Post by: absyrd on Fri, 22 May 2015, 10:45:59
Matt3o has put a TON of effort into this. Let us support him, the community, and our beloved HHKBs and Realforces.
ORDER NAAOO!! (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/topre-pbt-spacebar?mode=guest_open)
TL;DR
-GB will start really soon (few hours)GB just started!
- order more or equal than what you committed (not less)
- colors will be: light blue, red, light gray, dark gray.
- the spacebars are actually already in production, you'll get them really soon
The story so far
A little by chance at the end of last year I found a manufacturer in Europe able to make the Topre spacebars in PBT. Only problem... a ginormous MOQ and quite a steep cost for the mold. Anyway I started this "purchase intent" to check on the interest of such a project and hopefully find some sponsors.
Sponsor that materialized in the form of Massdrop. Months passed and soon was clear that it couldn't be possible to produce the spacebar at a reasonable price point in Europe... so China it is.
From China with love
First of all let me say that all you hear about manufacturing in China is true. Making them do exactly what you need is a darn odyssey, but sure it's cheaper. Anyway, the purchase intent went well, so we have the numbers to proceed.
We ordered 8 prototypes. These prototypes are milled not injected, they are needed just to check that the 3d model is good. On that 3d model we will be forging the final mold.
And here we are now
I have the prototypes in my hands, the colors are still not perfect and there are few things to update, but that's what prototypes are for. Overall I'm very satisfied by the product. The 3D model is a perfect 1:1 replica of the original. Seriously you can't tell the difference.
I'm happy to finally be able to tell you that... the mold has already been paid for and it is in production! This means that when the GB ends the spacebars will be already done (or close to).
Shut up and take my money
The group buy will start very soon (it's a matter of hours now). I'll do my best to have some kind of bonus for all those who preordered but MOQ is still pretty high and margin very small. I hope you'll understand if that won't be possible.
The cost per key should be around what we estimated, $9, possibly something less, I'll know for sure in the next few hours. Volume discount will be available. It will be possible to buy 1 black and 1 white, 2 black, 2 white, 2 colors, all 4. I don't think it will be possible to buy only one, sorry. That is because the high MOQ.
Colors will be: white (aka: light gray), black (aka: dark gray), red, light blue. These colors have been chosen by you and I believe they are just perfect. Remember that you can always dye-at-home the white one.
Colors are all matched, but 100% match won't be technically possible.
Pre production samples
Let me thank the guys at Massdrop that made all this possible. Especially Andrew and Kunal. They agreed at running pre-production samples. This means that a couple of weeks from now, while you will be still ordering your spacebars, I will be holding a semi-final product. If anything is wrong with it, we will have 2 more weeks to fix it in time for the GB end.
I'm closing the "purchase intent" form now, if you participated, you are the one who made this possible. Thanks to the huge numbers we raised I was able to persuade Massdrop to join this adventure. As soon as the GB will be up I will be emailing you a friendly reminder. You can change your order, but please try not to order less than what you already told us.
Thank you everybody! Now let's inject some plastic!
Yours,
Matt3oShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/xPvuO3x.jpg)
UPDATE 5/23/15
the MOQ has already been met. The spacebars will be produced. We are all set!
If we reach 4000 we might have some pleasant surprise. that's all.
UPDATE 5/25/15
thanks guys! So far we sold about 1900 spacebars! This means that the expectation has been met (we sold approx 2200 in the purchase intent, but I was expecting a 10% less orders).
If we reach around 4000 spacebars (bold but still feasible) it might be possible to get a discount. So keep ordering.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 22 May 2015, 10:49:38
Post by: absyrd on Fri, 22 May 2015, 10:52:07
Matt3o, if you want to make a new thread to be able to edit the OP, feel free to do so. :thumb:
Yeah. Please do and feel free to lock mine. It is your baby. I'm just trying to help the push.
Post by: demik on Sat, 23 May 2015, 00:18:21
Post by: Air tree on Sat, 23 May 2015, 00:47:12
ehhhhhh why massdropTo annoy you.
Post by: demik on Sat, 23 May 2015, 00:52:57
Post by: trizkut on Sat, 23 May 2015, 00:53:34
ehhhhhh why massdrop
I already have a pretty big order placed. If you want to piggyback onto mine and save yourself the signup, let me know
Post by: demik on Sat, 23 May 2015, 01:30:14
ehhhhhh why massdrop
I already have a pretty big order placed. If you want to piggyback onto mine and save yourself the signup, let me know
thanks, i might take you up on it
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 23 May 2015, 01:34:07
Matt3o, if you want to make a new thread to be able to edit the OP, feel free to do so. :thumb:
it's okay, thanks. I'll post updates here if needed. It would be great if we could hit approx 1800 orders (about 4000 spacebars) but anyway the GB is already a hit.
Post by: RoflCopter4 on Sat, 23 May 2015, 01:59:37
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 23 May 2015, 02:17:15
If we reach 4000 we might have some pleasant surprise. that's all.
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 23 May 2015, 02:23:24
It would be great if we could hit approx 1800 orders (about 4000 spacebars) but anyway the GB is already a hit.
Because everyone has some spare Thorpies in their possession and desperately want some PBT space-bars, hence the natural rise in orders.
Plus your name is connected to this so expect everyone to jump onto this as soon possible :thumb: .
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 23 May 2015, 02:30:46
Post by: Sturmfrau on Sat, 23 May 2015, 05:04:58
I'm sure to buy 4 (2 light gray + 2 dark gray), can we get an option to 2 red?You can add more in the Mass Drop form.
Red space bar looked damn sexy on a black HHKB. Do it!
I don't know how to hahaha this is the first time I'm ordering from massdrop. Here's the only thing I see http://prntscr.com/78b4od
Post by: absyrd on Sat, 23 May 2015, 05:23:36
the MOQ has already been met. The spacebars will be produced. We are all set!
If we reach 4000 we might have some pleasant surprise. that's all.
Woooooo!
Added to OP.
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sat, 23 May 2015, 05:26:23
Post by: cinnamoncider on Sat, 23 May 2015, 06:30:48
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/242/631/382.gif)
Post by: Bucake on Sat, 23 May 2015, 08:31:12
Order two of everything cause I couldn't remember my original order xp
your original order was 4 of everything
(http://www.pieraldi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/wink-happy-16.jpg)
Post by: strict on Sat, 23 May 2015, 08:55:26
Post by: absyrd on Sat, 23 May 2015, 08:56:35
Changed my mind, figured it would be worthwhile to just go ahead and double down. Order is now at 4x light grey and 4x dark grey. :thumb:
I doubled down (again) and didn't get charged for it. Never done MD before. Will it charge me the rest at the end of the GB?
Post by: strict on Sat, 23 May 2015, 08:59:43
I doubled down (again) and didn't get charged for it. Never done MD before. Will it charge me the rest at the end of the GB?
It will update once the buy concludes. Right now my account just shows a $1 holding charge, once the drop ends they will update the charge to the correct amount. Check your "transactions" page to see the amount you will eventually be billed for. :)
Post by: Belfong on Sat, 23 May 2015, 09:01:03
Changed my mind, figured it would be worthwhile to just go ahead and double down. Order is now at 4x light grey and 4x dark grey. :thumb:Hmm.. This will never come again, will it?
Post by: Evo_Spec on Sat, 23 May 2015, 09:39:30
I'm curious about this too because at the moment I have no topre boards or even have plan to get one but I'm getting a serious case of "might miss out" syndrome.Changed my mind, figured it would be worthwhile to just go ahead and double down. Order is now at 4x light grey and 4x dark grey. :thumb:Hmm.. This will never come again, will it?
Especially because it's relatively cheap.
Post by: Belfong on Sat, 23 May 2015, 09:49:57
I'm curious about this too because at the moment I have no topre boards or even have plan to get one but I'm getting a serious case of "might miss out" syndrome.Changed my mind, figured it would be worthwhile to just go ahead and double down. Order is now at 4x light grey and 4x dark grey. :thumb:Hmm.. This will never come again, will it?
Especially because it's relatively cheap.
the problem is the MOQ. So, unless there is a huge demand in the future, it is unlikely to be make again. If you have no Topre now, you should just get one kit, just in case. I asked because I wonder how many more I should buy :eek: even though PBT is supposed to last a life time - but I have to think of my grand children and their children too, you know.
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 23 May 2015, 09:59:13
I'm curious about this too because at the moment I have no topre boards or even have plan to get one but I'm getting a serious case of "might miss out" syndrome.Changed my mind, figured it would be worthwhile to just go ahead and double down. Order is now at 4x light grey and 4x dark grey. :thumb:Hmm.. This will never come again, will it?
Especially because it's relatively cheap.
I have no idea. Depends on demand. Maybe colors will change next time, so if you like red or blue you better get them. Honestly I don't think we will run another GB any time soon, the target audience is pretty small after all.
Post by: absyrd on Sat, 23 May 2015, 10:03:36
even though PBT is supposed to last a life time - but I have to think of my grand children and their children too, you know.
I like how you think.
Post by: Belfong on Sat, 23 May 2015, 10:17:36
thanks, we need to preserve the spirit of oneness with cup rubber to our future generations!even though PBT is supposed to last a life time - but I have to think of my grand children and their children too, you know.
I like how you think.
Post by: dante on Sat, 23 May 2015, 10:18:46
I have no idea. Depends on demand. Maybe colors will change next time, so if you like red or blue you better get them. Honestly I don't think we will run another GB any time soon, the target audience is pretty small after all.
I wish MD had an option for 4x/8x/10x blue spacebars. The closest option for me would be 4x Red / 4x Blue - but I don't care about the red nor the logistics of selling them.
Perhaps someone out there wants to split an order with me?
Post by: joey on Sat, 23 May 2015, 18:13:03
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 23 May 2015, 19:05:38
Post by: a_ak57 on Sat, 23 May 2015, 19:06:37
the MOQ has already been met. The spacebars will be produced. We are all set!
If we reach 4000 we might have some pleasant surprise. that's all.
So basically that means you're out of the danger zone and orders from here on out orders are just extra success?
Post by: wakko on Sat, 23 May 2015, 22:11:09
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sat, 23 May 2015, 22:37:13
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 24 May 2015, 01:10:17
Is the blue trying to match this set http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,toprekeys&pid=xf0100kt2
the blue matches this http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,toprekeys&pid=pd_kb400kt01 (but I've got a feeling they are the same blue)
Post by: HungryPillow on Sun, 24 May 2015, 02:15:44
Post by: Sturmfrau on Sun, 24 May 2015, 09:58:35
Post by: absyrd on Sun, 24 May 2015, 10:17:37
Matt3o why can't we order 2 pcs of red/blue?
You have to order a blue and red together. He packaged everything in two pieces or more to make sure MOQs were met. If you want 2 blues, you need to buy 2 reds... and vice versa.
Post by: Sturmfrau on Mon, 25 May 2015, 21:22:04
Matt3o why can't we order 2 pcs of red/blue?
You have to order a blue and red together. He packaged everything in two pieces or more to make sure MOQs were met. If you want 2 blues, you need to buy 2 reds... and vice versa.
Ah I see. Would've ordered more but meh.
Post by: absyrd on Thu, 28 May 2015, 04:41:56
Post by: Bucake on Sat, 30 May 2015, 13:24:57
about how many spacebars total, have been sold @Matt30?
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 30 May 2015, 16:36:55
Post by: _PixelNinja on Mon, 01 June 2015, 18:57:26
Although — as I understand — the FC660C is not your reference for color matching, may I ask how close is the black PBT space bar relative to the keys of the Leopold?
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 01 June 2015, 22:40:07
Approx 2400 so far. At this pace we might end up in the 3000-3500 range.
:eek:
Unless there's some silly large orders, that's a lot of Topre owners buying space bars!
Post by: Air tree on Mon, 01 June 2015, 22:59:21
I really wish some vendor would swoop in and get us to that sweet, sweet 4000 spacebars. :))
Post by: temporal on Mon, 01 June 2015, 23:10:49
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 02 June 2015, 04:27:25
Although — as I understand — the FC660C is not your reference for color matching, may I ask how close is the black PBT space bar relative to the keys of the Leopold?
I'm using a replacement HHKB spacebar on a FC660C right now. They are pretty close to me, maybe the FC660C is a pinch lighter, but it works for me.
Post by: _PixelNinja on Tue, 02 June 2015, 08:01:01
I'm using a replacement HHKB spacebar on a FC660C right now. They are pretty close to me, maybe the FC660C is a pinch lighter, but it works for me.Thank you very much sir!
Post by: absyrd on Tue, 02 June 2015, 12:37:55
Post by: RickyJ on Tue, 02 June 2015, 23:23:10
Post by: wlhlm on Tue, 02 June 2015, 23:28:32
I don't have any Topre, but I've been contemplating getting these for the 55g that I do want...Get it. Easy to sell afterwards if Topre doesn't work out for you.
Post by: joey on Wed, 03 June 2015, 01:52:03
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 03 June 2015, 03:28:17
Approx 2400 so far. At this pace we might end up in the 3000-3500 range.
:o
Unless there's some silly large orders, that's a lot of Topre owners buying space bars!
These are the SILENT majority that quietly slip in at the last minute. Whole Governments get elected by these guys as well as various Corporate Regimes.
Thorpies are everywhere but you shall never know that at all.......... 8)
I don't have any Topre, but I've been contemplating getting these for the 55g that I do want...
Don't contemplate, get it NOW >:( .
55g is the ONLY worthwhile investment within the Thorpie clan, so go get one.
Post by: Sent on Wed, 03 June 2015, 04:36:21
Post by: wlhlm on Wed, 03 June 2015, 04:37:55
I suppose I should grab some...Sorry, there's no way around it :(
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 03 June 2015, 04:42:00
Went in for one of each colour.. Part of me wants to stock up more, but most of me doesn't want to be a hoarder.
Be a fvckin hoarder till you can't hoard no more....... it's all about what you own before you take your last gasp on this planet.
Have all your key-caps and spacer-bars swimming inside your huge-arse coffin, when you're finally laid to rest :thumb: .
Post by: Air tree on Wed, 03 June 2015, 04:48:16
Post by: Bucake on Wed, 03 June 2015, 20:29:17
happy with the result, Matt3o?
Post by: dante on Wed, 03 June 2015, 20:33:02
Post by: trees on Wed, 03 June 2015, 21:11:03
Post by: RickyJ on Wed, 03 June 2015, 22:33:09
I don't have any Topre, but I've been contemplating getting these for the 55g that I do want...
Don't contemplate, get it NOW >:( .
55g is the ONLY worthwhile investment within the Thorpie clan, so go get one.
The local distributor up here only has variable weights ($200cdn for a black 87UB on sale right now). EK would be $310cdn, plus import fees likely. Is there a better source of the 55g TKL's?
Post by: KatzenKinder on Wed, 03 June 2015, 23:50:14
Match the existing keys or just get those sweet colors?!?
Post by: RickyJ on Thu, 04 June 2015, 22:22:42
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 05 June 2015, 00:22:09
Post by: Bucake on Fri, 05 June 2015, 01:24:20
it's still hard to believe you started this from the ground up :D
hope you're happy with the results, i sure will be with my new bars :cool:
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 05 June 2015, 01:50:16
just wanted to thank you for all the work matt3o
it's still hard to believe you started this from the ground up :D
hope you're happy with the results, i sure will be with my new bars :cool:
it took a really long time (and it's not finished yet) but we are almost there.
I should get pre-production samples in few days. Hope all is good at first try
Post by: Sturmfrau on Sat, 06 June 2015, 09:06:41
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 06 June 2015, 09:48:27
Matt3o, what do? Is there any way I could get my hands on these spacebars? http://prntscr.com/7dswyt http://prntscr.com/7dswhl :'(
bummer! try to contact massdrop directly
Post by: Sturmfrau on Sat, 06 June 2015, 10:44:48
Matt3o, what do? Is there any way I could get my hands on these spacebars? http://prntscr.com/7dswyt http://prntscr.com/7dswhl :'(
bummer! try to contact massdrop directly
Already did. If I can't get some tho what do? Can I like, buy the left overs at normal price? Or do I just wait for someone to sell them overpriced here? :v
Post by: absyrd on Sat, 06 June 2015, 10:49:03
Matt3o, what do? Is there any way I could get my hands on these spacebars? http://prntscr.com/7dswyt http://prntscr.com/7dswhl :'(
bummer! try to contact massdrop directly
Already did. If I can't get some tho what do? Can I like, buy the left overs at normal price? Or do I just wait for someone to sell them overpriced here? :v
I doubt you'll see much markup if people over-ordered and need to dump a few on here over the next few months. Make a classifieds post after they have shipped.
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 06 June 2015, 11:37:04
Post by: RoflCopter4 on Sat, 06 June 2015, 14:00:09
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 06 June 2015, 19:20:03
What was the final count, if you don't mind telling?
From what I saw it was 1100 orders on Massdrop but that doesn't specify which pack people went for
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 07 June 2015, 05:36:56
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 07 June 2015, 13:03:43
(http://i.imgur.com/7UYktA0.jpg)
they are real! :)
Post by: joey on Sun, 07 June 2015, 13:12:46
Post by: MarkRobbo on Sun, 07 June 2015, 13:58:41
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 07 June 2015, 20:05:40
first (pre)production shot!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7UYktA0.jpg)
they are real! :)
Oh FVCK, just jizzed all over my work Compaq, need to clean it up fast but where's the kleenex?
Damn you Matt you've delivered another rare Group Buy here, so glad I'm in this one, but really when didn't I join anyone of your GB's since you've joined this community?
Post by: Sturmfrau on Sun, 07 June 2015, 22:30:35
first (pre)production shot!Send me pl0x :DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/7UYktA0.jpg)
they are real! :)
Post by: cinnamoncider on Mon, 08 June 2015, 23:42:02
What are you planning to do with those pre-prod samples, matt3o?
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 08 June 2015, 23:47:57
Oh God. Those glorious Topre PBT spacebars! Can't wait for Massdrop to ship them! :D
What are you planning to do with those pre-prod samples, matt3o?
stirrers :D
Post by: CommonCurt on Mon, 08 June 2015, 23:51:45
first (pre)production shot!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7UYktA0.jpg)
they are real! :)
Wow. I can't be for sure until I get mine in my hands, but from the pic it looks like these are going to match the white FC660C caps very well.
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 09 June 2015, 03:28:22
first (pre)production shot!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7UYktA0.jpg)
they are real! :)
Wow. I can't be for sure until I get mine in my hands, but from the pic it looks like these are going to match the white FC660C caps very well.
They would also match all the white coloured, Realforce keyboards as well 8) .
Post by: Sturmfrau on Tue, 09 June 2015, 05:10:06
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Tue, 09 June 2015, 06:38:55
Post by: absyrd on Tue, 09 June 2015, 07:19:22
first (pre)production shot!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7UYktA0.jpg)
they are real! :)
Well. That about covers my order. Sorry to the rest of you. 😜
Post by: cinnamoncider on Tue, 09 June 2015, 09:31:08
Oh God. Those glorious Topre PBT spacebars! Can't wait for Massdrop to ship them! :D[/spoiler]
What are you planning to do with those pre-prod samples, matt3o?
stirrers :D
You can send me a PM if you're planning to sell some of those :p :))
Post by: Air tree on Tue, 09 June 2015, 11:40:49
I can imagine him diving into a vat of 3000 spacesbars...
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 09 June 2015, 11:50:25
Post by: MarkRobbo on Tue, 09 June 2015, 15:09:56
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 09 June 2015, 16:01:32
Post by: rawkus on Tue, 09 June 2015, 19:39:40
Post by: kekstee on Tue, 09 June 2015, 20:34:30
Post by: wlhlm on Tue, 09 June 2015, 21:39:07
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 11 June 2015, 08:45:20
Post by: absyrd on Thu, 11 June 2015, 08:46:37
I finally got the pre-production spacebars in all colors. Unfortunately they do not meet my (very high) quality standard and I'll be asking to make more modifications. I don't know how much this will impact on delivery time, but I believe it will be worth the wait.
Thanks for the QC!
Post by: MarkRobbo on Thu, 11 June 2015, 08:51:05
Post by: joey on Thu, 11 June 2015, 09:13:19
Post by: Bucake on Thu, 11 June 2015, 09:44:44
I finally got the pre-production spacebars in all colors. Unfortunately they do not meet my (very high) quality standard and I'll be asking to make more modifications. I don't know how much this will impact on delivery time, but I believe it will be worth the wait.
i'd rather wait an extra year for flawless bars in stead of receiving flawed bars ASAP :-)
cheers!
Post by: Polymer on Thu, 11 June 2015, 10:16:29
Unfortunately with the Black and White, if they're not perfect they'll actually look worse than if they were just some oddball color...
Post by: retrochick on Thu, 11 June 2015, 10:27:06
Post by: MarkRobbo on Thu, 11 June 2015, 10:39:25
Can I... jump in on this still? Or will there be a second round in the near future?
Ordering's all over I'm afraid, certainly no plans for another round any time soon. You might well be able to pick up some extras from those who ordered more on classifieds when they eventually ship.
Post by: retrochick on Thu, 11 June 2015, 10:41:27
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 11 June 2015, 12:27:40
What is wrong with them? Colour, mold quality?
Stabs dont' fit as well as I'd like and color is still not perfect. I understand that 100% color match won't be possible but we can do better.
Post by: nmur on Thu, 11 June 2015, 12:33:21
Sounds like they're pretty close though!What is wrong with them? Colour, mold quality?
Stabs dont' fit as well as I'd like and color is still not perfect. I understand that 100% color match won't be possible but we can do better.
Thanks for keeping us all updated as well as making the effort to ensure the final product is of high quality.
Post by: nukec on Thu, 11 June 2015, 16:01:31
Post by: Vizir on Thu, 11 June 2015, 17:54:55
Any picxs matteo?
first (pre)production shot!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7UYktA0.jpg)
they are real! :)
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 11 June 2015, 19:02:30
Stabs dont' fit as well as I'd like and color is still not perfect. I understand that 100% color match won't be possible but we can do better.
Bloody PERFECTIONIST ;) .
Always unhappy until it passes his own Quality and Assurance levels, this company has to deliver on this or face the wrath of Matt3o >:D .
Post by: strict on Thu, 11 June 2015, 20:06:21
i'd rather wait an extra year for flawless bars in stead of receiving flawed bars ASAP :-)
cheers!
+1
Post by: yomammary on Fri, 12 June 2015, 07:07:56
This.
i'd rather wait an extra year for flawless bars in stead of receiving flawed bars ASAP :-)
cheers!
+1
Post by: fanpeople on Fri, 12 June 2015, 07:45:34
d'oh. okay thanks for the quick response. i'll keep my eyes out in the classifieds section. if anyone wants me to take over their order, let me know!
What colour were you looking for
Post by: kekstee on Thu, 18 June 2015, 05:30:34
Post by: Bucake on Thu, 18 June 2015, 14:53:15
If somebody ordered tons of surplus spacebars I'd love to take a white/black combo once this happens :/
send me a message when these are shipped.
i ordered 10 bars, but probably only care to keep around 6 of them. i will certainly have a white and a black spare.
i live in the netherlands, so shipping cost/time won't be nasty.
they are 1 million euros each.
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 18 June 2015, 15:19:56
The Euro isn't what it used to be... :'(If somebody ordered tons of surplus spacebars I'd love to take a white/black combo once this happens :/
send me a message when these are shipped.
i ordered 10 bars, but probably only care to keep around 6 of them. i will certainly have a white and a black spare.
i live in the netherlands, so shipping cost/time won't be nasty.
they are 1 million euros each.
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 18 June 2015, 19:13:54
The Euro isn't what it used to be... :'(
Thank gawd you still have the Euro, imagine if you were stuck using the almost worthless currency, known as the Australian Dollar ::) .
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 18 June 2015, 19:52:36
The Euro isn't what it used to be... :'(
Thank gawd you still have the Euro, imagine if you were stuck using the almost worthless currency, known as the Australian Dollar ::) .
Citi predicts 68c US next year :'(
Post by: nmur on Thu, 18 June 2015, 20:01:49
The Euro isn't what it used to be... :'(
Thank gawd you still have the Euro, imagine if you were stuck using the almost worthless currency, known as the Australian Dollar ::) .
Citi predicts 68c US next year :'(
Please no..
Online shopping is already so painful...
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 18 June 2015, 21:15:49
The Euro isn't what it used to be... :'(
Thank gawd you still have the Euro, imagine if you were stuck using the almost worthless currency, known as the Australian Dollar ::) .
Citi predicts 68c US next year :'(
Please no..
Online shopping is already so painful...
China... if you're reading this.... buy more iron ore
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 18 June 2015, 21:56:05
Please no..
Online shopping is already so painful...
YES but you'll love being gaped by the Internationals ;) .
Nothing better than having your wallet gang-raped either by the Americans or the Europeans 8) .
Post by: jerue on Fri, 19 June 2015, 13:02:21
This.
i'd rather wait an extra year for flawless bars in stead of receiving flawed bars ASAP :-)
cheers!
+1
Also this.
Matt3o, I applaud your perfectionism. I've been using the ABS spacebar for a while now, little while longer won't hurt. :D
Post by: pepsi on Sun, 21 June 2015, 13:33:47
Post by: absyrd on Thu, 02 July 2015, 16:50:48
Post by: nickheller on Thu, 02 July 2015, 17:00:28
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 03 July 2015, 00:40:37
Hopefully I get my new space bar before the one on my HHKB shines. I've only had it a week so I have time.
The Shine only develops after you start rubbing that keyboard innocently against your groin for some days.
I figured all HHKB owners did that already ;D .
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 03 July 2015, 00:41:40
Post by: yomammary on Fri, 03 July 2015, 07:27:30
I'm waiting for the second run of pre-production samples. I'm said they are perfect but I want to be sure :):thumb:
Post by: a_ak57 on Sat, 04 July 2015, 22:21:01
Hopefully I get my new space bar before the one on my HHKB shines. I've only had it a week so I have time.Throw a piece of scotch tape on there. Depending on your lighting you may not even notice it.
Post by: nukec on Sun, 05 July 2015, 18:04:51
Post by: awhitedev on Thu, 16 July 2015, 20:15:11
Also, if you know Matt30.. I'm wondering how well the color match ended up turning out for the light gray and dark gray specifically. Were they pretty close to the RF dark gray for instance?
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 17 July 2015, 03:34:35
They are straight with no warping whatsoever. It's a pleasure to type on them, way better than the orignal ABS one. Color matching is till not perfect, but I'll try to ask for another color update for the final version. My goal would be 96% accuracy at least. Also the texture is a pinch smoother than the original maybe, but I actually like it.
The new spacebar mounted on a Leopold 660C, below the original one (with some shine).
(http://i.imgur.com/T7BTzuQ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/UaFKrii.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/y9pyPO5.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/liEEgzF.jpg)
Post by: absyrd on Fri, 17 July 2015, 04:17:53
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 17 July 2015, 05:10:31
Close enough for me, personally. Thanks for update!
Same here :)
That's a lot of blue ones you have there!
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 17 July 2015, 06:09:49
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Fri, 17 July 2015, 06:55:17
Post by: yomammary on Fri, 17 July 2015, 07:20:59
Good job!
Post by: Polymer on Fri, 17 July 2015, 10:05:32
This is really happening...so good..
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 17 July 2015, 10:07:50
Post by: absyrd on Fri, 17 July 2015, 10:35:28
It seems like those high 90 percentages have a margin of error when dealing with whites and blacks, because they say 94% on the dark grey, but that looks so much more black than dark grey to me. The picture of it on the keyboard isn't a good representation to me because it is very low light.
How bright is the room your PC is in?
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 17 July 2015, 11:12:03
It seems like those high 90 percentages have a margin of error when dealing with whites and blacks, because they say 94% on the dark grey, but that looks so much more black than dark grey to me. The picture of it on the keyboard isn't a good representation to me because it is very low light.
you can't f*&#k with math :) It's a very approximate representation for sure. First of all I'm checking against an 8bit RGB color space, which is pretty limited. So a distance of 11 is indeed 95% accuracy but if you think of it, 11 over 256 is not a neglectable amount.
In a room environment, with standard artificial light you can't probably tell the difference once the spacebar is mounted on the keyboard. If you make a 1:1 comparison in good sun light it is clear that the PBT one is darker.
In my opinion the spacebars are pretty good already, but if they give me the chance I'll try to make them even better. Like I said a 96% color match would be very nice.
Post by: awhitedev on Fri, 17 July 2015, 22:29:42
Post by: Bucake on Sat, 18 July 2015, 05:52:03
the texture is a pinch smoother than the original maybe
aww, i prefer extra texture.. :D
anyway, i was careless enough to put scratches on my ABS bar, so there's another reason for me to gladly receive my future PBT bars :)
Post by: ibk11 on Wed, 22 July 2015, 16:38:56
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 22 July 2015, 17:19:42
Hello, newcomer here! Damn, if only my growing obsession w/ mech. boards had led me here slightly sooner, I might have had a chance to order a spacebar. Well if anyone gets too many and wants to sell a black or dark grey one, I'd be very glad. Sorry, I know it isn't cool to ask for a favour in my first post but hey :)
Welcome to Geekhack!
You never know what you might get if you ask ;)
Anyway, these were available on Massdrop, and it looks like 205 people have voted to run them again (minimum needed is 200), so unless Matt has any objection, it is quite possible that these will rise again!
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 22 July 2015, 18:54:29
Post by: ibk11 on Thu, 23 July 2015, 02:36:39
Welcome to Geekhack!
You never know what you might get if you ask ;)
Anyway, these were available on Massdrop, and it looks like 205 people have voted to run them again (minimum needed is 200), so unless Matt has any objection, it is quite possible that these will rise again!
Thanks Rowdy, fingers crossed mate! The ABS spacebar upsets my programmer OCD :) I've registered interest on the Massdrop anyway.
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 23 July 2015, 05:19:35
Welcome to Geekhack!
You never know what you might get if you ask ;)
Anyway, these were available on Massdrop, and it looks like 205 people have voted to run them again (minimum needed is 200), so unless Matt has any objection, it is quite possible that these will rise again!
Thanks Rowdy, fingers crossed mate! The ABS spacebar upsets my programmer OCD :) I've registered interest on the Massdrop anyway.
My HHKB has a noticable patch of shine on the space bar - I'm not complaining for the price I paid for it :) But I know it's there. I know it's there.
Post by: awhitedev on Sun, 26 July 2015, 10:37:27
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 26 July 2015, 10:43:46
Post by: TastaturenAuslese on Sun, 26 July 2015, 17:17:34
Post by: strict on Sun, 26 July 2015, 20:52:22
we are trying to meet the original deadline but realistically it might be pushed by few days.
No worries here, I'll take quality over speed any day of the week. Thanks for the update!
Post by: Bevo on Mon, 27 July 2015, 00:25:12
Post by: Ridillz on Wed, 29 July 2015, 02:55:29
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 29 July 2015, 05:11:27
Post by: maroder on Wed, 29 July 2015, 12:51:30
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 31 July 2015, 13:47:46
Post by: nukec on Fri, 31 July 2015, 18:18:20
we are trying to meet the original deadline but realistically it might be pushed by few days.
I would rather wait and make accuracy higher than it is now. No worries
Post by: Bevo on Fri, 31 July 2015, 20:45:57
Post by: maroder on Sat, 01 August 2015, 11:07:52
I bought one set with one of each color but will probably end up selling it. PM me if you want it and we can work something out when it ships.
PMed you :thumb:
Post by: PocketFool on Sun, 02 August 2015, 16:11:27
the PBT spacebar sounds really great compared to ABS
Have you tested this on any other keyboards besides than the FC660C and HHKB? I'm planning on having one included with my RF87u when I sell it, but if it doesn't make as big of a difference then I'm not 100% sure it's worth the ~2-3week wait to sell it. Also, I'm not sure if anyone has asked yet, but what's the gram weight of the PBT spacebars?
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 02 August 2015, 16:34:05
the PBT spacebar sounds really great compared to ABS
Have you tested this on any other keyboards besides than the FC660C and HHKB? I'm planning on having one included with my RF87u when I sell it, but if it doesn't make as big of a difference then I'm not 100% sure it's worth the ~2-3week wait to sell it. Also, I'm not sure if anyone has asked yet, but what's the gram weight of the PBT spacebars?
yes, it feels great on a RF :) Weight is just a pinch more than abs.
Post by: romevi on Sun, 02 August 2015, 19:01:06
Got mine order in.
Post by: Shinryuu on Thu, 06 August 2015, 06:46:20
Post by: nmur on Thu, 06 August 2015, 06:59:12
I can't believe I totally missed this thing! Such a beauty.
I think some people ordered a lot more space bars then they have topre boards, so you could probably pick one up once they're all out.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Thu, 06 August 2015, 07:00:46
I can't believe I totally missed this thing! Such a beauty.
I think some people ordered a lot more space bars then they have topre boards, so you could probably pick one up once they're all out.
I may have some extras.
Post by: chive_ on Thu, 06 August 2015, 22:22:33
Post by: raymogi on Sat, 08 August 2015, 08:17:53
If anyone is looking to pick up a couple of light grey aka white space bars, I'm willing. Send me a PM if you're interested.
PM sent.
Post by: FullyPresent on Tue, 11 August 2015, 11:43:41
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 11 August 2015, 12:07:12
Post by: Bevo on Tue, 11 August 2015, 20:11:14
Post by: deci on Wed, 12 August 2015, 18:54:04
If anyone wants to let go of any extras, please shoot me a pm.
Post by: U47 on Thu, 13 August 2015, 00:48:44
Searching around looking for dead stock Realforce sets is a real bummer.
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:12:42
Now please bear with me if this has been answered elsewhere, but is there any reason no one has done a GB for a complete Topre set? I'm assuming it's the tooling requirements, right?You might be pleased about matt3o's newest endeavor: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74413.0
Searching around looking for dead stock Realforce sets is a real bummer.
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 13 August 2015, 02:30:55
Now please bear with me if this has been answered elsewhere, but is there any reason no one has done a GB for a complete Topre set? I'm assuming it's the tooling requirements, right?You might be pleased about matt3o's newest endeavor: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74413.0
Searching around looking for dead stock Realforce sets is a real bummer.
Damn Matt, congrats :thumb:
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 13 August 2015, 11:19:59
Post by: a_ak57 on Thu, 13 August 2015, 13:49:30
Post by: oscillik on Thu, 13 August 2015, 13:51:41
Post by: asgeirtj on Thu, 13 August 2015, 15:40:59
Post by: strict on Thu, 13 August 2015, 15:48:25
I'm waiting for the last batch of prototypes in a few days, I'm told they are perfect. Almost there guys, sorry for the delay.
Once everyone gets these in their hands and they are a perfect match no one will mind having been made to wait an extra couple weeks, I know I sure wont! Thanks for all your hard work, Matt3o!
Post by: Bucake on Thu, 13 August 2015, 19:48:30
and i couldn't be more hyped about a bunch of spacebars :D
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 13 August 2015, 21:45:06
we're quite lucky that matt3o actually cares about the result.
and i couldn't be more hyped about a bunch of spacebars :D
Bucake has sprayed it correctly here ;) .
These space-bars are not your average space bars that you can get anywhere, it's HIS design for the much ignored Realforce and then maybe applied to any HHKB (but who truly cares about that anyway).
Anything Matt3o turns his freakish mind to, it happens and we here on Geekhack owe him our immense thank you for even doing this because no one would ever do this BUT Matt3o. That is why I nominate him into the Geekhack Hall of Fame here because this individual has gone beyond what any normal (sane) person would do, to accomplish his dreams and to share it with all of us here on this forum.
It's people like him that makes this place truly unique and a pleasure to visit and we all see what has been done, to provide us what we always desired and wanted to own 8) .
Post by: U47 on Thu, 13 August 2015, 22:09:36
Super awesome!
Now please bear with me if this has been answered elsewhere, but is there any reason no one has done a GB for a complete Topre set? I'm assuming it's the tooling requirements, right?You might be pleased about matt3o's newest endeavor: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74413.0
Searching around looking for dead stock Realforce sets is a real bummer.
Post by: romevi on Thu, 13 August 2015, 22:29:03
I honestly can't tell if you're being sarcastic or genuine.we're quite lucky that matt3o actually cares about the result.
and i couldn't be more hyped about a bunch of spacebars :D
Bucake has sprayed it correctly here ;) .
These space-bars are not your average space bars that you can get anywhere, it's HIS design for the much ignored Realforce and then maybe applied to any HHKB (but who truly cares about that anyway).
Anything Matt3o turns his freakish mind to, it happens and we here on Geekhack owe him our immense thank you for even doing this because no one would ever do this BUT Matt3o. That is why I nominate him into the Geekhack Hall of Fame here because this individual has gone beyond what any normal (sane) person would do, to accomplish his dreams and to share it with all of us here on this forum.
It's people like him that makes this place truly unique and a pleasure to visit and we all see what has been done, to provide us what we always desired and wanted to own 8) .
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 13 August 2015, 23:01:56
I honestly can't tell if you're being sarcastic or genuine.
Don't do sarcasm well but being genuine is easy.
Young people are sarcastic it's in their genes but not when you get older, because we haven't got any time to waste on that anymore 8) .
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 14 August 2015, 01:11:12
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 14 August 2015, 05:01:25
Post by: deci on Tue, 18 August 2015, 05:57:44
just to be clear. 100% color matching is practically impossible. The material is different (ABS vs PBT) and the perceived color is influenced by the texture (and it's impossible to recreate the same texture at the micron-level). That being said we are trying to make it as close as possible.
I thought the approach was to match the pbt alphas on the keyboard... not the actual abs spacebar?
Post by: zah on Wed, 19 August 2015, 19:40:08
.
any thing is better than my worn out abs space bar tbqh :p
Post by: trees on Wed, 19 August 2015, 21:29:56
Post by: temporal on Thu, 20 August 2015, 11:44:17
As I'm going to back away from Topre, my Blue/red set is up for grabs. PM me if your interested.
you dare not turn your back on Topre
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 20 August 2015, 13:54:10
Post by: romevi on Thu, 20 August 2015, 13:57:50
latest samples arrived. they are finally good enough for my standard. I gave the greenlight for mass production.Aww, yeah...
Post by: Air tree on Thu, 20 August 2015, 14:43:14
latest samples arrived. they are finally good enough for my standard. I gave the greenlight for mass production.^-^
It's happening guys, It's really happening!
Hype
Post by: aznairjordan on Thu, 20 August 2015, 15:17:17
latest samples arrived. they are finally good enough for my standard. I gave the greenlight for mass production.
yay! Although this means I probably need to change my shipping address as I will be moving in 2 weeks :'(
Thanks for all your hard work making sure these bars are as close to perfect as they can be!
Post by: _PixelNinja on Thu, 20 August 2015, 15:18:31
Post by: absyrd on Thu, 20 August 2015, 15:18:53
latest samples arrived. they are finally good enough for my standard. I gave the greenlight for mass production.
Yes! Can't wait to test the feels.
Post by: Khers on Thu, 20 August 2015, 16:02:54
Post by: joey on Thu, 20 August 2015, 17:23:07
Post by: strict on Thu, 20 August 2015, 17:52:31
latest samples arrived. they are finally good enough for my standard. I gave the greenlight for mass production.
Excellent news! Any pictures you can share?
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 20 August 2015, 19:45:17
HYPE !
YES, yes, it has finally been unleashed and we shall all succumb to it's glory when it arrives.
Every Realforce (Only real Thorpie) shall be propelled into the hemisphere of supremacy when the spacers get installed. No one shall denigrate this keyboard again because it shall be upgraded to 100% PBT status and it will be good.
God will approve of this and there will be peace and prosperity across the lands as this momentous time approaches for all Realforce Owners :thumb: .
Post by: Air tree on Thu, 20 August 2015, 21:41:27
I resent your disrespect of HHKB's and FC660C's everywhere. :(HYPE !
YES, yes, it has finally been unleashed and we shall all succumb to it's glory when it arrives.
Every Realforce (Only real Thorpie) shall be propelled into the hemisphere of supremacy when the spacers get installed. No one shall denigrate this keyboard again because it shall be upgraded to 100% PBT status and it will be good.
God will approve of this and there will be peace and prosperity across the lands as this momentous time approaches for all Realforce Owners :thumb: .
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 21 August 2015, 00:26:23
I resent your disrespect of HHKB's and FC660C's everywhere. :(
Yes your resentment has been duly noted and has been carefully filed away in between D.N.D.C. and D.T.F. ;)
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 21 August 2015, 00:32:07
I resent your disrespect of HHKB's and FC660C's everywhere. :(
Yes your resentment has been duly noted and has been carefully filed away in between D.N.D.C. and D.T.F. ;)
(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/CurtisandCrystal/Curts%20Random%20Funny%20Picks/Moes%20Tavern%20Laughing.gif)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 21 August 2015, 17:11:59
(http://i.imgur.com/fifMerc.jpg)
Post by: wlhlm on Fri, 21 August 2015, 17:13:45
dark gray is the new blackFits right in there with the other keys. Nice job!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fifMerc.jpg)
Post by: Latin00032 on Fri, 21 August 2015, 17:28:52
dark gray is the new blackSweetShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/fifMerc.jpg)
Post by: romevi on Fri, 21 August 2015, 18:05:21
Post by: RoflCopter4 on Fri, 21 August 2015, 20:14:10
Post by: ibk11 on Sat, 22 August 2015, 14:59:17
Post by: Frenir on Mon, 24 August 2015, 17:00:43
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:45:04
(http://i.imgur.com/OAqYAZg.jpg)
Post by: nmur on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:49:07
On HHKB. I believe color matching is in the 98-99% range now.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OAqYAZg.jpg)
Perfect dude, well done.
Post by: retrochick on Tue, 25 August 2015, 12:05:49
On HHKB. I believe color matching is in the 98-99% range now.So awesome! Can't wait for these to ship :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OAqYAZg.jpg)
Post by: yomammary on Tue, 25 August 2015, 12:38:42
Post by: Neo.X on Tue, 25 August 2015, 14:50:23
Post by: a_ak57 on Tue, 25 August 2015, 22:02:29
Post by: Kinaesthetic on Wed, 26 August 2015, 00:48:51
Post by: CommonCurt on Wed, 26 August 2015, 00:58:25
On HHKB. I believe color matching is in the 98-99% range now.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OAqYAZg.jpg)
Excellent color match. Good work Matt.
Post by: sth on Wed, 26 August 2015, 01:42:43
On HHKB. I believe color matching is in the 98-99% range now.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OAqYAZg.jpg)
nigh imperceptible
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 26 August 2015, 03:55:26
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 26 August 2015, 07:02:13
The thread is on Deskthority (read the ruleshere: http://deskthority.net/for-sale-f55/topre-pbt-spacebars-pre-production-samples-t11430.html ) but you can PM me with your request here on GH too.
Post by: dustinhxc on Wed, 26 August 2015, 07:24:34
Post by: saturnotaku on Tue, 01 September 2015, 14:54:41
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 01 September 2015, 22:23:48
If you missed the original GB and you are okay with pre-production samples, I have some for sale
The thread is on Deskthority (read the ruleshere: http://deskthority.net/for-sale-f55/topre-pbt-spacebars-pre-production-samples-t11430.html (http://deskthority.net/for-sale-f55/topre-pbt-spacebars-pre-production-samples-t11430.html) ) but you can PM me with your request here on GH too.
Damn boy, now ya gonna be gangraped by every Thorpie Nerd around the planet for these Spacers.
You're fault for making these so luscious and desirable, you're such a massive tease 8) .
Post by: a_ak57 on Thu, 03 September 2015, 13:11:56
Quote
We have some great news to share with everyone. Our most recent color samples were approved, and the manufacturing process is already underway. After a little bit of due diligence, we had our manufacturer kick off the whole production process earlier this week on Monday. Turn-around time is estimated to be at 10 days, so the estimate is for finished goods to be on hand by 9/10.
As we get closer to the completion date, we will schedule a pick-up with our freight forwarder to transport all our cargo to our warehouse in New Jersey. From there, our team will break down the bulk order and prepare all your individual orders for shipment. With transit time from the manufacturer’s being a week, we are estimating that order fulfillment from our warehouse will take place around the 21st of September.
We are due for a check in with our manufacturer early next week.
Expect an update from us by the end of the day Pacific Time on 9/7 or sooner if something comes up.
Only a few weeks left.
Post by: Kinaesthetic on Thu, 03 September 2015, 15:18:11
Saw this update on massdrop:QuoteWe have some great news to share with everyone. Our most recent color samples were approved, and the manufacturing process is already underway. After a little bit of due diligence, we had our manufacturer kick off the whole production process earlier this week on Monday. Turn-around time is estimated to be at 10 days, so the estimate is for finished goods to be on hand by 9/10.
As we get closer to the completion date, we will schedule a pick-up with our freight forwarder to transport all our cargo to our warehouse in New Jersey. From there, our team will break down the bulk order and prepare all your individual orders for shipment. With transit time from the manufacturer’s being a week, we are estimating that order fulfillment from our warehouse will take place around the 21st of September.
We are due for a check in with our manufacturer early next week.
Expect an update from us by the end of the day Pacific Time on 9/7 or sooner if something comes up.
Only a few weeks left.
Even less if you purchased the prototype bars from Matt3o :P!
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 03 September 2015, 19:16:50
Only a few weeks left.
Time to make ready all your RF's for some decent spacers :thumb: .
Even any first timers should run out and buy one keyboard just to see what it's like to type, with these new babies installed.
Post by: dustinhxc on Fri, 04 September 2015, 14:58:28
If anyone wants to hook me up with a white one or 2 Id be very grateful.
Post by: absyrd on Fri, 04 September 2015, 15:13:20
Woohoo just got spacebars! 2 white, 2 black, 1 blue, and 1 red. Dang, the white ones (only ones I wanted to use for the rest of time) both are warped along the back and front.. >.<
If anyone wants to hook me up with a white one or 2 Id be very grateful.
Let us hope this isn't the case for the final batch. When ordering I always knew there was a chance of this, especially considering they chose ABS for the stock one.
Post by: dustinhxc on Fri, 04 September 2015, 15:13:53
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 04 September 2015, 17:21:22
I assume it's because it's a test version.
no, that shouldn't happen. or you've been incredibly unlucky or they warped during shipping. Anyway I'll send you another couple white ones. Worry not.
Post by: dustinhxc on Fri, 04 September 2015, 19:01:05
Post by: Kinaesthetic on Sat, 12 September 2015, 11:47:32
After doing a little doctoring, and using the other three usable bars, I have to say I'm incredibly impressed. They have a slightly rougher texture on top, one that is more similar to the regular PBT alphas that you'd find on a Topre board. It is VERY pleasing to touch, and not slippery at all.
Also, the sound. Oh god, the sound. After a little bit of doctoring, they DO NOT PING LIKE THE ABS BARS DID. Nice. NICE healthy thock. I cannot stress this enough. If you've ever used the ABS bars on a Realforce (I cannot say anything about HHKB/660C since I don't have them), there was always kinda a ping on the downstroke when the ABS spacebar hit the backplate when bottoming out. At least that is how it sounded like to me.
In regards to color matching, the white and the blue (based off what I remember when I had my blue RF set before selling it) are incredibly well matched. I couldn't tell the difference from the colored Realforce sets and these spacebars if I tried (and I'm not colorblind). I don't have a red RF set to compare them to, so I can't tell. The black is such a sumptuous black color that I've actually taken to using it on my board, over all the other three colors. I cannot compare this color matching either, but you can see Matt3o's previous picture about them to see that color matching.
Overall, this is just my review and 2 cents from the current prototype bars that Matt3o was selling over on DA. But I honestly cannot wait to see the production spacebars. Since those are most likely going to be significantly more polished than these.
I'll try taking some pictures later on once my camera finishes charging and edit this post.
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 12 September 2015, 20:04:16
Also, the sound. Oh god, the sound. After a little bit of doctoring, they DO NOT PING LIKE THE ABS BARS DID. Nice. NICE healthy thock. I cannot stress this enough. If you've ever used the ABS bars on a Realforce (I cannot say anything about HHKB/660C since I don't have them), there was always kinda a ping on the downstroke when the ABS spacebar hit the backplate when bottoming out. At least that is how it sounded like to me.
Only a real Thorpie user knows the dreaded tinny sound, their space bar makes when used repeatedly >:( . Usually you suffer the sound just because it's the norm when owning and using these type of keyboards, but now since Matt3o entered the scene, with his 100% PBT spacers we have been shone the LIGHT.
No more putting up with cheap sounding, tinny space bars, on their keyboard. Instead he has now elevated the humble RF keyboard into something truly amazing for all users.
In fact dare I say it, he maybe the only one responsible now in pushing more people to buy a Thorpie switched keyboard and the manufacturers should be thanking him for doing this :thumb: .
Post by: strict on Sat, 12 September 2015, 20:14:16
Also, the sound. Oh god, the sound. After a little bit of doctoring, they DO NOT PING LIKE THE ABS BARS DID. Nice. NICE healthy thock. I cannot stress this enough. If you've ever used the ABS bars on a Realforce (I cannot say anything about HHKB/660C since I don't have them), there was always kinda a ping on the downstroke when the ABS spacebar hit the backplate when bottoming out. At least that is how it sounded like to me.
Only a real Thorpie user knows the dreaded tinny sound, their space bar makes when used repeatedly >:( . Usually you suffer the sound just because it's the norm when owning and using these type of keyboards, but now since Matt3o entered the scene, with his 100% PBT spacers we have been shone the LIGHT.
No more putting up with cheap sounding, tinny space bars, on their keyboard. Instead he has now elevated the humble RF keyboard into something truly amazing for all users.
In fact dare I say it, he maybe the only one responsible now in pushing more people to buy a Thorpie switched keyboard and the manufacturers should be thanking him for doing this :thumb: .
I can say for sure I've been buying Topre boards to go along with all the spacebars I ordered :))
Post by: Vizir on Tue, 15 September 2015, 09:38:44
Quote
While the finished spacebars have been ready for a couple of days now, scheduling a pick-up with our freight forwarder took longer than anticipated. Our vendor confirmed that the cargo was just picked up from their location. The spacebars are now en-route to our warehouse and should arrive in about a week! Look for order fulfillment to occur towards early next week.Expect an update from us by the end of the day Pacific Time on 9/21 or sooner if something comes up.
Post by: dustinhxc on Tue, 15 September 2015, 16:38:01
Post by: absyrd on Tue, 15 September 2015, 16:51:33
Just got an update email from MD.QuoteWhile the finished spacebars have been ready for a couple of days now, scheduling a pick-up with our freight forwarder took longer than anticipated. Our vendor confirmed that the cargo was just picked up from their location. The spacebars are now en-route to our warehouse and should arrive in about a week! Look for order fulfillment to occur towards early next week.Expect an update from us by the end of the day Pacific Time on 9/21 or sooner if something comes up.
Hmmm... I didn't get this email update. Usually do. Thanks for sharing.
Post by: proselytiser on Thu, 17 September 2015, 02:49:21
Post by: admiralvorian on Wed, 23 September 2015, 13:10:42
yessssss
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 23 September 2015, 16:47:16
"Massdrop is shipping you a package!"
yessssss
Just got my notification as well!
Post by: Bucake on Wed, 23 September 2015, 17:02:53
i didn't receive a notification/mail, for some reason?
edit: lol! received the mail as i was typing this post :)
tracking doesn't seem to work, however.
edit: woops. "If the tracking page shows "No results" for your tracking number, please try again in a day or two. Rest assured, your package is on its way."
PBT topre bars, peeps!
hail matt3o!
Post by: oscillik on Thu, 24 September 2015, 03:17:38
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 24 September 2015, 03:39:15
Don't everyone get too excited. Apparently, just because the pop is visiting the US, that means that deliveries have to get delayed?!
yeh apparently dhl global mail is severely impacted by papal movements
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 24 September 2015, 04:17:51
Don't everyone get too excited. Apparently, just because the pop is visiting the US, that means that deliveries have to get delayed?!
yeh apparently dhl global mail is severely impacted by papal movements
Relax my Son, this is the Lord's work trying to make you appreciate what you shall receive 8) .
Post by: raymogi on Thu, 24 September 2015, 05:39:15
Hoping the one from this GB is perfect :)
Post by: temporal on Thu, 24 September 2015, 13:59:12
that afternoon I got the shipping notification for this gb
...magic! :thumb:
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 24 September 2015, 14:19:07
Post by: XMIT on Thu, 24 September 2015, 15:11:34
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 24 September 2015, 22:17:06
Got my shipping notification :) Can't wait to see these in person.
You'll feel like a VIRGIN, seeing something long and slender reveal itself within your presence.
You shall no longer be a Geekhack PBT Virgin anymore and I'm sure it shall be far more than what you would normally expect ;) .
Post by: absyrd on Fri, 25 September 2015, 04:44:27
Post by: nickheller on Fri, 25 September 2015, 07:51:58
Post by: a_ak57 on Sat, 26 September 2015, 15:31:24
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Post by: strict on Sat, 26 September 2015, 18:16:18
Post by: Bucake on Sat, 26 September 2015, 18:17:39
mine still have some flying to do, but i'm hyped :)
would anyone care to get my (white RF 87U) ABS spacebar, if i can find a cheap way to send it?
Post by: Air tree on Sat, 26 September 2015, 18:20:31
Curse you and your expected delivery date. :'(
Post by: XMIT on Sat, 26 September 2015, 20:07:07
Post by: Coin-op Adjutant on Sun, 27 September 2015, 09:44:51
a_ak57, I'm guessing that's a red ESC from EK? If so, I'll have t okeep an eye out for a restock on the blank reds. Both I and my FC660C are quite excited.
Does anyone know if the blue PBT spacebar matches the blue ESC from this EK set: https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,toprekeys&pid=pd_kb400kt01 (https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,toprekeys&pid=pd_kb400kt01) ? If so, well, shoot. I may have to get a HHKB to match as well...
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 27 September 2015, 10:09:30
Does anyone know if the blue PBT spacebar matches the blue ESC from this EK set: https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,toprekeys&pid=pd_kb400kt01 (https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,toprekeys&pid=pd_kb400kt01) ? If so, well, shoot. I may have to get a HHKB to match as well...
yes it does... at least we tried :)
Post by: Bucake on Sun, 27 September 2015, 10:46:02
I'll have t okeep an eye out for a restock on the blank reds. Both I and my FC660C are quite excited.
it's in stock on EK:
https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,toprekeys&pid=hh_redescn
so.. the blank red (H-REDESCN) color-matches the limited edition red ctrl(caps lock) (https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,toprekeys&pid=pd_kb400kt01), and also the red pbt spacebar?
also, is there a blank blue left ctrl(caps lock)?
also, why do i buy everything?
help
Post by: Polymer on Sun, 27 September 2015, 12:19:48
The Red Topre ESCs I've seen are darker than the red ctrl...which might be different than the red RF set although in some pictures they look the same and some they look different...
I'll be able to compare it to the red esc I have and the red RF set I have once I get them in..
Post by: a_ak57 on Sun, 27 September 2015, 12:43:27
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 27 September 2015, 12:44:39
Post by: TopreFan333 on Mon, 28 September 2015, 00:39:44
Post by: Air tree on Mon, 28 September 2015, 16:56:49
The only bad moment was when I was trying to take it off again after putting it back on, to loosen it as matt3o said, It hurt my thumbs like hell. It was almost impossible to get off, a bit painful. :))
Now that it's on in it's correctly flipped manner, all is well.
Post by: Baxter on Mon, 28 September 2015, 17:27:22
Post by: Bucake on Mon, 28 September 2015, 19:16:55
Processing Completed at Origin
Fri, September 25, 2015 at 12:30 PM ET
Secaucus, NJ, US
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 28 September 2015, 20:44:02
Mine arrived too, colour and texture are perfect, all praises to Matt3o!
You better do that because he is the FIRST one ever to make an all PBT space bar for the Thorpie regime.
While others would talk about it for years and make empty promises, Matt3o got on with the job to produce it, you better thank him for this :thumb: .
Post by: Charizard on Tue, 29 September 2015, 00:58:32
Post by: XMIT on Tue, 29 September 2015, 04:39:57
Post by: KatzenKinder on Tue, 29 September 2015, 05:04:16
Super pleased with the color and feel :)
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 29 September 2015, 05:45:06
Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/29/66cc9c41600df61a6478a414946b1bed.jpg)
Super pleased with the color and feel :)
Looks great with that V2!
Post by: absyrd on Tue, 29 September 2015, 05:51:19
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 29 September 2015, 06:05:26
Mine says delivered but I don't have them. :(
Maybe your friendly next door neighbour, took the package and now they're residing in his RF keyboards :p .
Post by: absyrd on Tue, 29 September 2015, 06:14:36
Post by: Bucake on Tue, 29 September 2015, 06:39:40
Post by: XMIT on Tue, 29 September 2015, 11:20:56
Post by: Khers on Tue, 29 September 2015, 14:28:24
mine apparently haven't moved since the 25th :(Same for me :(
Processing Completed at Origin
Fri, September 25, 2015 at 12:30 PM ET
Secaucus, NJ, US
Post by: admiralvorian on Tue, 29 September 2015, 17:10:37
Mine says delivered but I don't have them. :(
same here :(
Post by: perost on Tue, 29 September 2015, 17:14:07
mine apparently haven't moved since the 25th :(That's because DHL apparently doesn't bother tracking these kinds of packages once they leave USA. Using the tracking number displayed under "Delivery by Postal provider" on the DHL page with trackitonline.org shows that my package (on it's way to Sweden) has just arrived at "international place of exchange", whatever that means.
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 29 September 2015, 18:52:40
i've had a package delived at 11, while i live at 17. could something similar have happened?
It happens here as well. Problem is if I go personally down to his place to ask for any of my packages, there will be an all out fight, just can't help myself when I see his stupid face.
Hence I send the Mrs, she has a way of extracting anything from anybody, quite easily 8) .
Post by: neunelfer on Tue, 29 September 2015, 18:59:03
Unfortunately, both of my black space bars have pretty obvious mold/swirl lines on them. The white has it but it's not nearly as noticeable.
(http://i.imgur.com/bJk7Wv5.jpg)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 29 September 2015, 21:17:32
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 30 September 2015, 02:15:46
Space bars are awesome, forgot I had ordered two sets of white + black.
Unfortunately, both of my black space bars have pretty obvious mold/swirl lines on them. The white has it but it's not nearly as noticeable.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bJk7Wv5.jpg)
it appears to be superficial, I had a couple of those, try to clean it with a soft cloth and isopropyl alcohol.
Post by: Bucake on Wed, 30 September 2015, 05:08:00
any outside-of-the-US-person with an update to theirs? :)
Post by: perost on Wed, 30 September 2015, 05:29:53
any outside-of-the-US-person with an update to theirs? :)I'm able to track my package using the Swedish post now, by using the tracking number provided by DHL. Unfortunately it says that my package is stuck in Swedish customs at the moment. I have a feeling my spacebars are going to turn out to be very expensive...
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 30 September 2015, 05:34:42
the track'n trace is no good, so i'm just hoping and waiting..
any outside-of-the-US-person with an update to theirs? :)
"Transportation to Destination Country"
I hate dhl
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 30 September 2015, 05:51:02
the track'n trace is no good, so i'm just hoping and waiting..
any outside-of-the-US-person with an update to theirs? :)
Here in Australia no sign of them here yet. But hey this is the postal service hence you get use to their tardiness when it comes to expecting your gear to arrive at a timely manner.
Post by: yomammary on Wed, 30 September 2015, 07:53:36
Post by: Hypersphere on Wed, 30 September 2015, 08:24:50
Post by: oscillik on Wed, 30 September 2015, 12:56:17
The colour matching is damn near perfect. I honestly didn't expect them to be so close.
Post by: Bucake on Thu, 01 October 2015, 07:05:11
my guess is i receive them early next week :)
Post by: raymogi on Thu, 01 October 2015, 07:06:55
Post by: Coin-op Adjutant on Thu, 01 October 2015, 07:11:30
Will probably post pics later, but oh my goodness these look so nice on my Leopold. Feels great, too. One thing to note is that it took a couple tries to properly seat my blue one on the stabilizers--they rattled like crazy the first couple of times, and on the third time I seem to have got it right.
Anyways, good stuff. The Leopold's plate-mounted "thock" works so well with the deeper tone of the PBT spacebars. Love 'em, and thanks again Matt3o for doing this. I just need matching ESC and/or CTRL sets to do them justice. :D
Post by: TopreFan333 on Thu, 01 October 2015, 11:10:51
Post by: TopreFan333 on Thu, 01 October 2015, 11:12:35
The Leopold's plate-mounted "thock" works so well with the deeper tone of the PBT spacebars.
Same on my HHKB. I really bought them for the durability, but it never occurred to me how much deeper and better these would sound when hit!
Post by: neunelfer on Thu, 01 October 2015, 17:09:33
Space bars are awesome, forgot I had ordered two sets of white + black.
Unfortunately, both of my black space bars have pretty obvious mold/swirl lines on them. The white has it but it's not nearly as noticeable.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bJk7Wv5.jpg)
it appears to be superficial, I had a couple of those, try to clean it with a soft cloth and isopropyl alcohol.
After a decent amount of rubbing with IPA, the marks are less noticeable. Thanks Matt3o!
Post by: daviswalkers on Thu, 01 October 2015, 17:23:29
Space bars are awesome, forgot I had ordered two sets of white + black.
Unfortunately, both of my black space bars have pretty obvious mold/swirl lines on them. The white has it but it's not nearly as noticeable.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bJk7Wv5.jpg)
it appears to be superficial, I had a couple of those, try to clean it with a soft cloth and isopropyl alcohol.
After a decent amount of rubbing with IPA, the marks are less noticeable. Thanks Matt3o!
You could also try #flippedspacebarmasterrace which would show way less of the side of the spacebar to hide any remaining residue!
Post by: robertsig on Thu, 01 October 2015, 18:33:03
Thanks for the group buy!
Post by: chiefgrillz on Thu, 01 October 2015, 19:38:49
for those of us unlucky enough to miss out matt3o any thoughts on another round?
if anyone has any unwanted space bars who need a good home please message me.. i have hungry 87Us to feed ;D
Post by: _PixelNinja on Fri, 02 October 2015, 08:18:51
Thank you Sir Robotus Emeratus for making this happen.
Post by: daerid on Fri, 02 October 2015, 12:30:46
Post by: 00zeRO on Fri, 02 October 2015, 16:04:59
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 02 October 2015, 16:40:58
actually I would like to thank MD, the only company that believed in the project since the beginning. So if this was possible is mostly thank to Andrew first and Kunal later from MD.
And of course I want to thank the director and the screenwriters and all the crew members, my wonderful wife and... oh no, sorry, that's a different speech.
Post by: romevi on Fri, 02 October 2015, 16:45:11
thanks guys, I'm glad the product is up to the expectations.
actually I would like to thank MD, the only company that believed in the project since the beginning. So if this was possible is mostly thank to Andrew first and Kunal later from MD.
And of course I want to thank the director and the screenwriters and all the crew members, my wonderful wife and... oh no, sorry, that's a different speech.
Andrew and kunal are top-notch guys. They seem really active in the mech side of things on Massdrop, and have consistently addressed many of the concerns there (at least from what I've seen). I wouldn't be surprised if they were active members on here, DT, and/or /r/mechanicalkeyboards.
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 02 October 2015, 17:23:37
thanks guys, I'm glad the product is up to the expectations.
actually I would like to thank MD, the only company that believed in the project since the beginning. So if this was possible is mostly thank to Andrew first and Kunal later from MD.
And of course I want to thank the director and the screenwriters and all the crew members, my wonderful wife and... oh no, sorry, that's a different speech.
Andrew and kunal are top-notch guys. They seem really active in the mech side of things on Massdrop, and have consistently addressed many of the concerns there (at least from what I've seen). I wouldn't be surprised if they were active members on here, DT, and/or /r/mechanicalkeyboards.
Are they active on here at all?
Post by: romevi on Fri, 02 October 2015, 17:50:27
thanks guys, I'm glad the product is up to the expectations.
actually I would like to thank MD, the only company that believed in the project since the beginning. So if this was possible is mostly thank to Andrew first and Kunal later from MD.
And of course I want to thank the director and the screenwriters and all the crew members, my wonderful wife and... oh no, sorry, that's a different speech.
Andrew and kunal are top-notch guys. They seem really active in the mech side of things on Massdrop, and have consistently addressed many of the concerns there (at least from what I've seen). I wouldn't be surprised if they were active members on here, DT, and/or /r/mechanicalkeyboards.
Are they active on here at all?
Oops. Meant just members. Or at least lurkers.
Was thinking "active" from their activity on MD.
Post by: yomammary on Fri, 02 October 2015, 18:58:50
Feels great, looks great and sounds great :thumb:
Post by: RoflCopter4 on Sun, 04 October 2015, 14:28:22
Love them. Have noticed small blemishes on all six of them in the same spot, which was probably a problem with the original dye, and all of them have very slight warping, however the effect is barely noticeable. I have however noticed that they are a tad "friction-ey" on my HHKB. Should I lube the stabilizer stem things to solve this?
Post by: neunelfer on Sun, 04 October 2015, 18:20:55
Finally got mine in the mail. Strange as I didn't get any kind of delivery notification from Massdrop and they ignored my email asking about this, but turns out they did ship it after all.
Love them. Have noticed small blemishes on all six of them in the same spot, which was probably a problem with the original dye, and all of them have very slight warping, however the effect is barely noticeable. I have however noticed that they are a tad "friction-ey" on my HHKB. Should I lube the stabilizer stem things to solve this?
Make sure they're pushed down firmly in all three spots, I found that they were a little harder to seat on the stabilizers than the original spacebar.
Post by: CommonCurt on Sun, 04 October 2015, 20:44:06
Post by: dante on Sun, 04 October 2015, 21:16:53
Post by: Bomble on Sun, 04 October 2015, 21:25:58
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 04 October 2015, 21:27:59
Got my spacebars a few days ago, and they look really good, but they are a slightly different color then caps on my white FC660C.
Suspect the colours on your FC660C isn't Realforce Colours, which is what Matt3o has based them on.
RFs are sold more throughout the world than any FC660C keyboard, hence you base the colour schemes upon the most sold.
Post by: CommonCurt on Sun, 04 October 2015, 21:54:57
Got my spacebars a few days ago, and they look really good, but they are a slightly different color then caps on my white FC660C.
Suspect the colours on your FC660C isn't Realforce Colours, which is what Matt3o has based them on.
RFs are sold more throughout the world than any FC660C keyboard, hence you base the colour schemes upon the most sold.
Yeah, to me it looks like HHKB & RF use a light greyish white, and the FC660C uses more yellow in their white.
I'll post some pictures soon to show the difference. I'm still going to keep them because I'm sure I'll end up getting a white RF (if I can find a all 45g), or HHKB eventually.
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 05 October 2015, 01:07:55
Post by: yomammary on Mon, 05 October 2015, 08:05:04
Same.Finally got mine in the mail. Strange as I didn't get any kind of delivery notification from Massdrop and they ignored my email asking about this, but turns out they did ship it after all.
Love them. Have noticed small blemishes on all six of them in the same spot, which was probably a problem with the original dye, and all of them have very slight warping, however the effect is barely noticeable. I have however noticed that they are a tad "friction-ey" on my HHKB. Should I lube the stabilizer stem things to solve this?
Make sure they're pushed down firmly in all three spots, I found that they were a little harder to seat on the stabilizers than the original spacebar.
Post by: sth on Mon, 05 October 2015, 09:51:34
i got an update today. it said the bars have arrived in Frankfurt (DE).
my guess is i receive them early next week :)
i got mine in NL today, i hope yours reach you soon!
Post by: Bucake on Mon, 05 October 2015, 10:04:35
i got mine in NL today, i hope yours reach you soon!
oh, snap! :D
pls topre gods..
Post by: Khers on Mon, 05 October 2015, 12:13:07
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 05 October 2015, 22:25:25
Such Space.
Many PBT.
So PBT.
Wow!
Except ... the white one sticks a bit at the bottom of the stroke. Most times it comes back up sufficiently that the space does not repeat across the screen, but it is definitely noticable whilst typing, and feels odd. The black one (and the stock space bar) do not exhibit this issue.
Anyone else experienced this?
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Post by: Elrick on Mon, 05 October 2015, 23:47:01
Very received!
Such Space.
Many PBT.
So PBT.
Wow!
Except ... the white one sticks a bit at the bottom of the stroke. Most times it comes back up sufficiently that the space does not repeat across the screen, but it is definitely noticable whilst typing, and feels odd. The black one (and the stock space bar) do not exhibit this issue.
Anyone else experienced this?
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Rowds, you got yours first before me :'( .
The RFs are now sad because there is no upgrade just yet, see what happens when you deny them their PBT spacers.
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 05 October 2015, 23:52:18
Very received!
Such Space.
Many PBT.
So PBT.
Wow!
Except ... the white one sticks a bit at the bottom of the stroke. Most times it comes back up sufficiently that the space does not repeat across the screen, but it is definitely noticable whilst typing, and feels odd. The black one (and the stock space bar) do not exhibit this issue.
Anyone else experienced this?
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Rowds, you got yours first before me :'( .
The RFs are now sad because there is no upgrade just yet, see what happens when you deny them their PBT spacers.
Yours shouldn't be too far behind!
Post by: Polymer on Tue, 06 October 2015, 00:08:25
Except ... the white one sticks a bit at the bottom of the stroke. Most times it comes back up sufficiently that the space does not repeat across the screen, but it is definitely noticable whilst typing, and feels odd. The black one (and the stock space bar) do not exhibit this issue.
Anyone else experienced this?
Based on what others have said, you need to make sure it is set properly on all three points..which if not, seems to add some added friction because I'd imagine the stabilizer is off...
Hoping to get mine soon...
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 06 October 2015, 00:43:21
Except ... the white one sticks a bit at the bottom of the stroke. Most times it comes back up sufficiently that the space does not repeat across the screen, but it is definitely noticable whilst typing, and feels odd. The black one (and the stock space bar) do not exhibit this issue.
Anyone else experienced this?
Based on what others have said, you need to make sure it is set properly on all three points..which if not, seems to add some added friction because I'd imagine the stabilizer is off...
Hoping to get mine soon...
It was, I removed it and tried the black one, and the original. I've tried the white one three separate times now, and pressed both sides and the middle, and it consistently gets stuck about half way up on most presses.
Post by: yomammary on Tue, 06 October 2015, 07:21:41
I'm currently using the white one and do not have that problem. But it's not on a HHKB.Except ... the white one sticks a bit at the bottom of the stroke. Most times it comes back up sufficiently that the space does not repeat across the screen, but it is definitely noticable whilst typing, and feels odd. The black one (and the stock space bar) do not exhibit this issue.
Anyone else experienced this?
Based on what others have said, you need to make sure it is set properly on all three points..which if not, seems to add some added friction because I'd imagine the stabilizer is off...
Hoping to get mine soon...
It was, I removed it and tried the black one, and the original. I've tried the white one three separate times now, and pressed both sides and the middle, and it consistently gets stuck about half way up on most presses.
Post by: geniekid on Tue, 06 October 2015, 07:57:46
I'm currently using the white one and do not have that problem. But it's not on a HHKB.Except ... the white one sticks a bit at the bottom of the stroke. Most times it comes back up sufficiently that the space does not repeat across the screen, but it is definitely noticable whilst typing, and feels odd. The black one (and the stock space bar) do not exhibit this issue.
Anyone else experienced this?
Based on what others have said, you need to make sure it is set properly on all three points..which if not, seems to add some added friction because I'd imagine the stabilizer is off...
Hoping to get mine soon...
It was, I removed it and tried the black one, and the original. I've tried the white one three separate times now, and pressed both sides and the middle, and it consistently gets stuck about half way up on most presses.
I'm using a white spacebar on my HHKB. At first it was quite sluggish (though it never actually stuck) but after a couple days of use it broke in nicely. I can't tell the difference between the PBT and the original one any more. Not sure if this will work for you since yours seems stickier than mine but it's worth a try.
Post by: Bucake on Tue, 06 October 2015, 08:05:49
(http://i.imgur.com/omWqxzo.jpg)
muhahahahaha
edit: thanks matt3o :D
Post by: Bevo on Tue, 06 October 2015, 08:11:33
Post by: Polymer on Tue, 06 October 2015, 09:24:23
Hoping someone can figure out an easy way to heat and get em straight...that'd make them perfect...
Post by: trees on Tue, 06 October 2015, 09:26:32
Bit concerned about the warped space bars since that was the whole reason these were ABS to begin with right?
Hoping someone can figure out an easy way to heat and get em straight...that'd make them perfect...
I previously put a large book on mine and gently heated it with a blow drier on low for a minute or two. Then let it cool with the book on it still.
Post by: Hypersphere on Tue, 06 October 2015, 10:57:51
Just checking -- Do you have the auxiliary spring installed under the spacebar?
Except ... the white one sticks a bit at the bottom of the stroke. Most times it comes back up sufficiently that the space does not repeat across the screen, but it is definitely noticable whilst typing, and feels odd. The black one (and the stock space bar) do not exhibit this issue.
Anyone else experienced this?
Post by: Polymer on Tue, 06 October 2015, 11:15:21
Bit concerned about the warped space bars since that was the whole reason these were ABS to begin with right?
Hoping someone can figure out an easy way to heat and get em straight...that'd make them perfect...
I previously put a large book on mine and gently heated it with a blow drier on low for a minute or two. Then let it cool with the book on it still.
I was going to try something very similar...but thanks for the information...
Post by: strict on Tue, 06 October 2015, 11:48:32
Bit concerned about the warped space bars since that was the whole reason these were ABS to begin with right?
Hoping someone can figure out an easy way to heat and get em straight...that'd make them perfect...
Can confirm the hair dyer trick. My Granite PBT set arrived with almost every key >1.5u warped like crazy. I was able to straighten them all out by heating them up nice and hot with a hair dryer and slowly bending/tweaking them as needed. Take your time and make sure not to over-do it, its better to make multiple smaller attempts than it is to try and do it all at once.
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 06 October 2015, 19:45:55
muhahahahahahaShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/omWqxzo.jpg)
muhahahahaha
edit: thanks matt3o :D
Bucake you lucky DAWG.
Now your RFs can all be elevated into the stratosphere of Thorpie Perfection 8) .
Post by: Bevo on Tue, 06 October 2015, 19:54:32
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 06 October 2015, 20:05:52
Just checking -- Do you have the auxiliary spring installed under the spacebar?
Except ... the white one sticks a bit at the bottom of the stroke. Most times it comes back up sufficiently that the space does not repeat across the screen, but it is definitely noticable whilst typing, and feels odd. The black one (and the stock space bar) do not exhibit this issue.
Anyone else experienced this?
Yes. It was there originally, and is still there now.
I've been using the black space bar since yesterday, and it's fine.
geniekid mentioned breaking in the space bar - I'll put the white one back on and see what happens after a day or two.
Post by: Bucake on Tue, 06 October 2015, 20:13:13
Now your RFs can all be elevated into the stratosphere of Thorpie Perfection 8) .
eh? i'm just saving these to sell for 1 million dollars in 40 years :cool:
I think im going to go back to the ABS spacebar. The fell of the new spacebar doesn't do it for me.
!admin_ban "Bevo"
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 06 October 2015, 20:14:09
Yes. It was there originally, and is still there now.
I've been using the black space bar since yesterday, and it's fine.
geniekid mentioned breaking in the space bar - I'll put the white one back on and see what happens after a day or two.
Rowdy, have you tried lube on that white spacer yet?
Maybe giving a little KY on the noisy/tight fitting part will help alleviate some of it's rough action (know from personal experience here).
Post by: Bevo on Tue, 06 October 2015, 20:20:56
I think im going to go back to the ABS spacebar. The fell of the new spacebar doesn't do it for me.
!admin_ban "Bevo"
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Post by: rowdy on Tue, 06 October 2015, 20:49:39
Yes. It was there originally, and is still there now.
I've been using the black space bar since yesterday, and it's fine.
geniekid mentioned breaking in the space bar - I'll put the white one back on and see what happens after a day or two.
Rowdy, have you tried lube on that white spacer yet?
Maybe giving a little KY on the noisy/tight fitting part will help alleviate some of it's rough action (know from personal experience here).
Not yet, although the original space bar and the black PBT space bar work perfectly, just the white PBT space bar seems hesitant to return all the way up, and sounds muted when pressed.
Post by: HungryPillow on Wed, 07 October 2015, 06:03:42
(http://i.imgur.com/IL7BddZ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Md6n9Jm.jpg)
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Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 07 October 2015, 07:31:39
I just received my space bars and they feel great! However, they seem to have a bit of discoloration to them with the black one being the most obvious. Does everyone else have this as well or is it just me?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/IL7BddZ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Md6n9Jm.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MQXXLMm.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/H65p6So.jpg)
From what I've seen in the thread you can clean it off
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 07 October 2015, 08:33:42
I think im going to go back to the ABS spacebar. The fell of the new spacebar doesn't do it for me.
!admin_ban "Bevo"
:eek: How rude
Also, on topic, my spacebars are still at my parent's, but I got a few already thanks to livingspeedbump (had a big bag at his meetup). :thumb: Good stuff. ;D
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 07 October 2015, 20:15:10
Hence it looks like they've finally arrived, I can hear all my RFs screaming for these babies ;D .
Good work Matt3o, it looks like you've delivered on an all PBT spacer set that is the envy of all Thorpie lovers everywhere (except for those that are seriously disturbed, wanting to still use ABS.......yuck).
Post by: Bevo on Wed, 07 October 2015, 20:44:58
Mrs says there is a Plain Brown Coloured Box shoved into the Mailbox at the bottom of the driveway and she says it's from MassDrop.
Hence it looks like they've finally arrived, I can hear all my RFs screaming for these babies ;D .
Good work Matt3o, it looks like you've delivered on an all PBT spacer set that is the envy of all Thorpie lovers everywhere (except for those that are seriously disturbed, wanting to still use ABS.......yuck).
Each to their own i guess. I preferred the smoother ABS feel of the the original spacebar. Perhaps the PBT one needs some lube.
Post by: Charizard on Wed, 07 October 2015, 22:55:11
Post by: Polymer on Wed, 07 October 2015, 23:42:15
The red matches the normal RF Red set which I guess is the same red as the special edition ctrl-esc pack which is different than the standalone red esc which is a much darker red.
All different degrees of fitting...the biggest test is when you've pressed it all the way on with the stabilizer some are really really stuck..some are not..Like my black one is perfect as long as it isn't pressed all the way into the stabilizer.
Sounds wise...sounds a bit better...not sure if it is from the PBT or because there slightly more friction or because the stabilizers are actually connected tighter but it feels better. The ABS one actually does feel like this on some RF's when you get a perfect fit but tends to get looser and looser so we'll see how this one is. The one I'm using right now was a little clanky at first but I re-seated it and it was great...
update: I took a hairdryer to some of them they seem to get soft easily and seem to fit better..still takes a bit of tinkering here and there...and my fingers hurt from popping them out because they're attached to the stabilizers pretty solidly...probably 2 times more force needed to pop them off vs. the regular spacebar..
After seeing this..I can see why they went ABS..I actually think there is less noise not necessarily because of the PBT (that is one thing) but because there is some additional friction with the stabilizer that is keeping it from clanking around....Trying to get these perfectly straight is a bit of a pain as well..I can only imagine it was worse when they first tried than now...
That said, I'm loving the overall feel and the fact that it won't shine up as easily (I hope). I'm really happy this happened and thanks to Matto for all the hard work..great stuff...
Hoping to see some other colors in the future :).
Post by: fanpeople on Thu, 08 October 2015, 02:08:42
Post by: HungryPillow on Thu, 08 October 2015, 21:15:01
I just received my space bars and they feel great! However, they seem to have a bit of discoloration to them with the black one being the most obvious. Does everyone else have this as well or is it just me?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/IL7BddZ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Md6n9Jm.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MQXXLMm.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/H65p6So.jpg)
From what I've seen in the thread you can clean it off
I've tried cleaning it with some soap and water but it doesn't come off. It looks like a discoloration in the material itself and not just a stain mark.
Post by: Polymer on Thu, 08 October 2015, 21:22:59
Definitely when I compare the two (Stock ABS and PBT), the ABS one is cleaner..perfectly straight and the overall construction is of higher quality...
But the PBT one is still really good..and it feels better to use...
Any slight differences are gone when you put it on the keyboard..and the difference in how they feel is significant.
Post by: fanpeople on Fri, 09 October 2015, 02:16:51
Post by: Polymer on Fri, 09 October 2015, 06:18:04
I did have one situation where it was louder but it was because it was completely misaligned...
Post by: fanpeople on Fri, 09 October 2015, 17:02:38
It is a lot quieter than the ABS spacebar...and this is on multiple Topre keyboards so I'm pretty sure it can't be just me...
I did have one situation where it was louder but it was because it was completely misaligned...
It might just be that the sound is different, so I am noticing it as it is not what I subconsciously expect from the keyboard. If you have tried it on multiple keyboards and reckon it's quieter than I am going to put it down as my mind playing tricks and not bother with the silencing mod. Theoretically after a while it should just seem normal like the ABS and not be noticeable.
Post by: durainello on Fri, 09 October 2015, 20:41:55
Post by: Bucake on Fri, 09 October 2015, 21:34:45
I gotten my brother who is totally not into keyboard to hear the difference. He too agreed that PBT is much louder and sounds different from the original spacebar.
was this a secret at all..?
i wouldn't say 'much' louder, but yes it it more robust, and the sound reflects that.
did you really expect a PBT spacebar to sound the same like an ABS spacebar..?
Post by: Bomble on Fri, 09 October 2015, 22:12:34
I gotten my brother who is totally not into keyboard to hear the difference. He too agreed that PBT is much louder and sounds different from the original spacebar.
was this a secret at all..?
i wouldn't say 'much' louder, but yes it it more robust, and the sound reflects that.
did you really expect a PBT spacebar to sound the same like an ABS spacebar..?
Mine's certainly louder too - but the ABS one sounded cheap and flimsy to me, even a bit clicky. The PBT one has a solid thud to it and is much more satisfying I find, even though it is louder.
Post by: Polymer on Fri, 09 October 2015, 23:29:15
If you use it normally, I've tested this with 3 keyboards with 6 different spacebars and now had 3 different people listen to it and the PBT one is a lot less quiet..Not even close...
The only time it is louder is if I press and completely let go of it to let it clang up to the top..in which case the PBT spacebar is a lot louder...Sometimes the way people test isn't realistic and I think that causes some of the misconception.
Post by: Bomble on Fri, 09 October 2015, 23:41:10
How are you guys testing it?
If you use it normally, I've tested this with 3 keyboards with 6 different spacebars and now had 3 different people listen to it and the PBT one is a lot less quiet..Not even close...
The only time it is louder is if I press and completely let go of it to let it clang up to the top..in which case the PBT spacebar is a lot louder...Sometimes the way people test isn't realistic and I think that causes some of the misconception.
Could be, I haven't sat down and really done the best possible side-by-side comparison that is possible, so you're probably right. But to me it still seems louder, just that the sound isn't as harsh as the ABS, it fits better with the rest of the board whether it is louder or softer.
Post by: Belfong on Sat, 10 October 2015, 01:32:59
Post by: Polymer on Sat, 10 October 2015, 04:01:55
How are you guys testing it?
If you use it normally, I've tested this with 3 keyboards with 6 different spacebars and now had 3 different people listen to it and the PBT one is a lot less quiet..Not even close...
The only time it is louder is if I press and completely let go of it to let it clang up to the top..in which case the PBT spacebar is a lot louder...Sometimes the way people test isn't realistic and I think that causes some of the misconception.
Could be, I haven't sat down and really done the best possible side-by-side comparison that is possible, so you're probably right. But to me it still seems louder, just that the sound isn't as harsh as the ABS, it fits better with the rest of the board whether it is louder or softer.
A rather non scientific test but..
Running a db meter on it..
Most of the PBT strikes in normal typing were under 60 decibels with some in the low 60s...the ABS strikes were 63-66 decibels...If I hold and release the spacebar freely in an attempt to make as much noise as possible...PBT space bar hit 70+ decibels...the ABS was more like 66-68.....
Only tested on a HHKB with the white PBT space bar and Black ABS space bar with the keys next to it removed.
Post by: raymogi on Sat, 10 October 2015, 04:03:42
Finally the space bar reached my workplace! I'll collect it on Monday! Can't wait to put it on!!!
I was supposed to get mine today but the postman got lazy I guess.
Monday it is then!
edit: I take back my word. It's already at the reception waiting to be collected. It feels AMAZING! I'm lucky the one I receive is immaculate. Perfect color and no warping whatsoever.
Post by: dario on Sat, 10 October 2015, 08:49:50
Post by: Belfong on Sat, 10 October 2015, 18:28:00
Post by: admiralvorian on Mon, 12 October 2015, 11:49:23
me right now :D :D :D
Post by: romevi on Mon, 12 October 2015, 12:11:54
My neighbor just 'found' my PBT space bar package!I love it when neighbors are friendly like that. But sometimes it can be weird. Someone got a misdelivered package of ours and called us to let us know. When we kindly asked how they got our phone number they said they just Googled us and found all our info.
me right now :D :D :D
Post by: Belfong on Fri, 16 October 2015, 06:42:40
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Post by: Bucake on Fri, 16 October 2015, 07:02:36
i can tell that your spacebar on that picture sits slightly higher than the one on my realforce
edit:
it's already been confirmed below, but i had already made some pictures so i figured i might as well upload them:
More
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the top of the bar is pretty much at the same height as the edges of the Alt keys
Post by: raymogi on Fri, 16 October 2015, 07:16:03
Post by: oscillik on Fri, 16 October 2015, 07:22:40
Post by: Belfong on Fri, 16 October 2015, 07:46:04
Post by: Belfong on Fri, 16 October 2015, 07:55:05
But boy! PBT plastic feels so good. Love the feel and sound of the spacebar!
Post by: Bucake on Fri, 16 October 2015, 07:58:34
i doubt that removing it will cause issues, but i might give it a try later for science!
though, i'd be more worried about breaking the HHKB case while pushing it down.. :))
Post by: oscillik on Fri, 16 October 2015, 09:34:37
If you pressed so hard and it fit, will you have problem taking it off without dislodging the stem?
it seems to be for the stabilisers, where the force is required. the actual switch stem is fine. when I put my spacebar on, it was initially 'lop-sided', but when more pressure was put on the opposing stabiliser to seat it correctly, all was well.
Post by: Belfong on Fri, 16 October 2015, 10:22:11
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 16 October 2015, 10:29:31
I ask because I haven't seen them being stocked anywhere properly but Massdrop has just run the RF 87u again with the PBT spacebars - do Massdrop have all the rights to them? Will they be available again separately? I need to find another black one for my HHKB...
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 16 October 2015, 14:36:34
I don't know if it's already been posted but what's the arrangement like with production, inventory and so forth
I ask because I haven't seen them being stocked anywhere properly but Massdrop has just run the RF 87u again with the PBT spacebars - do Massdrop have all the rights to them? Will they be available again separately? I need to find another black one for my HHKB...
This was a one time thing AFAIK. That said, I know Massdrop ordered a bunch of extras and I'm sure others did as well. Shouldn't be too hard to find some extras.
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 16 October 2015, 14:37:58
I don't know if it's already been posted but what's the arrangement like with production, inventory and so forth
I ask because I haven't seen them being stocked anywhere properly but Massdrop has just run the RF 87u again with the PBT spacebars - do Massdrop have all the rights to them? Will they be available again separately? I need to find another black one for my HHKB...
This was a one time thing AFAIK. That said, I know Massdrop ordered a bunch of extras and I'm sure others did as well. Shouldn't be too hard to find some extras.
Sweet :)
I'm guessing though if they did a second run all the moulds and stuff are still around?
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 16 October 2015, 14:43:51
I don't know if it's already been posted but what's the arrangement like with production, inventory and so forth
I ask because I haven't seen them being stocked anywhere properly but Massdrop has just run the RF 87u again with the PBT spacebars - do Massdrop have all the rights to them? Will they be available again separately? I need to find another black one for my HHKB...
This was a one time thing AFAIK. That said, I know Massdrop ordered a bunch of extras and I'm sure others did as well. Shouldn't be too hard to find some extras.
Sweet :)
I'm guessing though if they did a second run all the moulds and stuff are still around?
Yeah the molds are still around. I don't know if Massdrop or Matt3o owns the rights to them. And I don't know what it would take to have another run. I know when this was being discussed, it was being called "the only chance at PBT Topre spacebars", and people were encouraged to order as if it was the only time it would be run (can't find a quote, so hopefully I'm not imagining that). I'm not anticipating another run taking place.
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 16 October 2015, 21:47:40
I know when this was being discussed, it was being called "the only chance at PBT Topre spacebars", and people were encouraged to order as if it was the only time it would be run (can't find a quote, so hopefully I'm not imagining that). I'm not anticipating another run taking place.
Matt3o HATES doing re-runs, so you have to beg him for another do over if people want another bite of this PBT Spacer 8) .
Post by: raymogi on Fri, 16 October 2015, 21:54:22
If only I can get more of the white ones :(
Post by: ika on Fri, 16 October 2015, 22:39:16
I need moar! I took over someone's order but he only ordered 1 black and 1 white.
If only I can get more of the white ones :(
You may see more when the Massdrop Realforce lands in a month or so, if you can wait until then. I know I have a set of four that I'll be letting go once that arrives.
Post by: Belfong on Tue, 20 October 2015, 00:47:50
Hmm, received my space bars today. Great condition and nice to touch. Just wondering on the profile though. In the HHKB it seemed higher. Am i dreaming?So I pushed harder and sure enough, the space bar is now seated properly and the profile matched the Alt key beside it.Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/16/91d49a7578759aeda22a2c778c8e8659.jpg)Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/16/7c3df5b9288839d3825546c844945bd1.jpg)
Now I am super worried that I will not be able to pull this space bar off! It felt like it was nailed tight!
Post by: raymogi on Tue, 20 October 2015, 01:02:34
Hmm, received my space bars today. Great condition and nice to touch. Just wondering on the profile though. In the HHKB it seemed higher. Am i dreaming?So I pushed harder and sure enough, the space bar is now seated properly and the profile matched the Alt key beside it.Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/16/91d49a7578759aeda22a2c778c8e8659.jpg)Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/16/7c3df5b9288839d3825546c844945bd1.jpg)
Now I am super worried that I will not be able to pull this space bar off! It felt like it was nailed tight!
I once tried pulling it out and it made me my springs fly away and I almost lost it XD
It's definitely seated very snug compared to the stock spacebar.
Post by: Belfong on Tue, 20 October 2015, 01:06:22
Post by: Air tree on Tue, 20 October 2015, 01:09:19
Post by: raymogi on Tue, 20 October 2015, 01:17:06
Post by: Bucake on Tue, 20 October 2015, 02:04:52
I once tried pulling it out and it made me my springs fly away and I almost lost it XD
It's definitely seated very snug compared to the stock spacebar.
my spring already flew through my room when removing the original ABS bar.
i'll probably destroy my apartment trying to remove the PBT one..
and unfortunately i'm gonna have to do it soon, because i want to put this blue one on my incoming hhkb
i'm scared
Post by: raymogi on Tue, 20 October 2015, 02:09:02
I once tried pulling it out and it made me my springs fly away and I almost lost it XD
It's definitely seated very snug compared to the stock spacebar.
my spring already flew through my room when removing the original ABS bar.
i'll probably destroy my apartment trying to remove the PBT one..
and unfortunately i'm gonna have to do it soon, because i want to put this blue one on my incoming hhkb
i'm scared
Do this: cover the whole keyboard with a towel while you're doing it. That way when the spring flies at least you know it's just gonna fall down :)
Post by: Belfong on Tue, 20 October 2015, 02:09:44
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 20 October 2015, 02:38:40
@Bucake - there is a guide in reddit on how to remove the space bar and it is about taking off the two adjacent Alt keys and then sliding both fingers on each side of the space bar and pulling it out with bare hands. I hope you have strong fingers.
Unbelievable, grown men (presuming) here on Geekhack having problems removing their Space bars due to cutting their little fingers and losing their keys/springs :)) ?
Very easy to remove the Space bars off these babies, maybe my fingers/thumbs are huge but it's easy to pop it off without launching it into space. Just remember that it's a simple keyboard and nothing more, it's not a G410 Transmission so it's very easy.
Post by: fanpeople on Tue, 20 October 2015, 02:46:40
Post by: Belfong on Tue, 20 October 2015, 03:14:23
This is one of a kind PBT space bar we are talking about here, man! They are tough like ****. Even OG gangsta cry when removing them!@Bucake - there is a guide in reddit on how to remove the space bar and it is about taking off the two adjacent Alt keys and then sliding both fingers on each side of the space bar and pulling it out with bare hands. I hope you have strong fingers.
Unbelievable, grown men (presuming) here on Geekhack having problems removing their Space bars due to cutting their little fingers and losing their keys/springs :)) ?
Very easy to remove the Space bars off these babies, maybe my fingers/thumbs are huge but it's easy to pop it off without launching it into space. Just remember that it's a simple keyboard and nothing more, it's not a G410 Transmission so it's very easy.
Post by: Bucake on Tue, 20 October 2015, 05:54:23
didn't even have to use all of my dynamite
Post by: yomammary on Tue, 20 October 2015, 07:59:56
cheers guys, i got that PBT bar off without causing any damage, or losing the spring.Hahaha good to know.
didn't even have to use all of my dynamite
Post by: dario on Tue, 20 October 2015, 12:49:36
If anyone has a black spacebar to sell, I'm interested. ;)
Try classifieds. Better luck there.
I would if I could. :))
Due to forum regulations one is entitled to post there only if his postcount is over 25.
So yeah... if anyone has a black sample to sell, I'm still interested.
As a matter of fact, I would even accept red, or blue, or any other color in a visible spectrum... except white. :p
Who would have thought it would be so hard to get one after massdrop sale is over.
I somehow presumed there would be ****load of spare PBT spacebars around since minimum purchase quantity was 2, if I'm not mistaken.
Post by: jet2686 on Thu, 29 October 2015, 19:29:11
Post by: jerue on Thu, 29 October 2015, 20:13:05
whats the deal with these space bars, are there any extras or all sold?
For now, all sold. But the main issue with the first run was actually getting the tooling to make PBT spacebars. Now that it exists...they may pop up from time to time.
Like with all group buys I have a tendency to under-order...so I have no extras :( , some others here might if they didn't give them away already.
Post by: Butter on Thu, 29 October 2015, 23:09:38
Post by: kekstee on Fri, 30 October 2015, 13:24:53
Taking it off was the first time I took a closer look at the original ABS spacebar and indeed, it looks like it fell straight out of the CAD application. This PBT version has a lot more traces of manufacturing. The only functional difference is the thighter fit on the stabs though. I have no warping to report. Texture and colour are great and the sound is a bit more satisfying than the stock one, like the other keys. I didn't measure actual volume though. For all I care it doesn't matter as long as it's also more pleasing. Couldn't be happier. :)
Post by: jet2686 on Fri, 30 October 2015, 18:29:32
For now, all sold. But the main issue with the first run was actually getting the tooling to make PBT spacebars. Now that it exists...they may pop up from time to time.
Like with all group buys I have a tendency to under-order...so I have no extras :( , some others here might if they didn't give them away already.
Thanks for the reply, I'll have to give the classifieds a shot!
Post by: cinnamoncider on Sun, 15 November 2015, 09:26:26
(http://i.imgur.com/Bgqzb7e.jpg)
See the red highlight.
(http://i.imgur.com/F6mkGch.jpg)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sun, 15 November 2015, 14:46:10
I just received mine. Not sure if this is normal, but the only issue that I see is that the PBT spacebar is not aligned with the super and alt key. It can only be noticed if looked really closely.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Bgqzb7e.jpg)
See the red highlight.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/F6mkGch.jpg)
Look at the alphas. Topre keys are rarely if ever all perfectly square. Heck, it even looks like the alt key isn't square, so expecting the spacebar to line up with it seems fruitless.
Post by: Polymer on Mon, 16 November 2015, 08:14:29
On the plus side, if you don't like it, you can always sell it..
Post by: cinnamoncider on Mon, 16 November 2015, 18:22:08
Your ABS spacebar doesn't look perfectly aligned either...but some of it is because the PBT Spacebar is warped..some of it is maybe it isn't set correctly because it is slightly warped...It just is how it is...I think most of my PBT Spacebars all required some tweaking to even work properly and that was just to be expected...It's just off by 1mm :p
On the plus side, if you don't like it, you can always sell it..
Other than that, I do like it ;D
Post by: Bucake on Tue, 17 November 2015, 03:46:51
doesn't bother me, but it very obviously does not align well
i'm used to warped spacebars, i feel right at home.
hail pbt!
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 17 November 2015, 23:36:19
Look at the alphas. Topre keys are rarely if ever all perfectly square. Heck, it even looks like the alt key isn't square, so expecting the spacebar to line up with it seems fruitless.
That is the essence of PBT everywhere. If you lot get angsty at looking at slight sizing irregularities then don't buy any Imsto key-caps because that will drive you mad.
If you love using PBT then spacing is not an issue because you want to feel the plastic, rather than looking at it's spacing on a keyboard. Sorry for those who are OCD because you lot will indeed go into a fit or fall into an incapacitated stupor when you see any PBT keys sitting side by side.
Post by: Polymer on Sat, 21 November 2015, 13:55:35
Even having to rebend my pbt spacebars, I still think they're great and prefer them a LOT more than the ABS ones..so much so I'm not sure I could even go back to the ABS ones...
Post by: jamster on Sat, 21 November 2015, 21:34:42
Post by: strict on Sun, 22 November 2015, 10:18:35
I've finally got a (white) keyboard to put one of my spacebars on. It fits perfectly. Now I just have to get a black RF for the other spacebar.
True GeekHacker here, buying keyboards to match spacebars
Post by: jiexi on Sun, 22 November 2015, 21:13:57
Post by: Bevo on Sun, 06 December 2015, 05:24:06
Is there still a way to get these?
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/topre-realforce-87u (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/topre-realforce-87u)
I said i wasn't the biggest fan of the spacebar when i first got it but after a couple of months use they have settled quite well and suit the board perfectly.
Sorry for doubting you Matt3o senpai :-[
Post by: Willyc277 on Thu, 10 March 2016, 00:49:50
Any chance of this being ran again???
Post by: Diokhan on Thu, 10 March 2016, 00:50:28
Aaaaaye
Any chance of this being ran again???
Hope so!
People are almost asking clacks for pbt spacebars T.T
Post by: steelcity on Fri, 18 March 2016, 07:34:08
2. When are we going to see another GB or MD drop for these spacebars???
Post by: steelcity on Fri, 18 March 2016, 10:18:41
Post by: cmd on Fri, 25 March 2016, 19:10:25
Post by: kenshinjeff on Mon, 28 March 2016, 01:17:01
1. Is the light grey (white) spacebar the same shade as the white caps on the new Ducky Taiwan edition Realforce being sold on MK?
2. When are we going to see another GB or MD drop for these spacebars???
I have that white ducky you are referring to, it's really white. And yes, we really need another GB/MD for this.
Post by: jackstar7 on Fri, 06 May 2016, 18:31:49