shot or dye sublimated?As i know, only PBT could be sublimated, the GMK's are ABS, and couldn't be sublimated
These are double shot. You can sublimate ABS but GMK does doubleshots. And you can doubleshot PBT, but apparently the shrinkage problems make it a PITA.
MoreHere are my 2 cents for this set:
What I like:
I really like your approach to bring Miami flavor to a classic black set. I think it looks more elegant than the flashy variant with pink/teal caps.
This might be a color scheme many people could like because it's not too extreme.
I like the spanish sideprinted legends because they add a little extra flavor to the keys.
Features of the most successful GMK GBs:
Hyperfuse and TA have 600+ orders each which shows that they must be doing something right. In my opinion the formula for a GMK GB is to keep it simple and standard.
These sets had:
- standard US ANSI legends with Text + Icon modifiers
- symmetry option for 60% boards
- standard Cherry two tone color scheme with alternating F-Keys etc.
- B-B-C-D-E-E profile (except some keys for TA)
Non-standard aspects of your set:
I respect your wish to produce something new that hasn't been done before, but people will only be willing to make like 1-2 compromises.
In my opinion the following points are a few too many to make 250 people commit to ordering:
- mix of profiles for R0/R5
- text only legends
- inconsistencies concerning the mix of Spanish/US legends (spanish legends on the numpad although all the other Mods have US legends on top, etc.)
- F-keys don't have alternating legend colors
- small details like Ins/Del instead of Insert/Delete, etc.
- the hidious numpad enter key
- ...
Conclusion:
Most people have a limited keyboard budget and can not participate in every GB. If you have limited funds you will only buy sets that match your preferences 99%. The current iteration of this set gives people too many reasons NOT to save money for it! Why make compromises if one could just join the GMK GBs that do things more standard like Hyperfuse, TA or the upcoming classic beige set?
I will order one of everything like I do in all your GMK GBs, but am afraid this set will face the same destiny as the 85/15 set. After the first wave of orders it will stagnate between 100-150 orders...
Suggestion:
I think to make this GB successful you have to concentrate on 1-2 unique features that deviate from the norm and keep the rest standard.
I am not aware of any recent GMK GB that had text only legends so I think this should be the main novelty feature of this set. Add the spanish sideprinted legends for extra flavor and you have a beautiful set!
If you want to produce different profiles you should save that for another set and also offer the B-B-C-D-E-E keys so people can make a choice of their own.
I completely agree with LechnerDE. It's hard to argue with 600 orders. I know it's fun to try and do something unique and you've got a master plan Ivan but it seems like even a gimme GB like 85|15 failed because the decision making was very heavy handed on your end.
Post by: asgeirtj on Thu, 02 April 2015, 20:55:51
Post by: kekstee on Fri, 03 April 2015, 11:37:18
I just hope you don't hinge every future endeavour on such specialities. Miami colourway (although interesting on black), spanish, the key profile as well as some of the regular legends seem to be quite a stretch again.
Given the ungodly price of GMK sets I can see people opting for... safer alternatives. Still, good luck, but I can't guarantee I feel like spending whatever it will cost on this :/
Post by: avtar on Fri, 03 April 2015, 12:03:11
Post by: Touch_It on Fri, 03 April 2015, 14:42:59
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Fri, 03 April 2015, 14:46:06
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 03 April 2015, 20:07:30
I did these for Bil's buy and they should be color accurate if a little funky looking.
Black (CR) with AE (Green), UN33656 (Magenta), UN6037 (Cyan), CV (Yellow), and 2M (Light Grey) legends:
(http://i.imgur.com/nMQjjDm.png)
More
(http://i.imgur.com/Ccr4K4n.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/ui73nKF.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/ui73nKF.png)
Dolch Grey (N9) with AE (Green), UN33656 (Magenta), UN6037 (Cyan), CV (Yellow), and 2M (Light Grey) legends:
(http://i.imgur.com/EUZAkhY.png)
More
(http://i.imgur.com/V4Zxwvq.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/oo2PoH8.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/oo2PoH8.png)
Personally, I think the Dark Grey color looks better than black.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 03 April 2015, 21:41:35
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 03 April 2015, 22:12:02
Please make this happen soon.........
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 03 April 2015, 22:13:20
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 03 April 2015, 22:14:26
Black is too dark, N9 is better.
+ all of the numbers.
Post by: Sygaldry on Fri, 03 April 2015, 22:14:54
Since the colors are being brought up by more than me, particularly with the mod pack, is there any way N9 can be considered over CR?+1 to this.
I did these for Bil's buy and they should be color accurate if a little funky looking.
Black (CR) with AE (Green), UN33656 (Magenta), UN6037 (Cyan), CV (Yellow), and 2M (Light Grey) legends:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/nMQjjDm.png)MoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ccr4K4n.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ui73nKF.png)
Dolch Grey (N9) with AE (Green), UN33656 (Magenta), UN6037 (Cyan), CV (Yellow), and 2M (Light Grey) legends:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EUZAkhY.png)MoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/V4Zxwvq.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oo2PoH8.png)
Personally, I think the Dark Grey color looks better than black.
Dark Grey looks too good.
(eg: the dark grey rf87u caps look so phenomenal!)
Post by: FoC_Tow on Fri, 03 April 2015, 22:43:49
Black is too dark, N9 is better.
+1 for black, it is just too classic to pass it.
Your just discussing changing the base color right? (mockups had me slightly confused first xD)
It's honestly quite a tuff question and I can see how people prefer something lighter then full black.
However looking at the mockups it seems like black makes the color of legends pop quite a bit more
which are like the main focus of the set, so I guess I would slightly lean towards black honestly...
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 03 April 2015, 22:51:58
This is crappy, but it gives a better idea of cyan on N9
(http://i.imgur.com/AaLq3nV.jpg)
Post by: rsadek on Fri, 03 April 2015, 23:19:17
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Fri, 03 April 2015, 23:23:59
Post by: ideus on Fri, 03 April 2015, 23:59:10
Black is too dark, N9 is better.+1 for black, it is just too classic to pass it.
Your just discussing changing the base color right? (mockups had me slightly confused first xD)
It's honestly quite a tuff question and I can see how people prefer something lighter then full black.
However looking at the mockups it seems like black makes the color of legends pop quite a bit more
which are like the main focus of the set, so I guess I would slightly lean towards black honestly...
The contrast of the bright colors against black makes the set look more crisp; while, a gray background will make the set look a bit blurred.
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 04 April 2015, 00:04:11
(http://i.imgur.com/79fHD5t.jpg)
It's not my photo, but gives you an idea. N9 is a very very dark grey.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 04 April 2015, 00:07:40
Not true at all. The Code keys from the prior space bar and Eac pack buy are Cyan on N9 and look sharp and crisp as hell.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/79fHD5t.jpg)
It's not my photo, but gives you an idea. N9 is a very very dark grey.
Are the light, ISO setting, and white balance well adjusted in this picture? N9 looks closer in real life to the one you posted, previously.
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 04 April 2015, 00:12:48
(http://i.imgur.com/mxrvRSk.jpg)
Post by: ideus on Sat, 04 April 2015, 00:56:43
I actually think my picture is CC and I misspoke. The Code key is N9. Like I said, it's not my picture. I corrected it the best I could and while I have an IPS monitor, it's not calibrated.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mxrvRSk.jpg)
This looks closer to real life.
Post by: retainerbox on Sat, 04 April 2015, 01:45:23
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 04 April 2015, 03:55:47
Seeing as we're all now making a diffrent set, why not have the 'Miami Night' set a proper Miami set, change the pink with real legend mods to purple with teal mods and the rest of the caps a dark blue with pink legends. So it looks like Miami, but the base set of colours are a lot darker while keeping the original colours for the legends.
Post by: kebby on Sat, 04 April 2015, 04:15:13
Post by: kekstee on Sat, 04 April 2015, 09:19:40
I potatophoned the situation to the best of my abilities:
(http://i.imgur.com/cyYKYIhm.jpg) (http://imgur.com/cyYKYIh)
In the end I personally prefer dark grey over black, but I can't really say it's the way to go here, given that it's about Miami and I'm not that likely to buy either way.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 04 April 2015, 09:48:14
While I love the charcoal dark grey of N9 and it feels black when you look at it, it's still quite a bit brighter and softer on the eyes when held next to real black. I'm pretty sure Miami was about poking at your eyes.
I potatophoned the situation to the best of my abilities:
(http://i.imgur.com/cyYKYIhm.jpg) (http://imgur.com/cyYKYIh)
In the end I personally prefer dark grey over black, but I can't really say it's the way to go here, given that it's about Miami and I'm not that likely to buy either way.
Miami nights may turn into Dolch penumbra? :'(
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 04 April 2015, 11:41:58
Post by: ideus on Sat, 04 April 2015, 11:48:42
Post by: sethk_ on Sat, 04 April 2015, 12:05:56
Some wants another round of Dolch, let's call it Dolch penumbra; but, some of us just want a nice business like set, Miami nights, a discrete one, with a touch of style.I agree, it is a classic color, with a little bit of a color splash on it, I like the way it is, and it looks simple, yet still somewhat festive.
Post by: Sed8op8 on Sat, 04 April 2015, 12:29:37
Post by: avtar on Sat, 04 April 2015, 12:34:34
This IC seems to be going a lot like all the other GMK IC's that Ivan ran when GMK was new and he wanted to do cool new stuff that we had never had before... But all anyone ever wanted was the same Dolch sets they already had... And now this IC is going the same way...
The dark grey changes would be along the lines of what Ivan wanted for this group buy https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48798.0 (something that I was hoping would still happen in some shape or form) but with the CMYK addition.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 04 April 2015, 13:01:38
This IC seems to be going a lot like all the other GMK IC's that Ivan ran when GMK was new and he wanted to do cool new stuff that we had never had before... But all anyone ever wanted was the same Dolch sets they already had... And now this IC is going the same way...
The dark grey changes would be along the lines of what Ivan wanted for this group buy https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48798.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48798.0) (something that I was hoping would still happen in some shape or form) but with the CMYK addition.
And at last it reads:
GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set + 'Gamer' add-on {Closed} (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48798.msg1049244#msg1049244)
« Reply #1 on: 2013-09-20, 16:05:05 »
White legends on dark grey Cherry doubleshots. NEW target MOQ 250!
ORDER DEADLINE - 1 April 2014
Groupbuy failed to reach MOQ and is cancelled.
Post by: Sygaldry on Sat, 04 April 2015, 13:06:00
Post by: ideus on Sat, 04 April 2015, 13:09:53
Post by: avtar on Sat, 04 April 2015, 13:12:53
And at last it reads:
Yup I never said it ended up being successful. At the time most people seem to have wanted GMK Dolch which is out of the way now while others found the original price of the base set to be too high. My point was that a dark grey set would look great and even more so with CMYK.
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 04 April 2015, 13:28:58
But I feel other features like the different profiles and choice of legends is more important for the success of this set. People who don't like the profile mix won't join just because the color is suddenly slightly different...
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 04 April 2015, 13:56:59
Numpad enter legend will be changed to the more typical horizontal one, so there is no need to keep banging on about it.
What I am thinking currently...
Strip the main set down to a winkeyless only TKL set which will greatly reduce the cost. The CMYK v2 set can be relied upon to fulfill B profile needs with the addition of arrow keys. Offer a numpad option, in which I was thinking it might be interesting to add extra ABCDEF keys so it could be set up as a hexidecimal pad, or be used for a macro pad or whatever.
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 04 April 2015, 14:08:10
Strip the main set down to a winkeyless only TKL set which will greatly reduce the cost. The CMYK v2 set can be relied upon to fulfill B profile needs with the addition of arrow keys. Offer a numpad option, in which I was thinking it might be interesting to add extra ABCDEF keys so it could be set up as a hexidecimal pad, or be used for a macro pad or whatever.
You know what happens if you split things up with a GMK GB - if you separate the numpad it will never meet MOQ.
Having said that, as a TKL user I'd welcome your idea. A cheaper main set might be easier to push to MOQ :thumb:
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 04 April 2015, 14:14:21
I know the color is a pipedream even though I really only wanted it for the CMYK pack, but catering to a minority and making everyone else pay a fair bit more to get something useable is the best way to kill this in the IC phase.
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 04 April 2015, 14:20:26
Except a winkeyless TKL set is only good for the 30 people with Korean keyboards who might buy the set.
I think you are meant to buy the CMYK kit to get the 1.25 mods for modern stock boards. I think that's a reasonable approach.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 04 April 2015, 14:21:35
CMYK v2 is already going to be here. WHY make the full set more expensive by including what will essentially be duplicates of that kit? For everyone that prefers B profile regardless of which size modifiers they use, it will take care of those needs and there is no call for cost inflation, but for savings instead. How the hell is that a bad idea?
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 04 April 2015, 14:26:33
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 04 April 2015, 14:58:02
Just out of curiosity whats the total cost of lowest possible order (if one person was going to buy all those sets outright)?
Post by: ideus on Sat, 04 April 2015, 15:05:24
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 04 April 2015, 15:09:34
A TKL set woud be fine, but win keyless would rule me out I'm afraid Ivan.
Just out of curiosity whats the total cost of lowest possible order (if one person was going to buy all those sets outright)?
Ivan will offer a CMY on black kit similar to this so you could use the main set on a modern TKL :thumb:
(http://i.imgur.com/XgR2Olgh.jpg)
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 04 April 2015, 17:22:15
A TKL set woud be fine, but win keyless would rule me out I'm afraid Ivan.
Just out of curiosity whats the total cost of lowest possible order (if one person was going to buy all those sets outright)?
Ivan will offer a CMY on black kit similar to this so you could use the main set on a modern TKL :thumb:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XgR2Olgh.jpg)
As a separate GB?
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 04 April 2015, 17:30:13
Just read the OP. Ivan just doesn't have a mockup yet.
Post by: Sed8op8 on Sat, 04 April 2015, 18:32:39
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Sat, 04 April 2015, 19:18:18
Ok that sounds sick as I can't find ANYONE to sell me a CMYW set and I was thinking that it would look great with that.Just so you know, this new set is different than CMWK V1. V2 will be colored text on black caps, so inverse of V1.
Post by: Sed8op8 on Sat, 04 April 2015, 19:59:00
Yes I saw that in an earlier post. Thank you though ghost for the heads up.Ok that sounds sick as I can't find ANYONE to sell me a CMYW set and I was thinking that it would look great with that.Just so you know, this new set is different than CMWK V1. V2 will be colored text on black caps, so inverse of V1.
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sat, 04 April 2015, 20:45:03
Changing the colorway is really not something I would like to do. I think it's going to look fantastic in black. Also, with all kits having a black base color less set up work should be involved with sets also sharing many legends so I might be able to secure some pricing or maybe MOQ breaks on one or more sets.
Numpad enter legend will be changed to the more typical horizontal one, so there is no need to keep banging on about it.
What I am thinking currently...
Strip the main set down to a winkeyless only TKL set which will greatly reduce the cost. The CMYK v2 set can be relied upon to fulfill B profile needs with the addition of arrow keys. Offer a numpad option, in which I was thinking it might be interesting to add extra ABCDEF keys so it could be set up as a hexidecimal pad, or be used for a macro pad or whatever.
Definitely count me in! :thumb:
Love the Black, love the CMYK v2 and also like the idea of cutting it down to a TKL set if it helps reaching MOQ! =)
I still don't really like you have to rely on CMYK v2 for win key support and B profile, but I wouldn't mind it too much honestly.
I just think people would prefer to have the base set cover most needs, and make CMYK v2 more of and add-on then a requirement,
but people who require it can just picture it as one set pretty much I guess...
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 04 April 2015, 22:22:01
What I am thinking currently...
Strip the main set down to a winkeyless only TKL set which will greatly reduce the cost.
DON'T DO THIS, I love your COMPLETE full on 104 key-set with some extras because this makes it a fine Group Buy to fill in about 95% of keyboards available but then reducing it down to ONLY a TKL layout, further reduces it just to save a couple of dollars for the penny pinchers.
When you start trimming a complete key-set down then you wonder why it fails before it grows legs and runs ::) .
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sat, 04 April 2015, 23:22:48
Alright then. I'm out and I'll keep my mouth shut from here on out. I think the set is a good idea, but not the way you want to run it. If it succeeds, congrats, but I'm but seeing it happening.
Sometimes I wonder about the logic of your decisions Ivan. If you already have a set and a master plan, why bother with the IC? Just open up a GB and say "join it or don't". Like how Raindrop 2 and Hack'd by Geeks is. Obviously you're not going to deviate much from your plan.
I really dislike having to buy yet another kit just to get B profile but I've already voiced my opinion. Looking forward to when you just lock this and put out what you want in a GB thread.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 04 April 2015, 23:32:20
Interest check can be useful if I can get some idea of consensus while ignoring the fringe opinion. So right now I am reading consensus as the numpad enter legend needs to be changed, most people aren't keen on mixed profile, and most people seem to be positive or indifferent to Spanish sublegends. This is useful as I can see what I can change to help get more buyers to ensure MOQ. What I would like to know though now... to fix the mixed profile issue, would it be best to cut all the B profile and make the set cheaper and rely on the CMYK v2 kit for B profile 1.25 layouts... or add more keys to the full set accommodate that where it will be more expensive?
Things that won't change are going to be the colorway. I would also not be looking to add any keys really as I really want to avoid inflating the cost which is the primary thing that can keep people away from GMK buys.
The question is how many cases of "fringe opinion" turn to be consensus.
Post by: Joey Quinn on Sun, 05 April 2015, 11:15:32
What I am thinking currently...
Strip the main set down to a winkeyless only TKL set which will greatly reduce the cost.
DON'T DO THIS, I love your COMPLETE full on 104 key-set with some extras because this makes it a fine Group Buy to fill in about 95% of keyboards available but then reducing it down to ONLY a TKL layout, further reduces it just to save a couple of dollars for the penny pinchers.
When you start trimming a complete key-set down then you wonder why it fails before it grows legs and runs ::) .
+1 Keep it a full set.
Post by: argcargv on Sun, 05 April 2015, 12:47:26
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 05 April 2015, 13:21:45
Post by: Latin00032 on Sun, 05 April 2015, 14:22:31
Add-ons don't do as well and make it harder to make the moq.
Examples:
R.O.B. for the nes.
Sega cd
Sega 32x
Etc....
Post by: Danboard on Sun, 05 April 2015, 14:51:21
Post by: strict on Sun, 05 April 2015, 14:57:22
Post by: baldgye on Sun, 05 April 2015, 15:15:59
I say full set.
Add-ons don't do as well and make it harder to make the moq.
Examples:
R.O.B. for the nes.
Sega cd
Sega 32x
Etc....
...WiiFit?
Post by: Latin00032 on Sun, 05 April 2015, 15:24:35
Microsoft even knew it when they came out with the xbox one. (Even though it still kinda didnt work out.)I say full set.
Add-ons don't do as well and make it harder to make the moq.
Examples:
R.O.B. for the nes.
Sega cd
Sega 32x
Etc....
...WiiFit?
They knew they had to "force" the Kinect sensor with the xbox one system to get people to buy it so more games can be made to be compatible with it.
Microsoft originally hit a home-run when the original xbox came with the ethernet port and hard drive compared to the ps2 needing to buy those parts seperately.
(I know this is off topic. I'm done now.)
Post by: baldgye on Sun, 05 April 2015, 15:39:14
Post by: ideus on Sun, 05 April 2015, 17:34:21
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 05 April 2015, 19:38:06
Considering there is a "virtual" waiting line for GMK made key cap sets, what is the estimated time for launch this one?
Chaffing at the bit for this one. Maybe because GMK is now holistically accepted worldwide here on Geekhack and everyone just wants more of it :thumb: .
I like this one being Black coloured (not racially motivated here) but wouldn't mind accepting a darker Grey instead, still all good to me. The main reason to go for a darker grey is that it will still work with an all Black and White standard set off Ebay and you can play with the modifiers and layout of your chosen keyboard.
Bare in mind that this forth coming key-set from Ivan will be highly successful this time simply because we have it in ourselves to believe that any FULL GMK Key-set will be outstanding and unique, even when the years progress towards the future 8) .
Post by: shower_king on Tue, 07 April 2015, 01:02:14
What I am thinking currently...
Strip the main set down to a winkeyless only TKL set which will greatly reduce the cost.
DON'T DO THIS, I love your COMPLETE full on 104 key-set with some extras because this makes it a fine Group Buy to fill in about 95% of keyboards available but then reducing it down to ONLY a TKL layout, further reduces it just to save a couple of dollars for the penny pinchers.
When you start trimming a complete key-set down then you wonder why it fails before it grows legs and runs ::) .
+1 Keep it a full set.
yeah, i also agree with keep it as a full set , no matter how the mix profile will be change or not. i will count in this full ket and its according mod or extras
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 07 April 2015, 11:51:21
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Plus the numpad as an add on would be €14. To get B profile modifiers the CMYK v2 add on would be needed at a cost of €40... which may seem expensive but keep in mind you actually get at least 2-3 sets out of it.
Thoughts?
Post by: Joey Quinn on Tue, 07 April 2015, 11:53:39
Post by: ideus on Tue, 07 April 2015, 12:06:10
Post by: LechnerDE on Tue, 07 April 2015, 12:07:25
Someone who wants to put these keys on a modern TKL will have to buy the CMKYv2 set to get Row 4 mods.
Many people might think "Why invest 127$ into this, if I could get a Hyperfuse set for 115$ or the Triump Adler set for 99$?".
Only the enthusiasts will appreciate all the extra keys you put into these kits.
I am afraid only the CMYKv2 kit will have a chance to hit MOQ.
Post by: LechnerDE on Tue, 07 April 2015, 12:07:50
Do you have a mock-up of the modifiers?
It's in the OP :thumb:
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 07 April 2015, 12:10:09
I am not sure if this will help.
Someone who wants to put these keys on a modern TKL will have to buy the CMKYv2 set to get Row 4 mods.
Many people might think "Why invest 127$ into this, if I could get a Hyperfuse set for 115$ or the Triump Adler set for 99$?".
Only the enthusiasts will appreciate all the extra keys you put into these kits.
I am afraid only the CMYKv2 kit will have a chance to hit MOQ.
My thoughts exactly. It winds up too expensive. I'd prefer a mega-set that was $115-120 over buying a cheap TKL set that needs help.
Post by: billnye on Tue, 07 April 2015, 12:24:41
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 07 April 2015, 12:25:39
If you think about it the pricing is still about the same if you minus off the '2nd set' you get in the CMYK v2 cost and it's still a definite savings to those who would have bought both anyway. For those that only would need the TKL set it's a very good price.
It's not set that is the way it will go. We can just as easily leave it like it is in the OP with the cost of $115.
Since the TA set had mixed profile and got 1000+ orders I am going to go with people don't really give a **** about the mixed profile.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 07 April 2015, 12:25:51
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 07 April 2015, 12:33:02
Since the TA set had mixed profile and got 1000+ orders I am going to go with people don't really give a **** about the mixed profile.
No one has experienced it yet. Wait until it gets into people's hands.
But then again, maybe some people just buy things without thinking about what they are actually getting. Or maybe you're right that they don't care. Who knows?
Post by: ideus on Tue, 07 April 2015, 12:41:54
Post by: LechnerDE on Tue, 07 April 2015, 12:42:28
Well... if we could get 1000+ sets here too it would go down in price due to volume like those sets did. Otherwise it's not a fair comparison.
If you think about it the pricing is still about the same if you minus off the '2nd set' you get in the CMYK v2 cost and it's still a definite savings to those who would have bought both anyway. For those that only would need the TKL set it's a very good price.
It's not set that is the way it will go. We can just as easily leave it like it is in the OP with the cost of $115.
Since the TA set had mixed profile and got 1000+ orders I am going to go with people don't really give a **** about the mixed profile.
Don't get me wrong, I am fine with the price and the keys I would get.
I just wanted to express what an average Joe who wants to buy some nice keys for his QFR might think. And we need his order as well, if we want to hit MOQ...
Post by: FoC_Tow on Tue, 07 April 2015, 12:46:40
Cutting down the cost of the base set to maybe 100 to point where most people don't necessarily have to get CMYK, by for example removing numpad keys, would probably seem like saving money to non-fullsize users at least.
Cutting down the base set to point where people pretty much have to get CMYK for B profile support tho automatically makes people count it towards the price of a full set rather then seeing it as an optional extra set.
Post by: FoC_Tow on Tue, 07 April 2015, 13:06:19
I can see why you would remove R2 - and R3 + as part of the numpad,
but why was R5 0 Ins left in the set while R1 Del, End & Pg Down where removed?
I love how a R2 Del and R1 |\ is included for split backspace layouts, but I would personally even prefer R2 Backspace tbh.
Combined with the R1 1u Del, you could use |\ and Del above Backspace in this case for example!
Also very much love how both the base set and CMYK include a R3 Control! Honestly can't have enough of those... :thumb:
Post by: beccapark on Tue, 07 April 2015, 15:38:39
Could someone clarify the whole profile thing? I spent the past 15 minutes looking around and if I understand correctly, GMK offers two types of bottom row. A-profile (taller), and B-profile (lower). But, they only offer A-profile for the winkeyless arrangement. So, this keyset would have a full matching A-profile bottom row for winkeyless users, and a mismatched A/B-profile bottom row for winkey users (like this picture intelli78 posted in another thread (https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2946/15301853109_1a0cc99c7a_h.jpg))?
Personally, I would be using winkey arrangement, and I love the look of that mismatched bottom row! I think it would look really awesome on a modern board. Also, I can see the higher/more angled A-profile arrow keys being more comfortable for gaming. I guess I don't agree with all the people in this thread that are against it :-[
Post by: LechnerDE on Tue, 07 April 2015, 15:46:46
I've seen some pictures of GMK keycaps and they look really beautiful. I quite like this colour scheme, so I think I'd join this.
Could someone clarify the whole profile thing? I spent the past 15 minutes looking around and if I understand correctly, GMK offers two types of bottom row. A-profile (taller), and B-profile (lower). But, they only offer A-profile for the winkeyless arrangement. So, this keyset would have a full matching A-profile bottom row for winkeyless users, and a mismatched A/B-profile bottom row for winkey users (like this picture intelli78 posted in another thread (https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2946/15301853109_1a0cc99c7a_h.jpg))?
Personally, I would be using winkey arrangement, and I love the look of that mismatched bottom row! I think it would look really awesome on a modern board. Also, I can see the higher/more angled A-profile arrow keys being more comfortable for gaming. I guess I don't agree with all the people in this thread that are against it :-[
Here is a gif made by Intelli to show the height difference of A and B profile - I don't think it's that bad personally.
(http://i.imgur.com/dx38TMj.gif)
If you also buy the CMYKv2 Mod pack you can choose between all A or all B profile for the bottom row. Hope that helps :thumb:
Post by: beccapark on Tue, 07 April 2015, 15:50:07
Thanks LechnerDE! That's how I thought it'd look :)I've seen some pictures of GMK keycaps and they look really beautiful. I quite like this colour scheme, so I think I'd join this.
Could someone clarify the whole profile thing? I spent the past 15 minutes looking around and if I understand correctly, GMK offers two types of bottom row. A-profile (taller), and B-profile (lower). But, they only offer A-profile for the winkeyless arrangement. So, this keyset would have a full matching A-profile bottom row for winkeyless users, and a mismatched A/B-profile bottom row for winkey users (like this picture intelli78 posted in another thread (https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2946/15301853109_1a0cc99c7a_h.jpg))?
Personally, I would be using winkey arrangement, and I love the look of that mismatched bottom row! I think it would look really awesome on a modern board. Also, I can see the higher/more angled A-profile arrow keys being more comfortable for gaming. I guess I don't agree with all the people in this thread that are against it :-[
Here is a gif made by Intelli to show the height difference of A and B profile - I don't think it's that bad personally.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dx38TMj.gif)
If you also buy the CMYKv2 Mod pack you can choose between all A or all B profile for the bottom row. Hope that helps :thumb:
Now I'm sure that I really like the mismatched bottom row! ;D
Post by: monotagary on Tue, 07 April 2015, 15:56:13
I've seen some pictures of GMK keycaps and they look really beautiful. I quite like this colour scheme, so I think I'd join this.
Could someone clarify the whole profile thing? I spent the past 15 minutes looking around and if I understand correctly, GMK offers two types of bottom row. A-profile (taller), and B-profile (lower). But, they only offer A-profile for the winkeyless arrangement. So, this keyset would have a full matching A-profile bottom row for winkeyless users, and a mismatched A/B-profile bottom row for winkey users (like this picture intelli78 posted in another thread (https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2946/15301853109_1a0cc99c7a_h.jpg))?
Personally, I would be using winkey arrangement, and I love the look of that mismatched bottom row! I think it would look really awesome on a modern board. Also, I can see the higher/more angled A-profile arrow keys being more comfortable for gaming. I guess I don't agree with all the people in this thread that are against it :-[
Here is a gif made by Intelli to show the height difference of A and B profile - I don't think it's that bad personally.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dx38TMj.gif)
If you also buy the CMYKv2 Mod pack you can choose between all A or all B profile for the bottom row. Hope that helps :thumb:
I was stuck with mixed profiles for a bit when I was using pieces of a DESKO set. It really is not that bad.
Post by: blighty on Tue, 07 April 2015, 16:02:47
I am going to go with people don't really give a **** about the mixed profile.
It's so rare that I actually laugh out loud at something I read.
Here's a grainy pic of a DCS spacebar (black on left) next to a R5 Control key (beige on right)
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I wonder if the spacebar flipper folks will be flipping their R5 keys... LOL
I think the R5 bottom mods work great on a board with an angle, not so much if you like to have your board lay flat.
The set is growing on me.
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 07 April 2015, 16:16:11
I'd prefer to see you add the 7 R4 1.25 mods to the base kit, or remove the 1.5 mods (and potentially roll them into CMYK V2 as an additional R5 option). From the perspective of someone with a modern TKL, I have to pay an extra $50 or so to get the 7 keys I need to make it work on my board, and that still isn't quite the same set as I get with a winkeyless board. I'm also not sure why 0/ins is still in the base set after the splitting of the numpad. If we're going to split the numpad anyway, is it possible to get two numpad enters, one with the vertical legend and one with the horizontal legend?
I appreciate what you're trying to do here, but it feels like you're catering specifically to the winkeyless TKL users, who aren't enough of a majority to carry a GMK buy to MOQ, particularly not to the larger numbers you're throwing around now.
Post by: Joey Quinn on Tue, 07 April 2015, 16:20:35
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 07 April 2015, 16:29:30
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I feel like someone willing to pay $90 for a set will pay $115. If we just keep the full set everyone gets what they want (forgetting the R4 R5 issue some people have) and there isn't a chance of losing sales because the numpad doesn't meed the MOQ.
I disagree to an extent -- there's a not-insignificant psychological difference between seeing $99.99 and $100.00, and that can be enough for some people. I think part of the reason that TA was so successful was that it snuck in under $100. However, I do agree that someone willing to pay $90 for a set without a numpad would be willing to pay $115 for the set with the numpad, because you never know what's going to happen later on. I don't have any full-size MX boards that I use anymore, but I don't ever begrudge needing to pay the extra cash for numpad keys because I know they bring in orders and make a set possible. I think that with GMK, you need to have the numpad in the base set or risk it not running at all and having all your full size people drop out at the last minute.
Post by: monotagary on Tue, 07 April 2015, 16:35:24
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I feel like someone willing to pay $90 for a set will pay $115. If we just keep the full set everyone gets what they want (forgetting the R4 R5 issue some people have) and there isn't a chance of losing sales because the numpad doesn't meed the MOQ.
I'm feeling the same way about this... I think that most people that use TKLs and 60%'s and etc. would have no problem subsidizing a numpad.
Post by: Joey Quinn on Tue, 07 April 2015, 16:59:31
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I feel like someone willing to pay $90 for a set will pay $115. If we just keep the full set everyone gets what they want (forgetting the R4 R5 issue some people have) and there isn't a chance of losing sales because the numpad doesn't meed the MOQ.
I disagree to an extent -- there's a not-insignificant psychological difference between seeing $99.99 and $100.00, and that can be enough for some people. I think part of the reason that TA was so successful was that it snuck in under $100. However, I do agree that someone willing to pay $90 for a set without a numpad would be willing to pay $115 for the set with the numpad, because you never know what's going to happen later on. I don't have any full-size MX boards that I use anymore, but I don't ever begrudge needing to pay the extra cash for numpad keys because I know they bring in orders and make a set possible. I think that with GMK, you need to have the numpad in the base set or risk it not running at all and having all your full size people drop out at the last minute.
That's what I'm saying. I probably won't use the numpad from this set but I'd like to have it just in case my tastes change.
Post by: Sygaldry on Tue, 07 April 2015, 17:05:32
(kind of weird to have keys to support the 1800 layout without the numpad)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 07 April 2015, 17:14:02
Post by: monotagary on Tue, 07 April 2015, 17:16:15
So I guess more people would prefer to have it as shown in the OP then for $115?
I know that I most definitely would prefer the $115 mockup in the OP.
Post by: Joey Quinn on Tue, 07 April 2015, 17:16:30
Post by: LXXXIX on Tue, 07 April 2015, 18:34:08
So I guess more people would prefer to have it as shown in the OP then for $115?
I know that I most definitely would prefer the $115 mockup in the OP.
/signed ;)
Post by: strict on Tue, 07 April 2015, 19:00:40
Post by: FoC_Tow on Tue, 07 April 2015, 19:04:15
So I guess more people would prefer to have it as shown in the OP then for $115?
Yesh pls! +1 :thumb:
As Joey said,
I probably won't use the numpad from this set but I'd like to have it just in case my tastes change.
Also both bottom row options and 1800 support make the set feel a lot more complete and I don't mind paying the slight extra for that. ;)
Post by: bueller on Tue, 07 April 2015, 19:53:49
Post by: retainerbox on Tue, 07 April 2015, 20:08:18
Any chance of offering the CMY kit as a full mod kit? I'd much prefer to lose the extra shift keys and arrows and have a full set, the Electric Bluegaloo set has all the mods and is only $42 so paying more money for a half kit just doesn't get me excited.
I would love this!
Post by: heedpantsnow on Tue, 07 April 2015, 20:16:50
Post by: heedpantsnow on Tue, 07 April 2015, 20:18:14
So I don't see it in the list but are there 1.25x Fn caps in the CMYKv2 kit? From the pics it looks like there are.
If it does then I say don't change a thing about that kit. Sure, there are keys I don't care about in there, but seems to hit maximum compatibility.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Tue, 07 April 2015, 20:18:46
Post by: Latin00032 on Tue, 07 April 2015, 21:23:38
So I guess more people would prefer to have it as shown in the OP then for $115?I'm liking how it is in the OP.
Post by: hrinfinity on Tue, 07 April 2015, 22:21:37
Although I primarily use TKL, I'm with the others about selling a complete set for $115.
I'm definitely in for the keyset and CMYK v2!
I think I'm a full blown GMK addict now..
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 07 April 2015, 22:55:45
So I guess more people would prefer to have it as shown in the OP then for $115?
I prefer it that way, yea :). My only sticking point is going to be wallet recovery from all the GMK that has been on sale already this year :eek:
Post by: Karura on Wed, 08 April 2015, 00:23:41
Does GMK have 1.25 R0?
I don't mind a full R0 bottom row, but yeah, I'd really prefer to not mix profiles.
Post by: shower_king on Wed, 08 April 2015, 08:31:11
look forward to waiting for a period after TA and hyper fuse
Post by: LechnerDE on Wed, 08 April 2015, 11:19:27
I think that with GMK, you need to have the numpad in the base set or risk it not running at all and having all your full size people drop out at the last minute.
THIS!
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 08 April 2015, 14:30:41
Post by: exitfire401 on Wed, 08 April 2015, 14:32:11
So I guess more people would prefer to have it as shown in the OP then for $115?
This is exactly what I would like to see.
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 08 April 2015, 18:58:10
CMYK v2, will remain a partial mod set. With 2 sets of shifts you can potentially get 2-3 keyboards out of this depending on configurations, and you also get choice of arrow only or arrow and shift so 'everyone' can be happy. So for example if you have an 87/104 ANSI key and a 101 ANSI key you could hit both... or if you had an ISO 88/105, and an ISO 102 or 105 1800 you could hit both and etc, etc. I hope that makes some more sense now?
Loving your extra CMYK as well BUT I have one question for you Ivan how can these keys be seen at night when typing in front of an lcd only lit space?
So far from your key-set colour-way the ONLY colour that will be easily seen is the beautiful YELLOW on BLACK which is perfect, but the other colours like Blue, Purple/red and Grey will be nearly invisible. Are you worried that most won't be able to see these legends in sub-lighted rooms?
Had to mention this because some people like to type at night and not during the day, being that we are eternal vampires 8) .
Post by: Blackehart on Thu, 09 April 2015, 12:37:23
CMYK v2, will remain a partial mod set. With 2 sets of shifts you can potentially get 2-3 keyboards out of this depending on configurations, and you also get choice of arrow only or arrow and shift so 'everyone' can be happy. So for example if you have an 87/104 ANSI key and a 101 ANSI key you could hit both... or if you had an ISO 88/105, and an ISO 102 or 105 1800 you could hit both and etc, etc. I hope that makes some more sense now?
Loving your extra CMYK as well BUT I have one question for you Ivan how can these keys be seen at night when typing in front of an lcd only lit space?
So far from your key-set colour-way the ONLY colour that will be easily seen is the beautiful YELLOW on BLACK which is perfect, but the other colours like Blue, Purple/red and Grey will be nearly invisible. Are you worried that most won't be able to see these legends in sub-lighted rooms?
Had to mention this because some people like to type at night and not during the day, being that we are eternal vampires 8) .
+1 Kinda why my Broset is still in a bag : /
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 09 April 2015, 12:39:29
I don't need the legends - I just like a nice color scheme if I glance at my board :)
Post by: user 18 on Thu, 09 April 2015, 12:51:24
Do you guys really look at the caps while typing?
I don't need the legends - I just like a nice color scheme if I glance at my board :)
I occasionally need to check legends on the secondary symbols on the number row, for the keys I don't use very often. It's something you get used to very quickly when you don't have legends to look at though.
The only other time I use legends is when I'm typing one-handed for whatever reason -- ex. when talking on the phone
Post by: Blackehart on Thu, 09 April 2015, 13:24:16
Do you guys really look at the caps while typing?
I don't need the legends - I just like a nice color scheme if I glance at my board :)
I would guess we do since we brought it up.
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 09 April 2015, 13:55:50
Do you guys really look at the caps while typing?
I don't need the legends - I just like a nice color scheme if I glance at my board :)
I would guess we do since we brought it up.
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone - I just simply took it for granted that members of a keyboard enthusiast forum touch type :thumb:
Anyway, I don't think those colors will be unreadable - I imagine it to look quite like the code keys
(https://bingecap.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/MG_4545.png)
(image from bingecap)
Post by: ideus on Thu, 09 April 2015, 14:36:24
Post by: Blackehart on Thu, 09 April 2015, 15:23:27
Do you guys really look at the caps while typing?
I don't need the legends - I just like a nice color scheme if I glance at my board :)
I would guess we do since we brought it up.
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone - I just simply took it for granted that members of a keyboard enthusiast forum touch type :thumb:
Anyway, I don't think those colors will be unreadable - I imagine it to look quite like the code keysShow Image(https://bingecap.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/MG_4545.png)
(image from bingecap)
No biggie.
If it's like the code key, then it should be fine.
The alphas on the broset are almost non-existent in dim light situations.
My issue is having to readjust to typing after/during gaming.
Call me weird, but my hand is tilted a bit more while gaming than it is during typing, so I glance down to see where i ended up ><'
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 09 April 2015, 17:14:57
If you're really a vampire, can't you see in the dark?
Post by: fknraiden on Thu, 09 April 2015, 17:16:13
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Thu, 09 April 2015, 17:44:31
Post by: the big aristotle on Fri, 10 April 2015, 09:00:17
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 10 April 2015, 21:31:43
I am most definitely in.
Same here, with every Ivan Group Buy his key-sets are always unique and remain quite delectable 8) .
Post by: DanielT on Sun, 12 April 2015, 10:50:44
I have some complains about the A profile, I had the chance to test it and it's not so good. But it's not a deal breaker :)
So I hope people will join this GB when it starts because I will. After playing with all sorts of profiles and colorways I must say dark Cherry profile are my favorite.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 12 April 2015, 11:50:10
Post by: Sed8op8 on Sun, 12 April 2015, 13:44:56
I'll be kicking this into buy status as soon as I get the last change requests back from GMK.Wow thank you this is beautiful <3
Post by: 3Love on Sun, 12 April 2015, 13:56:25
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Post by: n7 on Sun, 12 April 2015, 16:35:39
Post by: Joey Quinn on Sun, 12 April 2015, 19:51:29
I'll be kicking this into buy status as soon as I get the last change requests back from GMK.
So soon :(
How long will it be open for? I won't have money for a few weeks.
Post by: shower_king on Sun, 12 April 2015, 20:58:00
I'll be kicking this into buy status as soon as I get the last change requests back from GMK.
THis will start as well as classic beige set..i both wanna buy , but after buying two sets each for TA and Hyperfuse, i have no money and too little time for my wallet to recovering. please make the GB launch more time to give me some time for wallet recovering .thank you
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 12 April 2015, 22:31:52
I'll be kicking this into buy status as soon as I get the last change requests back from GMK.
THis will start as well as classic beige set..i both wanna buy , but after buying two sets each for TA and Hyperfuse, i have no money and too little time for my wallet to recovering. please make the GB launch more time to give me some time for wallet recovering .thank you
Money can always be found, it isn't difficult nor hard to amass any amount when it comes to purchasing your dreams here on Geekhack 8) .
Post by: bueller on Sun, 12 April 2015, 22:42:32
CMYK v2, will remain a partial mod set. With 2 sets of shifts you can potentially get 2-3 keyboards out of this depending on configurations, and you also get choice of arrow only or arrow and shift so 'everyone' can be happy. So for example if you have an 87/104 ANSI key and a 101 ANSI key you could hit both... or if you had an ISO 88/105, and an ISO 102 or 105 1800 you could hit both and etc, etc. I hope that makes some more sense now?
Well that's probably me out for those too then, I don't really do partial sets on any of my boards. Should still be in for the WoB patch kit depending on price and keys available.
Post by: archer on Sun, 12 April 2015, 23:10:32
Post by: pichu23 on Mon, 13 April 2015, 07:53:48
Mock for both seems a little different.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 13 April 2015, 07:56:42
Post by: baldgye on Mon, 13 April 2015, 11:09:53
I'll be kicking this into buy status as soon as I get the last change requests back from GMK.
looking forward to it buddie
Post by: TBone on Mon, 13 April 2015, 12:24:03
Post by: taylordcraig on Mon, 13 April 2015, 14:39:14
Quick question, will the black on the CMYK V2 the same as the ones on the mods on the Dolch set you ran earlier?
Mock for both seems a little different.
Dolch doesn't have black, it's a dark grey.
Post by: pichu23 on Mon, 13 April 2015, 15:26:00
Quick question, will the black on the CMYK V2 the same as the ones on the mods on the Dolch set you ran earlier?
Mock for both seems a little different.
Dolch doesn't have black, it's a dark grey.
I know the alpha's are grey but ok. Can I know what colour code Dolch's mods are then?
:)
Post by: ideus on Mon, 13 April 2015, 15:29:36
Quick question, will the black on the CMYK V2 the same as the ones on the mods on the Dolch set you ran earlier?
Mock for both seems a little different.
Dolch doesn't have black, it's a dark grey.
I know the alpha's are grey but ok. Can I know what colour code Dolch's mods are then?
:)
The color code for Dolch was previously discuss in this thread, you could check 3 or 4 pages back.
Post by: pichu23 on Mon, 13 April 2015, 16:12:01
Quick question, will the black on the CMYK V2 the same as the ones on the mods on the Dolch set you ran earlier?
Mock for both seems a little different.
Dolch doesn't have black, it's a dark grey.
I know the alpha's are grey but ok. Can I know what colour code Dolch's mods are then?
:)
The color code for Dolch was previously discuss in this thread, you could check 3 or 4 pages back.
Ty. Found it. =)
Think N9 looks better than CR though as the base colour :))
Post by: ryptide11 on Tue, 14 April 2015, 12:16:25
Post by: choc on Tue, 14 April 2015, 20:25:09
Post by: shower_king on Tue, 14 April 2015, 23:39:18
After HP and TA, the classic beige almost start right now. as you know, it's you ,Ivan‘s GB that I absolutely join in no matter what happen.
The main reason is i like this set so much that my wallet couldn't balance between this one and classis beige, just because i wanna buy this set for two ,one for use ,the other one for back up. thank you very much and your great work for making the GB happen will be much appreciated.
Post by: choc on Wed, 15 April 2015, 09:47:48
Post by: the big aristotle on Wed, 15 April 2015, 21:14:08
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Wed, 15 April 2015, 21:36:10
How is this going to work with classic beige GMK GB about to start?People will buy both and be happy :cool:
Post by: rsadek on Wed, 15 April 2015, 22:57:39
How is this going to work with classic beige GMK GB about to start?People will buy both and be happy :cool:
That might start a recession.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 16 April 2015, 14:56:48
Post by: Danboard on Thu, 16 April 2015, 15:45:56
i don't see any problem with getting it started. If I need to have it run a bit longer by offsetting the order end period I can do that pretty easy.
Can't wait!
Post by: Sed8op8 on Thu, 16 April 2015, 16:49:21
i don't see any problem with getting it started. If I need to have it run a bit longer by offsetting the order end period I can do that pretty easy.sounds great I'm not going to have really any expendable cash due to orion v2 and other GB and sales till beginning of or mid may hope that fits into this time frame
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 16 April 2015, 22:01:50
i don't see any problem with getting it started. If I need to have it run a bit longer by offsetting the order end period I can do that pretty easy.
As long as you provide a proper, colour coded key-set for everyone to see here on Geekhack, then no problems in meeting the moq.
Everyone wants to see what they will receive for their moolah and when it shall be delivered in their hot geekhacker hands.
Just make sure all the legends are easily legible in darkened habitats, that's all I ask of thee 8) .
Post by: FoC_Tow on Thu, 16 April 2015, 22:17:50
i don't see any problem with getting it started. If I need to have it run a bit longer by offsetting the order end period I can do that pretty easy.sounds great I'm not going to have really any expendable cash due to orion v2 and other GB and sales till beginning of or mid may hope that fits into this time frame
I'm with sed on this! xD
Way too much send recently and would prefer if the GB lasts until may, but that is only two weeks anyway... :thumb:
Post by: choc on Fri, 17 April 2015, 11:26:07
i don't see any problem with getting it started. If I need to have it run a bit longer by offsetting the order end period I can do that pretty easy.
can't wait+1
Ivan, have you ever considered a gamer set for "Miami Nights"? The color scheme seems like pretty good, magical & elegant.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 17 April 2015, 12:46:50
I should be getting the final revision changes and price from GMK next week hopefully, then I will get it up for ordering. It looks like it will probably be OK to have it close in June?
Post by: Latin00032 on Fri, 17 April 2015, 19:25:41
I think will just stick to the full set, CMYKv2, and additional spacebars this time only. I've added windowed caps lock, num lock, scroll lock key to CMYKv2 so that should take care of most of requirement people need for white/black patch kits... granted in different colors.Woohoo!
I should be getting the final revision changes and price from GMK next week hopefully, then I will get it up for ordering. It looks like it will probably be OK to have it close in June?
Post by: FoC_Tow on Fri, 17 April 2015, 19:38:08
I think will just stick to the full set, CMYKv2, and additional spacebars this time only. I've added windowed caps lock, num lock, scroll lock key to CMYKv2 so that should take care of most of requirement people need for white/black patch kits... granted in different colors.
I should be getting the final revision changes and price from GMK next week hopefully, then I will get it up for ordering. It looks like it will probably be OK to have it close in June?
Sticking to the full set sounds awesome! Love the set how it is! :thumb:
Have you considered adding a side printed backspace arrow to the R2 Del by any chance tho ivan?
As an HHKB layout user that uses it as backspace first, that would mean like the world to me honestly, and I don't think anyone would mind the additional side print much...? :)
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 17 April 2015, 23:05:02
I think will just stick to the full set, CMYKv2, and additional spacebars this time only. I've added windowed caps lock, num lock, scroll lock key to CMYKv2 so that should take care of most of requirement people need for white/black patch kits... granted in different colors.
I should be getting the final revision changes and price from GMK next week hopefully, then I will get it up for ordering. It looks like it will probably be OK to have it close in June?
ALWAYS go with a Full-Set no matter what :thumb: . Every one needs the FULL PACKAGE because it represents the absolute best of what you could receive, especially when it comes to filling out every keyboard with these beauties.
Nice to have a stylish Dark Set for all the Black-lovers out there :-* .
Post by: shower_king on Sun, 19 April 2015, 03:07:15
I think will just stick to the full set, CMYKv2, and additional spacebars this time only. I've added windowed caps lock, num lock, scroll lock key to CMYKv2 so that should take care of most of requirement people need for white/black patch kits... granted in different colors.perfect work ,perfect time, Ivan , you leave enough time for my wallet to recover as well as other GMK's fans like me.
I should be getting the final revision changes and price from GMK next week hopefully, then I will get it up for ordering. It looks like it will probably be OK to have it close in June?
Absolutely two set for this one .thank you very much.
Post by: LXXXIX on Sun, 19 April 2015, 08:25:26
I think will just stick to the full set, CMYKv2, and additional spacebars this time only. I've added windowed caps lock, num lock, scroll lock key to CMYKv2 so that should take care of most of requirement people need for white/black patch kits... granted in different colors.perfect work ,perfect time, Ivan , you leave enough time for my wallet to recover as well as other GMK's fans like me.
I should be getting the final revision changes and price from GMK next week hopefully, then I will get it up for ordering. It looks like it will probably be OK to have it close in June?
Absolutely two set for this one .thank you very much.
Can't agree more with the timing. :thumb:
Post by: Joey Quinn on Sun, 19 April 2015, 17:27:10
I think will just stick to the full set, CMYKv2, and additional spacebars this time only. I've added windowed caps lock, num lock, scroll lock key to CMYKv2 so that should take care of most of requirement people need for white/black patch kits... granted in different colors.
I should be getting the final revision changes and price from GMK next week hopefully, then I will get it up for ordering. It looks like it will probably be OK to have it close in June?
June should leave me enough time to set aside some funds.
Post by: tjweir on Sun, 19 April 2015, 18:34:08
I've added windowed caps lock, num lock, scroll lock key to CMYKv2
Ooooooo baby!
Thanks Ivan!
Post by: Jokrik on Sun, 19 April 2015, 23:17:29
this would be my first time getting a keyset with different font colors
Cant wait :)
Post by: SL89 on Wed, 22 April 2015, 18:37:14
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 22 April 2015, 20:23:35
Changed my mind, gonna give this a go as it looks interesting
this would be my first time getting a keyset with different font colors
Cant wait :)
That's what makes it so SEXY.
Post by: the big aristotle on Thu, 23 April 2015, 13:14:49
...rumor has it that Tom Petty likes GMK too
Post by: FoC_Tow on Fri, 24 April 2015, 22:01:07
Anyone else getting that Vice City vibe? ;)
Edit: wow typo loool
Post by: cooldiscretion on Fri, 24 April 2015, 22:05:01
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sat, 25 April 2015, 00:17:16
Hope you guys like it and no one actually minds! xD
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 25 April 2015, 04:11:27
I'm really excited to see updated pics of the final GB keyset :)
Same here, I've just gone to the front page here of the "GMK Miami Nights" and waiting for the images to load into my Firefox browser, how brilliant and stylish it looks.
Who would think that different coloured Legends could achieve this level of diversity amongst hard-core GMK lovers out there (me included) 8) .
Please make sure this one goes through to their factory in Germany Ivan because we need these for all our Cherry Keyboards, simply subdued perfection :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: .
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 25 April 2015, 16:32:48
Just waiting for last detail from GMK still, hope to get them early next week so I can get this going.
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sun, 26 April 2015, 11:00:04
Im just getting that strong gta vibe from the set for some reason... xD
Fonts and even the palm tree stock images should be the originals rockstar used in their artwork and are all free to use license.
So feel free to use it for whatever guys!
Miami Night stickers could be awesome for example! :)
Post by: doodersbrother on Sun, 26 April 2015, 22:56:47
Post by: taylordcraig on Tue, 28 April 2015, 18:13:44
Post by: Ouro on Tue, 28 April 2015, 23:37:41
(http://i.imgur.com/PNCIXwh.gif)
Post by: quochung1989 on Wed, 29 April 2015, 00:23:05
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 29 April 2015, 01:10:46
Post by: FoC_Tow on Wed, 29 April 2015, 03:46:19
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 29 April 2015, 03:49:00
4 color will be available, in both sizes, each separate as alone. Full set will come with black.
Damn Ivan you're spoiling us with these coloured spacers.
They'll look nice against a sea of black on this set hence thanks for arranging this, like to see different space bar colours applied to give a unique visual to this colour-way.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 29 April 2015, 10:54:32
Post by: Hzza on Wed, 29 April 2015, 10:57:03
Post by: strict on Wed, 29 April 2015, 11:37:23
Post by: jackiecanev2 on Wed, 29 April 2015, 11:40:31
Just to make sure I'm reading those images right, we will have to buy the CMYK v2 set to have matching bottom row profiles on 125 layout boards?
Looks to me like the main set includes the full set of magenta modifiers in the first picture (including bottom row 1.25u mods and 6.25 space); the CMYK v2 is for the additional colored mods.
Post by: TBone on Wed, 29 April 2015, 13:32:48
All mock ups in OP are updated with what will be moving onto groupbuy. I'll be getting it over to buy status shortly.
Looks so good Ivan. Will definitely be getting in on this. You should use FoC_Tow's Miami Nights logo to advertise this! It looks so good, and who doesn't love some Vice City?
Post by: tjweir on Wed, 29 April 2015, 14:32:18
4 color will be available, in both sizes, each separate as alone. Full set will come with black.
Can I ask about the windowed Caps/Control and why they have front printing and not the magenta on the face?
Having the LED light up the "CK" of "LOCK" is going to look odd I think.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 29 April 2015, 14:34:03
4 color will be available, in both sizes, each separate as alone. Full set will come with black.
Can I ask about the windowed Caps/Control and why they have front printing and not the magenta on the face?
Having the LED light up the "CK" of "LOCK" is going to look odd I think.
The stepped windowed key cap should be blank.
Post by: tjweir on Wed, 29 April 2015, 14:39:33
4 color will be available, in both sizes, each separate as alone. Full set will come with black.
Can I ask about the windowed Caps/Control and why they have front printing and not the magenta on the face?
Having the LED light up the "CK" of "LOCK" is going to look odd I think.
The stepped windowed key cap should be blank.
I'd prefer either "Control" or "Caps Lock" in magenta. But blank would be preferable to the front printing.
(obviously my opinion)
Post by: pichu23 on Wed, 29 April 2015, 15:06:10
4 color will be available, in both sizes, each separate as alone. Full set will come with black.
Can I ask about the windowed Caps/Control and why they have front printing and not the magenta on the face?
Having the LED light up the "CK" of "LOCK" is going to look odd I think.
this, was wondering the same too ;D
Post by: adamski07 on Wed, 29 April 2015, 15:13:10
A newbiew question tho, I am receiving my new custom keyboard soon(my very first). The B.87 from winkeyless, which size of spacebar would fit on that keyboard? Thanks!
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 29 April 2015, 15:20:08
There is a doubleshot 1.75 Control key for row C already.
Post by: tjweir on Wed, 29 April 2015, 15:31:33
Since they have to be pad printed, I prefer to do so on the front so it won't ever wear off. As good as GMK pad printing is, it doesn't last forever when its on the top.
There is a doubleshot 1.75 Control key for row C already.
In Ivan I trust.
Post by: pichu23 on Wed, 29 April 2015, 15:46:59
Since I am already loosing hope of getting my hands on the Pulse, I might go with this set as well. Looks perfect to me! :)
A newbiew question tho, I am receiving my new custom keyboard soon(my very first). The B.87 from winkeyless, which size of spacebar would fit on that keyboard? Thanks!
It depends on the layout.
If you're using the standard layout, you'll need a 6.25x spacebar, if you're using the winkeyless layout then 7x spacebar.
Post by: adamski07 on Wed, 29 April 2015, 16:01:08
Since I am already loosing hope of getting my hands on the Pulse, I might go with this set as well. Looks perfect to me! :)
A newbiew question tho, I am receiving my new custom keyboard soon(my very first). The B.87 from winkeyless, which size of spacebar would fit on that keyboard? Thanks!
It depends on the layout.
If you're using the standard layout, you'll need a 6.25x spacebar, if you're using the winkeyless layout then 7x spacebar.
Got it! It has winkey so 6.25x for me then! Thanks!
Post by: FoC_Tow on Wed, 29 April 2015, 17:15:09
All mock ups in OP are updated with what will be moving onto groupbuy. I'll be getting it over to buy status shortly.
Yaay, exited! :thumb:
Would have been awesome to get Backspace side print for the R2 Delete/Backspace but the set is hella smexy either way!
All mock ups in OP are updated with what will be moving onto groupbuy. I'll be getting it over to buy status shortly.
Looks so good Ivan. Will definitely be getting in on this. You should use FoC_Tow's Miami Nights logo to advertise this! It looks so good, and who doesn't love some Vice City?
Thx soo much TBone! <3<3
I would definitely be honored if Ivan chooses to use the Logo I made!
If you want to use the Logo Ivan your very welcome to! Shoot me a PM if you want anything changed or get a version without my name on it for example... :)
Post by: Ouro on Wed, 29 April 2015, 17:38:56
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 29 April 2015, 19:27:00
(http://i.imgur.com/LR1pHRC.jpg)
A profile front is a little taller, little steeper.
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 29 April 2015, 20:04:56
In Ivan I trust.
We all trust Ivan here, he is the Original GMK man-about-town here on Geekhack 8) .
He always delivers on what he promises so his word is literally his bond, definitely someone you can count on in these perilous times.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 29 April 2015, 20:41:58
4 color will be available, in both sizes, each separate as alone. Full set will come with black.
Can I ask about the windowed Caps/Control and why they have front printing and not the magenta on the face?
Having the LED light up the "CK" of "LOCK" is going to look odd I think.
The stepped windowed key cap should be blank.
I'd prefer either "Control" or "Caps Lock" in magenta. But blank would be preferable to the front printing.
(obviously my opinion)
Well, worry not: Ivan will do whatever he wants, we can get it, or leave it, of course :D .
Post by: shower_king on Wed, 29 April 2015, 21:10:04
for example, i buy two basic sets and buy three or even more sets of CMYK V2?
since CMYK V2 has 1×ctrl and 1×alt, they could be perfect compatible with my G80-1865
Post by: bueller on Wed, 29 April 2015, 21:11:04
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 29 April 2015, 21:27:11
Yes, I decided not to do black on white for now. Most of anything that could be needed to flesh out scavenged sets is available in the cmykv2 kit. I would rather push something new and different than offer 2 things which are the same keys and risk splitting the MOQ and neither making it through.
Post by: bueller on Wed, 29 April 2015, 21:28:54
Nothing will be a required purchase. Each thing will be available separately on it's own. So if you only want some CMYKv2, or just spacebars it's no problem. You can buy as many of any item you can afford, there is no other limit from me.
Yes, I decided not to do black on white for now. Most of anything that could be needed to flesh out scavenged sets is available in the cmykv2 kit. I would rather push something new and different than offer 2 things which are the same keys and risk splitting the MOQ and neither making it through.
Fair call, probably a good idea.
Post by: effectiveduck on Thu, 30 April 2015, 04:59:53
How come the € is top printed and not side printed like the other 'extras'?
Why Return instead of Enter?
It's also quite a lot to get everyhting and just the base costs the same as hyperfuse but I feel like there isn't as much there, is there potential to cut some things?
Also just a point I think the mock up is kinda unflattering, i think it's because the spacebar isn't in it's spot but it looks off.
EDITED: Added another question.
Post by: TBone on Thu, 30 April 2015, 13:22:25
Also I think the whole top row should be one profile, but I've never had it any other way, so I'm not sure. Unless Dolch was like this?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 30 April 2015, 14:48:20
€ is part of the doubleshot, not pad printed so it's on the top.
Return because there is not Enter in just text for those key sizes.
I'm not really sure what could be cut to make a substantial difference in cost without loosing some of the extras many people want and additional keyboard compatibility. I think I got a pretty good balance here.
Perhaps the lock keys and etc won't be touched as much so may last longer, but I think it's better on the side. Also it would be consistent with the side pad printing if it were to be used with the full set.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Thu, 30 April 2015, 15:13:46