people won't stop listing caps on ebay, and people won't stop paying lots of money for them
I have only ever bought caps at retail, from their makers, but this is my personal method and preference, and it won't stop this behaviour
As someone in the process of slowly off-loading old console imports, I'm always left wondering just how much worse the prices will get, games that once fetched $60 USD now $300+ in the right condition.
Where does it end? I wonder the same for artisans.
One would suggest when the demand ends, but that appears to be in no short supply.
As someone in the process of slowly off-loading old console imports, I'm always left wondering just how much worse the prices will get, games that once fetched $60 USD now $300+ in the right condition.
Where does it end? I wonder the same for artisans.
One would suggest when the demand ends, but that appears to be in no short supply.
What games ya got?
As someone in the process of slowly off-loading old console imports, I'm always left wondering just how much worse the prices will get, games that once fetched $60 USD now $300+ in the right condition.
Where does it end? I wonder the same for artisans.
One would suggest when the demand ends, but that appears to be in no short supply.
What games ya got?
Mostly old shmups, sold a great deal already. I've still gotta burn through the Sega Saturn lot. The two more valuable ones I'm holding on to right now are Batsugun and Battle Garegga. I try to be fair with my pricing, I consider what I paid, market rate and shoot for whatever seems fair, at least that's how I handled my PS2 games.
Past a certain point, it's almost easier just to buy the Arcade PCB lol, that was almost the case for a PS2 port of a game called Ibara.
Lots of people hitting their mid 20's, disposable incomes... Recipe for disaster on wallets world-wide :D
This kind of thing happens to the same extent in the sneaker world. It's pretty annoying. It sucks seeing people buy things just to make a quick buck instead of enjoying them. I don't really see a problem with overpaying for things. If someone has the money to spend on something they want more power to them. However, it does contribute to people buying things to make money instead of enjoying them.
If someone comes up to me and waves $500 at me asking for a lamp I have, then sure they can take it.
Would you want to keep the lamp if you were given that offer? Who knows, maybe it's a damn good lamp.
However, I would be happy that I have money and that person is happy they have a lamp. Maybe the IKEA I bought it from would be offended, but hell if I know, and hell if they care to know.
Now if a friend made a lamp for me and I sold it to that man, then we might have a problem.
My lamp making friend was the one who should get the money, right? He made the lamp that was worth that $500. Would it be just to sell the lamp then send the money to my friend? Plus, that lamp was a generous gift, given with the intent that you would use it for a long time.
I still don't know how to properly look at this situation though. My friend clearly didn't need that lamp since he gave it away. That man would be disappointed to not have that lamp. I might be disappointed to have a thinner wallet. Shouldn't the best outcome be from selling the lamp?
Don't care about cost. If there is something I want, I will try my best to get it. If it's something over my budget, I stop there. In my mind, money is not the issue. I want my board to look just the right way, at any monetary cost. As long as it's in my budget.
Lucky for me I like simple.
As someone in the process of slowly off-loading old console imports, I'm always left wondering just how much worse the prices will get, games that once fetched $60 USD now $300+ in the right condition.
Where does it end? I wonder the same for artisans.
One would suggest when the demand ends, but that appears to be in no short supply.
I am relatively new here and my collection is growing quite quickly!
I am also glad to say I have never paid over retail for a cap. I have gotten a few gifts from very generous members who have reached out to me just because they noticed my presence in/around the forum.
I don't come out to say this often, but if you are nice around the forums OG's will notice you and you will secure those nice artisans soon enough who share the same mentality. No need to pay ridiculous prices. Paying those ridiculous prices in the first place are the reason why caps are so inflated. (:
I have money and could buy caps at crazy prices to make my board look just right, but then what? I wouldn't get excited when the next sale actually has some orange in, and I wouldn't need to talk to people about possible trades. It would turn this hobby the same as happened on head-fi where I found my "endgame" setup and promptly lost interest.I am too. Buying caps I don't LOVE. In hopes I can trade for a Clack, a Bro Cap, HWS, or a Booper.
For me at least half the fun is in the search and a cap that took effort to get and has a story behind it is worth so much more than the ones I bought. But even buying from sales is fun - the anticipation of the sneak-peak pics, the sense of community around therapy/sales threads and the mass sharing of joy and commiseration when it's all over.
Alternately you could skip the meaningful stuff and throw money at ebay - how dull.
On the other side I am guilty of buying caps I don't want, of depriving people who genuinely want them - just the once and I paid to do it (Farewell V2), but I did. Those caps hang over me like a toxic cloud and I just want them gone, but between the ever increasing number of "need it now!" newbies who will "finish" their board and be gone and the evergreen scalpers I'm reluctant to put them up for sale or give them away, so they are still here taunting me. Never again.
I appreciate you not contributing to the ridiculous inflation of prices, but this is far from a "taboo topic" around here. It's closer to a dead horse that's been beat into a fine paste.
MoreI admit to buying 2 keys above retail.
I believe one was $80 and $160 for a set (Fair prices in today's market for sure). But they where caps I really wanted at the time and I had some disposable income.
I have only sold one cap out right. It was my blood reaper and I sold it close to retail ($50); because the guy was a bro and hooked me up with an awesome trade.
I see this as a hobby and I enjoy the community. If I spend a little more money then usual to get something I want, I am fine with that. I personally wont gouge my prices to make money.
I am not here to make money. This hobby has had the quite opposite effect on my wallet. I am here to look at dank pictures of keyboards and caps and maybe scroll through some drama once in awhile.
Unless the cap is being sold for a genuine purpose to raise money, I think caps selling for $500+ is silly.
Edit:
I really think is is relevant.
http://elitedaily.com/life/the-unattainable-urge-to-always-want-what-we-cant-have/
I've resold all but two of the artisans I've bought directly from the vendor. I realized I didn't personally like them too much, so I sold them at retail or under so that someone else, that may of missed out, can have it.
A couple of days ago, just as a test, I put two Bro's up for $75 for a couple of hours, and I had 6 people saying them wanted to buy them. I ****ing hate that. ANYTHING shouldn't sell for more than retail.
We can take Hoff's kind gesture from yesterday where he 'sold' the BBv2 for $300. I put sold in quotes as it was more of a donation for a great cause, but on the outside to people that may not know that he was doing this, it makes the price look insane and others may copy. I think he should of made it more clear that they are simply donating $300, and will receive the V2 as a gift for their outstanding kindness.
I also think buying and reselling artisans is kind of taboo - admittally, I bought my Bro's in the hopes of trading for my favorite design, the BBv2. It's what got me into keyboards and I see it as a massive target of mine to acquire the first BBv2 I saw. It's probably never going to happen though, due to artificial inflation, which has put the cap at $200 sell value. Sucks, but that's what it is.
It's even worse with Bro Caps. Absolutely everyone will join any single sale he makes, even though they doesn't even remotely want a certain cap. I'm pretty sure that many people joined the TR8-0R Sale just to snipe the keycap and trade it afterwards. I'm absolutely sure that many people dislike the design but joined anyway just to have something made by Bro, which has relevant value in the trade market.
About buying and selling artisans at a huge price, I don't see any problem with it. This is basic supply and demand in full action. Most people just happen to want nice robots, astronauts and skulls, they don't want to spend hours and hours on the Internet as if they were on a quest for the holy grail. You gotta face the reality. The community grew, and some people don't give a damn about "supporting the maker" or "the community members". They are just costumers looking for a cool product. It's a very disappointing reality that absolutely nobody has the power to change. If you enjoying selling and buying at retail and 1:1 trading, that's okay, I do too, but don't condemn people who buy and sell at high prices, because again, that's just supply and demand in full force and most people don't want to engage on a mission for a cube of plastic.
Anything not free is over paying
Anything not free is over payingWhat about a $200 meme keyboard?
Anything not free is over payingWhat about a $200 meme keyboard?
You shouldn't judge people that spend over retail if that item is rare.
It is their money, not yours.
You shouldn't judge people that spend over retail if that item is rare.
It is their money, not yours.
Yeah.. I'm gonna agree with this guy... If someone has thousands of dollars on disposable income and you don't and he's willing to pay for it... he's not really breaking any laws... Maybe he makes 6 figures a year and he can splurge on his hobby.
That said, I think reselling caps for a huge profit... is a pretty douche move though.
Anyone else hope the clacks on ebay go for under 200$? I sure do, the more clack's on ebay hopefully the less aftermarket value.Yes. But what are the chances the disappearing outside of our community all together making prices even higher.
edit: People might not see them as such a rare item then.
Anyone else hope the clacks on ebay go for under 200$? I sure do, the more clack's on ebay hopefully the less aftermarket value.Yes. But what are the chances the disappearing outside of our community all together making prices even higher.
edit: People might not see them as such a rare item then.
Selling my clacks at retail pm me.Morejust kidding
I've paid an inflated price 2 times for a clack(not as bad a price as it is today) and it was worth it to be honest. With the insanely crazy bidders on eBay the price of my clacks "went up". Either way I don't think I will sell them I like the novelty of having a clack they're cool and add a bit a spark to my board but in the end it is just a tiny ****ty plastic. ^-^
You shouldn't judge people that spend over retail if that item is rare.
It is their money, not yours.
Yeah.. I'm gonna agree with this guy... If someone has thousands of dollars on disposable income and you don't and he's willing to pay for it... he's not really breaking any laws... Maybe he makes 6 figures a year and he can splurge on his hobby.
That said, I think reselling caps for a huge profit... is a pretty douche move though.
Click the """"more""""Selling my clacks at retail pm me.Morejust kidding
I've paid an inflated price 2 times for a clack(not as bad a price as it is today) and it was worth it to be honest. With the insanely crazy bidders on eBay the price of my clacks "went up". Either way I don't think I will sell them I like the novelty of having a clack they're cool and add a bit a spark to my board but in the end it is just a tiny ****ty plastic. ^-^
PM'd ;)
Yes. But what are the chances the disappearing outside of our community all together making prices even higher.
Click the """"more""""Selling my clacks at retail pm me.Morejust kidding
I've paid an inflated price 2 times for a clack(not as bad a price as it is today) and it was worth it to be honest. With the insanely crazy bidders on eBay the price of my clacks "went up". Either way I don't think I will sell them I like the novelty of having a clack they're cool and add a bit a spark to my board but in the end it is just a tiny ****ty plastic. ^-^
PM'd ;)
PM sent anyways!
Anything not free is over paying
Hook me up brah.
Anything not free is over payingWhat about a $200 meme keyboard?
Ooooooooooo.
Don't worry. I'll be upgrading it so it's actually worth that price. Gonna trick it out with someblingglitter and stickers and stuff.
Hey you're breaching the NDA!'
Hey you're breaching the NDA!'
never signed one
You did when you paid:D hey we've all had a dark past of inflating prices
^Hey you're breaching the NDA!'
never signed one
You didn't know the payment is the signature?
You did when you paid:D hey we've all had a dark past of inflating prices
Hey you're breaching the NDA!'
never signed one
You didn't know the payment is the signature?
Hey you're breaching the NDA!'
never signed one
You didn't know the payment is the signature?
is this grounds for a Duress ?
Hey you're breaching the NDA!'
never signed one
You didn't know the payment is the signature?
is this grounds for a Duress ?
More like grounds for demanding a second clack for the actual signature of the first clack NDA.
I know I have paid over retail for my 1st cap a blackout BBv2, I did that though because I have nothing to trade and it was easier to snag it. But I can honestly say that I will not do it again. 405 and previously listed prices are crazy! Especially when K3 sells almost the same thing for under 50.
Yes I know they are a bit different than Clacks but F me if you think I am going to drop almost 2700 USD to do the top row of my KB when all I want is for it to look cool and be unique!
I know I have paid over retail for my 1st cap a blackout BBv2, I did that though because I have nothing to trade and it was easier to snag it. But I can honestly say that I will not do it again. 405 and previously listed prices are crazy! Especially when K3 sells almost the same thing for under 50.
Yes I know they are a bit different than Clacks but F me if you think I am going to drop almost 2700 USD to do the top row of my KB when all I want is for it to look cool and be unique!
The example of qazeqaz is the perfect example about why I'll never understand why Bro Caps don't wanna keep releasing new BroBot V2's collections, let's say every season. He already won the game. It's the greatest design of all time, he will never be able to change people's minds about that, no matter what new designs he invents. He already made something great and people love it, why not make it available for them? He's not the only one able to make these robots. Sooner or later somebody is gonna turn the "I don't give a f*ck mode" and will replicate these things like Xerox. He will never be able to stop somebody from doing that in Asia for example and boy, knowing how those countries work I guarantee you that. Freezing PayPal accounts won't work neither.
Sooner or later he's gonna lose control.
If people like stuff that you make, in my opinion you should listen to them and let them have it. Fighting against the desire of the crowd is a lost cause. It's his design and creation and probably he has some respect for it, therefore he should act before it's too late, in my opinion.
Is this where I say thank you for your input ?
You are assuming many things that I didn't say, and I wonder why are you reacting like this. Calm down mate.
First of all, I don't think you should meet any demands. I simply said that you should re run the design, under the numbers you and your family members are capable of producing. I also never said anything about my own projects and never said anything about Alibaba. K3 for example is selling loads of your design outside Alibaba, and he's just an example. There are many others replicating it.
I never questioned the number of winners, kudos for accepting more winners. The thing is that people just don't like the newer things you make, as much as they like the V2 (http://i.imgur.com/AK7ryDT.jpg).
Cool your jets partner. Turning a healthy discussion into something personal is irrational. Scroll over my post history and see if I ever mentioned your name before. To be honest, I don't give a damn what you're going to do with your designs. I'm simply voicing my opinion, and still don't understand why you don't want to keep this artificial V2 rarity since you can still make them.
.... The thing is that people just don't like the newer things you make, as much as they like the V2.
.... The thing is that people just don't like the newer things you make, as much as they like the V2.
what?
Just.. stop talking.
You are trying to speak for everyone, when you have no idea what people do and don't like.
.... The thing is that people just don't like the newer things you make, as much as they like the V2.
what?
Just.. stop talking.
You are trying to speak for everyone, when you have no idea what people do and don't like.
Let's make a poll then, ask what's people's favorite Bro Caps keycap design and I will eat a sock if the BroBot V2 ends up losing it.
messages every member of ctrlalt and bro caps begging for new design
gets ignored because or previous harassment and personal attacks of aforementioned members
insults new designs
messages every member of ctrlalt and bro caps begging for new design
gets ignored because or previous harassment and personal attacks of aforementioned members
insults new designs
messages every member of ctrlalt and bro caps begging for new design
gets ignored because or previous harassment and personal attacks of aforementioned members
insults new designs
+ people who intentionally lowball you so hard then slowly reveal their real hand.
Seen people offering a single bbv2 for the special occasion beatdown bbv2 bro someone has.
messages every member of ctrlalt and bro caps begging for new design
gets ignored because or previous harassment and personal attacks of aforementioned members
insults new designs
+ people who intentionally lowball you so hard then slowly reveal their real hand.
Seen people offering a single bbv2 for the special occasion beatdown bbv2 bro someone has.
Goes both ways. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people insist on trades where they fake scarcity or rarity to unbalance the trade in their favor with someone naïve or new. My favorite is when they take that cap that might sell for $200 aftermarket, trade for two or one more rare cap, then flip it/them for $400.
WTS Rare Clack
1 of 3 in existence
Won't reveal which clack it is until you pay for it
PM with offer
PP only, thx
Selling my clacks at retail pm me.Morejust kidding
WTS Rare Clack
1 of 3 in existence
Won't reveal which clack it is until you pay for it
PM with offer
PP only, thx
WTS Rare Clack
1 of 3 in existence
Won't reveal which clack it is until you pay for it
PM with offer
PP only, thx
I bet you're getting a inbox full of PM's
...Calm down mate.
...Cool your jets partner. Turning a healthy discussion into something personal is irrational.
...bud, just relax and try to learn something good out of this discussion man.
Bro Caps, if you need any proof that people don't like your newer designs as much as they like the V2, just create a poll and ask which one they prefer, the TR8-0R or the Celestial Blue BBV2. Or perhaps Vintage Reaper or the Ribbit. I don't understand your aggressiveness bud, just relax and try to learn something good out of this discussion man.
I personally do not sell my keycaps, either at retail or at high aftermarket prices. I don't sell at aftermarket prices because I'm friends with Bro -- I think FrostyToast's metaphor about the lamp is quite apt here -- and I don't sell at retail because it's simply not worth my time. Many people are the exact same way. Perhaps I'm even more privileged than many here, but I live in NYC and the $30 I'd get from a BBv2 at retail would be gone in a few cappuccinos. Many are the same way, and the way to overcome that for some is to offer more money such that it makes it worth it to sell.
The example of qazeqaz is the perfect example about why I'll never understand why Bro Caps don't wanna keep releasing new BroBot V2's collections, let's say every season. He already won the game. It's the greatest design of all time, he will never be able to change people's minds about that, no matter what new designs he invents. He already made something great and people love it, why not make it available for them? He's not the only one able to make these robots. Sooner or later somebody is gonna turn the "I don't give a f*ck mode" and will replicate these things like Xerox. He will never be able to stop somebody from doing that in Asia for example and boy, knowing how those countries work I guarantee you that. Freezing PayPal accounts won't work neither.
Sooner or later he's gonna lose control.
If people like stuff that you make, in my opinion you should listen to them and let them have it. Fighting against the desire of the crowd is a lost cause. It's his design and creation and probably he has some respect for it, therefore he should act before it's too late, in my opinion.
The thing is that people just don't like the newer things you make, as much as they like the V2.
Bro Caps, if you need any proof that people don't like your newer designs as much as they like the V2, just create a poll and ask which one they prefer, the TR8-0R or the Celestial Blue BBV2. Or perhaps Vintage Reaper or the Ribbit. I don't understand your aggressiveness bud, just relax and try to learn something good out of this discussion man.
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funny, i dont see any mention of you asking bro to make a pulse cap
just begging for a free flatline reaper
I'm seeing a Pulse Vintage Reaper in this picture.
I also asked if he wanted to make something specially for Pulse, like I did with many other makers from here but he never answered.
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funny, i dont see any mention of you asking bro to make a pulse cap
just begging for a free flatline reaper
Every design I have produced in every sale has sold out. So I don't understand the logic here.
V2 isn't coming back. Period. There will be new things coming out that will fill that space.
So please, relax and take a break.
Is this where I say thank you for your input ?
Thank you for your input.
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funny, i dont see any mention of you asking bro to make a pulse cap
just begging for a free flatline reaper
Sure, as you can see I asked him if he wanted to trade stuff. What's wrong with it? And I don't know what flatline is, I'm seeing a Pulse Vintage Reaper in this picture.
I also asked if he wanted to make something specially for Pulse, like I did with many other makers from here but he never answered.
I personally do not sell my keycaps, either at retail or at high aftermarket prices. I don't sell at aftermarket prices because I'm friends with Bro -- I think FrostyToast's metaphor about the lamp is quite apt here -- and I don't sell at retail because it's simply not worth my time. Many people are the exact same way. Perhaps I'm even more privileged than many here, but I live in NYC and the $30 I'd get from a BBv2 at retail would be gone in a few cappuccinos. Many are the same way, and the way to overcome that for some is to offer more money such that it makes it worth it to sell.
TFW it is worth it for me to sell at retail. :'(
:))
What happened to the Drama of the Month thread?
Also this thread is getting really terrible, and we should steer ourselves back on topic.
ill fill you in
flatline is the colorway that keycap is based upon, im not sure what a vintage reaper is but you were asking for a flatline classic reaper, a new design of bros which is an iteration of his previous work
you didnt ask for a trade, you asked for a sample, and subsequently offered to exchange snacks
due to your past threatening behaviour towards members of the bro caps and ctrl alt team, your request was not replied to, you then proceeded to start messaging other members of ctrl alt
I'm seeing a Pulse Classic Reaper, still not sure about what flatline is good sir. As far as I know there's only one black and blue keyset in existence and it's called Pulse. Such artisan keycap is a perfect fit for it due to the precisely chosen aqua and black colors.
I'm seeing a Pulse Classic Reaper, still not sure about what flatline is good sir. As far as I know there's only one black and blue keyset in existence and it's called Pulse. Such artisan keycap is a perfect fit for it due to the precisely chosen aqua and black colors.
Yes, I asked if he wanted to send a cap and exchange food. Isn't this a trade?
Also, since you're spitting some stuff out, could you please display what other messages did I send to other members?
I personally do not sell my keycaps, either at retail or at high aftermarket prices. I don't sell at aftermarket prices because I'm friends with Bro -- I think FrostyToast's metaphor about the lamp is quite apt here -- and I don't sell at retail because it's simply not worth my time. Many people are the exact same way. Perhaps I'm even more privileged than many here, but I live in NYC and the $30 I'd get from a BBv2 at retail would be gone in a few cappuccinos. Many are the same way, and the way to overcome that for some is to offer more money such that it makes it worth it to sell.
TFW it is worth it for me to sell at retail. :'(
:))
Prove it to me! ;)
(Me personally… no need to get these other folks involved…)
I like how no matter the intention of a thread, if MiTo gets involved it seems to always devolve into a crap show.
I'm seeing a Pulse Classic Reaper, still not sure about what flatline is good sir.
Actually, if you want to keep this discussion somewhere else let's do it, but that's not the goal of this thread.
Holy hell dude, just stop. You're not being funny, you're not being clever, you're being an ass. This thread is not the place to make snide remarks about CtrlAlt, and I've already posted in here to stop off-topic attacks.
I said that the cap was a Pulse Reaper and that I don't know what flatline is, what the freaking hell are you talking about?! I'm being serious here, don't know how Americans perceive what I'm talking but I'm asking a legit question.
Holy hell dude, just stop. You're not being funny, you're not being clever, you're being an ass. This thread is not the place to make snide remarks about CtrlAlt, and I've already posted in here to stop off-topic attacks.
Snide remarks? What are you talking about?!
I said that the cap was a Pulse Reaper and that I don't know what flatline is, what the freaking hell are you talking about?! I'm being serious here, don't know how Americans perceive what I'm talking but I'm asking a legit question.
with that said, im going to start a new trend. i will take the bullet and start under paying the retail value for all your artisans.
some may call it selfless, i call it being a team player.
with that said, im going to start a new trend. i will take the bullet and start under paying the retail value for all your artisans.
some may call it selfless, i call it being a team player.
with that said, im going to start a new trend. i will take the bullet and start under paying the retail value for all your artisans.
some may call it selfless, i call it being a team player.
Wait, after I get the stuff all prepped to ship to you for free, you offer cash?
with that said, im going to start a new trend. i will take the bullet and start under paying the retail value for all your artisans.
some may call it selfless, i call it being a team player.
Wait, after I get the stuff all prepped to ship to you for free, you offer cash?
what's more underpaying than no paying?
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I got my first Binge a month later from Hoffman's Christmas sale netting me a champagne Keyng(this was what really got me addicted to artisans). I stayed up until 1am refreshing HipsterPunk's home page every second to buy a Fatigued Green Vandal. I got my first ever clack from camping my computer during Clackevent. (Actually got another one too, and it was a OG tri! Never thought I would touch a tri clack in my lifetime). Got my first ever Brocap from the email race for the Cosmos sale(before this I was 0/8).
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I got my first Binge a month later from Hoffman's Christmas sale netting me a champagne Keyng(this was what really got me addicted to artisans). I stayed up until 1am refreshing HipsterPunk's home page every second to buy a Fatigued Green Vandal. I got my first ever clack from camping my computer during Clackevent. (Actually got another one too, and it was a OG tri! Never thought I would touch a tri clack in my lifetime). Got my first ever Brocap from the email race for the Cosmos sale(before this I was 0/8).
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You forgot your first Zombro :(
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I got my first Binge a month later from Hoffman's Christmas sale netting me a champagne Keyng(this was what really got me addicted to artisans). I stayed up until 1am refreshing HipsterPunk's home page every second to buy a Fatigued Green Vandal. I got my first ever clack from camping my computer during Clackevent. (Actually got another one too, and it was a OG tri! Never thought I would touch a tri clack in my lifetime). Got my first ever Brocap from the email race for the Cosmos sale(before this I was 0/8).
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You forgot your first Zombro :(
Aw ****. I'm sorry :-[ I don't know how that slipped through my head. I think it was cause I was so starstruck by the BBv2
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I got my first Binge a month later from Hoffman's Christmas sale netting me a champagne Keyng(this was what really got me addicted to artisans). I stayed up until 1am refreshing HipsterPunk's home page every second to buy a Fatigued Green Vandal. I got my first ever clack from camping my computer during Clackevent. (Actually got another one too, and it was a OG tri! Never thought I would touch a tri clack in my lifetime). Got my first ever Brocap from the email race for the Cosmos sale(before this I was 0/8).
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You forgot your first Zombro :(
Aw ****. I'm sorry :-[ I don't know how that slipped through my head. I think it was cause I was so starstruck by the BBv2
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I got my first Binge a month later from Hoffman's Christmas sale netting me a champagne Keyng(this was what really got me addicted to artisans). I stayed up until 1am refreshing HipsterPunk's home page every second to buy a Fatigued Green Vandal. I got my first ever clack from camping my computer during Clackevent. (Actually got another one too, and it was a OG tri! Never thought I would touch a tri clack in my lifetime). Got my first ever Brocap from the email race for the Cosmos sale(before this I was 0/8).
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You forgot your first Zombro :(
Aw ****. I'm sorry :-[ I don't know how that slipped through my head. I think it was cause I was so starstruck by the BBv2
Hey I just got a Zombro...
DOES THIS MEAN I GET MY DREAM DESIGN NEXT?!
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I got my first Binge a month later from Hoffman's Christmas sale netting me a champagne Keyng(this was what really got me addicted to artisans). I stayed up until 1am refreshing HipsterPunk's home page every second to buy a Fatigued Green Vandal. I got my first ever clack from camping my computer during Clackevent. (Actually got another one too, and it was a OG tri! Never thought I would touch a tri clack in my lifetime). Got my first ever Brocap from the email race for the Cosmos sale(before this I was 0/8).
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You forgot your first Zombro :(
Aw ****. I'm sorry :-[ I don't know how that slipped through my head. I think it was cause I was so starstruck by the BBv2
Hey I just got a Zombro...
DOES THIS MEAN I GET MY DREAM DESIGN NEXT?!
The last time I got a Zombro I got an Enraged Bruce and Albino Keywok.
So maybe.
with that said, im going to start a new trend. i will take the bullet and start under paying the retail value for all your artisans.
some may call it selfless, i call it being a team player.
Bro Caps, if you need any proof that people don't like your newer designs as much as they like the V2, just create a poll and ask which one they prefer, the TR8-0R or the Celestial Blue BBV2. Or perhaps Vintage Reaper or the Ribbit. I don't understand your aggressiveness bud, just relax and try to learn something good out of this discussion man.
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with that said, im going to start a new trend. i will take the bullet and start under paying the retail value for all your artisans.
some may call it selfless, i call it being a team player.
Now I know why this is a taboo topic.
Demik
Demik
Ah **** son you goofed now, das not the correct way to say dat word.
/me walks into the party late. Gives all the hard partiers some coffee and Wawa pretzels, doesn't say anything, and flies away.
/me walks into the party late. Gives all the hard partiers some coffee and Wawa pretzels, doesn't say anything, and flies away.
What's a Wawa pretzel? :confused:
/me walks into the party late. Gives all the hard partiers some coffee and Wawa pretzels, doesn't say anything, and flies away.
What's a Wawa pretzel? :confused:
I feel bad for you. You have to look it up though.
On another note, I really enjoyed reading this thread.
/me walks into the party late. Gives all the hard partiers some coffee and Wawa pretzels, doesn't say anything, and flies away.
/me walks into the party late. Gives all the hard partiers some coffee and Wawa pretzels, doesn't say anything, and flies away.
What's a Wawa pretzel? :confused:
I feel bad for you. You have to look it up though.
On another note, I really enjoyed reading this thread.
Ah. I see. Wetzel's Pretzels (especially cinnamon) look a lot better.
To the topic at hand, it sucks to overpay for something, but if it's worth that amount to you, why not pay it?
/me walks into the party late. Gives all the hard partiers some coffee and Wawa pretzels, doesn't say anything, and flies away.I'll take one from sheetz.
For the best pretzels, you gotta go to a german beer garden. No question.
For the best pretzels, you gotta go to a german beer garden. No question.
Forget the pretzels. Rather drink beer and eat bratwurst!!
www.pilsenerhaus.com (http://www.pilsenerhaus.com)
For the best pretzels, you gotta go to a german beer garden. No question.
Forget the pretzels. Rather drink beer and eat bratwurst!!
www.pilsenerhaus.com (http://www.pilsenerhaus.com)
Why not just eat the bratwurst and pretzels and drink the beer?
For the best pretzels, you gotta go to a german beer garden. No question.
Forget the pretzels. Rather drink beer and eat bratwurst!!
www.pilsenerhaus.com (http://www.pilsenerhaus.com)
Why not just eat the bratwurst and pretzels and drink the beer?
you might be overpaying at that point
guys, yesterday i taboo-lated my keyboard hat transactions for 2015 and saw that i ate quite a bit in losses. so, knowing that, i've decided i just can't afford to sell at retail anymore
to just anyone. future aftermarket sales will no longer be first come, first serve, but instead potential buyers will undergo a thorough and rigorous background check (the details of which will remain classified), possibly even a cavity search (can't have anyone hiding fake clacks in their prison purse). bro willing, the end result will be my keycaps ultimately wind up in the hands of those worthy of them, and my financial sacrifices justified.
thank u for ur understanding. papa bless.
It seems to be lost that Caps from only a year ago are hard to get. Imagine what you have today would be rarity wise next year. Then you could trade these common now caps for common in the past caps.Everything upto that part I got but you super lost me here man :X
Think about it.
/me walks into the party late. Gives all the hard partiers some coffee and Wawa pretzels, doesn't say anything, and flies away.Mmm.. I haven't had a Wawa stuffed pretzel since 2007
/me walks into the party late. Gives all the hard partiers some coffee and Wawa pretzels, doesn't say anything, and flies away.Mmm.. I haven't had a Wawa stuffed pretzel since 2007
For the best pretzels, you gotta go to a german beer garden. No question.
Forget the pretzels. Rather drink beer and eat bratwurst!!
www.pilsenerhaus.com (http://www.pilsenerhaus.com)
Why not just eat the bratwurst and pretzels and drink the beer?
you might be overpaying at that point
Well I'm a big guy. I need a lot of food.
So i think the point of the Thread has been missed. Overpaying for something is really up to the eye of the beholder. My point is, do you really want to support the people gouging the market. If a make creates 5 caps and sells them at 100$. Then buyer buys them...and sells said cap for 200$ because you want it. Should you really pay him 180$ in profit, instead of waiting for another sale? It seems to be lost that Caps from only a year ago are hard to get. Imagine what you have today would be rarity wise next year. Then you could trade these common now caps for common in the past caps.
Think about it.
Bratwurst, pretzels, and beer? Now we're talking.
For the best pretzels, you gotta go to a german beer garden. No question.
Forget the pretzels. Rather drink beer and eat bratwurst!!
www.pilsenerhaus.com (http://www.pilsenerhaus.com)
So i think the point of the Thread has been missed. Overpaying for something is really up to the eye of the beholder. My point is, do you really want to support the people gouging the market. If a make creates 5 caps and sells them at 100$. Then buyer buys them...and sells said cap for 200$ because you want it. Should you really pay him 180$ in profit, instead of waiting for another sale? It seems to be lost that Caps from only a year ago are hard to get. Imagine what you have today would be rarity wise next year. Then you could trade these common now caps for common in the past caps.
Think about it.
The only thing that bothers me are the Johnnies out there joining every single raffle they can to hoard the crap out of the maker just to gather stupid trade value. But it's partially fault of the makers, since they allow it to happen in the first place. KeyKollectiv, for example, who the hell needs 5 Koala keycaps? Why not limit to one or two per person? 9 out of 10 times people will make an entry with the Koala they want and 4 other good ones just to trade. Do you wanna know why? I'm gonna tell you why:
[H] 5 Kill-Wallas, 3 Snackeys [W] Any BBV2
"I don't like them as much as I thought I would, so I'm trading now."
Yeah sure, two days after the actual sale. And the price of that? 4 people somewhere around the world disappointed that they couldn't get a single useful Koala, because the ****head Johhny hoarded the one he wanted and 4 useless extras. And the worst part is that Johnny did that for absolutely nothing since nobody is gonna trade a Bro for a load of KK's. Another sad thing is that instead of making 5 people happy, KeyKollectiv decided to make a single one, since they allowed people to hoard in the first place. I'm using KK as an example, this is happening with every maker out there. Read again: I am using KeyKollectiv as an example.
I'm not salty (I won the only one I entried for and gave it to another member, Sunshine MX) it was an example and such situation is also affecting other makers. This is not my problem anyway, makers should create whatever rules they want. If they feel like 5 per person is the ideal rule, I'm absolutely no one to say otherwise. Makers should start their raffles in whatever way they want, but I'm pointing out an issue with the model currently being used by some of them.
It's even worse with Bro Caps. Absolutely everyone will join any single sale he makes, even though they doesn't even remotely want a certain cap. I'm pretty sure that many people joined the TR8-0R Sale just to snipe the keycap and trade it afterwards. I'm absolutely sure that many people dislike the design but joined anyway just to have something made by Bro, which has relevant value in the trade market.
About buying and selling artisans at a huge price, I don't see any problem with it. This is basic supply and demand in full action. Most people just happen to want nice robots, astronauts and skulls, they don't want to spend hours and hours on the Internet as if they were on a quest for the holy grail. You gotta face the reality. The community grew, and some people don't give a damn about "supporting the maker" or "the community members". They are just costumers looking for a cool product. It's a very disappointing reality that absolutely nobody has the power to change. If you enjoying selling and buying at retail and 1:1 trading, that's okay, I do too, but don't condemn people who buy and sell at high prices, because again, that's just supply and demand in full force and most people don't want to engage on a mission for a cube of plastic.
I understand there's nothing you can do Kudos, no need to explain yourself. I said multiple times very clearly that your system was just an example, wasn't enough? Just keep doing your thing, perhaps limit the sale for even less than 3 per person, I don't know mate it's your sale and you should run it whatever the way you want. I'm not here to tell you what to do, being respectfully honest with you. Looking forward to the stars!
Another sad thing is that instead of making 5 people happy, KeyKollectiv decided to make a single one, since they allowed people to hoard in the first place.
Did you literally not read his post? He even gave a reason for 3 per person.
"Respectful"QuoteAnother sad thing is that instead of making 5 people happy, KeyKollectiv decided to make a single one, since they allowed people to hoard in the first place.
You are so lost in your own head, dude.
I'm a big guy(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/bane/images/1/15/Bill_Wilson-0.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150630064340)
For the record.
I would do some naughty stuff for a 1st edition charizard card.
That is all.
Classic MiTo. ****s on people, apologizes (in his own condescending way), then ****s on them again.
Classic MiTo. ****s on people, apologizes (in his own condescending way), then ****s on them again.
For the record.
I would do some naughty stuff for a 1st edition charizard card.
That is all.
Meh. It's the same card as the non-first edition, which I have. Those little 1st-edition stamps always bothered me anyway.
'Cept on my Machamp.
For the record.
I would do some naughty stuff for a 1st edition charizard card.
That is all.
Meh. It's the same card as the non-first edition, which I have. Those little 1st-edition stamps always bothered me anyway.
'Cept on my Machamp.
I still have mine in my little Pokemon card display book. Finished that whole first series. My mom said it would be worth a lot someday. I think the Charizard goes for $10? XD
For the record.
I would do some naughty stuff for a 1st edition charizard card.
That is all.
Meh. It's the same card as the non-first edition, which I have. Those little 1st-edition stamps always bothered me anyway.
'Cept on my Machamp.
Don't let this individual twist what I said.
Thread idea: Overpaying for vintage Pokemon cards (though not as much as in the heydey)- The Taboo Topic
Thread idea: Overpaying for vintage Pokemon cards (though not as much as in the heydey)- The Taboo Topic
I need a jiggly puff.
Classic MiTo. ****s on people, apologizes (in his own condescending way), then ****s on them again.
Thread idea: Overpaying for vintage Pokemon cards (though not as much as in the heydey)- The Taboo Topic
I need a jiggly puff.Show Image(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160212/4770f134879c4efa5dbbf9e6fd47f3de.jpg)
Thread idea: Overpaying for vintage Pokemon cards (though not as much as in the heydey)- The Taboo Topic
Thread idea: Overpaying for vintage Pokemon cards (though not as much as in the heydey)- The Taboo Topic
Is that a thing? I still have like 4 of the original Charizard cards. I think I have all my cards in fact. Time to go sell on reddit for huge profit.
Thread idea: Overpaying for vintage Pokemon cards (though not as much as in the heydey)- The Taboo Topic
Is that a thing? I still have like 4 of the original Charizard cards. I think I have all my cards in fact. Time to go sell on reddit for huge profit.
Thread idea: Overpaying for vintage Pokemon cards (though not as much as in the heydey)- The Taboo Topic
Is that a thing? I still have like 4 of the original Charizard cards. I think I have all my cards in fact. Time to go sell on reddit for huge profit.
Uhhh o.o
Ill trade joo some artisans
Thread idea: Overpaying for vintage Pokemon cards (though not as much as in the heydey)- The Taboo Topic
Is that a thing? I still have like 4 of the original Charizard cards. I think I have all my cards in fact. Time to go sell on reddit for huge profit.
Original as in first-edition?
Breh.
Thread idea: Overpaying for vintage Pokemon cards (though not as much as in the heydey)- The Taboo Topic
Is that a thing? I still have like 4 of the original Charizard cards. I think I have all my cards in fact. Time to go sell on reddit for huge profit.
Original as in first-edition?
Breh.
PS
That Ancient Mew card was the hot peas. Worthless and useless, but still doper than most cards.
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Thread idea: Overpaying for vintage Pokemon cards (though not as much as in the heydey)- The Taboo Topic
Is that a thing? I still have like 4 of the original Charizard cards. I think I have all my cards in fact. Time to go sell on reddit for huge profit.
Original as in first-edition?
Breh.
PS
That Ancient Mew card was the hot peas. Worthless and useless, but still doper than most cards.
(Attachment Link)
Thread idea: Overpaying for vintage Pokemon cards (though not as much as in the heydey)- The Taboo Topic
Is that a thing? I still have like 4 of the original Charizard cards. I think I have all my cards in fact. Time to go sell on reddit for huge profit.
Original as in first-edition?
Breh.
PS
That Ancient Mew card was the hot peas. Worthless and useless, but still doper than most cards.
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Got a ton of those
Breh
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pokemon-Shadowless-1st-Edition-Charizard-Base-Set-4-102-PSA-Gem-Mint-10-/161832096634?hash=item25adf1d37a:g:KmkAAOSwu4BV47ho
Thread idea: Overpaying for vintage Pokemon cards (though not as much as in the heydey)- The Taboo Topic
Is that a thing? I still have like 4 of the original Charizard cards. I think I have all my cards in fact. Time to go sell on reddit for huge profit.
Original as in first-edition?
Breh.
PS
That Ancient Mew card was the hot peas. Worthless and useless, but still doper than most cards.
(Attachment Link)
Got a ton of those
Breh
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pokemon-Shadowless-1st-Edition-Charizard-Base-Set-4-102-PSA-Gem-Mint-10-/161832096634?hash=item25adf1d37a:g:KmkAAOSwu4BV47ho
Thread idea: Overpaying for vintage Pokemon cards (though not as much as in the heydey)- The Taboo Topic
Is that a thing? I still have like 4 of the original Charizard cards. I think I have all my cards in fact. Time to go sell on reddit for huge profit.
Original as in first-edition?
Breh.
PS
That Ancient Mew card was the hot peas. Worthless and useless, but still doper than most cards.
(Attachment Link)
Got a ton of those
Breh
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pokemon-Shadowless-1st-Edition-Charizard-Base-Set-4-102-PSA-Gem-Mint-10-/161832096634?hash=item25adf1d37a:g:KmkAAOSwu4BV47ho
lol Holy wow, totally forgot about the term "shadowless." :))
Original as in first-edition?
Breh.
PS
That Ancient Mew card was the hot peas. Worthless and useless, but still doper than most cards.
(Attachment Link)
For the record.
I would do some naughty stuff for a 1st edition charizard card.
That is all.
Meh. It's the same card as the non-first edition, which I have. Those little 1st-edition stamps always bothered me anyway.
'Cept on my Machamp.
I still remember opening that first starter deck and getting machamp...
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Classic MiTo. ****s on people, apologizes (in his own condescending way), then ****s on them again.
Kudos and Koala, I'm fairly sure that you understood that I used your sale model merely as an example to demonstrate the current situation of raffling and post-sale prices market. I literally said it was an example almost ten times. Don't let this individual twist what I said. Again, I bid you and Koala good luck moving forward to the star sale!
We're not factories, we're people.
The truth of the matter is, for us at least, artisan keycaps are just another medium we use to express ourselves artistically. To expect a person to keep doing what sells is how artists stagnate and grow to resent their work. There is no agenda, no raffle fixing, no conspiracy to game the after-market. We're just people who want to put out what we want, when we want, on our terms. Take it or leave it.
We're not factories, we're people.
The truth of the matter is, for us at least, artisan keycaps are just another medium we use to express ourselves artistically. To expect a person to keep doing what sells is how artists stagnate and grow to resent their work. There is no agenda, no raffle fixing, no conspiracy to game the after-market. We're just people who want to put out what we want, when we want, on our terms. Take it or leave it.
I comprehend and totally agree with this point of view. People will play the game under the rules.
Another topic - people obviously have different opinions but in my perception, when it comes to completely retiring designs, I don't see it as a maneuver to prevent a creative downfall. Under their own limitations in regards of production, of course, I think that all of the makers out here are good enough to keep creating innovative and interesting new things regardless if they are repeating things from the past every once in a while.
For example, I don't believe that you would stop being creative if you decided to relaunch the Snackeys with tropical fruits next summer. You are perfectly capable of creating new stuff and there will always be a public for the things you make because you're very skilled and talented. But if the fans love a previous work/collection of yours, why not give them a chance to obtain it? It would be very happy news for the customers that support you guys so much.
Using a very flat example, rerunning Pulse is not preventing me from creating new keysets. I will keep doing new things! But people liked Pulse and asked for it again, so why not do a quick break, run Pulse again, and then continue other projects after the rerun is done? Obviously the logistic aspects from submitting a keyset design can't be compared to creating an artisan, I'm just using a metaphor to try to explain that I believe that re-running projects from the past isn't something that harms future projects.
What do you think about this specific topic? Do you believe that it would be a cool move for the community if every once in a while collections made a return or do you think that completely retiring things for some particular reason is the way to go?
DISCLAIMER: I'm not forcing anybody to do anything, nor praising nor insulting anyone. I'm asking a simple question because I'm curious to see what Kudos and Koala think about releases and collections since they are artisan makers.
Fisherman, did you read the disclaimer? I am not trying to convince anybody to do anything, I'm asking a question to see what's the perspective of KK. If you want to discuss about a keyset, we can do it on the designated thread... Let's not deviate from the topic okay?
I'll never understand why Bro Caps don't wanna keep releasing new BroBot V2's collections, let's say every season. He already won the game. It's the greatest design of all time, he will never be able to change people's minds about that, no matter what new designs he invents. He already made something great and people love it, why not make it available for them?
I really cannot see the point of the thread, it is just a call for drama, if the intention is to achieve nothing, the mission has been accomplished.
I really cannot see the point of the thread, it is just a call for drama, if the intention is to achieve nothing, the mission has been accomplished.
dude, you're not actually manufacturing pulse set yourself. for reruns, all you have to do is ask SP and they do the all manufacturing. it's significantly more time consuming and a completely different story for artisan capmakers who have to cast keys themselves.
We're not factories, we're people.
The truth of the matter is, for us at least, artisan keycaps are just another medium we use to express ourselves artistically. To expect a person to keep doing what sells is how artists stagnate and grow to resent their work. There is no agenda, no raffle fixing, no conspiracy to game the after-market. We're just people who want to put out what we want, when we want, on our terms. Take it or leave it.
I comprehend and totally agree with this point of view. People will play the game under the rules.
Another topic - people obviously have different opinions but in my perception, when it comes to completely retiring designs, I don't see it as a maneuver to prevent a creative downfall. Under their own limitations in regards of production, of course, I think that all of the makers out here are good enough to keep creating innovative and interesting new things regardless if they are repeating things from the past every once in a while.
For example, I don't believe that you would stop being creative if you decided to relaunch the Snackeys with tropical fruits next summer. You are perfectly capable of creating new stuff and there will always be a public for the things you make because you're very skilled and talented. But if the fans love a previous work/collection of yours, why not give them a chance to obtain it? It would be very happy news for the customers that support you guys so much.
Using a very flat example, rerunning Pulse is not preventing me from creating new keysets. I will keep doing new things! But people liked Pulse and asked for it again, so why not do a quick break, run Pulse again, and then continue other projects after the rerun is done? Obviously the logistic aspects from submitting a keyset design can't be compared to creating an artisan, I'm just using a metaphor to try to explain that I believe that re-running projects from the past isn't something that harms future projects.
What do you think about this specific topic? Do you believe that it would be a cool move for the community if every once in a while collections made a return or do you think that completely retiring things for some particular reason is the way to go?
DISCLAIMER: I'm not forcing anybody to do anything, nor praising nor insulting anyone. I'm asking a simple question because I'm curious to see what Kudos and Koala think about releases and collections since they are artisan makers.
I really cannot see the point of the thread, it is just a call for drama, if the intention is to achieve nothing, the mission has been accomplished.
Obviously the logistic aspects from submitting a keyset design can't be compared to creating an artisan, I'm just using a metaphor
dude, you're not actually manufacturing pulse set yourself. for reruns, all you have to do is ask SP and they do the all manufacturing. it's significantly more time consuming and a completely different story for artisan capmakers who have to cast keys themselves.
I really cannot see the point of the thread, it is just a call for drama, if the intention is to achieve nothing, the mission has been accomplished.
Most people are here to discuss about overpriced artisans. My observation about potential re runs could (one more time - could) perhaps spark new ideas towards solving this "issue". The ones who are contributing with good arguments to the thread perhaps could make constructive observations about it, even though some keep insisting in manufacturing childish irrelevant drama for "fun" (wow, so funny, literally crying in laughter here). Not many people would pay $500 for a watermelon keycap knowing that eventually such keycap would be available from the maker himself some day.
Lmao this dude acts like he's in the factory churning out keysets. You really don't do a thing but ask SP and have MD ship everything.
I'm rerunning pulse and still making new keyset colors! Why can't you guy do the same with your artisan caps! It's so easy when others do the work!
Oh hey look!
It's a thread with only monkeys throwing only **** at each other and thinking that only they are better than the other.
Regardless of what side you guys are on, you're still throwing **** at someone and looking just as ridiculous. The only difference here is that one side is grossly bigger than the other for some reason.
Can we take a step back and breathe?
True artists should never make stuff to please "customers", they shoul do w/e they feel like doing without even looking at the results/sales. Otherwise they lose their creation liberty.
Oh hey look!
It's a thread with only monkeys throwing only **** at each other and thinking that only they are better than the other.
Regardless of what side you guys are on, you're still throwing **** at someone and looking just as ridiculous. The only difference here is that one side is grossly bigger than the other for some reason.
Can we take a step back and breathe?
True artists should never make stuff to please "customers", they shoul do w/e they feel like doing without even looking at the results/sales. Otherwise they lose their creation liberty.
I'm not so sure about that, musicians are true artists and they relaunch discs and performances to please their fans (and some do it for the bucks) very frequently. But I could be wrong though, what do you exactly mean with "creation liberty"? Is the "creation liberty" something related to actual items like sculptures and paintings (and can not be applied to music)?
Lmao this dude acts like he's in the factory churning out keysets. You really don't do a thing but ask SP and have MD ship everything.
I'm rerunning pulse and still making new keyset colors! Why can't you guy do the same with your artisan caps! It's so easy when others do the work!
I have a dream that one day you will understand what an example is, amigo. Nevertheless, if you think that organizing a GB is easy I'd like to invite you to launch one. Minimizing the work of others while not doing absolutely and literally anything is indeed very very easy.
Imo u stop being an artist when you lose the mentality of "this would be cool to do that" and go onto the "people will buy this" mentality.
But using it as an example as to why artisans don't do the same is stupid. Amigo.
Oh hey look!
It's a thread with only monkeys throwing only **** at each other and thinking that only they are better than the other.
Regardless of what side you guys are on, you're still throwing **** at someone and looking just as ridiculous. The only difference here is that one side is grossly bigger than the other for some reason.
Can we take a step back and breathe?
Oh hey look!
It's a thread with only monkeys throwing only **** at each other and thinking that only they are better than the other.
Regardless of what side you guys are on, you're still throwing **** at someone and looking just as ridiculous. The only difference here is that one side is grossly bigger than the other for some reason.
Can we take a step back and breathe?
This ^^
Let's all breathe before this thread self-destructs.
P.S. Isn't this "taboo topic" the main subject of the Clack Therapy thread, currently at 20,283 posts?
True artists should never make stuff to please "customers", they shoul do w/e they feel like doing without even looking at the results/sales. Otherwise they lose their creation liberty.
I'm not so sure about that, musicians are true artists and they relaunch discs and performances to please their fans (and some do it for the bucks) very frequently. But I could be wrong though, what do you exactly mean with "creation liberty"? Is the "creation liberty" something related to actual items like sculptures and paintings (and can not be applied to music)?
We could do an entire wiki about inflated artisan pricing.Let's do a wiki on how hash is the best mod ever.
True artists should never make stuff to please "customers", they shoul do w/e they feel like doing without even looking at the results/sales. Otherwise they lose their creation liberty.
I'm not so sure about that, musicians are true artists and they relaunch discs and performances to please their fans (and some do it for the bucks) very frequently. But I could be wrong though, what do you exactly mean with "creation liberty"? Is the "creation liberty" something related to actual items like sculptures and paintings (and can not be applied to music)?
Many musicians get really sick of playing the same 'hits' over and over and over again at each concert, for twenty years. Paying a manufacturer to reproduce an album release is not as close of a parallel to artisan caps as performing at a concert is (artisan makers re-cast their caps by hand, musicians re-perform the music every night). And yes, many musicians hate doing this (http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2014/jun/23/bands-hate-songs-led-zeppelin-stairway-heaven-radiohead-creep). Their fans believe that they are "owed" a performance of their favorite song, and many get pissed when it isn't played - but who are they to tell the musician which songs to perform?
But using it as an example as to why artisans don't do the same is stupid. Amigo.
I don't think you understand the difference between an example (what I did), and a comparison (what you think I did). I wasn't comparing anything, I used an example to explain a point of view, demik. Everybody here knows that making an artisan is way more laborious than submitting colors to Signature Plastics.
So back on topic I believe if you are going to splurge 500+ on a keycap why not buy the materials to make keycaps it is about $200 less to do it. Same with korean boards going for massive amounts now why not invest that 1k on prototyping? just my opinionPicasso and I can both spend $50 on art supplies. He will create a masterpiece and I'll stain my clothes. Lol
So back on topic I believe if you are going to splurge 500+ on a keycap why not buy the materials to make keycaps it is about $200 less to do it. Same with korean boards going for massive amounts now why not invest that 1k on prototyping? just my opinion
So back on topic I believe if you are going to splurge 500+ on a keycap why not buy the materials to make keycaps it is about $200 less to do it. Same with korean boards going for massive amounts now why not invest that 1k on prototyping? just my opinionthat won't get you a seat at the cool kids' table tho
le mastur troleSo back on topic I believe if you are going to splurge 500+ on a keycap why not buy the materials to make keycaps it is about $200 less to do it. Same with korean boards going for massive amounts now why not invest that 1k on prototyping? just my opinion
Because people who blow $500 on a cap are just costumers looking for a cool product to decorate their keyboards. They aren't really into the artisan details/dynamic in the first place.
So back on topic I believe if you are going to splurge 500+ on a keycap why not buy the materials to make keycaps it is about $200 less to do it. Same with korean boards going for massive amounts now why not invest that 1k on prototyping? just my opinionthat won't get you a seat at the cool kids' table tho
who bought themselves into popularity?can i buy ur trans blue topre clack? i feel like it will make me 2 cool 4 skool
If I'm going to spend hundreds on Starbucks every year, why don't I learn barista craft?yeah I understand your viewpoint some people dont have the time and have the money. I am not going to name names but I love to lurk and go detective and see who is who(yeah im that guy). Some of those people splurging are teens and very young adults(im young too) who are into specific things that will assist them in making keycaps or keyboards. For example I am into computer science and know some very basic electronics and I am already in process of making my own personal board.
I don't have the time and/or patience to learn that kind of stuff.
I only have so much time for so many things and maybe artisans are the kind of thing that I don't have the time to work with.
And think about it, if you earn enough to afford $500 plastic then you should be very careful with the likely limited amount of time you have.
I can see why people can justify such prices seeing as how some people collect 5-figure watches and 7-figure cars.
It's just unfortunate that the inflation of artisans affects a lot more people than it should in a negative way.
will trade my caps for popularity
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will trade my caps for popularity
pls respond
[H] Popularity [W] Your caps
will trade my caps for popularity
pls respond
[H] Popularity [W] Your caps
you aren't popular at all, terrible trade
Hey guys,Ty Bevo for reminding me of this thread :)) :)) :)) :))
Since I have joined in May of last year my knowledge of Mech Keyboards and Artsian Caps has grown so significantly. At first I though"woooo buy all the caps and all the keyboards!"
It is exciting to see some amazing functional art.
The HWS made my Binge, Click Clacks made by Clack, and Bro Caps by Bro. (And ALLL THE OTHERS!) have put hard work into making something awesome. But I feel like we have disrespected them. they put hard work into making a flawless cap with epic designs. They care to sell it to us at a reasonable cost and we take those 30-50$ caps and feel because maybe we got lucky in a sale or a give away that gives us the right to make a profit. Bro even called me out on it. I couldn't believe what I had fallen into.
I have seen the recent clacks on EBay and they are tempting but I will not bid on them. Why should someone who hoarded clacks when they were popular deserve to make a ton of money on them because the community has grown.
I'd like to see us sharing within the community to enjoy this Hobby together.
I like to collect caps because it is like art to me. Hell if Clack started making caps on the regular I'd give him 100! Rather than anyone else. I get the collecting addiction I have it too sometimes. All I want is like Hoot, a reaper, an astral BBv2 and a 3D clack. But if I saw them on eBay and they went more than 10$ over retail I will not support that type of action anymore.
I hope you guys don't get me wrong. These are also just MY opinions and mine alone and i just wanted to share since there are a lot of new people like myself.
I'd like to keep this thread friendly. If it gets out of hand I will lock it and have a mod delete it.
I hope we can do better moving forward. Remember you might make a buck or two throwing something up on eBay but it has the potential to then leave the community. We bring our hobby here, why not share it among the people that care to stay around. Imagine how happy we would all be if we could share this with everyone else.
Cheers.
My Best,
Pdub
Hey guys,Ty Bevo for reminding me of this thread :)) :)) :)) :))
Since I have joined in May of last year my knowledge of Mech Keyboards and Artsian Caps has grown so significantly. At first I though"woooo buy all the caps and all the keyboards!"
It is exciting to see some amazing functional art.
The HWS made my Binge, Click Clacks made by Clack, and Bro Caps by Bro. (And ALLL THE OTHERS!) have put hard work into making something awesome. But I feel like we have disrespected them. they put hard work into making a flawless cap with epic designs. They care to sell it to us at a reasonable cost and we take those 30-50$ caps and feel because maybe we got lucky in a sale or a give away that gives us the right to make a profit. Bro even called me out on it. I couldn't believe what I had fallen into.
I have seen the recent clacks on EBay and they are tempting but I will not bid on them. Why should someone who hoarded clacks when they were popular deserve to make a ton of money on them because the community has grown.
I'd like to see us sharing within the community to enjoy this Hobby together.
I like to collect caps because it is like art to me. Hell if Clack started making caps on the regular I'd give him 100! Rather than anyone else. I get the collecting addiction I have it too sometimes. All I want is like Hoot, a reaper, an astral BBv2 and a 3D clack. But if I saw them on eBay and they went more than 10$ over retail I will not support that type of action anymore.
I hope you guys don't get me wrong. These are also just MY opinions and mine alone and i just wanted to share since there are a lot of new people like myself.
I'd like to keep this thread friendly. If it gets out of hand I will lock it and have a mod delete it.
I hope we can do better moving forward. Remember you might make a buck or two throwing something up on eBay but it has the potential to then leave the community. We bring our hobby here, why not share it among the people that care to stay around. Imagine how happy we would all be if we could share this with everyone else.
Cheers.
My Best,
Pdub
Remember kids law-school don't pay itself.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ZwmOl3z.png)
SavageHey guys,Ty Bevo for reminding me of this thread :)) :)) :)) :))
Since I have joined in May of last year my knowledge of Mech Keyboards and Artsian Caps has grown so significantly. At first I though"woooo buy all the caps and all the keyboards!"
It is exciting to see some amazing functional art.
The HWS made my Binge, Click Clacks made by Clack, and Bro Caps by Bro. (And ALLL THE OTHERS!) have put hard work into making something awesome. But I feel like we have disrespected them. they put hard work into making a flawless cap with epic designs. They care to sell it to us at a reasonable cost and we take those 30-50$ caps and feel because maybe we got lucky in a sale or a give away that gives us the right to make a profit. Bro even called me out on it. I couldn't believe what I had fallen into.
I have seen the recent clacks on EBay and they are tempting but I will not bid on them. Why should someone who hoarded clacks when they were popular deserve to make a ton of money on them because the community has grown.
I'd like to see us sharing within the community to enjoy this Hobby together.
I like to collect caps because it is like art to me. Hell if Clack started making caps on the regular I'd give him 100! Rather than anyone else. I get the collecting addiction I have it too sometimes. All I want is like Hoot, a reaper, an astral BBv2 and a 3D clack. But if I saw them on eBay and they went more than 10$ over retail I will not support that type of action anymore.
I hope you guys don't get me wrong. These are also just MY opinions and mine alone and i just wanted to share since there are a lot of new people like myself.
I'd like to keep this thread friendly. If it gets out of hand I will lock it and have a mod delete it.
I hope we can do better moving forward. Remember you might make a buck or two throwing something up on eBay but it has the potential to then leave the community. We bring our hobby here, why not share it among the people that care to stay around. Imagine how happy we would all be if we could share this with everyone else.
Cheers.
My Best,
Pdub
Remember kids law-school don't pay itself.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ZwmOl3z.png)