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Offline azhdar

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Any ELECOM Huge users
« on: Thu, 04 April 2019, 07:13:49 »
Been experimenting with the ELECOM Huge lately.
(This is my first trackball).
I kinf of like it, but I'm not sure if it's too big for me or not?
Because I can't really figure what is the correct hand position for it.

Me I do :
- Thumb sitting on Left click
- Index and middle finger on the ball
- Ring in between R & Fn3
- pinky sitting on right end



My main issue with it is how hard the middle click is, I'm a big middle click user and it's so heavy to press down.

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Re: Any ELECOM Huge users
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 04 April 2019, 21:26:22 »
Your hand position is correct, just keep in mind that to comfortably access the scroll wheel you should rest fingertips on the ball, means to move wrist backward. Some people with really big hands that prefer to control ball with fingers moved more forward report that Huge is too small for them because then it is impossible to reach scroll wheel without thumb acrobatics. I also having Elecom Deft Pro, and for this one I actually can move wrist more forward without loosing scroll wheel.
And yes, both of Elecoms are having quite heavy middle click, or may be it is just not too convenient to click it sideways with the thumb. I do not use middle click, so I actually do not bother about that.

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Re: Any ELECOM Huge users
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 05 April 2019, 04:32:58 »
Thanks.

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Re: Any ELECOM Huge users
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 29 April 2019, 17:52:47 »
How's the ball? Is it smooth when you move it?

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Re: Any ELECOM Huge users
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 22 February 2020, 16:34:54 »
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How's the ball? Is it smooth when you move it?

Hi, the ball is great and very smooth. The huge is very close to Microsoft Trackball Explorer ergonomically but the ball is larger and you can select dpi speed too.
A lot of buttons, very useful when you use sketchup. It's one of  my favorite.
A little photo for comparaison:





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Re: Any ELECOM Huge users
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 25 February 2020, 13:34:16 »
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How's the ball? Is it smooth when you move it?

Hi, the ball is great and very smooth. The huge is very close to Microsoft Trackball Explorer ergonomically but the ball is larger and you can select dpi speed too.
A lot of buttons, very useful when you use sketchup. It's one of  my favorite.
A little photo for comparaison:
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I have an Elecom Huge and can also confirm the trackball is very nice and smooth.

But I have the Elecom M-XT3DRBK and M-XT4DRBK and the trackball on these is smooth about 90% of the time. Sometimes there's a little extra friction in there, even when it's been cleaned. Unlike the Huge, these have smaller black trackballs. I might try changing over to a different ball, if I can find ones that will fit.

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Re: Any ELECOM Huge users
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 06 March 2020, 15:18:54 »
I didn't know they made trackballs. I only knew about the mice. So ELECOM is Japanese BTW
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Re: Any ELECOM Huge users
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 06 March 2020, 15:36:20 »
I've been using an elecom huge for nearly a year and it's a great trackball and its really comfortable, for me i changed fn1 to middle mouse through mouseassistant5 or whatever the elecom software is called because I found the scroll wheel to be very difficult to press all the way in.

When it's set to fn1 its an easy reach with the index finger.

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Re: Any ELECOM Huge users
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 13 March 2020, 02:54:37 »
Just got my Huge yesterday. To be honest, I'm having mixed a experience.
Prior to this, I had the Slimblade and when that failed, I was deliberating on whether to get Huge or the Expert.

I will say that the scrolling on the Slimblade came pretty much naturally to me. It felt comfortable and natural right from the first second. On the Huge, it takes a bit of getting used to. I know that those who like the MS Trackball Explorer will like this.

Of course the worst thing right now for me is the fact that the Elecom Mouse Assistant software does not seem to be working that well with MacOS.

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Re: Any ELECOM Huge users
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 27 March 2020, 22:30:28 »
I use it with my hand place on the buttons how you describe in your original post.

However, personally I don't really use the buttons on the right-hand side of the mouse as I find them too easy to mis-click (I have them set as alt key and a new tab key for chrome).

I have the left click where it is by default, but I use the forward button as a right click and the backward button as a middle click. This saves having to push in the wheel for the middle click.

I use the up and down scroll wheel tilts to navigate backwards and forwards in chrome.

I then have Fn1 and Fn2 as volume up and down respectively.

Definitely worth upgrading the bearings to ceramics though, the Huge has an unusable amount of static friction stock, and even with the upgrade is nowhere near as smooth as the Kensington Expert, although I cannot work out why.

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Re: Any ELECOM Huge users
« Reply #10 on: Sat, 28 March 2020, 00:08:44 »
I just got a set of Ceramic Bearings for the huge, I'm hoping to do the upgrade tomorrow.

We'll see how it goes.

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Re: Any ELECOM Huge users
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 30 April 2020, 19:34:54 »
I just got a set of Ceramic Bearings for the huge, I'm hoping to do the upgrade tomorrow.

We'll see how it goes.

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Re: Any ELECOM Huge users
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 08 May 2020, 06:03:03 »
Definitely worth upgrading the bearings to ceramics though, the Huge has an unusable amount of static friction stock

Does this mean when you try to first move the ball it feels a bit sticky?  If so I agree - it's lovely and smooth once moving but small moves from still are not accurate.
                               
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Re: Any ELECOM Huge users
« Reply #13 on: Sat, 30 May 2020, 12:18:23 »
Definitely worth upgrading the bearings to ceramics though, the Huge has an unusable amount of static friction stock

Does this mean when you try to first move the ball it feels a bit sticky?  If so I agree - it's lovely and smooth once moving but small moves from still are not accurate.
Yes it does. For me when I changed the bearings the whole mouse felt just a bit smoother. I might not have gotten high quality bearings but it made some difference.

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Re: Any ELECOM Huge users
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 04 June 2020, 01:54:37 »
I much prefer the top gaming deft. Already comes with ceramic.

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« Reply #15 on: Fri, 12 June 2020, 03:20:19 »
I've just received one of these trackballs. My last one (several years ago) was a CST so the Huge feels a bit light and flimsy in comparison. It's a bit early to post further thoughts, but I did think its worth mentioning that the ball felt very slightly sticky at the beginning of its motion.

I popped the ball out and discovered that the bearings were covered in some kind of semi-solidified grey grease. Once I rubbed this off, the ball is significantly smoother.

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« Reply #16 on: Thu, 25 June 2020, 21:23:45 »
I noticed those bearings get clogged a lot and I don't eat around mine or anything. Cleaning those makes such a difference.

I will say its the best trackball I think i've owned. The Kensington one I had was a close second.



Going between that and the M3 and a Model O is some switch.

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Re: Any ELECOM Huge users
« Reply #17 on: Thu, 25 June 2020, 22:00:20 »
Ive been using one for a week or so now. Previous trackball was a CST.

It's... okay. Part of this is personal preference, part of this is quality.

Personal preference: I prefer the larger diameter ball of the CST, as well as the flatter and more centrally located ball. I found this gave me better fine-grained control of the cursor (especially the larger ball, which gave better leverage).

Edit: I've just identified another advantage to the CST design. The large buttons on either side of the trackball are actuated by the same fingers as used to operate the large ball. On the Elecom design, the primary mouse button can only be thumb-actuated. I am finding that when I press the thumb button, my fingers remain close enough to the ball surface that I often bump the ball and move the cursor when I click. Whether this happens is going to be down to the user, but I've been using this thing for over two weeks now and haven't managed to adapt.

Quality: The microswitches in the Huge seem to use different types. Standard mouse-like (clicky) under most buttons, but the Forward/Back, Fn1/Fn2 buttons seem to use a different switch- these 'mush' when actuated instead of properly clicking. This renders them... well, close to useless for me. I had wanted to remap one of the buttons closer to the ball into the left click button, but the mushy buttons are not viable as a primary mouse button.

This brings me onto the next quality issue- the software is utter garbage. It doesn't write into the trackball firmware, you need to have it running all the time if you want to remap buttons. If you move the trackball across multiple machines, you need to install the Elecom software on each machine. I've had it default into Japanese, and had to guess around to change it back to English. And most of it is comprehensible once in the language of your choice, but at least one of the functions was described so obscurely I had to Google it.

I do have replacement ceramic bearings making their way slowly to me, which will be swapped in out of curiosity. But the ball and smoothness are not problematic (as others have been having issues with).

Overall: It's usable (barely). It's cheap. It's nowhere comparable to a CST- it's big but flimsy, it's got some major UX issues. If I were based in the States, where I ordered this from, I would be returning this. Unfortunately, return shipping would cost about as much as the trackball.
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Re: Any ELECOM Huge users
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 26 June 2020, 00:14:16 »
Looked at the comment of ELECOM Huge, let me tell you something in thought, in the same way, I do not use this product (ELECOM Huge) but my friend John uses it. Overall he has described this product as ok.

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Re: Any ELECOM Huge users
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 07 July 2020, 20:19:51 »
After trying to use an Elecom Huge for a month, I'm giving up on it.

I had previously thought that the bearings were okay, but was mistaken. The ball doesn't spin freely, given a quick spin it stops very quickly. For large movements, this isn't an issue. But for fine control, there is an inherent stickiness to the initial movement which makes small pointer adjustments difficult- I often overshoot slightly.

Going back to a $30 wireless Logitech mouse for now, it's preferable to the Elecom. I have replacement ceramic bearings stuck somewhere in a delivery system, and once they arrive (it's been three months so far) I will give the Elecom another shot.

Based on my experience so far, the Elecom Huge is a definite No.

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« Reply #20 on: Sun, 19 July 2020, 03:12:11 »
I have a rule with things like this - I use them until I no longer think about them and they become natural.  After a month I still had initial friction and after two months I was still struggling to double click or right click without moving sometimes.  Yesterday I noticed the friction has gone (I've not cleaned the bearingrs for a couple of weeks, though use has been low) and the only thing I remember annoying me was the warm handrest as I was using it in the middle of a warm day, which is unusual.
                               
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« Reply #21 on: Sat, 01 August 2020, 06:28:34 »
With the time that I have spent using the HUGE, I can safely say that it actually is the best trackball that I have used by far. Yes, I used it till everything is pretty much now natural; habitual even.
Buttons that I have did not think that I would be using are pretty much like second nature. Again, the only real thing that bugs me is the fact that Elecom does not provide proper software for us MacOS users. It seems that the Windows versions work great and have a lot more features for me to unlock.

So I am a happy Elecom HUGE user.

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Re: Any ELECOM Huge users
« Reply #22 on: Sat, 01 August 2020, 08:29:57 »
Buttons that I have did not think that I would be using are pretty much like second nature.

What do your buttons do?

I have wheel up/down as page up/down and the two little buttons next to the ball as double and triple click for selecting text, but currently I've got two right clicks as I can't think of a good use for either of them.
                               
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