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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 04:49:16 »
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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 04:51:29 »
Connector and mount have me intrigued.

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 04:56:52 »
Good to see a second board implementing the true isolation methodology for mounting


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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 06:13:57 »
Lemo connector, nice mounting system, awsome back, oooof better than keycult  :D

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 07:03:09 »
Ah if only the bezels on the sides were thinner!

Looks neat, but what's the reasoning behind doing the Lemo?
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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 07:04:38 »
Ah if only the bezels on the sides were thinner!

Looks neat, but what's the reasoning behind doing the Lemo?


Supports a number of the newer PCBs that have breakouts for daughterboards. Iím assuming the daughterboard comes with the lemo and you just connect that to the pcb breakout


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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 07:48:45 »
I'll be watching this close. I really like the curves on the bottom.

Do you have a plan for protos or anything or is this pre-proto type IC?

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 07:56:53 »
What is advantage of an integrated B-Series LEMO?

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 08:40:05 »
Me likey. Interesting mounting configuration - can anyone comment on the sound of something like this?

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 08:47:01 »
Me in

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 08:51:11 »
Wow, this is so cool. Please tell me it's not going to be limited.

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 09:01:55 »
Awesome design! Love the thick bezels. It gives the keyboard that old-school style I so much adore. Will it come with a PCB? Any other colors besides black and white?


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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 09:10:23 »
what are fr4 and cf? (plate options)

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 09:18:10 »
what are fr4 and cf? (plate options)

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PCB material and carbon fiber, respectively.

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #15 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 09:32:05 »
cool, following!

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #16 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 09:45:27 »
This looks delightful, I love both the technical aspects and the design! In.

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #17 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 09:50:46 »
what are fr4 and cf? (plate options)

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FR4 is PCB material, and CF is carbon fiber.

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #18 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 09:56:58 »
wow  :cool:

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #19 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 10:02:36 »
Definitely in.

Looks like a lot of attention was paid to the finer details and Iíve been on the hunt for a silver board.
If you have pictures of the RAL 9006 anode that would be perfect.

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #20 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 10:38:12 »
Count me interested. Been waiting for a TKL interesting enough to buy.

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #21 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 10:40:16 »
NE Alps Plate avail?


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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 10:50:20 »
what are fr4 and cf? (plate options)

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PCB material and carbon fiber, respectively.

what are fr4 and cf? (plate options)

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FR4 is PCB material, and CF is carbon fiber.

thanks guys, I got stuck with acronyms

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #23 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 11:04:22 »
looking good! i'll be following this closely  :thumb:
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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 11:34:59 »
looks really nice. it'd be cool to have a numpad too ;)

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #25 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 11:52:50 »
NE Alps Plate avail?

Maybe.

Plate files will be available during group buy.

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #26 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 12:26:01 »
That connector! That bottom! That mounting!

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #27 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 12:42:51 »
Yeah I'm not so sure the hype around keycult when concepts like this exist. It's like what I like for Norbauer but with incline and MX.
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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #28 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 12:54:42 »
Yeah I'm not so sure the hype around keycult when concepts like this exist. It's like what I like for Norbauer but with incline and MX.

Exclusivity drives a lot of the aftermarket prices

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #29 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 13:36:45 »
Those curves & those edges  :-* def in

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #30 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 13:38:02 »
Fifty X <3

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #31 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 13:47:21 »
Ah if only the bezels on the sides were thinner!

Looks neat, but what's the reasoning behind doing the Lemo?

For me, personally.. the bezels is what makes this a piece and not just a keyboard :)

lemo.. bc the connection is HOT :p
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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #32 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 13:50:19 »
This is dope as hell. I'm really diggin' the Lemo port and the curvy bottom.

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #33 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 13:54:53 »
Very intrigued, what's your plan for prototypes?

I think the case would look cooler if the bottom wasn't curved but rather had a linear slope up to the edge. This in my opinion would better complement the thick bezels and blocky top design.
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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #34 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 17:26:40 »
bezels are a little thick for my taste but the design is interesting
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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #35 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 18:15:12 »
After looking at it a bit more I also think the bezels are too thick. I'm also concerned about the price if the entire bottom part is supposed to be brass?
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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #36 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 19:23:18 »
a bit thick for me to 100% buy in. but I like the design overall. why no middle screws? do you assume that it will flex in the middle? would be nice to see an internal weight on it somehow.

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #37 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 20:48:48 »
Whole bottom is brass? Hope there is a Alu version  :))

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #38 on: Thu, 18 April 2019, 23:33:09 »
The thick bezels make this keyboard stand out. Without them, it would be just another keyboard.


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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #39 on: Fri, 19 April 2019, 00:54:58 »
The thick bezels make this keyboard stand out. Without them, it would be just another keyboard.


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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #40 on: Fri, 19 April 2019, 01:44:00 »
lemo connection looks dank. also super excited to see that isolation mount in action.

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #41 on: Fri, 19 April 2019, 04:33:00 »
Looks really good..... keeping a keen eye on this :)


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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #42 on: Fri, 19 April 2019, 05:53:14 »
Okay, this is beautiful!

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #43 on: Fri, 19 April 2019, 09:30:25 »
This is hot. Will keep watching how it goes.
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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #44 on: Fri, 19 April 2019, 15:47:11 »
im in. looks awesome

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #45 on: Fri, 19 April 2019, 15:49:47 »
Estimated weight? Although I'm a 65% person. This tkl is appealing to me! The bezels are sexy af




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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #46 on: Fri, 19 April 2019, 18:35:59 »
Prototype photos, including weight, will be posted later next week.

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #47 on: Fri, 19 April 2019, 19:19:26 »
I am interested. I love the bezels. This looks like a solid TKL.

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #48 on: Fri, 19 April 2019, 19:31:52 »
Very good looking board. Interested if I can get an Alps plate.

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #49 on: Fri, 19 April 2019, 19:49:04 »
like others have said, the bezels are too thick for me, but the concept looks interesting. keen to see protos when/if they get made.

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #50 on: Sat, 20 April 2019, 02:32:42 »
Not a huge fan of TKL, but this looks pretty awesome. Agreed that bezels are a bit thick to me, but I definitely get the appeal. Interested to see what price is. The Lemo connector + Brass bottom can't come cheap. Either way, great design.

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #51 on: Sat, 20 April 2019, 14:14:30 »
I think the bezels are another thing that sets it apart. I like them honestly

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #52 on: Sat, 20 April 2019, 15:08:14 »
I'm pretty interested as-is, however, I have a feeling that the bottom part is going to end up quite expensive to machine, and if you decided to simplify the the curves (especially around the lemo connector/rear bottom angle), it would become more affordable. I think this is a solid must have for me, so please give as much info as possible in advance so I can budget it in :)

It's a fantastic design.

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #53 on: Sun, 21 April 2019, 02:37:13 »
This is it.

100%.

In.

As is. please keep the bottom all pvd....

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #54 on: Sun, 21 April 2019, 18:36:10 »
Good to see a second board implementing the true isolation methodology for mounting


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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #55 on: Sun, 21 April 2019, 18:45:40 »
Good to see a second board implementing the true isolation methodology for mounting


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What does this mean?
My personal board, the J-01 uses exactly this type of mounting as well. Build stream available on YouTube



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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #56 on: Sun, 21 April 2019, 19:23:33 »
Cool mounting style and connector, consider me interested!

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #57 on: Sun, 21 April 2019, 20:02:02 »
I must have one.

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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #58 on: Sun, 21 April 2019, 22:29:20 »
Good to see a second board implementing the true isolation methodology for mounting


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What does this mean?
My personal board, the J-01 uses exactly this type of mounting as well. Build stream available on YouTube



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Cool stream. Was cool hearing about all the design decisions. Why do you prefer this method? I did a quick search but I didn't find much.
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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #59 on: Sun, 21 April 2019, 23:17:44 »
Good to see a second board implementing the true isolation methodology for mounting


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What does this mean?
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Cool stream. Was cool hearing about all the design decisions. Why do you prefer this method? I did a quick search but I didn't find much.

it sounds good but doesn't feel much better than any normal sandwich or top mount board

at least in my experience, i haven't used jae's board
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Re: [IC] Kepler
« Reply #60 on: Mon, 22 April 2019, 02:46:58 »
Good to see a second board implementing the true isolation methodology for mounting


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What does this mean?
My personal board, the J-01 uses exactly this type of mounting as well. Build stream available on YouTube



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Cool stream. Was cool hearing about all the design decisions. Why do you prefer this method? I did a quick search but I didn't find much.

it sounds good but doesn't feel much better than any normal sandwich or top mount board

at least in my experience, i haven't used jae's board


Replying to all of you here.... so wall of text inbound.

It basically feels like a softer sandwich mount. The plate effectively is raised only be the nitrile rubber and penned in from above so it sits on a ďskirtĒ of the gasket around the entire edge of the plate. This means it has some ďgiveĒ - but is not what you see in terms of flex with other gasket materials.

The use of gaskets have two main aims and depending on the implementation you can bias it in one favour or the other, or create a balance (think front / rear break balancing on a car), with the two options being sound and flex.

This implementation is to heavily favour the sound element by removing any contact of the plate or pcb from the case. On top mount for example the plate can reverberate or vibrate from normal usage and have the sound transferred to the case. This can (but doesnít always) cause case ping. The idea behind the isolation here is to remove that entirely, and therefore allow sound to be tuned better, whilst adding a small amount of flexibility where the plate rests on the skirt.

In essence it feels like a softened sandwich mount so itís highly consistent across the board in terms of feel. Itís isolated from the case completely so all the sound you hear is the switch and plate and cap materials. Which then allow you to look at the sound itself.

The inside of the case then becomes a resonance chamber - like the internals of a guitar. You can change the internal shape of the case to change how the board sounds.

If you listen to the J-01 first proto, the sound is slightly higher pitched on the keys to the left and right due to the internal cut out of a chamber not expanding across the full 60% area. Itís tiny in terms of timbre change, but itís there. For rev2 of the proto, Iíve expanded that chamber across so all keys will have the same sound as the alphas do in the video (or be much closer).

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Re: [IC] Kepler (Update: prototype photos)
« Reply #61 on: Mon, 22 April 2019, 10:13:16 »
Second post updated with proto photos.

A few design changes were made after this prototype. Production units will resemble the images in the renders.


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Re: [IC] Kepler (Update: prototype photos)
« Reply #62 on: Mon, 22 April 2019, 10:16:40 »
Second post updated with proto photos.

A few design changes were made after this prototype. Production units will resemble the images in the renders.

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Re: [IC] Kepler (Update: prototype photos)
« Reply #63 on: Mon, 22 April 2019, 11:10:30 »
wow that's heavy. any shots of it from the side and sitting on a table?
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Re: [IC] Kepler (Update: prototype photos)
« Reply #64 on: Mon, 22 April 2019, 11:21:00 »
11 lbs woah

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Re: [IC] Kepler (Update: prototype photos)
« Reply #65 on: Mon, 22 April 2019, 14:41:06 »
11 lbs woah

lighter than brass keycult no 1
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Re: [IC] Kepler (Update: prototype photos)
« Reply #66 on: Mon, 22 April 2019, 14:41:35 »
proto photos further solidified that i don't like the bezels

but the design is ****ing sweet otherwise

seems... very expensive at it stands right now
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