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Title: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 30 April 2018, 10:48:52
6/24/18
Current status:
Submitted order and payment to JOlimon
Submitted invoice request to PCB designer, finalizing details of shipment with him
Submitted invoice request to GMK for the stabs, haven't heard back yet :(
Finalizing plate design since I missed a couple details in the recent protos, they'll be ready to submit for order soon
Case bumpons and stab washers are on hand

5/29/18
Worked with an extremely helpful PayPal service rep to get a workaround for the currently issues they're having, so I'll begin on the sorting and conversion process today and invoice should start being sent tomorrow since I have to go to my brothers' performance tonight.


Order form https://donutcables.com/budget96-gb-form/

For mobile/submission issues, use https://goo.gl/forms/hqQxX7NDdv2dpDbn1

Welcome to the long awaited GB for the budget96, the budget-friendly 96key kit.
(https://i.imgur.com/bTJ9ixr.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/bTJ9ixr.jpg)

This GB is intended to run from 4/30 to 5/27 with an estimated delivery date in June.

Some information on the components included in this GB:

The PCB
 - ps2avRGB by default, QMK support in progress
 - RGB underglow
 - in-switch backlighting support
 - multiple layout options shown below
 - available in both matte black and purple soldermask with gold immersion finish
(https://i.imgur.com/RmhcyOf.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/RmhcyOf.jpg)
Prototype PCB
(https://i.imgur.com/toK3xy7.png) (https://i.imgur.com/toK3xy7.png)
Supported Layouts

The Case
 - designed entirely by JOlimon of StrataKB
 - 1.6mm FR4 top and bottom plates in multiple colors
 - 9mm frosted acrylic middle layer
 - optional 9mm frosted acrylic
 - all assembly hardware and bumpons included
(https://i.imgur.com/Tix0WWZ.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/Tix0WWZ.jpg)

GMK Screw-in Stabs
 - packs of 6x2u+1x6u+1x7u
 - include plastic washers to prevent shorting


Pricing is as follows:

PCB - Per Color
 - 50MOQ - $30
 - 100MO - $28
 - 150MOQ - $25

Case Pieces
Plates - Per Color
 - 10 units - $25/set
 - 25 units - $20/set
 - 50 units - $17.5/set
 - 75 units - $15/set
 - 100 units - $14/set

Middles -
 - 15 units - $37/per
 - 30 units - $33/per
 - 60 units - $30/per

Hipro Layer
 - 15 units - $47/per
 - 30 units - $43/per
 - 60 units - $40/per

GMK Stabs -
 - 100MOQ - $13/set


Edit: Adding in shipping information since I missed it before like a dummy.

For shipping CONUS It'll be roughly $15 from me(east coast) to California via Priority with some insurance, meaning everywhere inbetween should be cheaper incrementally. For Canada, it looks like about $17 First Class Intl uninsured. For other intl countries it should be approximately $25 First Class Intl. If I see enough numbers to make a proxy price efficient then I'll hook up with them, but there has to be numbers shown in the order form to do that, so please order to show interest.

I think I've covered everything here, but be sure to let me know if you think anything is missing!
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 30 April 2018, 12:22:56
Since it's been asked in the Reddit posts, here's an album of most of my relevant pictures for the budget96 https://imgur.com/a/sacLlLG
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: MatchstickMan on Mon, 30 April 2018, 15:42:31
YES FINALLY
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 30 April 2018, 18:43:05
ordered... hope it was ok to just order pcbs cuz I had to choose a color for plates lol
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: OfTheWild on Mon, 30 April 2018, 19:20:00
as a 96key user, i love this project. I will try and convince some co-workers to jump on this.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: Ephemeral on Mon, 30 April 2018, 21:28:52
Ordered, hyped.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: Keebmeupscotty on Mon, 30 April 2018, 22:08:14
Nice job! Looks like you managed to get it in at 105 bucks with everything except the hipro plate. This will probably end up being the first board I attempt to build. I am just wondering if it might be possible to get just the plates and pcb (and assembly hardware/screws) without the middle acrylic? I like the look of it, but for like 40 bux on a board that is already budget minded, I would probably go w/o it and get an extra pcb if possible and just use an open middle with the standoffs in between the plates.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: azachhh on Tue, 01 May 2018, 08:51:57
Will you be posting updates to let us know where we stand in terms of MOQ throughout the GB? Or will we not know until the end?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 01 May 2018, 18:56:17
Welcome to the first update for the budget96! There's a lot of stuff to go over, so I'm gonna try a couple ways to do this before I settle.

Total Submissions - 29

Purple PCBs - 15/50
Black PCBs - 17/50

Black Plates - 13/25, 10MOQ hit
White Plates - 10/25, 10MOQ hit
Green Plates - 2/10
Blue Plates - 2/10

Middles - 27/30, 15MOQ hit
Hipro - 12/15

GMK Stabs - 29/100

ANALYSIS TIME

PCBs - Doing better than I expected for the first day, we're at almost 1/3 for purple, over 1/3 for black, so they're looking well on the way to MOQ and beyond.

Plates - Both the default colors have hit the lowest MOQ, so there's only price drops from here on out for them! I must say I did expect the blue plates to make an appearance, but I didn't actually expect the green ones to show up, so we'll see how far they go.

Acrylic layers - Middles have easily surpassed the lowest MOQ and are toeing the line of the next price drop. Hipro are actually more popular than I expected and I forsee them easily hitting lowest MOQ and getting along nicely.

GMK Stabs - 1 set of stabs per order placed, on average, not bad indeed. These should have no issue hitting MOQ.

So here's the current state of component pricing:

PCBs - $30, ~1/3 to MOQ

All Plates - $25, next price break at 25units/color

Middles - $37, three more to $33
Hipro - $40, three more to MOQ

GMK Stabs - $13

We've had lots of progress in the first day, so hopefully we can keep this up! I'm hoping this breakdown was easy to understand and I'll be looking to update at least every few days if not sooner. Don't be afraid to ask any questions you may have!
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: Kavik on Wed, 02 May 2018, 00:08:45
Does the most barebones kit possible require only PCB, case, and plate? The middle piece and hipro are cosmetic add-ons basically. Is that correct?

EDIT: I looked at the order-form, and it sounds as if the middle is required and includes all the screws and such. Still a little confused though; I'm not familiar with sandwich cases.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: Tree_ on Wed, 02 May 2018, 01:07:38
Does the most barebones kit possible require only PCB, case, and plate? The middle piece and hipro are cosmetic add-ons basically. Is that correct?

EDIT: I looked at the order-form, and it sounds as if the middle is required and includes all the screws and such. Still a little confused though; I'm not familiar with sandwich cases.

The plates and acrylic middle make up the case.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: att1cus on Wed, 02 May 2018, 16:49:38
cant wait to get my hands on that purp PCB!
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: azachhh on Wed, 02 May 2018, 16:50:57
Just placed an order for two full sets!
Depending on what MOQs are hit....may grab another.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: Kavik on Wed, 02 May 2018, 21:06:42
Does the most barebones kit possible require only PCB, case, and plate? The middle piece and hipro are cosmetic add-ons basically. Is that correct?

EDIT: I looked at the order-form, and it sounds as if the middle is required and includes all the screws and such. Still a little confused though; I'm not familiar with sandwich cases.

The plates and acrylic middle make up the case.

Ooooh, I get it. Thanks. For some reason, I read case, plate, and middle as separate pieces instead of the latter two's being a subset of the former.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 03 May 2018, 15:19:13
Figured I'd post today's updated a little early since I'll be spending the evening working on OG Coil invoicing.

Pasted from my comment on Reddit, so let me know if the formatting messes up part of it.

PCBs
    Matte black - 21/50
    Purple - 20/50

Plates
    White - 10/25, 10 MOQ hit!
    Black - 16/25, 10 MOQ hit!
    Blue - 2/10
    Green - 2/10
    Yellow - 1/10

Middle and Hipro layers
    Middles - 33/60, 15 MOQ and 30 unit price drop hit!
    Hipro - 14/15

Middles are now down to the $33 price point!

Good numbers so far and I look forward to seeing what we can reach throughout the rest of the month.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: bball2 on Thu, 03 May 2018, 23:05:38
Do you need a mid or hipro layer to complete the kit? Or will just the plate be sufficient?

Also is the top keyboard here an example of the "white" case? Ie) somewhat transparent with the underglow?

https://i.imgur.com/Tix0WWZ.jpg
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: Tree_ on Fri, 04 May 2018, 03:39:42
I don't think this has been asked at any point: Will the production plates have anything written on them like all the ones pictured do ("Prototype by...")?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: rockydbull on Fri, 04 May 2018, 08:00:22
Do you need a mid or hipro layer to complete the kit? Or will just the plate be sufficient?

Also is the top keyboard here an example of the "white" case? Ie) somewhat transparent with the underglow?

https://i.imgur.com/Tix0WWZ.jpg

My understanding is that a mid layer is needed based on the hardware used to secure the plates. The case you reference in the picture is translucent acrylic and is not an example of the white case. The white pcb material is the same level opaqueness as the green but in gloss like white. The white is good at reflecting the rgb off the bottom plate and out the middle acrylic though.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: HotRoderX on Sat, 05 May 2018, 03:10:25
just wanted to be clear if we order this now we don't get a invoice tell the buy ends?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 05 May 2018, 10:50:49
Do you need a mid or hipro layer to complete the kit? Or will just the plate be sufficient?

Also is the top keyboard here an example of the "white" case? Ie) somewhat transparent with the underglow?

https://i.imgur.com/Tix0WWZ.jpg

Mid is required, hipro is not. The board in that picture is the all acrylic Rev1 prototype.

I don't think this has been asked at any point: Will the production plates have anything written on them like all the ones pictured do ("Prototype by...")?

There will be no silkscreen visible once the case is assembled. There will be some on the inside of the plates where it won't be visible in normal use since the manu forces a production number onto everything, and I may include some.

just wanted to be clear if we order this now we don't get a invoice tell the buy ends?

Correct, invoicing will not happen until the GB period is over.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: tanvir175 on Sun, 06 May 2018, 18:20:22
The PCB would work with the Espectro right? I would be able to just use the Espectro case+plate along with this PCB?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 06 May 2018, 18:48:08
The PCB would work with the Espectro right? I would be able to just use the Espectro case+plate along with this PCB?

It should work with any case that has the USB port between column 0 and column 1 on the left side. Can't be 100% certain though.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: tanvir175 on Sun, 06 May 2018, 18:53:18
The PCB would work with the Espectro right? I would be able to just use the Espectro case+plate along with this PCB?

It should work with any case that has the USB port between column 0 and column 1 on the left side. Can't be 100% certain though.

Alright thanks, I'll check the espectro thread to confirm.

Edit: Looks like it'll work. I'll be in for two PCB's, one of each.

Edit 2: There isn't an option to not buy the plate?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 06 May 2018, 20:02:46
You choose a plate color and then just pick 0 on the case kit since the case kit includes the plates.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: tanvir175 on Sun, 06 May 2018, 21:04:01
You choose a plate color and then just pick 0 on the case kit since the case kit includes the plates.

Gotcha. Submitted for 1 purple and 1 matte black PCB.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 08 May 2018, 12:41:05
Alright, time for an update. The last one seemed to work well, so I'll try doing that again.

PCBs
    Matte black - 31/50
    Purple - 29/50

Plates
    White - 19/25, 10 MOQ hit!
    Black - 22/25, 10 MOQ hit!
    Blue - 2/10
    Green - 4/10
    Yellow - 1/10

Middle and Hipro layers
    Middles - 47/60, 15 MOQ and 30 unit price drop hit!
    Hipro - 18/30, 15 MOQ hit!

GMK Stabs - 53/100

Current prices:
PCBs - $30/each
Plates - $25/set
Middles - $37 $33
Hipro - $47
Stabs - $13

Looking really good for just overt a week at this point and we're well on track to hit all the MOQs we need and a good few price drops as well!
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 11 May 2018, 14:51:53
Time for another update on numbers!

PCBs
    Matte black - 36/50
    Purple - 32/50

Plates
    White - 22/25, 10 MOQ hit!
    Black - 25/50, 10 MOQ hit, 25 unit price drop hit!
    Blue - 2/10
    Green - 5/10
    Yellow - 1/10

Middle and Hipro layers
    Middles - 54/60, 15 MOQ and 30 unit price drop hit!
    Hipro - 19/30, 15 MOQ hit!

GMK Stabs - 60/100

Current prices:
PCBs - $30/each
Plates - $25/set, Black plates - $20/set
Middles - $37 $33
Hipro - $47
Stabs - $13

Base kit(PCB, case kit) - $88
Base kit black plates - $83

Black plates are the first to hit the first price break with white not far behind, dropping base kit prices $5. Middles are 90% of the way to hitting their final price drop bringing the base kit price down another $3 when they do.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: HotRoderX on Fri, 11 May 2018, 21:29:01
am excited got my order in today I am thinking might do a Ultra Violet Build are maybe a Orange Build are Maybe something wild. I mean options are limitless and if the prices keep going down might have to grab another PCB and plate to have extra options down the road

Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 13 May 2018, 19:08:25
Figure I'll post another update since we hit a couple price drops this weekend:

PCBs
    Matte black - 41/50
    Purple - 36/50

Plates
    White - 25/50, 10 MOQ hit, 25 unit price drop hit!
    Black - 28/50, 10 MOQ hit, 25 unit price drop hit!
    Blue - 2/10
    Green - 6/10
    Yellow - 1/10
    Red - 1/10

Middle and Hipro layers
    Middles - 62/60, 15 MOQ 30 unit and 60 unit price drops hit!
    Hipro - 23/30, 15 MOQ hit!

GMK Stabs - 68/100

Current prices:
PCBs - $30/each
Plates - $25/set, Black and White plates - $20/set
Middles - $37 $33 $30!
Hipro - $47
Stabs - $13

Base kit(PCB, case kit) current price - $85
Base kit w/ black/white plates - $80

Continuing to do well, PCBs are doing very nicely and I expect them to hit MOQ without help. Middles are at their lowest price. Plate price drops will be the majority of price reductions from here on out.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Sun, 13 May 2018, 19:37:31
Is the moq for stabilizers 100? Or are you selling them regardless and 100 is a price drop?

If it's moq, i can add a couple more to my order.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 13 May 2018, 20:38:20
Is the moq for stabilizers 100? Or are you selling them regardless and 100 is a price drop?

If it's moq, i can add a couple more to my order.

That's MOQ, though if they get reasonably close without hitting I'm willing to buy to MOQ.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Sun, 13 May 2018, 20:50:49
Is the moq for stabilizers 100? Or are you selling them regardless and 100 is a price drop?

If it's moq, i can add a couple more to my order.

That's MOQ, though if they get reasonably close without hitting I'm willing to buy to MOQ.

Okay thanks. Either way, I think I ordered 2, can you bump that up to 4?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 13 May 2018, 21:02:25
Is the moq for stabilizers 100? Or are you selling them regardless and 100 is a price drop?

If it's moq, i can add a couple more to my order.

That's MOQ, though if they get reasonably close without hitting I'm willing to buy to MOQ.

Okay thanks. Either way, I think I ordered 2, can you bump that up to 4?

NP bby.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 17 May 2018, 14:11:00
Numbers update as usual:

PCBs
    Matte black - 45/50
    Purple - 38/50

Plates
    White - 25/50, 10 MOQ hit, 25 unit price drop hit!
    Black - 30/50, 10 MOQ hit, 25 unit price drop hit!
    Blue - 3/10
    Green - 6/10
    Red - 1/10
    Yellow - 1/10
   

Middle and Hipro layers
    Middles - 66/60, 15 MOQ 30 unit and 60 unit price drops hit!
    Hipro - 24/30, 15 MOQ hit!

GMK Stabs - 73/100

Current prices:
PCBs - $30/each
Plates - $25/set, Black and White plates - $20/set
Middles - $37 $33 $30!
Hipro - $47
Stabs - $13

Base kit(PCB, case kit) current price - $85
Base kit w/ black/white plates - $80

We had a couple order drops this week, but I'm still happy where the numbers are going.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: azachhh on Thu, 17 May 2018, 15:21:40
loving these numbers! would love to see the white & black plates hit 50 (since I ordered one of each  ;D ).
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: theraphosa13 on Sat, 19 May 2018, 23:01:01
Dumb question; Should i have gotten any sort of confirmation for filling out the order form? I never saw anything in my email and was just worried i may have goofed on my order.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 19 May 2018, 23:25:08
Afaik no confirmations since I've got it set to not automatically pick up emails.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: Blar on Sun, 20 May 2018, 09:35:49
Very interested in joining, pardon my ignorance, but to be clear hipro layers mean high profile?
Just extra standoffs with a third plate?   :^)
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 20 May 2018, 10:32:42
Very interested in joining, pardon my ignorance, but to be clear hipro layers mean high profile?
Just extra standoffs with a third plate?   :^)

Hipro is high profile, and in this case it's an acrylic layer similar to this picture but frosted like the middles will be
(https://i.imgur.com/Kegkuj0.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/Kegkuj0.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: sacklunch on Sun, 20 May 2018, 18:23:49
In for an order!

Will the writing be on the case (budget 96 etc.)? I actually kind of like it.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 20 May 2018, 18:34:34
In for an order!

Will the writing be on the case (budget 96 etc.)? I actually kind of like it.

No silkscreen will be visible on the outside, there will be some on the inside where it's not visible in use.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 20 May 2018, 22:42:49
Little update for tonight, we've hit the MOQ for matte black PCBs and the price drop point for the hipro layers. Additionally, we're close enough to MOQ on purple PCBs that I'm going to call it as having hit MOQ as well. GMK stabs I'm also willing to push to MOQ from this point, so I'll also consider them as hit MOQ. Current numbers below:


PCBs
    Matte black - 50/100, 50 MOQ hit!
    Purple - 45/100, pushed to 50 MOQ!

Plates
    White - 29/50, 10 MOQ hit, 25 unit price drop hit!
    Black - 36/50, 10 MOQ hit, 25 unit price drop hit!
    Blue - 5/10
    Green - 7/10
    Red - 1/10
    Yellow - 1/10
   

Middle and Hipro layers
    Middles - 80/60, 15 MOQ 30 unit and 60 unit price drops hit!
    Hipro - 30/30, 15 MOQ hit, 30 unit price drop hit!

GMK Stabs - 84/100, pushed to MOQ!

Current prices:
PCBs - $30/each, both at MOQ
Plates - $25/set, Black and White plates - $25 $20/set!
Middles - $37 $33 $30!
Hipro - $47 $43
Stabs - $13, at MOQ!

Base kit(PCB, case kit) current price - $85
Base kit w/ black/white plates - $80
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: MeowiWaui on Mon, 21 May 2018, 03:06:08
Just joined!

Looking forward to this.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: bun on Mon, 21 May 2018, 04:48:56
Keen to join the group buy for green plates for the nuclear data set I managed to get a few weeks back from pmk  ;D

Question... the moq for green plates is 7, assuming I am the only further buyer for green, giving 8 sets ordered and therefore 2 lower than MOQ, what happens? Green is the only colour i'm keen on so i'm not sure what happens if you order and the MOQ isn't met.

New to group buys on GH, hence the question.

Thanks much.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: LogicBomb on Mon, 21 May 2018, 12:05:26
Keen to join the group buy for green plates for the nuclear data set I managed to get a few weeks back from pmk  ;D

Question... the moq for green plates is 7, assuming I am the only further buyer for green, giving 8 sets ordered and therefore 2 lower than MOQ, what happens? Green is the only colour i'm keen on so i'm not sure what happens if you order and the MOQ isn't met.

New to group buys on GH, hence the question.

Thanks much.

On the order page you select a fallback plate color (white/black) in case the color you choose doesn't hit MOQ.

Green is so close, I hope it hits MOQ...
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 21 May 2018, 12:18:37
Keen to join the group buy for green plates for the nuclear data set I managed to get a few weeks back from pmk  ;D

Question... the moq for green plates is 7, assuming I am the only further buyer for green, giving 8 sets ordered and therefore 2 lower than MOQ, what happens? Green is the only colour i'm keen on so i'm not sure what happens if you order and the MOQ isn't met.

New to group buys on GH, hence the question.

Thanks much.

In the form there's an option for choosing one of the default plate colors(black/white) in the event your first choice doesn't hit MOQ. In this particular case, 8 is close enough that I'm willing to push it to 10 MOQ.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 23 May 2018, 13:54:45
Today's numbers:


PCBs
    Matte black - 52/100, 50 MOQ hit!
    Purple - 46/100, pushed to 50 MOQ!

Plates
    White - 30/50, 10 MOQ hit, 25 unit price drop hit!
    Black - 38/50, 10 MOQ hit, 25 unit price drop hit!
    Blue - 5/10
    Green - 8/25, pushed to 10 MOQ!
    Red - 1/10
    Yellow - 1/10
   

Middle and Hipro layers
    Middles - 83/60, 15 MOQ 30 unit and 60 unit price drops hit!
    Hipro - 30/30, 15 MOQ hit, 30 unit price drop hit!

GMK Stabs - 88/100, pushed to MOQ!

Current prices:
PCBs - $30/each, both at MOQ
Plates - $25/set, Black and White plates - $25 $20/set!
Middles - $37 $33 $30!
Hipro - $47 $43
Stabs - $13, at MOQ!

Base kit(PCB, case kit) current price - $85
Base kit w/ black/white plates - $80

Looking pretty steady here on the home stretch. I was wanting to get us to 100 total orders, but even if we don't we've done well on all the MOQs and price points. JOlimon is sure to have his hands full with all of these case kits to work on :P

Blue, Red, and Yellow plates are currently struggling. If there's anyone that really wants those to hit, please join. It'd be awesome to see those hit MOQ, but I just can't afford to push them when there's this few ordered.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 25 May 2018, 12:45:46
Today's numbers:


PCBs
    Matte black - 57/100, 50 MOQ hit!
    Purple - 50/100, 50 MOQ hit!

Plates
    White - 33/50, 10 MOQ hit, 25 unit price drop hit!
    Black - 41/50, 10 MOQ hit, 25 unit price drop hit!
    Blue - 6/10
    Green - 10/25, 10 MOQ hit!
    Red - 1/10
    Yellow - 1/10
   

Middle and Hipro layers
    Middles - 91/60, 15 MOQ 30 unit and 60 unit price drops hit!
    Hipro - 33/60, 15 MOQ hit, 30 unit price drop hit!

GMK Stabs - 98/100, pushed to MOQ!

Current prices:
PCBs - $30/each, both at MOQ
Plates - $25/set, Black and White plates - $25 $20/set!
Middles - $37 $33 $30!
Hipro - $47 $43
Stabs - $13

Base kit(PCB, case kit) current price - $85
Base kit w/ black/white plates - $80

Orders still slowly making their way in. At this point most everything has hit base MOQ by itself. Blue is still right on the edge of being able to push it there, yellow and red are still behind and even though I want to see them made it's not viable at this low a number. If you really want to see them made as well now is the time to join!
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: kmfmppl on Sun, 27 May 2018, 13:10:37
Entered, hyped! :D  Any chance of a EU proxy for this, or is that out of the question with the origin of orders so far?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 27 May 2018, 13:48:54
Last day for orders, here's where we're at right now

PCBs
    Purple - 53/100, 50 MOQ hit!
    Matte black - 63/100, 50 MOQ hit!
   

Plates
    Black - 43/50, 10 MOQ hit, 25 unit price drop hit!
    White - 36/50, 10 MOQ hit, 25 unit price drop hit!
    Blue - 7/10, pushed to 10 MOQ!
    Green - 11/25, 10 MOQ hit!
    Red - 1/10
    Yellow - 2/10
   

Middle and Hipro layers
    Middles - 99/60, 15 MOQ 30 unit and 60 unit price drops hit!
    Hipro - 36/60, 15 MOQ hit, 30 unit price drop hit!

GMK Stabs - 107/100, pushed to MOQ!

Current prices:
PCBs - $30/each, both at MOQ
Plates - $25/set, Black and White plates - $25 $20/set!
Middles - $37 $33 $30!
Hipro - $47 $43
Stabs - $13

Base kit(PCB, case kit) current price - $85
Base kit w/ black/white plates - $80

Most components have hit base MOQ, some have hit price breaks, and some haven't hit. Blue plates are close enough I'm willing to push them at this point, but more orders for them wouldn't hurt. Red and yellow currently aren't close to MOQ, and trying to push them at this point would detract too much from my ability to have backup materials on hand for the buy. For those three that ordered them, unless there's significant orders in the next 24hrs you'll be kicked to your backup choices. Other than that, expect invoicing to begin in the next couple days after I've had time to collect submission data and transfer it to invoicing.

Entered, hyped! :D  Any chance of a EU proxy for this, or is that out of the question with the origin of orders so far?

We're actually up to 10-11 EU orders right now, so that could definitely be an option. I'll have to check with my usual EU proxy buddy and see what the prices would be for bulk shipment to them and then their domestic shipping.

Also, I would like to reiterate, please read the form and don't put your email in the physical shipping address box. Additionally, put the entire address that I ask for and not just the street address. I'm getting quite tired of the extra work this causes me as well as the extra time it adds to the GB fulfillment having to go and get this information when it should have been given in the form. Beginning in my next GB, whatever that may be, I'll begin more strictly enforcing this with order cancellations and possible blacklisting like I've begun enforcing with invoice dodgers.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 27 May 2018, 16:34:24
Also, something else of interest, if you are one of the people looking for assembly for your board, when you get your initial invoice just message/email me to let me know and I'll adjust the invoice. A couple people have already mentioned it in the form and contacted me, and I want to be sure I get to everyone that wants it.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 27 May 2018, 19:08:24
Also, something else of interest, if you are one of the people looking for assembly for your board, when you get your initial invoice just message/email me to let me know and I'll adjust the invoice. A couple people have already mentioned it in the form and contacted me, and I want to be sure I get to everyone that wants it.
How much is assembly?

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Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 27 May 2018, 19:41:14
Assembly will be $25 for just switches(supplied by you) and +$8 for in-switch LEDs. Details will be worked out in email on a case-by-case basis.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: kmfmppl on Mon, 28 May 2018, 09:57:57
We're actually up to 10-11 EU orders right now, so that could definitely be an option. I'll have to check with my usual EU proxy buddy and see what the prices would be for bulk shipment to them and then their domestic shipping.

Sweet!
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: Butter on Mon, 28 May 2018, 12:31:56
Will the pcb fit ZZ96?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 28 May 2018, 13:12:02
Will the pcb fit ZZ96?

Looks like it will according to the standoffs in the case.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 28 May 2018, 15:05:41
Small update, PayPal is apparently having an issue on their end with their batch invoicing setup so I'm currently unable to work on the invoices until that's back up and running. In the meantime I'll just leave the form open since we actually gained 25 orders in the past 24hrs, a huge boost. Here's where we are on the numbers right now


PCBs
    Purple - 60/100, 50 MOQ hit!
    Matte black - 77/100, 50 MOQ hit!
   

Plates
    Black - 48/50, 10 MOQ hit, 25 unit price drop hit!
    White - 46/50, 10 MOQ hit, 25 unit price drop hit!
    Blue - 7/10, pushed to 10 MOQ!
    Green - 11/25, 10 MOQ hit!
    Red - 1/10
    Yellow - 3/10
   

Middle and Hipro layers
    Middles - 119/60, 15 MOQ 30 unit and 60 unit price drops hit!
    Hipro - 40/60, 15 MOQ hit, 30 unit price drop hit!

GMK Stabs - 126/100, pushed to MOQ!

Current prices:
PCBs - $30/each, both at MOQ
Plates - $25/set, Black and White plates - $25 $20/set!
Middles - $37 $33 $30!
Hipro - $47 $43
Stabs - $13

Base kit(PCB, case kit) current price - $85
Base kit w/ black/white plates - $80

An absolutely huge push on the PCBs with a good push for the plates as well. White and black plates are so close I know they'll be able to hit with the form open another day or so. Hell, the black PCBs might even have a chance at the price drop at this rate :3
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 Now Live!
Post by: ideus on Mon, 28 May 2018, 17:39:43
It is really great to see interest in affordable custom keyboards. This initiative takes the keyboard to its roots: afordability, efficiency and convinience for computer input needs.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoicing in progress, form still open
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 29 May 2018, 15:54:16
5/29/18
Worked with an extremely helpful PayPal service rep to get a workaround for the currently issues they're having, so I'll begin on the sorting and conversion process today and invoice should start being sent tomorrow since I have to go to my brothers' performance tonight. I'm leaving the form open while working on the invoices in case any stragglers want to get in.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoicing in progress, form still open
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 30 May 2018, 16:27:09
Invoices should be sent now. Be sure to let me know if anything is incorrect before you pay it so I can still edit the invoice. Shipping will be invoiced when stuff is ready to ship out since some design changes have made the weights a little different. For the few of you that have ordered them, Red and Yellow plates will also be produced since I was able to wiggle a little bit to be able to order them.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoicing in progress, form still open
Post by: danielucf on Wed, 30 May 2018, 16:27:10
Just got my invoice but it didn't include shipping. Is that going to be charged later?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoicing in progress, form still open
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Wed, 30 May 2018, 16:30:20
It's happening!!



Just got my invoice but it didn't include shipping. Is that going to be charged later?

... Shipping will be invoiced when stuff is ready to ship out since some design changes have made the weights a little different. ...
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoicing in progress, form still open
Post by: LogicBomb on Wed, 30 May 2018, 16:32:18
Paid! Super exited for these. Glad red and yellow plates are being made too.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoicing in progress, form still open
Post by: HotRoderX on Wed, 30 May 2018, 16:35:21
Got the invoice but had a quick question. I noticed the middle layer wasn't being shown, Thought it did show 1 Case Kit Which could be the middle. I wanted to double check thought.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoicing in progress, form still open
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 30 May 2018, 17:09:24
Got the invoice but had a quick question. I noticed the middle layer wasn't being shown, Thought it did show 1 Case Kit Which could be the middle. I wanted to double check thought.

Case kit includes the middle piece like it did on the form submission.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: _joe_king on Wed, 30 May 2018, 17:20:23
Paid! Thanks for doing this GB :)
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: sacklunch on Wed, 30 May 2018, 17:43:45
Paid; thanks dude!
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: kmfmppl on Thu, 31 May 2018, 03:56:14
Paid! Great that so many options are being made :) personally doing a white build, but looking forward to see the yellow ones
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: Sifo on Thu, 31 May 2018, 09:59:48
paed
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 01 June 2018, 15:15:50
Sitting at 33 unpaid right now with 2 drops so far, not bad so far. I've talked with a couple people about some delayed payments so that's no biggie. Hoping to have all payments and be ready to start placing orders by the end of next week. Right now the order priority is PCBs and acrylic layers since they seem to be what's going to take the longest. We've actually got quite a few more PCBs than the manu anticipated, so right now the estimate on their production is 20-30 days, but that might go up. I'm also ordering another set of proto plates later today to check all the cutouts for the compatible layouts and to doublecheck that our mounting solution for the countersunk screws isn't going to cause any issues.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 05 June 2018, 12:20:09
23 unpaid right now. Reminder that the technical due date for payment is tomorrow, so please remember to pay. Also a reminder that dodging invoices makes you subject to my terms and conditions page linked in the invoices, which may include blacklisting from future invoiced sales and GBs I conduct.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: kyoumau on Tue, 05 June 2018, 13:03:44
The shipping fees to Canada will be 17$? Or higher?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 05 June 2018, 13:08:36
The shipping fees to Canada will be 17$? Or higher?

We actually got 8 orders for Canada, so I'll be looking for a proxy to help keep shipping costs down. Should also help with customs fees and such as well.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: azachhh on Thu, 07 June 2018, 14:56:52
Whatís the good word? Everybody pay up??
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 07 June 2018, 16:42:43
12 currently that haven't paid. I'll begin aggressive reminders while working on the 2nd round of invoices on the few late submissions.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: HotRoderX on Thu, 07 June 2018, 19:42:48
I got mine paid up and am now super excited. I am thinking might get some extra Mod-H switches or do some DIY switches ((First set)) for this board. I been given some thought to transplanting Burnt orange springs into some linear's.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: azachhh on Thu, 07 June 2018, 20:36:59
12 currently that haven't paid. I'll begin aggressive reminders while working on the 2nd round of invoices on the few late submissions.

How will non payment affect price points? If at all.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: kyoumau on Sat, 09 June 2018, 20:16:13
12 currently that haven't paid. I'll begin aggressive reminders while working on the 2nd round of invoices on the few late submissions.

So, did they pay? How will that affect?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 09 June 2018, 21:55:03
Non-payment of those invoices will at most affect numbers slightly on some of the plates, but I will keep everything as it is for those who paid invoices even if that happens.

An additional reminder that invoice dodging puts you on a blacklist for future sales from me, as per my terms and conditions linked in the invoices.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: kyoumau on Sat, 09 June 2018, 22:41:49
Non-payment of those invoices will at most affect numbers slightly on some of the plates, but I will keep everything as it is for those who paid invoices even if that happens.

An additional reminder that invoice dodging puts you on a blacklist for future sales from me, as per my terms and conditions linked in the invoices.

Nice. ( That's why I paid you, I didn't want to be banned for all the interesting gmk sets that you'll maybe run one day XD )
Do you have and estimation date when will you be able to ship?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: HotRoderX on Sun, 10 June 2018, 01:39:32
Non-payment of those invoices will at most affect numbers slightly on some of the plates, but I will keep everything as it is for those who paid invoices even if that happens.

An additional reminder that invoice dodging puts you on a blacklist for future sales from me, as per my terms and conditions linked in the invoices.


Hope you got mine I paid it a few days ago. I am sure you did and yea invoice dogging is kinda crap. The least they could do is contact you to let ya know something came up.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 10 June 2018, 12:51:08
I'm tolerant of people that will take the time to contact me to tell me something's up and they can't pay or need an extension, but I have no patience anymore for people that can't be bothered and just ignore the invoice. I used to think it pretty harsh when I saw artisan makers doing it, but after long enough dealing with people like this I can completely understand it now.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: kyoumau on Sun, 10 June 2018, 13:03:30
I'm tolerant of people that will take the time to contact me to tell me something's up and they can't pay or need an extension, but I have no patience anymore for people that can't be bothered and just ignore the invoice. I used to think it pretty harsh when I saw artisan makers doing it, but after long enough dealing with people like this I can completely understand it now.

Yeah, it's pretty impolite. The GB is like an agreement between 2 sides, and both sides should honor their part in the agreement.
I hope it won't affect too much in your finances.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: ZROGST on Sun, 10 June 2018, 14:48:31
I joined the GB for this and I'm excited about the timing I caught it at.   This will be one of my first board builds, so I'd love for the guys who also got kits to post some build logs either here or on youtube so I can board-a-long with you
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Sun, 10 June 2018, 22:05:49
I joined the GB for this and I'm excited about the timing I caught it at.   This will be one of my first board builds, so I'd love for the guys who also got kits to post some build logs either here or on youtube so I can board-a-long with you

I terrible at build logs, let alone pictures. But I happy to help your with any questions during your build.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 12 June 2018, 13:33:25
Alright, good news:bad news time. Good news: the most recent protos are here for testing the cutouts for all of the possible layouts. Haven't be able to test them just yet though. Bad news: the quality of the plates is absolutely the worst I've ever seen on PCBs. If you want to see the damage, check https://imgur.com/a/lKlwRHB. I'm contacting them to see what they say about it and hopefully this isn't indicative of what to expect during the GB.

Second round invoices will be going out here shortly. They'll have a one week deadline. We still have 11 unpaid invoices. I will be starting aggressive reminders until the second round deadline before removing those orders and blacklisting the emails.

Some bits are already in like the bumpons for the cases and the washers for the stabs. As soon as invoices are paid I can submit the orders for the other components.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: _joe_king on Tue, 12 June 2018, 17:32:17
Wow! hopefully that is just them sending out samples for layout purposes and not indicative of whats to come!!!

Alright, good news:bad news time. Good news: the most recent protos are here for testing the cutouts for all of the possible layouts. Haven't be able to test them just yet though. Bad news: the quality of the plates is absolutely the worst I've ever seen on PCBs. If you want to see the damage, check https://imgur.com/a/lKlwRHB. I'm contacting them to see what they say about it and hopefully this isn't indicative of what to expect during the GB.

Second round invoices will be going out here shortly. They'll have a one week deadline. We still have 11 unpaid invoices. I will be starting aggressive reminders until the second round deadline before removing those orders and blacklisting the emails.

Some bits are already in like the bumpons for the cases and the washers for the stabs. As soon as invoices are paid I can submit the orders for the other components.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Tue, 12 June 2018, 21:35:05
Alright, good news:bad news time. Good news: the most recent protos are here for testing the cutouts for all of the possible layouts. Haven't be able to test them just yet though. Bad news: the quality of the plates is absolutely the worst I've ever seen on PCBs. If you want to see the damage, check https://imgur.com/a/lKlwRHB. I'm contacting them to see what they say about it and hopefully this isn't indicative of what to expect during the GB.

Second round invoices will be going out here shortly. They'll have a one week deadline. We still have 11 unpaid invoices. I will be starting aggressive reminders until the second round deadline before removing those orders and blacklisting the emails.

Some bits are already in like the bumpons for the cases and the washers for the stabs. As soon as invoices are paid I can submit the orders for the other components.

Damn. I explained that album to be like 3 or 4 pics. But it went on forever!
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: HotRoderX on Tue, 12 June 2018, 23:27:59
Alright, good news:bad news time. Good news: the most recent protos are here for testing the cutouts for all of the possible layouts. Haven't be able to test them just yet though. Bad news: the quality of the plates is absolutely the worst I've ever seen on PCBs. If you want to see the damage, check https://imgur.com/a/lKlwRHB. I'm contacting them to see what they say about it and hopefully this isn't indicative of what to expect during the GB.

Second round invoices will be going out here shortly. They'll have a one week deadline. We still have 11 unpaid invoices. I will be starting aggressive reminders until the second round deadline before removing those orders and blacklisting the emails.

Some bits are already in like the bumpons for the cases and the washers for the stabs. As soon as invoices are paid I can submit the orders for the other components.

Whats the plan if the manufacture say's thats as good as they will promise quality wise? Would you look for another manufacture or just go with that one and hope for the best.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 15 June 2018, 20:56:49
JLC claims they'll do their best to avoid these issues in the future. I'm hoping they do, because the extent of the issues on these protos is inexcusable but changing manufacturers isn't really an option currently. The next cheapest PCB fab would be 64% more expensive than JLC, bringing the cost higher than I can afford and higher than I want to charge anyone.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 16 June 2018, 01:35:41
The invoices that were notably overdue and repeatedly ignored have been cancelled and the recipients blacklisted. Currently there is one order from earlier this week that I'm waiting for, but they're within the time limit. Currently, this is what our numbers look like
(https://i.imgur.com/KUHelQj.png) (https://i.imgur.com/KUHelQj.png)
Starting tomorrow I'll be beginning submitting orders to relevant vendors and fabs, though it is a weekend so there won't be immediate responses.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: Blar on Mon, 18 June 2018, 11:41:15
The invoices that were notably overdue and repeatedly ignored have been cancelled and the recipients blacklisted.



nice :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: Evolken on Mon, 18 June 2018, 14:20:14
Do you think the group buy is still on schedule to ship out by the end of June?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 18 June 2018, 14:24:17
Do you think the group buy is still on schedule to ship out by the end of June?

It's more likely to be closer to the "mid July" part of the date range I initially gave. I've no doubt plates will be a quick turnover, but getting the cut parts from JOlimon will take some time as well as PCB production, and I've run into a potential delay with GMK since emailing them about the stabs returned an automatic reply that my contact won't be back in the office until July 5th. Hopefully this might be a mistake, but if not it could certainly be a hindrance.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: MatchstickMan on Mon, 18 June 2018, 14:37:56
I was just seeing on the HS60 GB that the GMK stabs were causing delays. Don't have any recommendations, but more as an FYI.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: Evolken on Mon, 18 June 2018, 20:44:33
Do you think the group buy is still on schedule to ship out by the end of June?

It's more likely to be closer to the "mid July" part of the date range I initially gave. I've no doubt plates will be a quick turnover, but getting the cut parts from JOlimon will take some time as well as PCB production, and I've run into a potential delay with GMK since emailing them about the stabs returned an automatic reply that my contact won't be back in the office until July 5th. Hopefully this might be a mistake, but if not it could certainly be a hindrance.

Thanks for the quick response.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 20 June 2018, 16:09:54
Orders for the acrylic middles and hipros has been placed and paid for with materials for them currently on order.

Requested an invoice for stabs but nothing back yet due to the situation mentioned previously.

Plates are not ordered yet as we're waiting on one last revision to the design to clean up some spots on the bottom row where cutouts are making spots that are too thin for the FR4
(https://i.imgur.com/7gwkm9g.png) (https://i.imgur.com/7gwkm9g.png)
The tiny bits we're removing to clean it up

I'm currently talking with my PCB designer to work out the last details for shipping cost and numbers ordered. I'm also adding some samples to the order for the other layouts the designer has available so I can evaluate them for future budget-series boards.

Bumpons and stab washers are already on hand.

Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: MatchstickMan on Wed, 20 June 2018, 16:50:01
I love hearing that you're looking at more budget boards. Between the Contra and this, I'll be racking up quite the collection!

I would still very much like to see a split spacebar version of a 96 board or full 104 or TKL for that matter.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Invoices Sent!
Post by: HotRoderX on Wed, 20 June 2018, 18:36:15
would love to see a budget TKL and a semi budget carbon fiber TKL would be amazing. I know there only so much cost savings with carbon fiber but would be nice.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: azachhh on Thu, 28 June 2018, 19:40:57
Whatís the latest?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 29 June 2018, 18:17:57
Plates and PCBs are both waiting for final confirmations on details before payment goes through. JOlimon said he should be going to pick up the acrylic next week, which he has to borrow a truck in order to do so since the budget96 order required 8640in≥8640in≥ of acrylic. Keep an eye out for him to post gnarly pics of that ordeal on reddit.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: _joe_king on Sun, 08 July 2018, 11:50:00
That is a lot of acrylic!! How is everything else looking? Very excited for this one :)
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 08 July 2018, 12:47:35
We're unfortunately still waiting on GMK's invoice manager to be from leave before we can order stabs. This might be affecting other GBs as well if they're waiting for invoices to submit their payments as well.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: MatchstickMan on Mon, 09 July 2018, 09:40:34
We're unfortunately still waiting on GMK's invoice manager to be from leave before we can order stabs. This might be affecting other GBs as well if they're waiting for invoices to submit their payments as well.

Ah good, the ol' single-point-of-failure meme of Supply Chain Management...
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: johntron25 on Tue, 10 July 2018, 17:30:32
Are there any updates (pictures) for the acrylic plates?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 10 July 2018, 23:46:31
Are there any updates (pictures) for the acrylic plates?

I'll have to check with JOlimon to see if he's got any pics yet.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: Gettys on Mon, 16 July 2018, 21:48:51
Any updates lately on how things are going?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 17 July 2018, 18:10:58
Any updates lately on how things are going?

Nothing really notable going on at the moment, things are sitting in production and I'm waiting for components to start being shipped to me.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: Gettys on Tue, 17 July 2018, 18:29:57
Any updates lately on how things are going?

Nothing really notable going on at the moment, things are sitting in production and I'm waiting for components to start being shipped to me.

Cool, just keeping up with it.  Almost forgot I was in the GB and hadn't been on the up and up.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: azachhh on Thu, 26 July 2018, 07:40:18
So anxious for these to start shipping!!
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: RobotRogue on Wed, 01 August 2018, 10:58:03
If you end up with a spare PCB I'd love to buy one. (Just the PCB, that is)
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 01 August 2018, 13:48:51
If you end up with a spare PCB I'd love to buy one. (Just the PCB, that is)

Barring any issues, like the plane they're gonna be on crashing, there should be plenty of extras available.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: HotRoderX on Wed, 01 August 2018, 15:49:59
Donut do you have any updated ETA's on when things are expected? I am kinda excited to know there being shipped via air and not sea. I am guessing thought for something so lightweight air is most likely the cheaper option.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: RobotRogue on Wed, 01 August 2018, 16:53:18
If you end up with a spare PCB I'd love to buy one. (Just the PCB, that is)

Barring any issues, like the plane they're gonna be on crashing, there should be plenty of extras available.
Well that just made my day.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 01 August 2018, 19:59:52
Donut do you have any updated ETA's on when things are expected? I am kinda excited to know there being shipped via air and not sea. I am guessing thought for something so lightweight air is most likely the cheaper option.

No solid ETA yet, JOlimon is still working his way through tons of acrylic cutting and the PCBs should be going through assembly right now. Stabs did come in this week after being stuck in customs for a couple days, so now I've got to go through and add all the washers to them.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: johntron25 on Sat, 04 August 2018, 17:22:41
Are there any pics of the acrylic? Im not really asking for glamour shots just any pic would do. I'm just trying to plan which keycaps to use.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 07 August 2018, 15:52:33
(https://i.imgur.com/8n3B2Np.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/8n3B2Np.jpg)
Actually a panorama to capture JOlimon's entire shelf of acrylic for this GB

(https://i.imgur.com/l4fOzoT.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/l4fOzoT.jpg)
Pic of the acrylic on test plate cuts.

JOlimon said he's looking to have these shipped out later this week hopefully after working his way through countersinking the top layers.

In other news, plates are still working their way through production. Sheer quantity it making the inspection stages take longer than the initial quote.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: HotRoderX on Tue, 07 August 2018, 16:30:01
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/8n3B2Np.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/8n3B2Np.jpg)

Actually a panorama to capture JOlimon's entire shelf of acrylic for this GB

(https://i.imgur.com/l4fOzoT.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/l4fOzoT.jpg)
Pic of the acrylic on test plate cuts.

JOlimon said he's looking to have these shipped out later this week hopefully after working his way through countersinking the top layers.

In other news, plates are still working their way through production. Sheer quantity it making the inspection stages take longer than the initial quote.

That poor shelf RIP.. and thats a good issue to have this group buy was amazing. I am hoping we might see other sizes in the future. Like 75%. Maybe TKL etc etc. There does seem to be a big market for it maybe.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: _joe_king on Tue, 07 August 2018, 18:13:41
Do you see there being any spare hipro layers? I just checked over my info and dont think I freaking bought one :( :( :(
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 08 August 2018, 02:09:45
Do you see there being any spare hipro layers? I just checked over my info and dont think I freaking bought one :( :( :(

Unfortunately not. Both of the acrylic pieces I was bad at math and almost ended up going negative on pricing them, so I didn't even have enough to order single extras.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: Blar on Thu, 09 August 2018, 09:32:28
Looking forward to shipment.

whenever that is  :D
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: johntron25 on Fri, 10 August 2018, 13:59:50
looks really nice with granites
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: rmiles on Fri, 17 August 2018, 15:38:58
Any update? Looking forward to this and glad to see progress.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 17 August 2018, 20:11:38
Nothing in particular to update yet. Plates are in shipment and should be passing through US customs soon, hopefully without a delay like my other recent shipments. PCBs are still in production/assembly and may soon be shipping out.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 25 August 2018, 15:32:12
Small update, plates and acrylic pieces are here and I'll be going over them the next few days to make sure everything's all howdy-doody. Additionally, I've got an update on the PCBs

(https://i.imgur.com/jXabbb0.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/jXabbb0.jpg)

The final version of the PCBs has come in from fab and will be moving shortly to SMD assembly. I'm really hoping to see these moving along before too long.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: _joe_king on Tue, 28 August 2018, 11:49:32
that purple looks great!
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Tue, 28 August 2018, 14:29:03
that purple looks great!

It really does! I'm stoked for this to start shipping!
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: ZROGST on Tue, 28 August 2018, 18:57:45
The updates have been great.  I still haven't decided on switches and caps for this build. What's everyone else planning? I like that click life!
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: Evolken on Tue, 28 August 2018, 19:22:39
The updates have been great.  I still haven't decided on switches and caps for this build. What's everyone else planning? I like that click life!

I decided on the 70g Aliaz switches and EnjoyPBT Russian/Orange key set. I built a Contra with the Aliaz switches and love the muted sound of them.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: MatchstickMan on Tue, 28 August 2018, 21:50:50
The updates have been great.  I still haven't decided on switches and caps for this build. What's everyone else planning? I like that click life!

This is going to be my work keyboard, so I decided to go with heavy Zilents. As for caps, I dunno...maybe this will hold my GMK Laser?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Tue, 28 August 2018, 23:17:29
The updates have been great.  I still haven't decided on switches and caps for this build. What's everyone else planning? I like that click life!

Not quite sure yet. But I'm probably going to do lubed gat blacks (again) and might put GMK Plum or Hyperfuse Origins on it. Either way, white plates and purple leds are a given.

What're your ideas?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: lollipoplouie on Wed, 29 August 2018, 00:25:41
The updates have been great.  I still haven't decided on switches and caps for this build. What's everyone else planning? I like that click life!
I am in the click club as well, have a bag full of box navies and Maxkeys dolch on standby!
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 29 August 2018, 07:43:55
The updates have been great.  I still haven't decided on switches and caps for this build. What's everyone else planning? I like that click life!

Glad that I'm keeping updates to satisfaction. Dealing with delays and hits to the timeline isn't easy but I'm trying to do what I can to keep everyone up to date.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: _joe_king on Wed, 29 August 2018, 08:14:22
The updates have been great.  I still haven't decided on switches and caps for this build. What's everyone else planning? I like that click life!

I went with some box royal's that I have lubed and slightly modified with partial stickers that eliminated the already very minimal play. Very excited to get this build complete and will top it off with GMK Yuri.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: ZROGST on Wed, 29 August 2018, 11:51:48
Not quite sure yet. But I'm probably going to do lubed gat blacks (again) and might put GMK Plum or Hyperfuse Origins on it. Either way, white plates and purple leds are a given.

What're your ideas?

I'm using Box Navies in my TADA68 and Box Jades in my Planck. Outemu clicks in MacroPad and being used in my Gherkin build.  I've used Cherry Greens in the passed. I'm totally open to more click suggestions for the Budget96 build if anyone has any...

I don't have anything in particular in mind for caps, but I was thinking a more affordable all-over dye sub PBT set... they seem to show up on MassDrop fairly frequently and don't have super long delivery times.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: Blar on Thu, 30 August 2018, 10:58:56

I'm using Box Navies in my TADA68 and Box Jades in my Planck. Outemu clicks in MacroPad and being used in my Gherkin build.  I've used Cherry Greens in the passed. I'm totally open to more click suggestions for the Budget96 build if anyone has any...


Can you or anyone reading this please tell me how Box Navys compare to Cherry MX Greens.  I'm very interested in getting these for this board.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: portbaron on Thu, 30 August 2018, 12:36:08

I'm using Box Navies in my TADA68 and Box Jades in my Planck. Outemu clicks in MacroPad and being used in my Gherkin build.  I've used Cherry Greens in the passed. I'm totally open to more click suggestions for the Budget96 build if anyone has any...


Can you or anyone reading this please tell me how Box Navys compare to Cherry MX Greens.  I'm very interested in getting these for this board.
Navys feel a little heavier, a little more tactile, and sound infinitely better. Crisper, no plastic rattle like MX blues/greens.

It's too bad you won't really see the purple pcb with keycaps on, it looks nice.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: ZROGST on Thu, 30 August 2018, 13:52:11
Can you or anyone reading this please tell me how Box Navys compare to Cherry MX Greens.  I'm very interested in getting these for this board.

Both the Box Navies and Jades are superior in every way to the MX Greens. The click is crisper and thicker.  I cannot recommend them enough.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: azachhh on Fri, 31 August 2018, 12:54:33
The updates have been great.  I still haven't decided on switches and caps for this build. What's everyone else planning? I like that click life!

I got 2 boards....gonna do Kailh Pro Purple on one, then some Box Whites on the other. Not sure about caps...I have an order out for those Starry Night ones from zFrontier....if they ever ship lol
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: att1cus on Wed, 05 September 2018, 15:24:20
any updates?  Any sort of ETA?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Payment Submissions
Post by: Overchecken8 on Thu, 06 September 2018, 20:02:59
any updates?  Any sort of ETA?
Curious about what the ETA might be as well.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 06 September 2018, 21:07:35
Not much to update on at the moment, PCBs are still in assembly. One thing to consider is that when I got my initial estimate for assembly it was based on an order of 100 PCBs whereas the order for this buy ended up quite exceeding that at 250, so that may be part of the delay. I'll update when I hear back after fabrication.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: Sifo on Thu, 06 September 2018, 21:11:28
cool beans
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: johntron25 on Fri, 07 September 2018, 13:55:31
would you say that you'll get the PCB this month? or next?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: 8six753o9 on Thu, 13 September 2018, 21:42:55
So just curious on the status of this.  Do you have any pictures of the plate colors that isn't green or black?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 20 September 2018, 14:54:07
So just curious on the status of this.  Do you have any pictures of the plate colors that isn't green or black?


(https://i.imgur.com/eh8Zlss.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/eh8Zlss.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/dPMXNny.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/dPMXNny.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/CNpEmAj.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/CNpEmAj.jpg)

Grabbed a couple pics last weekend and then lost track of stuff with it being a bit stormy. Still in the plastic to try and keep them clean until time to ship them. Red and blue came out as expected, yellow leans a bit more towards gold than a saturated yellow, but it should still look good.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: 8six753o9 on Thu, 20 September 2018, 17:21:08
Looks nice!  Thanks for the update.


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Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: regionfree on Thu, 20 September 2018, 21:05:26
those colors look great!
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: sickbabies on Sat, 22 September 2018, 22:08:40
Nice! Really happy that I'm one of the people that went for blue plates
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: johntron25 on Sun, 23 September 2018, 15:59:10
What about the white plates? Are those still being cut?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: 112227 on Thu, 04 October 2018, 19:28:25
entering month 5 of delay. What is the over/under for delivery before 2019? I'm guessing it's not going to happen.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 04 October 2018, 20:53:17
entering month 5 of delay. What is the over/under for delivery before 2019? I'm guessing it's not going to happen.

We're currently only 4mo past the invoicing date, I'm not sure what "over/under" is meant to mean, but as it sits right now there's no reason for them not to be in shipping to me aside from the current holiday. PCBs are the only thing that's being waited on at the moment and once those are in hand shipping can happen right after.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: HotRoderX on Fri, 05 October 2018, 01:54:18
entering month 5 of delay. What is the over/under for delivery before 2019? I'm guessing it's not going to happen.

We're currently only 4mo past the invoicing date, I'm not sure what "over/under" is meant to mean, but as it sits right now there's no reason for them not to be in shipping to me aside from the current holiday. PCBs are the only thing that's being waited on at the moment and once those are in hand shipping can happen right after.

Wow has it really been 4 months?? This seems like it happened just the other day! Time has certainly flown. I am sure the holiday is holding things up so no worries. Plus the order was larger that held things up also. I am pretty excited and completely forgot a ordered this! I am really glad you reminded me. I think got a black one which is perfect. Since I got a set of Laser keycap's coming in. I out fit the board with some pink/purple LED's and now Laser will have a nice Unique one of a kind home!
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: 112227 on Fri, 05 October 2018, 02:03:42
entering month 5 of delay. What is the over/under for delivery before 2019? I'm guessing it's not going to happen.

We're currently only 4mo past the invoicing date, I'm not sure what "over/under" is meant to mean, but as it sits right now there's no reason for them not to be in shipping to me aside from the current holiday. PCBs are the only thing that's being waited on at the moment and once those are in hand shipping can happen right after.




Correct. It's been 4 months, hence "entering" the 5th month. The over/under is a common betting term. If I'm being cynical and don't believe the budget96 would be delivered by years end, I would take the "over" odds to the bet.

:)
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: severin on Fri, 05 October 2018, 08:58:27
Correct. It's been 4 months, hence "entering" the 5th month. The over/under is a common betting term. If I'm being cynical and don't believe the budget96 would be delivered by years end, I would take the "over" odds to the bet.

:)

why would you equate 5 months past invoicing to 5 months of delay?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: HotRoderX on Fri, 05 October 2018, 12:28:10
Correct. It's been 4 months, hence "entering" the 5th month. The over/under is a common betting term. If I'm being cynical and don't believe the budget96 would be delivered by years end, I would take the "over" odds to the bet.

:)

why would you equate 5 months past invoicing to 5 months of delay?

Honestly I don't think there native English speaker. They could be using a translator. I just don't understand why they think we won't see these before the end of the year. I mean that seems a bit crazy. There still 3 month's left in my calendar year.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: 112227 on Sat, 06 October 2018, 00:42:03
If you look at the first post...the original estimated delivery was June.  June to July, July to August, August to September, September to October. That would be four months past estimated delivery. Now, since we are in October and will be waiting into November, that would mean we are entering the 5th month of delay.

Is it really that hard to understand?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: HotRoderX on Sat, 06 October 2018, 01:50:57
If you look at the first post...the original estimated delivery was June.  June to July, July to August, August to September, September to October. That would be four months past estimated delivery. Now, since we are in October and will be waiting into November, that would mean we are entering the 5th month of delay.

Is it really that hard to understand?

yea its pretty hard to understand why you think a group buy, that stated payment wasn't submitted until 6/24/2018. Would be finished and shipping in the month of June. There was also the fact Donutcat keep telling us, if we had a larger order of PCB's it would increase the manufacturing time significantly. We all knew going in this wouldn't be done in June. Shoot most of us expected it likely wouldn't be done in September. I think end of October start of November. Is a reasonable expectation. Though if it takes longer it takes longer. Donuts been very very transparent about things. Has updated the thread anytime we asked him to.  I don't see the big deal perhaps group buys aren't your thing if your going to hang on Estimated dates. Keep in mind Group buys aren't Amazon.com.

I do think group buy runner should be held accountable for what happens, its part of the risk of taking on a group buy. In this case there nothing to be upset over donuts doing a fantastic job. Has done a fantastic job in the past and has gone above and beyond from what I have seen and read in previous group buys so I am personally not remotely worried.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 06 October 2018, 12:23:25
I appreciate the support, though I would like to keep any arguing in here to a minimum to keep the thread in order. I do acknowledge that we are pretty far past my initial estimate for a delivery date. This being my first GB of this sort, using multiple components from multiple sources vs just keysets or cables from a single manufacturer, my estimate for delivery was at the very least naively optimistic, particularly so when even the order from GMK was delayed beyond that estimate. This experience will no doubt help me better understand the process for future buys, but for the time being I've just been trying to keep everyone updated as we move along and work through the delays to get everything out when I can, which I hope is acceptable for those involved.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: _joe_king on Sat, 06 October 2018, 16:43:43
Thanks donutcat :) i wouldnít hesitate to join another of your buys. Still VERY excited for this one :)
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: 112227 on Sat, 06 October 2018, 17:15:01
If you look at the first post...the original estimated delivery was June.  June to July, July to August, August to September, September to October. That would be four months past estimated delivery. Now, since we are in October and will be waiting into November, that would mean we are entering the 5th month of delay.

Is it really that hard to understand?

yea its pretty hard to understand why you think a group buy, that stated payment wasn't submitted until 6/24/2018. Would be finished and shipping in the month of June. There was also the fact Donutcat keep telling us, if we had a larger order of PCB's it would increase the manufacturing time significantly. We all knew going in this wouldn't be done in June. Shoot most of us expected it likely wouldn't be done in September. I think end of October start of November. Is a reasonable expectation. Though if it takes longer it takes longer. Donuts been very very transparent about things. Has updated the thread anytime we asked him to.  I don't see the big deal perhaps group buys aren't your thing if your going to hang on Estimated dates. Keep in mind Group buys aren't Amazon.com.

I do think group buy runner should be held accountable for what happens, its part of the risk of taking on a group buy. In this case there nothing to be upset over donuts doing a fantastic job. Has done a fantastic job in the past and has gone above and beyond from what I have seen and read in previous group buys so I am personally not remotely worried.


1. I didn't think the group buy would be finished and shipping in the month of June. I knew it was not going to be complete in June. But I'm using the dates and data that are provided. Why should I assume any different?

2.  I'm not "hanging on estimated dates." I made one statement of fact. I did not even mention any personal feelings or openings.

I should feel free to voice my opinion and feelings on a groupbuy I'm participating in. Why would you and the other individuals feel it necessary to attempt to shame me for feeling a certain way? I did not say anything about the way donutcat is handling the group buy, did I?

Please, tell me when it's appropriate to voice my frustration?

This is ridiculous.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Sat, 06 October 2018, 23:43:57
I appreciate the support, though I would like to keep any arguing in here to a minimum to keep the thread in order. I do acknowledge that we are pretty far past my initial estimate for a delivery date. This being my first GB of this sort, using multiple components from multiple sources vs just keysets or cables from a single manufacturer, my estimate for delivery was at the very least naively optimistic, particularly so when even the order from GMK was delayed beyond that estimate. This experience will no doubt help me better understand the process for future buys, but for the time being I've just been trying to keep everyone updated as we move along and work through the delays to get everything out when I can, which I hope is acceptable for those involved.

Thanks donut. Your updates have been fantastic. I always expect delays in gb, but your updates have squashed any doubt or worry that I might have had. Looking forward to building this guy.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 19 October 2018, 12:43:35
Small update, the boards are on their way to me but slightly delayed in a warehouse. I'm needing to get ahold of them to clear something up about transporting them, didn't get much from the initial email except something about magnets, so I'm assuming it's something to do with them being a large batch of boards with controllers and the notation on them. Hopefully this can be resolved pretty quickly and they can be back on their way to me. If all goes well I'll be able to start invoicing for shipping before Halloween.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: Blar on Tue, 23 October 2018, 07:44:40
Great to hear they are soon on their way :)
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: jamesaaronbooks on Fri, 26 October 2018, 13:00:36
Thanks for the update!
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: johntron25 on Tue, 30 October 2018, 11:43:08
If all goes well I'll be able to start invoicing for shipping before Halloween.


More delays then?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 30 October 2018, 14:54:58
More delays then?

Yeah, there was another small issue with the warehouse, the shipping weight was apparently more than their automated system would let me pay for so I needed to contact them to get it manually priced and paid for. I did that Sunday night and the payment went through without issue, so it's another waiting stage for the time being. In the meantime I've been working on getting the shipping materials lined up so they'll be here and ready the moment the PCBs get to me.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: johntron25 on Tue, 30 October 2018, 20:04:44
More delays then?

Yeah, there was another small issue with the warehouse, the shipping weight was apparently more than their automated system would let me pay for so I needed to contact them to get it manually priced and paid for. I did that Sunday night and the payment went through without issue, so it's another waiting stage for the time being. In the meantime I've been working on getting the shipping materials lined up so they'll be here and ready the moment the PCBs get to me.

I see, no worries. Happy Halloween!
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: shyBravado on Wed, 31 October 2018, 11:18:48
I'm in for any potential extras. <3
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting on PCBs
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Wed, 31 October 2018, 11:32:38
I thought this was finished already. Iíd be down for extras if they become available.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs finally in transit
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 05 November 2018, 21:05:36
So, after several days of contacting different people and all of them being wonderful for dealing with my english, I finally have tracking for the PCBs headed to me. No estimate on when they'll get to me exactly, but it's better that way imo since it won't be an accidental underestimate. Next update should be unpacking the PCBs and starting some order packing.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs finally in transit
Post by: 8six753o9 on Mon, 05 November 2018, 21:28:56
So, after several days of contacting different people and all of them being wonderful for dealing with my english, I finally have tracking for the PCBs headed to me. No estimate on when they'll get to me exactly, but it's better that way imo since it won't be an accidental underestimate. Next update should be unpacking the PCBs and starting some order packing.

Thanks for the update.  Are the PCBs in the States already or do they still need to travel here and go through customs?  I'm just worried as the Paypal protection ends this month and I know it takes forever for things to get into the States.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs finally in transit
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Mon, 05 November 2018, 21:29:19
(http://rs795.pbsrc.com/albums/yy239/jadis11/Gifs/OMGYAY.gif~c200)

I guess I need to start deciding on which switches I'm gonna use.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs finally in transit
Post by: Blar on Wed, 07 November 2018, 12:36:09

I guess I need to start deciding on which switches I'm gonna use.

I recently went to a keyboard meetup, hands down im going with kailh box jade  :)
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs finally in transit
Post by: _joe_king on Wed, 07 November 2018, 12:37:58
Oooooooh so excited!
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs finally in transit
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Wed, 07 November 2018, 12:48:54

I guess I need to start deciding on which switches I'm gonna use.

I recently went to a keyboard meetup, hands down im going with kailh box jade  :)

I have some box jades, but I was thinking of using them on a different board...
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs finally in transit
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 13 November 2018, 15:19:56
(https://i.imgur.com/6LN2iLm.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/6LN2iLm.jpg)

PCBs are here, no pics of the black yet cause I haven't gotten that far into the boxes. I'm currently going through them and testing for functionality while waiting for boxes to arrive, then I can begin packing the first of the orders and invoicing for shipping. I'll probably be prioritizing getting the remaining Phantom orders out first so I'm not dealing with as many different things at the same time and therefore less chance of shipping hiccups. 
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: _joe_king on Tue, 13 November 2018, 15:23:28
Whoo! Thanks for the update!

any chance of leftover hipro layers :) :) :)
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: oumakavoula on Tue, 13 November 2018, 15:46:05
that's a great looking pcb  :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Tue, 13 November 2018, 15:51:30
**** that looks good!

I mean... Yay ※\(^o^)/※
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: regionfree on Tue, 13 November 2018, 22:33:22
oh man she's gorgeous
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs finally in transit
Post by: HotRoderX on Wed, 14 November 2018, 00:03:52
(https://i.imgur.com/6LN2iLm.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/6LN2iLm.jpg)

PCBs are here, no pics of the black yet cause I haven't gotten that far into the boxes. I'm currently going through them and testing for functionality while waiting for boxes to arrive, then I can begin packing the first of the orders and invoicing for shipping. I'll probably be prioritizing getting the remaining Phantom orders out first so I'm not dealing with as many different things at the same time and therefore less chance of shipping hiccups.

Honestly I am totally ok with you taking your time. I don't speak for everyone but even if this took till January I be ok with that. Reason I say that is shipping during the Christmas holiday is a PITA at best.. I look forward to this thought. I am excited those PCB's look AMAZING!
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: unausgeschlafen on Wed, 14 November 2018, 00:49:38
So pumped!
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs finally in transit
Post by: johntron25 on Wed, 14 November 2018, 12:38:59
(https://i.imgur.com/6LN2iLm.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/6LN2iLm.jpg)

PCBs are here, no pics of the black yet cause I haven't gotten that far into the boxes. I'm currently going through them and testing for functionality while waiting for boxes to arrive, then I can begin packing the first of the orders and invoicing for shipping. I'll probably be prioritizing getting the remaining Phantom orders out first so I'm not dealing with as many different things at the same time and therefore less chance of shipping hiccups.

Honestly I am totally ok with you taking your time. I don't speak for everyone but even if this took till January I be ok with that. Reason I say that is shipping during the Christmas holiday is a PITA at best.. I look forward to this thought. I am excited those PCB's look AMAZING!


Yea, thank god you don't speak for all of us.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs finally in transit
Post by: HotRoderX on Wed, 14 November 2018, 12:43:00
(https://i.imgur.com/6LN2iLm.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/6LN2iLm.jpg)

PCBs are here, no pics of the black yet cause I haven't gotten that far into the boxes. I'm currently going through them and testing for functionality while waiting for boxes to arrive, then I can begin packing the first of the orders and invoicing for shipping. I'll probably be prioritizing getting the remaining Phantom orders out first so I'm not dealing with as many different things at the same time and therefore less chance of shipping hiccups.

Honestly I am totally ok with you taking your time. I don't speak for everyone but even if this took till January I be ok with that. Reason I say that is shipping during the Christmas holiday is a PITA at best.. I look forward to this thought. I am excited those PCB's look AMAZING!


Yea, thank god you don't speak for all of us.

Cause waiting a little longer is the end of the world, which most likely will happen anyway with holiday shipping  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 17 November 2018, 03:38:11
Well, buckle up kiddos, cause here's the current dealio: I was gonna wait to get further into the process of solving this issue before I even let people know, but I figure I might as well share the current subject of my ire for the sake of clarity and hopefully some understanding. I've got the PCBs on hand and I've been working on going through them between getting Phantom orders shipped, sorting and assembling the stabs for the kits, and dealing with various other things that are all just kicking me in the balls at the same time. As it currently sits, I've made my way through approximately 103 of the PCBs, mostly purple, and this following album is the pictures I've taken of approximately 63 of those PCBs I've looked through:
https://imgur.com/a/XLfP8Ul

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As you can imagine, I'm absolutely ****ing pissed at what I've seen so far, especially the sheer incidence rate of the issues found. When I first dug into the boxes I thought that the packaging was actually pretty good, bundles of 10 PCBs in pairs with plenty of bubble wrap. What I didn't know right then was how putting them in pairs instead of separately in the wrap leads to the throughhole pins on the USB Mini connector to be able to scrape the everloving **** out of the adjacent board, leading to the main issues, though some of the scratches and residue looks like it's an artifact of the manufacturing of the PCB and should have been found before they even left the PCB fab. If whoever packed the boards hadn't been so intent on saving $.20 of bubblewrap per bundle I'm fairly confident that a fair bit of the issues shown in that album would not have been present and many of the boards pictured there would have needed minor cleaning at the most; the fact that all but a couple of the boards have no visual flaws on the back of the PCB reinforce this thought.

Like I mentioned, I'm pretty ****ing upset that this happened, so much that I've pretty much been just in a state between angry and disgust at the problem since I found out about it and been in a **** mood this whole week as a result. I'm planning to look through more of the bundles of PCBs over the weekend between more Phantom orders and working on stabs and see if the trend continues, which at this point it seems quite likely it will. The plan after that is to send a carefully thought out email to the seller explaining the situation in detail, including that album and further pictures that I take, and as tactfully as possible tell them that this is absolutely unacceptable and they need to do something about it. I'm not confident that much might be done, but I am pretty confident in the power of a very large PayPal dispute pointed their direction as a good motivator, if the need arises.

Also due to this, I'm planning on taking a close look at all of the plates over the next week to make sure that they're going to be fine. I've left most of them in their original packaging(keep the dust and cats off of them) after inspecting a small number of each color, but this whole deal has left me nervous about potential issues with any of the components involved and I want to catch anything as soon as possible at this point.

If would oblige me, feedback concerning this situation would be much appreciated since right now I'm still just overwhelmed with being upset about this and could really use some outside thoughts on this. Someone in the discord thought that maybe I was overreacting to some of the issues, particularly concerning the price point I was able to get the PCBs for, and who knows maybe I am. I was pretty much expecting a perfect product to show up and maybe that was too much of me to expect. So far all of the PCBs that I've plugged in to test have taken the firmware update, had their LEDs working, and had random selections of keypresses work just fine as well, aside from one board with a crushed USB connector that I didn't bother to mess with yet, and only one or two have had anything wrong with the back side of the board, all the visual issues have been on the front of the board only for the very vast majority I've seen. 

Please bear with me while I deal with this the best I can, I'm doing my best to make sure everyone receives the product that they deserve and I'm hoping everyone can understand that.

Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: regionfree on Sat, 17 November 2018, 04:15:50
I'm definitely not speaking for everyone who participated.

For me though, as long as the PCB doesn't look like it was half-eaten by a bear and IT'S WORKING, and ports align with the plate and usb cutout, I would be fine with it (the PCB). It's all light superficial issues, based on the pictures.

The case, though, is where I'd be more nit picky, since it affects aesthetics directly.

I've no problem with the wait, and also appreciate going through each of them to check the issues.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: oumakavoula on Sat, 17 November 2018, 04:21:51
same as above
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: Evolken on Sat, 17 November 2018, 08:34:05
For me though, as long as the PCB doesn't look like it was half-eaten by a bear and IT'S WORKING, and ports align with the plate and usb cutout, I would be fine with it (the PCB). It's all light superficial issues, based on the pictures.

The case, though, is where I'd be more nit picky, since it affects aesthetics directly.

I agree. I would appreciate you contacting the vendor and checking your options but I would not be upset about small scratches that aren't visible in the final build. I understand some are worse than others, but most of the issues looked small. The top and bottom plates are more important for surface scratching.

Thanks for your hard work and attention to detail.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: mxgian99 on Sat, 17 November 2018, 09:07:09
just speaking for myself, i would still buy these if you were fairly certain that they still worked.  i was expecting much worse pictures after reading the text first.   

i agree that it's not ideal and super dumb to try and save pennies and risk all these scratches.  from a GB participant perspective, my worry would be if these boards are long term reliable but given the light damage i would think yes and still would take it.  just my two cents.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 17 November 2018, 12:36:05
As long as it works I donít mind the scratches.  Iíll never see the thing after assembly. 
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: 8six753o9 on Sat, 17 November 2018, 12:52:22
I donít mind the scratches as long as they pcb works.


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Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: MatchstickMan on Sat, 17 November 2018, 15:43:18
I'm in the same boat as above. The blemishes are disappointing, certainly, but as long as it doesn't affect the function of the board, I can live with it. Especially so that these are mostly on the back of the board.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Sat, 17 November 2018, 17:32:18
I'm a little disappointed to see these issues, especially so many pcb's (possibly *all* of them?)

I'm totally okay with living with it as long as you are confident that they work.

And hey, maybe you can get some of the money back, which would just add to the "budget" aspect of this gb ;)

Either way, thank you so much for you transparency and frequent updates!
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: shyBravado on Sat, 17 November 2018, 20:31:36
Honestly... I would be totally okay with blemishes as long as everything works. Will there be B-stock extras, by chance?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: HotRoderX on Sun, 18 November 2018, 00:21:56
I been thinking about this all day and my biggest concern is the damage isn't just cosmetic. The pictures some of them look pretty badly damaged and you even mentioned possible issues due to some of the scratches. Thais my big thing, if the board can be proven to just have cosmetic damage then no big deal. The damage is cosmetic only contact the manufacture and try to get a discount on the board's perhaps to pay for shipping or what have ya. The boards functionality is questionable that is another story obviously. Thanks for being so transparent about this entire thing. I know its gotta be frustrating thought I guess we all should have seen this coming as cheap as the manufacture was willing to produce them. At the end of the day I don't really expect a budget product to be cosmetically pretty I just expect it to work.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: notFREEfood on Sun, 18 November 2018, 01:23:57
Ouch.

On one hand I prefer things look good even if they can't be seen, but if those scratches are truly cosmetic I don't think the added delay would be worth it.

Cases and plates are visible, so those are going to be what matters.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: sacklunch on Sun, 18 November 2018, 11:17:51
I could care less about scratches. As long as they work normally I will gladly accept my order.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 18 November 2018, 11:36:16
I figured that most GB runners donít test every individual switch socket on every PCB.  If that is the case and these scratches are going to cause you to spend a ton of time testing, that seems unfair to you.  If we get boards that we need to fix, it seems unfair to us. Seems like the only way for everyone to win would be replacement boards.  But we could just try our luck and send them out at a discount.  Then we could return boards we find to have issues.  Just rambling now. 
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: johntron25 on Sun, 18 November 2018, 13:38:59
As long as they work 100%, I don't mind those blemishes.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: 112227 on Tue, 20 November 2018, 04:42:38
I probably wouldn't want to take a chance on a scratched up PCB. Functionality could be hanging on by a thread depending on where the scratches are.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 20 November 2018, 16:17:03
Thanks so far for the civil and positive responses, it's a reminder that the community isn't always a mess like it can appear in some current, unspecified GB threads. I've not heard back from the seller yet and am planning to send another email later today, but I'll address some of the comments so far:

 - On all the PCBs I've inspected so far, they do connect to BMC, the firmware flashes successfully, and random switch tests work fine, so for the most part any of the damage does seem just visual.

 - I am planning more comprehensive testing of boards that do have potentially performance-affecting damage, ie the port scrapes crossing the LED trace for LCtrl. I would prefer to not send out boards with this particular issue at all, but I might not have enough boards that don't have it, so at the very least I will be testing it and making any necessary touchups to it to make sure that LED is still functional, which should just be making sure the copper from the ground plane isn't in contact with the trace and covering the bare copper with something to keep shorting from being an issue.
 
 - In the same way, any other scratches I find that look to be deeper than just the surface of the mask I'll be doing comprehensive testing of any portion of the matrices that they cross to determine if they're an issue. So far I think I've only seen maybe one that even reaches the copper other than the port scrapes.

 - Most of them I will be scrubbing scratches/scrapes/residue spots with ISO to try and get rid of as much as I can of what's just visual, so I'm hoping that most will look better than they do now.

Even if I can't guarantee that the top of the PCB will be spotless, I will be guaranteeing that everyone does end up with boards that are 100% functional, or at the very least compensation for any lack of functionality for which I'm hoping that contacting the seller will provide me with even if they're functional.

I do want to point out that I only realized earlier today while going through some of the boards that none of them appear to actually have numlock or capslock leds soldered onto them, which is more disappointing when I have a conversation with the seller specifically about using white instead of green for this. If that's going to be a problem for you let me know and I'll see what I can do about it, even if it means buying some and doing some SMD soldering that I told myself I'd never do again.

I want to thank you again for keeping the thread civil and positive as it's a lot easier on me to deal with than the negativity that I see pop up way too often on some GBs that have some hiccups. It's been a tough year for me and my projects and I don't know where I'd be right now without the understanding and positivity of those that have been willing to support me through the difficulties.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: sacklunch on Tue, 20 November 2018, 16:30:16
If it helps, I will take a pcb without working LEDs. I always disable them on my keyboards anyways. If you end up needing to send some without LEDs, message me and I'll give you my order info.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: TerryMathews on Fri, 23 November 2018, 12:52:57
FWIW, I'm ok with doing trace repair on my three especially if it means they're B-stock.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: ClicksOnLinks on Fri, 23 November 2018, 16:59:01
I don't mind the blemishes. Some looked worse than others but so long as the PCB actually works, or even mostly works, that's all that matters to me. If I have to jump a few traces that's not a problem for me
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: azachhh on Fri, 23 November 2018, 22:07:51
If someone can provide a decent guide to jumping the traces, I donít mind having to deal with that either. Always up for a new project.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: johntron25 on Mon, 26 November 2018, 15:59:13
Do you know if this issue will be resolved before the year ends? If not,  I need to update my shipping address.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 26 November 2018, 21:59:58
Do you know if this issue will be resolved before the year ends? If not,  I need to update my shipping address.

I would like to say it will be, but I also know that me giving time estimates just hasn't worked out this year. Good news is when you get your shipping invoice you'll be able to change your address right then to what it needs to be for the time.

Edit: I'd also like to point out that as of right now I haven't heard back from the seller yet and I've decided to escalate things with PayPal in hopes of receiving a response.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: Gettys on Fri, 30 November 2018, 16:04:30
The more I look at this the more I want it lol, hope everything gets resolved sooner then later!


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Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: lollipoplouie on Sun, 02 December 2018, 19:29:23
Just saw the news about the blemishes, unfortunate, but super appreciative about being kept in the loop just like everyone else. I too do not care about the blemishes as long as they are functional and don't care about missing capslock and numlock leds either. Just wanted to throw my two cents in, hopefully this doesn't become too much more of an ordeal for you donut, best wishes.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: _joe_king on Mon, 03 December 2018, 08:14:18
Just saw the news about the blemishes, unfortunate, but super appreciative about being kept in the loop just like everyone else. I too do not care about the blemishes as long as they are functional and don't care about missing capslock and numlock leds either. Just wanted to throw my two cents in, hopefully this doesn't become too much more of an ordeal for you donut, best wishes.

1000% this.

Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: johnextremesourcreme on Wed, 05 December 2018, 18:14:53
Just saw the news about the blemishes, unfortunate, but super appreciative about being kept in the loop just like everyone else. I too do not care about the blemishes as long as they are functional and don't care about missing capslock and numlock leds either. Just wanted to throw my two cents in, hopefully this doesn't become too much more of an ordeal for you donut, best wishes.
This, i just need mine to be functional.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: Gettys on Fri, 07 December 2018, 23:59:53
Any news(hopefully good) as of lately? know youíre busy and itís that time of the year but figured Iíd check in to see if there was any new news.


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Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 09 December 2018, 03:22:13
Any news(hopefully good) as of lately? know youíre busy and itís that time of the year but figured Iíd check in to see if there was any new news.


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I've been in touch with PayPal for the dispute process since there's been no communication on the seller's end. Due to the amount and some other details of the original payment it's been a slightly more complicated process than a "normal" dispute, so it's taken a bit longer to get it going. They were supposed to call me back the end of last week to finish starting the dispute but they didn't for some reason, so I'll be getting back ahold of them this coming week to hopefully get it moving. I'm hoping the snowstorm going on here won't interfere with that among other things.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: unausgeschlafen on Sun, 09 December 2018, 05:33:41
Thank you for investing yourself so hard in this. Quite a process this group buy.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: Gettys on Sun, 09 December 2018, 05:34:50
Any news(hopefully good) as of lately? know youíre busy and itís that time of the year but figured Iíd check in to see if there was any new news.


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I've been in touch with PayPal for the dispute process since there's been no communication on the seller's end. Due to the amount and some other details of the original payment it's been a slightly more complicated process than a "normal" dispute, so it's taken a bit longer to get it going. They were supposed to call me back the end of last week to finish starting the dispute but they didn't for some reason, so I'll be getting back ahold of them this coming week to hopefully get it moving. I'm hoping the snowstorm going on here won't interfere with that among other things.

Thanks for the response, still excited for this even with the delays and mishaps.  Hopefully itíll all come together soon.


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Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: 112227 on Fri, 14 December 2018, 03:13:56
any news within the past week?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: HotRoderX on Fri, 14 December 2018, 11:31:55
any news within the past week?

I doubt we will hear anything back before the New Year, I might be wrong thought. I figured with holiday's Donut is either spending time with family/friends or he is busting butt shipping things. I am sure he will update us as soon as he can thought.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: 112227 on Fri, 14 December 2018, 19:28:46
any news within the past week?

I doubt we will hear anything back before the New Year, I might be wrong thought. I figured with holiday's Donut is either spending time with family/friends or he is busting butt shipping things. I am sure he will update us as soon as he can thought.

 :blank:
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 14 December 2018, 23:41:32
Surprise, you will hear back before then. I'm on a trip this weekend but before I left I managed to talk to a very helpful PayPal rep who go the disputes sorted for me and the process is going right now. I'm hoping that it won't take too long to work out, but there is a 15 day minimum for the seller to respond, so I'm expecting it to take at least that long though there's always a chance for it to move through more quickly.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Fri, 14 December 2018, 23:53:01
Thanks for tune update donutcat!

With these delays in going to have to change my shipping address. What's the best way for me to handle that?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: azachhh on Sat, 15 December 2018, 12:34:18
Thanks for tune update donutcat!

With these delays in going to have to change my shipping address. What's the best way for me to handle that?

Same here.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: MatchstickMan on Sat, 15 December 2018, 17:42:20
Thanks for tune update donutcat!

With these delays in going to have to change my shipping address. What's the best way for me to handle that?

+1 on that. I'll be moving at the beginning of next month.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: Evolken on Sun, 16 December 2018, 17:43:04
Looking to sell my spot in the group buy. Decided to go with a different board/layout. Purple PCB, black plates, normal middle (not high profile), and GMK stabs. Confirmed with DonutCat that we can move order/invoice to the new person officially (not double ship items from me to you). Original invoice total: $90.50. PM me with offers.

Edit: Willing to drop to $80

Shipping cost is invoiced at the time of shipping ~$15 for US.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: johnextremesourcreme on Mon, 17 December 2018, 08:55:28
Surprise, you will hear back before then. I'm on a trip this weekend but before I left I managed to talk to a very helpful PayPal rep who go the disputes sorted for me and the process is going right now. I'm hoping that it won't take too long to work out, but there is a 15 day minimum for the seller to respond, so I'm expecting it to take at least that long though there's always a chance for it to move through more quickly.
great news!
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: johntron25 on Wed, 26 December 2018, 12:14:20
Any new updates with Paypal issue? It's been 12 days since the last update.

What is the plan? even if you win the Paypal dispute does that mean we are stuck with the PCBs?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 28 December 2018, 20:14:24
Any new updates with Paypal issue? It's been 12 days since the last update.

What is the plan? even if you win the Paypal dispute does that mean we are stuck with the PCBs?

Having to put a little bit more fight into the dispute. PayPal had actually straight denied it at one point, but after spending yesterday talking to a few more reps it seems that was a mistake on their end. The dispute is back open, I've been asked for some more information that I'm putting together, and we're still currently in the waiting phase. As for "the plan", if the dispute is successful then we're still stuck with the PCBs, which as I mentioned I'll be verifying full functionality, cleaning up, and applying needed fixes, but I'm planning a good partial refund for everyone that got a PCB that I'll most likely apply to the shipping costs for ease of application.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: ryanh on Sat, 29 December 2018, 14:34:07
That's great, thanks for the update.  Hopefully you're not worrying to much about this over the holidays!  Everyone needs a break and I'm sure these PCBs have caused you more than your fair share of stress.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: _joe_king on Sat, 29 December 2018, 19:29:30
That's great, thanks for the update.  Hopefully you're not worrying to much about this over the holidays!  Everyone needs a break and I'm sure these PCBs have caused you more than your fair share of stress.

+1. Shtuff happens and it will all work out in the end.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Thu, 03 January 2019, 19:52:42
I have an order I'd be willing to sell.

Green plate
Purple PCB

Order total: 98 USD.

PM with offers
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - PCBs Here!
Post by: Overchecken8 on Sun, 06 January 2019, 14:42:55
Looking to sell my spot.

1  x $93.00
1 Purple PCB, White Plates, 1 Case Kit, 1 GMK Stab Set
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: azachhh on Tue, 08 January 2019, 19:58:28
Looking to sell my order for $175. PM offers.
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Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: 112227 on Wed, 09 January 2019, 17:15:05
anyone actually getting interest on selling your spots?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: Gettys on Sun, 13 January 2019, 17:11:54
Have we heard anything from PayPal? Just curious since itís been a minute from the last update.


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Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: johntron25 on Mon, 14 January 2019, 19:32:16
It's been awhile since the most recent update. Will we receive our keyboards before the start of Game of Thrones new  season?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 15 January 2019, 16:55:46
Sorry for no updates, nothing in the situation has changed currently. PayPal is still waiting out the "response period" for the seller before they're willing to move on the dispute.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: Gettys on Tue, 15 January 2019, 16:57:31
Sorry for no updates, nothing in the situation has changed currently. PayPal is still waiting out the "response period" for the seller before they're willing to move on the dispute.
Have you made any decisions about the worst case scenario? Just wondering while we wait if thereís any plan b.  Thanks for the update!


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Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: johntron25 on Tue, 15 January 2019, 17:20:14
Sorry for no updates, nothing in the situation has changed currently. PayPal is still waiting out the "response period" for the seller before they're willing to move on the dispute.

how much longer for the wait period to be over?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 16 January 2019, 18:42:08

how much longer for the wait period to be over?

Technically the seller has until Feb 21st to respond, though PayPal does have an "estimated resolution date" of tomorrow on the dispute pages, so I'll see what happens there.



Have you made any decisions about the worst case scenario? Just wondering while we wait if thereís any plan b.  Thanks for the update!


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The absolute worst case at this point in time is that the disputes get denied and I have to ship everyone their complete orders without the partial refund that I want to be able to give. I'd still be working on each of the orders to make sure everything is functional and that no one gets any of the boards that have the most severe issues. I'd also like to point out at this time that awhile back I went through the plates while dealing with the PCB disputes, and some of the plates do have minor visual defects, enough that I then started a dispute with JLCPCB since this is the second batch that I've received with this issue, particularly after being reassured it wouldn't happen again. This dispute is a lot less complicated than the PCB ones are and it's been long enough since it was opened that I anticipate it being resolved possibly before the PCBs, and I'm intending to use the funds as partial refunds to make up for the visual flaws.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: lollipoplouie on Wed, 16 January 2019, 20:24:38
Man, wish this wasn't such an ordeal for you donutcat.... Thank you for your transparency with everything however, and thank you for going through the effort to try and get a partial refund and making sure we are sent quality products. I am sure by the end of all this I will still have a board that I am very  happy with. =)
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: MatchstickMan on Thu, 17 January 2019, 08:25:11
Yeah, echoing lollipoplouie's sentiment, thank you for being so transparent about this group buy that should probably be renamed to the Murphy'sLaw96 by this point. :P
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: johntron25 on Thu, 17 January 2019, 13:19:49

how much longer for the wait period to be over?

Technically the seller has until Feb 21st to respond, though PayPal does have an "estimated resolution date" of tomorrow on the dispute pages, so I'll see what happens there.





Have you made any decisions about the worst case scenario? Just wondering while we wait if thereís any plan b.  Thanks for the update!


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The absolute worst case at this point in time is that the disputes get denied and I have to ship everyone their complete orders without the partial refund that I want to be able to give. I'd still be working on each of the orders to make sure everything is functional and that no one gets any of the boards that have the most severe issues. I'd also like to point out at this time that awhile back I went through the plates while dealing with the PCB disputes, and some of the plates do have minor visual defects, enough that I then started a dispute with JLCPCB since this is the second batch that I've received with this issue, particularly after being reassured it wouldn't happen again. This dispute is a lot less complicated than the PCB ones are and it's been long enough since it was opened that I anticipate it being resolved possibly before the PCBs, and I'm intending to use the funds as partial refunds to make up for the visual flaws.

Thank you for going the extra mile by trying to get us partial refund! Happy Newyear!
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: ryanh on Fri, 18 January 2019, 09:35:30
Yeah, echoing lollipoplouie's sentiment, thank you for being so transparent about this group buy that should probably be renamed to the Murphy'sLaw96 by this point. :P

I second, or third or whatever at this point, these sentiments.  This is actually working out well for me at this point because I was going to have to get the board shipped to my dad in California, but I'll be moved by the time this is all resolved, so I can just get it shipped straight to me!

Also, please consider this an enthusiastic second on the name Murphy'sLaw96!
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Sun, 20 January 2019, 07:45:32
Yeah, echoing lollipoplouie's sentiment, thank you for being so transparent about this group buy that should probably be renamed to the Murphy'sLaw96 by this point. :P

I second, or third or whatever at this point, these sentiments.  This is actually working out well for me at this point because I was going to have to get the board shipped to my dad in California, but I'll be moved by the time this is all resolved, so I can just get it shipped straight to me!

Also, please consider this an enthusiastic second on the name Murphy'sLaw96!

Same here, I'm also in the middle of a move and was going to have this shipped to my parents house. And I love the idea of renaming this to Murphy'sLaw96!
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: 112227 on Thu, 31 January 2019, 03:01:40
so current plan is to wait til 2/21?

Is that to see if they agree to remake/reimburse for PCBs?
I would believe it's highly unlikely they will choose to remake the PCBs. Have they responded at any point of the dispute?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: 112227 on Tue, 05 February 2019, 17:21:10
WTS $50

Budget96 GB
1 Black PCB, Black Plates, 1 Case Kit, 1 Hipro Layer, 1 GMK Stab Set
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: HotRoderX on Wed, 06 February 2019, 02:45:12
donut do you have any current updates for us? I know you said it could take till the 21st but was curious if anything happened.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: ryanh on Fri, 08 February 2019, 09:17:53
Sent you a pm

WTS $50

Budget96 GB
1 Black PCB, Black Plates, 1 Case Kit, 1 Hipro Layer, 1 GMK Stab Set
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 11 February 2019, 16:14:11
donut do you have any current updates for us? I know you said it could take till the 21st but was curious if anything happened.

Nothing on the PCBs currently, the disputes are still marked as "Under Review". There was a little notification that there was an update on the 5th, but nothing has changed on them so I think it's just someone looked at the dispute to see if there was any changes on either side.

There is some "good" news, depending on how you look at it, on the plates dispute, which was resolved mostly in my favor. So using the available funds from that dispute, any order that included plates will be receiving a 15% refund on them applied to their shipping invoice for the cosmetic issues, and I'll be going through the same process of cherry-picking through them to make sure no one gets the worst of them.

On a somewhat unrelated note, I've been toying around with the idea of a sticker to go with the kits that's like "I survived Murphy's-Law-96 and all I got was this lousy sticker" or something like that.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 11 February 2019, 16:54:04
Really looking forward to the board.  When it's winter I really prefer plastic cases.  Oh hell, who am I kidding.  I always prefer plastic cases :)
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: lollipoplouie on Tue, 12 February 2019, 01:11:26
donut do you have any current updates for us? I know you said it could take till the 21st but was curious if anything happened.

Nothing on the PCBs currently, the disputes are still marked as "Under Review". There was a little notification that there was an update on the 5th, but nothing has changed on them so I think it's just someone looked at the dispute to see if there was any changes on either side.

There is some "good" news, depending on how you look at it, on the plates dispute, which was resolved mostly in my favor. So using the available funds from that dispute, any order that included plates will be receiving a 15% refund on them applied to their shipping invoice for the cosmetic issues, and I'll be going through the same process of cherry-picking through them to make sure no one gets the worst of them.

On a somewhat unrelated note, I've been toying around with the idea of a sticker to go with the kits that's like "I survived Murphy's-Law-96 and all I got was this lousy sticker" or something like that.
Hey at least one of the disputes is handled, haha! Also, I am in full support of the sticker idea!

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Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: HotRoderX on Tue, 12 February 2019, 03:12:12
donut do you have any current updates for us? I know you said it could take till the 21st but was curious if anything happened.

Nothing on the PCBs currently, the disputes are still marked as "Under Review". There was a little notification that there was an update on the 5th, but nothing has changed on them so I think it's just someone looked at the dispute to see if there was any changes on either side.

There is some "good" news, depending on how you look at it, on the plates dispute, which was resolved mostly in my favor. So using the available funds from that dispute, any order that included plates will be receiving a 15% refund on them applied to their shipping invoice for the cosmetic issues, and I'll be going through the same process of cherry-picking through them to make sure no one gets the worst of them.

On a somewhat unrelated note, I've been toying around with the idea of a sticker to go with the kits that's like "I survived Murphy's-Law-96 and all I got was this lousy sticker" or something like that.

Sounds really good to me and I like the idea of the sticker! I starting to think 96 kits are cursed. I yet to see one go thought that didn't have some type of problem with the manufacture.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: johntron25 on Tue, 12 February 2019, 12:22:07
9 more days until Paypal dispute is complete....
I sure hope our orders are boxed and ready to be shipped...
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 12 February 2019, 15:11:16
Well, got an update sooner than anticipated, and it's unfortunately not as good as I was hoping for. PayPal's wanting me to find a "qualified expert" to look at the PCBs and tell them the same thing I told them and even showed them in the pictures I included in with the dispute information, because apparently it takes an "expert" to tell them that all the PCBs are at minimum visually defective and potentially functionally defective. I guess now I'll be looking for someone that meets their requirements for an "expert" and go from there. One day things will go as they should, but I guess I won't count on it being any time soon.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Tue, 12 February 2019, 16:23:48
Get ai03 or hiney... Someone that has a shop and sells pcbs
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: notFREEfood on Tue, 12 February 2019, 16:53:43
On a somewhat unrelated note, I've been toying around with the idea of a sticker to go with the kits that's like "I survived Murphy's-Law-96 and all I got was this lousy sticker" or something like that.

Knowing how everything has gone so far, is tempting fate really such a good idea?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 12 February 2019, 16:55:12
Well, got an update sooner than anticipated, and it's unfortunately not as good as I was hoping for. PayPal's wanting me to find a "qualified expert" to look at the PCBs and tell them the same thing I told them and even showed them in the pictures I included in with the dispute information, because apparently it takes an "expert" to tell them that all the PCBs are at minimum visually defective and potentially functionally defective. I guess now I'll be looking for someone that meets their requirements for an "expert" and go from there. One day things will go as they should, but I guess I won't count on it being any time soon.

Lame.  It definitely sounds like 1 of 2 possible things.  Either the manuf. is telling them the PCBs are fine, or someone at paypal is too lazy to actually look at the photos. 
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: HotRoderX on Tue, 12 February 2019, 18:27:07
Well, got an update sooner than anticipated, and it's unfortunately not as good as I was hoping for. PayPal's wanting me to find a "qualified expert" to look at the PCBs and tell them the same thing I told them and even showed them in the pictures I included in with the dispute information, because apparently it takes an "expert" to tell them that all the PCBs are at minimum visually defective and potentially functionally defective. I guess now I'll be looking for someone that meets their requirements for an "expert" and go from there. One day things will go as they should, but I guess I won't count on it being any time soon.

Perhaps I am mistaken but Donut wouldn't you count as a expert? I mean you run a shop that sells components and have't you designed a PCB. I mean if that doesn't make you expert I don't know what does. I also agree its either manufacture trying to weasel there way out or paypal being lazy, my money is on paypal being lazy.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 12 February 2019, 21:36:57
Perhaps I am mistaken but Donut wouldn't you count as a expert? I mean you run a shop that sells components and have't you designed a PCB. I mean if that doesn't make you expert I don't know what does. I also agree its either manufacture trying to weasel there way out or paypal being lazy, my money is on paypal being lazy.

Having not made it more than a few semesters into ECE, not only do I not have the official credentials they're asking for, but my opinion would likely be too biased for their liking seeing as I'm involved.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: HotRoderX on Wed, 13 February 2019, 00:47:23
Perhaps I am mistaken but Donut wouldn't you count as a expert? I mean you run a shop that sells components and have't you designed a PCB. I mean if that doesn't make you expert I don't know what does. I also agree its either manufacture trying to weasel there way out or paypal being lazy, my money is on paypal being lazy.

Having not made it more than a few semesters into ECE, not only do I not have the official credentials they're asking for, but my opinion would likely be too biased for their liking seeing as I'm involved.

Makes since and is total BS its on you as the customer to prove that its not correct specially since your showing them a damaged product. 
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: eyeball on Sun, 17 February 2019, 17:42:14
I see some people selling these. How does that work? The person paypals you and donut switches your order to the buyer? Looking to get out of this one if I can.

1 Black PCB, Black Plates, 1 Case Kit, 1 Hipro Layer, 1 GMK Stab Set
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: ryanh on Tue, 19 February 2019, 09:45:26
I see some people selling these. How does that work? The person paypals you and donut switches your order to the buyer? Looking to get out of this one if I can.

1 Black PCB, Black Plates, 1 Case Kit, 1 Hipro Layer, 1 GMK Stab Set

I bought another user's spot, and that's basically it.  Work out getting payment between the two users, then you both message donut to confirm.  He'll get things moved over on his end.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: tanvir175 on Tue, 19 February 2019, 16:38:17
I don't need these anymore, either. Selling the board they were gonna be replacements for.

I have 1x matte black and 1x purple pcb. Contact me here or on discord tanvir175#0001
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: eyeball on Sat, 23 February 2019, 08:18:13
1 Black PCB, Black Plates, 1 Case Kit, 1 Hipro Layer, 1 GMK Stab Set


$80

$70 if you pay by bitcoin
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: Blar on Tue, 26 February 2019, 09:50:55
Does anyone have any information if at all, what types of hot swap sockets would be compatible with the PCB.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: Gettys on Tue, 26 February 2019, 16:22:55
So...whatís the word? Any news or updates good or bad?


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Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: Blar on Thu, 28 February 2019, 07:56:14
So...whatís the word? Any news or updates good or bad?

As far as I can understand, donutcat is trying to to come in contact with someone with the credentials to tell paypal that "ya its pretty messed up."
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: tanvir175 on Sat, 02 March 2019, 12:21:40
I think this was mentioned way before but, just to clarify, these are entirely cosmetic issues right? Have you tested the PCB's yet to check if they work?

Cause honestly, if it works, I'd rather just have them now so I can list them on mm.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: Gettys on Sat, 02 March 2019, 13:15:43
I think this was mentioned way before but, just to clarify, these are entirely cosmetic issues right? Have you tested the PCB's yet to check if they work?

Cause honestly, if it works, I'd rather just have them now so I can list them on mm.
Yeah, he stated most seemed like cosmetic scratches and the likes but was going to test them all to make sure they worked and only send out ones that do vs  not checking and hoping.  Iím just curious as to what the time frame for these will be because weíre rounding the corner on a year sooner then later now.


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Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: Doonagoowin on Mon, 04 March 2019, 18:59:06
Looking to sell my spot.

1 Purple PCB, Red Plates, 1 Case Kit, 1 Hipro Layer, 3 GMK Stab Sets. $142

I can buy the 2 extra stab sets from you later on if don't need them.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: Ruckistherare on Tue, 05 March 2019, 15:52:46
Looking to sell my spot as well.

1 Black PCB, Black Plates, 1 Case Kit, 1 Hipro Layer, 1 GMK Stab Set
$133.50

Contact me on here or for better results, on discord (ruckistherare#0500)
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: HotRoderX on Tue, 05 March 2019, 15:58:25
Guys not to point out the obvious but yea.. if this keeps up he most likely going to have to deny people. I am sure its a lot of work for him to refund someone then setup a new invoice not to mention doesn't he lose the fees? Also as many people are looking to sell at this point there a good chance the market is over saturated and the few people that did want to buy already got the deals they wanted. I think at this point its best to just way and see what happens.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: 112227 on Tue, 05 March 2019, 16:16:23
If this is true, I would expect an overwhelming majority of people asking for their invoices to be refreshed to regain paypal protection. I would already advise this.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: 8six753o9 on Tue, 05 March 2019, 16:22:53
I'm at a point that I rather have the item shipped to me than having my invoices refreshed.  I don't get why we have to wait for the result of the PayPal claim.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: Gettys on Tue, 05 March 2019, 18:18:44
I'm at a point that I rather have the item shipped to me than having my invoices refreshed.  I don't get why we have to wait for the result of the PayPal claim.
This is where Iím at with it now.  Iím not upset just rather confused to whatís going on with how everythingís gonna be handled.  I get the dispute but thatís over now, and thereís been no updates as to who heíll get or when or what.   I originally got into this gb to play around with the board especially with how fast the turn around was supposed to be.


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Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: digiNZM on Wed, 06 March 2019, 05:08:05
I signed up on GH a year ago just to join this GB and i still think everything will work out fine. Also at this point i'd just like to have the item shipped - otherwise regaining paypal protection would be a nice thing but if this causes fees or a massive workload i could live without it. Some updated timeline would be nice.

Also, if anyone has a hipro layer to sell feel free to message me.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: eyeball on Sat, 09 March 2019, 07:57:59
Almost a month with no updates.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: Gettys on Sat, 09 March 2019, 11:27:29
Seems to be the trend with this


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Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: Ruckistherare on Mon, 11 March 2019, 08:33:59
I guess I'm not the majority, but I'm actually at the point where it's been almost a year and my tastes in this hobby have changed. I no longer want an acrylic 96-key board. I'd prefer to just get a refund and not have to worry about selling my spot or selling the kit after I receive it. After such a long delay, I think it would only be fair for the folks who want to get a refund, do so. I know Donut is in a tough situation, but similar to how mechkeys handled the espectro, the people who wanted out, got out and he sold the extras.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Mon, 11 March 2019, 11:42:46
I guess I'm not the majority, but I'm actually at the point where it's been almost a year and my tastes in this hobby have changed. I no longer want an acrylic 96-key board. I'd prefer to just get a refund and not have to worry about selling my spot or selling the kit after I receive it. After such a long delay, I think it would only be fair for the folks who want to get a refund, do so. I know Donut is in a tough situation, but similar to how mechkeys handled the espectro, the people who wanted out, got out and he sold the extras.

This. Would be interested if donut is willing.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: Gettys on Mon, 11 March 2019, 11:45:45
I guess I'm not the majority, but I'm actually at the point where it's been almost a year and my tastes in this hobby have changed. I no longer want an acrylic 96-key board. I'd prefer to just get a refund and not have to worry about selling my spot or selling the kit after I receive it. After such a long delay, I think it would only be fair for the folks who want to get a refund, do so. I know Donut is in a tough situation, but similar to how mechkeys handled the espectro, the people who wanted out, got out and he sold the extras.

This. Would be interested if donut is willing.
At this point Iíd go with either.  I originally bought this to play BFA since all I own are 60%.  Stopped playing the game months ago and still without this board lol.


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Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: HotRoderX on Mon, 11 March 2019, 12:07:46
I guess I'm not the majority, but I'm actually at the point where it's been almost a year and my tastes in this hobby have changed. I no longer want an acrylic 96-key board. I'd prefer to just get a refund and not have to worry about selling my spot or selling the kit after I receive it. After such a long delay, I think it would only be fair for the folks who want to get a refund, do so. I know Donut is in a tough situation, but similar to how mechkeys handled the espectro, the people who wanted out, got out and he sold the extras.


Don't think you fully followed that drama, at first yes he allowed people a refund sorta. Instead of a straight refund he offered to sell theirs on the website then refund them once it sold. That turned into he got upset and just decided to send everyone the board and they could sell on mechmarket after two days, if they didn't want it. Which turned ugly from there. That entire drop was terrible and ended extremely poorly. I know personally I still have no base for my Espectro and no extra PCB that I paid for. I gave up trying as he had no intention of sending either. I was pretty upset when seen him running another IC and people signing up for it. Funny thing is Espectro was suppose to be his last project since it went so horrible.  This new project he IC and did a Group buy for is now his final project. I would put money the next project he does will be his final project also. We were warned that speaking up in public about Espectro would mean getting our orders forgotten. He posted that on his discord then deleted it shortly after. I guess he figured it cause to much negative backlash.

As far as this goes I am cutting Donut some slack for the simple fact he been working on another group buy. He was doing the coiled cable group buy that went kinda wonky if I am not mistaken. I do agree we been waiting a while but I don't see a refund as a possibility. Refunding everyone or even those that wish to be refunded would most likely cost him to much out of pocket, it might would even bankrupt his company. I don't think that will be happening honestly.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: Overchecken8 on Mon, 11 March 2019, 12:30:42
I guess I'm not the majority, but I'm actually at the point where it's been almost a year and my tastes in this hobby have changed. I no longer want an acrylic 96-key board. I'd prefer to just get a refund and not have to worry about selling my spot or selling the kit after I receive it. After such a long delay, I think it would only be fair for the folks who want to get a refund, do so. I know Donut is in a tough situation, but similar to how mechkeys handled the espectro, the people who wanted out, got out and he sold the extras.
I completely agree with this. Very interested to hear from Donut
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: Ruckistherare on Sun, 17 March 2019, 18:27:04
I guess I'm not the majority, but I'm actually at the point where it's been almost a year and my tastes in this hobby have changed. I no longer want an acrylic 96-key board. I'd prefer to just get a refund and not have to worry about selling my spot or selling the kit after I receive it. After such a long delay, I think it would only be fair for the folks who want to get a refund, do so. I know Donut is in a tough situation, but similar to how mechkeys handled the espectro, the people who wanted out, got out and he sold the extras.


Don't think you fully followed that drama, at first yes he allowed people a refund sorta. Instead of a straight refund he offered to sell theirs on the website then refund them once it sold. That turned into he got upset and just decided to send everyone the board and they could sell on mechmarket after two days, if they didn't want it. Which turned ugly from there. That entire drop was terrible and ended extremely poorly. I know personally I still have no base for my Espectro and no extra PCB that I paid for. I gave up trying as he had no intention of sending either. I was pretty upset when seen him running another IC and people signing up for it. Funny thing is Espectro was suppose to be his last project since it went so horrible.  This new project he IC and did a Group buy for is now his final project. I would put money the next project he does will be his final project also. We were warned that speaking up in public about Espectro would mean getting our orders forgotten. He posted that on his discord then deleted it shortly after. I guess he figured it cause to much negative backlash.

As far as this goes I am cutting Donut some slack for the simple fact he been working on another group buy. He was doing the coiled cable group buy that went kinda wonky if I am not mistaken. I do agree we been waiting a while but I don't see a refund as a possibility. Refunding everyone or even those that wish to be refunded would most likely cost him to much out of pocket, it might would even bankrupt his company. I don't think that will be happening honestly.


I did not fully follow the drama, because for the longest time I actually forgot about this. I don't use geekhack all too often and I haven't gotten an e-mail or anything, I don't blame him for not posting publicly, but I wouldn't know about this 'drama' if I didn't check here over 6 months later. I had to actually google my way here and this is my first time using my geekhack account.

I totally get that we're in a group buy and run a risk. This is similar to crowdfunding, but a little different. I just thought no one had suggested it a refund instead of sale, and was curious to hear about the possibility. It's a hassle for both ends right now, for sure, it's not fair to either end, if someone wants out. I just really doubt I'll even be able to sell this at cost on MM, so someone is losing money. I just think he has a platform to sell them with an established audience, I don't. So donut is definitely more likely to successfully sell extras. Now, I'm not saying any of this is exactly how I expect it to go, and if it doesn't go that way, I don't blame him. It's an extremely tough situation, but I thought it was worth bringing up at this point.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: tanvir175 on Sun, 17 March 2019, 22:50:57
Donut, the last time you responded in this thread was Feb 12.
You have made several posts on other threads, since then, the last one being on March 12th.
As of writing this post, the last time you have been active was, today, March 17th.
It's pretty annoying that you can't take a minute or two to comment on a hanging GB thread with questions/requests for updates.
If there's nothing to update, say that. It takes less than a minute and lets people know **** is still happening. It's not rocket science, dude.

I will ask once again. I don't need the details. Just reply with a "yes" or "no" to these questions.
1) Are the damages to the PCB's ONLY cosmetic?
2) Have you tested the PCB's to all be fully working?
Again, a simple yes or no will suffice. I don't care about anything else.

Finally, it's been nearly a year since this GB started. I can't file a claim on you even if I wanted to. Whether or not the answers to my previous questions are a yes or no, just send me my damn pcb's or give me a refund and continue your paypal dispute with the rest of them.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 18 March 2019, 19:23:49
First up, I'd like to apologize for having not responded for awhile. Aside from all the **** going on with PayPal around this issue and some others, as well as a few personal things happening, it looks like I was unsubscribed from the thread for some reason. I haven't been actively looking around GH for a month or so now(and I've not been on Reddit, Keebtalk, or the Discord for about that same amount of time either), and only really been getting on to answer PMs and a couple posts that I did get notifications for. So with the thread not actively on my mind I didn't think to go looking to see if there were responses I wasn't being notified of and someone actually had to message me that people were asking for me in here.

As it sits, PayPal is still being a pain in the ass about all of this. Technically this is the third time the dispute's been denied, with both these past two times being because they want me to submit documentation but don't give me a way to do so. For example, they want me to upload the docs to their message center, except business accounts haven't had a link to the message center since at least July 2015 from what I looked up, fun times. I'll have to call them *again* and hope I get one of the useful reps that deal with the PayPal debit card instead of the mostly un-useful normal PayPal reps, like the ones that kept sending me automated emails when I told them I was unable to access the message center.

The plan is currently, I'm tired of waiting on PayPal to do the ****. Originally I was instructed that I had to keep the items in question on hand for the duration of the dispute, which is the main reason I haven't been willing to ship yet. I'm going to ignore that at this point because it doesn't matter anymore, and I'll begin working on getting kits shipped out this week. When/if the actual dispute is accepted then I'll be able to process the partial refunds for the PCBs.

Because of PayPal's ****ery, my business PayPal is currently unusable, yay. Instead I'll be using my personal account to handle invoicing for shipping, so you may not get the invoice from my normal PayPal email though I'll be trying to set it up to do that. I'll note this in the invoices, but please make sure your shipping address is up to date in PayPal *before* you pay the invoice since that's what I'll be shipping to.

At this time I can't really refund orders because A) my PayPal's ****ed as previously stated, and B) I have nowhere near enough money to be able to refund everyone and it would be unfair to offer refunds to however many people it takes to drain my bank account, which would then affect my ability to ship orders.

Quote
1) Are the damages to the PCB's ONLY cosmetic?
2) Have you tested the PCB's to all be fully working?

There's no good "yes or no" to this.
1) Mostly - *Most* of the damage is cosmetic, though there is a notable number where it has the potential to or actively does affect function.
2) Not all of them have been tested - A decent chunk I went through and at minimum plugged them in and they were recognized by windows and BMC and were able to take a firmware update.
As mentioned previously, I'll be thoroughly testing each PCB as they are packed so everyone gets a functional PCB.


I think I've answered the main questions that I've seen, if there's something I missed let me know, I think my notifications should be back working again but I'll keep an eye out just in case. I am sorry this worked out the way it did, I'm tired of everything that's been happening with this and I'm really hoping it'll be finished up before too much longer. I will be looking to actively seek out possible alternatives to going through PayPal in the future since the main reason I used them was for their protections, protections that have failed me, this GB, and everyone involved so far.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Tue, 19 March 2019, 00:09:54
Thanks for the update bud. Hang in there, and F PayPal for dragging you thru the mud.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: danielucf on Wed, 20 March 2019, 08:30:40
Did you ever get an expert? What were the details of certifications required? If you put that info out here, we can try and find someone. I occasionally work with a 3D printing company who has all kinds of certified engineers. They work with PCBs and all kinds of interesting electronics and might be able to help.
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: tanvir175 on Wed, 20 March 2019, 11:42:56
I think I've answered the main questions that I've seen, if there's something I missed let me know, I think my notifications should be back working again but I'll keep an eye out just in case. I am sorry this worked out the way it did, I'm tired of everything that's been happening with this and I'm really hoping it'll be finished up before too much longer. I will be looking to actively seek out possible alternatives to going through PayPal in the future since the main reason I used them was for their protections, protections that have failed me, this GB, and everyone involved so far.

Thanks for the update, Donut.

Btw, since you're an ECE student, have you considered asking a professor in your department?
Title: Re: [GB] budget96 - Waiting for PayPal to do stuff
Post by: ClicksOnLinks on Fri, 22 March 2019, 16:51:06
At this point I don't even care anymore. just ship me my board... If it's broken I will fix it