Why aren't ergo clears an official switch?

[Roguemaster8]

They are seriously the best one out of the blues, reds, and browns I've tried. It's crazy just how nice they are to type on, yet they aren't sold by ZF Electronics as an actual switch.

Has innovation as far as keyswitches go been stagnant over the past decade? Also, if through a miracle they were to become an officially sold switch, what color would they be?
I swear this wasn't meant to be a thread about me gushing over a particular switch, but these are just magical.

[Reptile]

Purple seems fitting to me

[rknize]

I think there would be a tolerance problem if they made them like we do.  I find that they can be "sticky" for a while if the stems are new.  A bit of lube helps, but when you crank out a billion of them they all need to work reliably.

[keyboardlover]

I agree...I wish they manufactured them new as well!

[jdcarpe]

I think there would be a tolerance problem if they made them like we do.  I find that they can be "sticky" for a while if the stems are new.  A bit of lube helps, but when you crank out a billion of them they all need to work reliably.

Exactly. If you mod your own switch, and it sticks sometimes, you just go with it and tap it relentlessly until it smooths out. But if they came from the factory that way, everyone would want to RMA their boards as defective. I really think what ZF needs to produce is a switch between the brown and the clear. Spring resistance should be about 52cN, and the tactile bump would be more pronounced than on the brown stem, but less than on the clear/grey stem. To me, that would be ideal.

[The_Beast]

I love browns but they could definitely use more of a bump

[Roguemaster8]

Well for me, ergo clears bridge the gap between the tactility of blues and the smoothness of browns. I haven't seen any stickiness with my Poker, but I bought mine used from a fellow Geekhacker so maybe it was already broken in.

I would just desperately love a new Filco that comes preinstalled with ergo clears.

[spolia optima]

IIRC there's some weird anomaly with "ergo clears"... weird actuation point or reset point or something? Doesn't it have hysteresis issue like the blue? Something like that... I've never used one...

anyway, What Cherry REALLY needs is an option in between the brown and clear. Something with a bigger tactile bump, but while keeping the 2.0mm actuation point.

No... what Cherry REALLY needs in an in-between spring. What's the deal, you kraut f***s?

[jdcarpe]

Exactly. If you mod your own switch, and it sticks sometimes, you just go with it and tap it relentlessly until it smooths out. But if they came from the factory that way, everyone would want to RMA their boards as defective. I really think what ZF needs to produce is a switch between the brown and the clear. Spring resistance should be about 52cN, and the tactile bump would be more pronounced than on the brown stem, but less than on the clear/grey stem. To me, that would be ideal.

IIRC there's some weird anomaly with "ergo clears"... weird actuation point or reset point or something? Doesn't it have hysteresis issue like the blue? Something like that... I've never used one...

anyway, What Cherry REALLY needs is an option in between the brown and clear. Something with a bigger tactile bump, but while keeping the 2.0mm actuation point.

No... what Cherry REALLY needs in an in-between spring. What's the deal, you kraut f***s?

Plagiarist! Haha, just kidding. Seems we have the same idea.

[spolia optima]

Plagiarist! Haha, just kidding. Seems we have the same idea.

TBH I didn't read ur post. Great minds think alike lol.

The white knock-off Cherrys (Chicony) had an in-between spring which was pretty ideal.

[Lanx]

i think i had one switch that was "sticky" idk if that's due to the age of the assorted cherry switches/stems but i just gave it a hard thwack (btw thwack passes the spelling filter) and it loosened up forever.

[Roguemaster8]

I found this interesting piece on the Deskthority wiki.

http://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_MX_Ergo_Clear

On request, Cherry stated that they would actually produce Ergo Clears in a slider-colour of choice, provided that they get an order of at least 750,000 switches. Among keyboard enthusiasts there is a controversy, whether such switches should be pinks or violets.

[absyrd]

On request, Cherry stated that they would actually produce Ergo Clears in a slider-colour of choice, provided that they get an order of at least 750,000 switches. Among keyboard enthusiasts there is a controversy, whether such switches should be pinks or violets.

Hah! Is that because they are the girly version of blues or regular clears?

I'll take pinks.

[nullstring]

That is interesting. 750,000 switches is only about 7000 full-size keyboards.
Thats surely a small enough order than one of these manufactures could try it out.

Though, I wonder what the price on the switch would be.
mx violets sounds good to me.

Any manufacture who does this will surely sell them all based on uniqueness alone.