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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #500 on: Mon, 08 July 2019, 14:17:29 »

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #501 on: Mon, 08 July 2019, 14:18:06 »
What kind of homing keys are you using, scooped or nippled?  I would assume scooped, but the kit pictures don't actually specify (I only ask because /dev/tty had both, so there's a choice of homing molds in MT3).

Scooped. There are no nippled MT3 molds and the renders don't show nipples, so scoop is implied.

Fortunately MT3 only has the superior homing system: scooped keycaps.

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #502 on: Mon, 08 July 2019, 14:33:30 »
Looking at the OP renders, it seems that the 1.75u stepped caps lock legend is still Caps↵Lock. Any chance of changing that to Caps like you said? I would prefer to have all one-line legends in this set.

Same goes for the 1.25u caps lock in the Forties kit.

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #503 on: Mon, 08 July 2019, 14:36:37 »
Looking at the OP renders, it seems that the 1.75u stepped caps lock legend is still Caps↵Lock. Any chance of changing that to Caps like you said? I would prefer to have all one-line legends in this set.

Same goes for the 1.25u caps lock in the Forties kit.

I wasn't convinced by "Caps".

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #504 on: Mon, 08 July 2019, 14:38:04 »
How is Caps less convincing than Lock for scroll lock?

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #505 on: Mon, 08 July 2019, 14:41:40 »
How is Caps less convincing than Lock for scroll lock?

I like lock, I don't like caps

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #506 on: Mon, 08 July 2019, 14:48:33 »
Well okay, designer's preference is fine, but I don't think you should sacrifice a uniform look across the set by having just the smaller caps lock legends be two-line, while everything else is one-line.

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #507 on: Mon, 08 July 2019, 15:36:29 »
What kind of homing keys are you using, scooped or nippled?  I would assume scooped, but the kit pictures don't actually specify (I only ask because /dev/tty had both, so there's a choice of homing molds in MT3).

Scooped. There are no nippled MT3 molds and the renders don't show nipples, so scoop is implied.

Fortunately MT3 only has the superior homing system: scooped keycaps.

I just took my MT3 /dev/tty round 2 set out of the box and double checked.  There are three F and three J keys.  One each regular, scooped, and nippled.  It's also shown in the base kit render that's still up on Massdrop:

https://drop.com/buy/massdrop-x-matt3o-devtty-custom-keycap-set

Thanks for confirming that they're scooped in MT3 Serika, but I'm confident that you're mistaken about the nonexistence of nippled MT3 molds, given that I've got a couple of nippled MT3 keys in hand.

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #508 on: Mon, 08 July 2019, 15:39:05 »
Well okay, designer's preference is fine, but I don't think you should sacrifice a uniform look across the set by having just the smaller caps lock legends be two-line, while everything else is one-line.
Well that nonuniform look will only happen if you are planning to use the step caps lock keycap. Other than that I don’t see any problems with this “one single” caps lock keycap being on two lines.




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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #509 on: Mon, 08 July 2019, 16:00:13 »
Well okay, designer's preference is fine, but I don't think you should sacrifice a uniform look across the set by having just the smaller caps lock legends be two-line, while everything else is one-line.
Well that nonuniform look will only happen if you are planning to use the step caps lock keycap. Other than that I don’t see any problems with this “one single” caps lock keycap being on two lines.




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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #510 on: Mon, 08 July 2019, 16:32:25 »
What kind of homing keys are you using, scooped or nippled?  I would assume scooped, but the kit pictures don't actually specify (I only ask because /dev/tty had both, so there's a choice of homing molds in MT3).

Scooped. There are no nippled MT3 molds and the renders don't show nipples, so scoop is implied.

Fortunately MT3 only has the superior homing system: scooped keycaps.

I just took my MT3 /dev/tty round 2 set out of the box and double checked.  There are three F and three J keys.  One each regular, scooped, and nippled.  It's also shown in the base kit render that's still up on Massdrop:

https://drop.com/buy/massdrop-x-matt3o-devtty-custom-keycap-set

Thanks for confirming that they're scooped in MT3 Serika, but I'm confident that you're mistaken about the nonexistence of nippled MT3 molds, given that I've got a couple of nippled MT3 keys in hand.

The files that Drop sent me didn't come with nippled keycaps... And I didn't have any intention to use them, but good to know.

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #511 on: Mon, 08 July 2019, 17:20:28 »
I'm a big fan of the generic text for the ergo kit but is there any chance of using a different letter than F for the ergodox left hand bottom row? It makes it look like those are function keys.

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #512 on: Mon, 08 July 2019, 18:32:59 »
All in for:
Katakana
Alphas
Modifiers
Extras Mods
Novelties
Super Homing
Arrows
F-Row
Mac

Frightened at what the total cost is going to come out to w/ shipping & sales tax. But also excited.

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #513 on: Mon, 08 July 2019, 21:12:53 »
Are there any convex keycaps in the Split Bars kit?

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #514 on: Tue, 09 July 2019, 02:53:04 »
Are there any convex keycaps in the Split Bars kit?

Unfortunately, no.

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #515 on: Tue, 09 July 2019, 11:21:50 »
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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #516 on: Tue, 09 July 2019, 11:38:31 »
Hi,

I don't know if it is too late, but I have a suggestion about the ortho kit based on this
https://drop.com/buy/drop-matt3o-mt3-dev-tty-keycap-set/talk/2432700?utm_source=linkshare&referer=F68W7U

Is it possible to user R5 flat to the bottom row? or at least have the space profile used in that 2U and 1U spaces? otherwise is very very uncomfortable to use.

Something like the MDA Ortho kit https://www.aliexpress.com/i/32934200359.html?spm=2114.12057483.0.0.153430f4ZCLg4D

Cheers,
Rodrigo

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #517 on: Tue, 09 July 2019, 11:45:50 »
Just saw the change to the ergo kit. Bummer, I was definitely excited for such a full ergo kit. I know you can't please everyone though.

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #518 on: Tue, 09 July 2019, 12:12:18 »
I feel like R4 bottom row is best for outer mods where you use your pinky, ring, & middle fingers to press them. The inner mods, like the Alt key on an ANSI-layout keeb or the space/layer keys on an ortho board, are all better as R5 because folks tend to use their thumbs for these. Conclusion: Hybrid R4/R5 bottom rows are the best way to make everyone happy.

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #519 on: Tue, 09 July 2019, 13:24:40 »
Are there any convex keycaps in the Split Bars kit?

Unfortunately, no.

In a comment below someone is requesting 1C and 2C keycaps in the Ergo kit, but it seems that MT3 tooling does not exist.  Please consider adding a “C” to all convex keycap labels in the kit pictures (for example “6.25C”).  This might reduce misunderstanding.

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #520 on: Tue, 09 July 2019, 13:56:15 »

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #521 on: Tue, 09 July 2019, 13:56:34 »
Hi,

I don't know if it is too late, but I have a suggestion about the ortho kit based on this
https://drop.com/buy/drop-matt3o-mt3-dev-tty-keycap-set/talk/2432700?utm_source=linkshare&referer=F68W7U

Is it possible to user R5 flat to the bottom row? or at least have the space profile used in that 2U and 1U spaces? otherwise is very very uncomfortable to use.

Something like the MDA Ortho kit https://www.aliexpress.com/i/32934200359.html?spm=2114.12057483.0.0.153430f4ZCLg4D

Cheers,
Rodrigo

Will think about it.

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #522 on: Tue, 09 July 2019, 14:26:45 »
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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #523 on: Tue, 09 July 2019, 14:35:12 »
Will there be any blue child kits?

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #524 on: Tue, 09 July 2019, 14:45:44 »
Will there be any blue child kits?

no

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #525 on: Tue, 09 July 2019, 22:09:01 »
Are there any convex keycaps in the Split Bars kit?

Unfortunately, no.

In a comment below someone is requesting 1C and 2C keycaps in the Ergo kit, but it seems that MT3 tooling does not exist.  Please consider adding a “C” to all convex keycap labels in the kit pictures (for example “6.25C”).  This might reduce misunderstanding.

convex 2u exists for MT3; I'm currently typing on it from the MT3 Godspeed kit.

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #526 on: Wed, 10 July 2019, 01:31:49 »
Are there any convex keycaps in the Split Bars kit?

Unfortunately, no.

In a comment below someone is requesting 1C and 2C keycaps in the Ergo kit, but it seems that MT3 tooling does not exist.  Please consider adding a “C” to all convex keycap labels in the kit pictures (for example “6.25C”).  This might reduce misunderstanding.

convex 2u exists for MT3; I'm currently typing on it from the MT3 Godspeed kit.
I wasn't informed about that by Drop and wasn't mentioned about this :(

Even when you check MT3 Godspeed's renders they have been using a regular 2.00 key


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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Important Update
« Reply #527 on: Wed, 10 July 2019, 02:14:35 »


MT3 Serika, not Serika MT3 [BRAND/PROFILE] then [NAME OF THE PRODUCT]. We don't say iPhone Apple or HD 6XX SENNHEISER.



Maybe you were just trolling, but it got me thinking...

It’s common and the accepted way to say GMK Serika, or SA Pulse... however ...
Given that this hobby and the marketplace around it has been evolving and maturing, what do designers like you consider the “product” ?

Are you bringing an MT3 set in the Serika colorway or the Serika colorway in the MT3 profile ?

If I were a designer, the fruit of my labor is the colorway and that’s the product being offered in potentially many configurations..
in this sense I would consider key cap profiles as “models” of a product (the colorway).sort of like saying
iPhone XR and iPhone SE.
Or

Zambumon’s Serika MT3 like
Apple iPhone XS

And just like the iPhone has accessories, so do colorways like the
Novelkeys  Serika deskmats like
Otterbox iPhone armour
Massdrop Laser Alt

Maybe colorways have grown up to precede the profile and go beyond just keysets ... Maybe I’m just drunk...

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Important Update
« Reply #528 on: Wed, 10 July 2019, 02:18:10 »
Maybe colorways have grown up to precede the profile and go beyond just keysets ... Maybe I’m just drunk...


No. They haven't.


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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #529 on: Wed, 10 July 2019, 03:14:19 »
If you could follow up with Drop about whether 2U spacebars can be convex, that would be great. As an owner of MT3 /dev/tty, I use a cheap XDA 2U spacebar because with the height and scooping, it is physically painful to use MT3 2U keys as a spacebar.

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #530 on: Wed, 10 July 2019, 06:19:35 »
If you could follow up with Drop about whether 2U spacebars can be convex, that would be great. As an owner of MT3 /dev/tty, I use a cheap XDA 2U spacebar because with the height and scooping, it is physically painful to use MT3 2U keys as a spacebar.

ok

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #531 on: Wed, 10 July 2019, 06:20:07 »
If you could follow up with Drop about whether 2U spacebars can be convex, that would be great. As an owner of MT3 /dev/tty, I use a cheap XDA 2U spacebar because with the height and scooping, it is physically painful to use MT3 2U keys as a spacebar.

ok

Cheers!  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #532 on: Wed, 10 July 2019, 06:21:41 »
If you could follow up with Drop about whether 2U spacebars can be convex, that would be great. As an owner of MT3 /dev/tty, I use a cheap XDA 2U spacebar because with the height and scooping, it is physically painful to use MT3 2U keys as a spacebar.

ok

Cheers!  :thumb:

I'll also ask about other split spacebars.

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #533 on: Wed, 10 July 2019, 10:54:40 »
If you could follow up with Drop about whether 2U spacebars can be convex, that would be great. As an owner of MT3 /dev/tty, I use a cheap XDA 2U spacebar because with the height and scooping, it is physically painful to use MT3 2U keys as a spacebar.

ok

Cheers!  :thumb:

I'll also ask about other split spacebars.
ErgoDox kit with convex bars would be revolutionary

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #534 on: Wed, 10 July 2019, 11:34:10 »
If you could follow up with Drop about whether 2U spacebars can be convex, that would be great. As an owner of MT3 /dev/tty, I use a cheap XDA 2U spacebar because with the height and scooping, it is physically painful to use MT3 2U keys as a spacebar.

ok

Cheers!  :thumb:

I'll also ask about other split spacebars.
ErgoDox kit with convex bars would be revolutionary

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Ergo kit won't have convex 2U. This is also the case for GMK sets.

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #535 on: Wed, 10 July 2019, 12:22:58 »
Would it be possible to move the arrows from novelties into the arrows kit? If not, that's okay but I would like to know the reasoning behind this move. I find it curious. Thanks!

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #536 on: Wed, 10 July 2019, 13:23:07 »
Are there any convex keycaps in the Split Bars kit?

Unfortunately, no.

In a comment below someone is requesting 1C and 2C keycaps in the Ergo kit, but it seems that MT3 tooling does not exist.  Please consider adding a “C” to all convex keycap labels in the kit pictures (for example “6.25C”).  This might reduce misunderstanding.

convex 2u exists for MT3; I'm currently typing on it from the MT3 Godspeed kit.
I wasn't informed about that by Drop and wasn't mentioned about this :(

Even when you check MT3 Godspeed's renders they have been using a regular 2.00 key

Show Image


I bought the split spacebars kit and the 2u spacebars kit; 2u were all convex, the rest were all concave. The renders for both kits show concave, so it was a surprise to me as well.



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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #537 on: Wed, 10 July 2019, 14:35:55 »
Would it be possible to move the arrows from novelties into the arrows kit?

Edit: question was regarding the text arrows. Not the icon ones.

Arrow kit will be for the icon-only.
« Last Edit: Wed, 10 July 2019, 15:03:28 by Zambumon »

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #538 on: Wed, 10 July 2019, 14:37:38 »
Are there any convex keycaps in the Split Bars kit?

Unfortunately, no.

In a comment below someone is requesting 1C and 2C keycaps in the Ergo kit, but it seems that MT3 tooling does not exist.  Please consider adding a “C” to all convex keycap labels in the kit pictures (for example “6.25C”).  This might reduce misunderstanding.

convex 2u exists for MT3; I'm currently typing on it from the MT3 Godspeed kit.
I wasn't informed about that by Drop and wasn't mentioned about this :(

Even when you check MT3 Godspeed's renders they have been using a regular 2.00 key

Show Image


I bought the split spacebars kit and the 2u spacebars kit; 2u were all convex, the rest were all concave. The renders for both kits show concave, so it was a surprise to me as well.

Show Image


Thanks for the pic!

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #539 on: Wed, 10 July 2019, 16:16:23 »
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Are there any convex keycaps in the Split Bars kit?

Unfortunately, no.

In a comment below someone is requesting 1C and 2C keycaps in the Ergo kit, but it seems that MT3 tooling does not exist.  Please consider adding a “C” to all convex keycap labels in the kit pictures (for example “6.25C”).  This might reduce misunderstanding.

convex 2u exists for MT3; I'm currently typing on it from the MT3 Godspeed kit.
I wasn't informed about that by Drop and wasn't mentioned about this :(

Even when you check MT3 Godspeed's renders they have been using a regular 2.00 key

Show Image


I bought the split spacebars kit and the 2u spacebars kit; 2u were all convex, the rest were all concave. The renders for both kits show concave, so it was a surprise to me as well.

Show Image


This is one reason to label all convex keycaps in the kit renders.

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #540 on: Fri, 12 July 2019, 18:03:48 »
A new round of samples is in the works. Small tweaks here and there.

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #541 on: Mon, 15 July 2019, 04:43:36 »
MT3 SERIKA: FINAL KITS
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@Zambumon, been drooling over these renders for a while now but just spotted...
that the UK ISO kit doesn't have the R1 2 and 3 keys with the Katakana legends???
                                          
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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #542 on: Mon, 15 July 2019, 05:24:31 »
MT3 SERIKA: FINAL KITS
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@Zambumon, been drooling over these renders for a while now but just spotted...
that the UK ISO kit doesn't have the R1 2 and 3 keys with the Katakana legends???

No, and I would have to add an off-center `¬, R1 2"フフ, 3£アァ, as well as R3 '@ケロ, and off center #~ to fully cover the UK layout.

I did consider adding them, but there were a bunch of factors (mainly kit size) that made me think about it and this is why I ended up just including 2 extra keys.

One of my priorities for the ISO UK kit was to make it as small as possible (with the requirement of including the accent `¬, and accent enter key), and initially I thought about not even including Katakana support, which is something that has happened before with some GMK sets. Since I wanted to have a minimal impact, I opted just to include the two backslash keys, since they would provide with some basic ISO support.

Anyways, I'm open for discussion on this topic, and I'd like to know what you guys think about it. The current kit could be around the $12 or $15, and with the new additions it could be around $20 or $24, and while the price differencial might not seem so much, it could be a dealbreaker for some people.

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #543 on: Mon, 15 July 2019, 05:41:57 »
MT3 SERIKA: FINAL KITS
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@Zambumon, been drooling over these renders for a while now but just spotted...
that the UK ISO kit doesn't have the R1 2 and 3 keys with the Katakana legends???

No, and I would have to add an off-center `¬, R1 2"フフ, 3£アァ, as well as R3 '@ケロ, and off center #~ to fully cover the UK layout.

I did consider adding them, but there were a bunch of factors (mainly kit size) that made me think about it and this is why I ended up just including 2 extra keys.

One of my priorities for the ISO UK kit was to make it as small as possible (with the requirement of including the accent `¬, and accent enter key), and initially I thought about not even including Katakana support, which is something that has happened before with some GMK sets. Since I wanted to have a minimal impact, I opted just to include the two backslash keys, since they would provide with some basic ISO support.

Anyways, I'm open for discussion on this topic, and I'd like to know what you guys think about it. The current kit could be around the $12 or $15, and with the new additions it could be around $20 or $24, and while the price differencial might not seem so much, it could be a dealbreaker for some people.
Personally I'd never use the katakana keys, but having them added wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me as an ISO UK user.
The kit being cheaper is nice, but I don't mind paying a little more to support others.

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #544 on: Mon, 15 July 2019, 07:02:09 »
Same situation here, i wouldnt mind either way, i'll get the ISO UK kit in any case.

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #545 on: Mon, 15 July 2019, 08:21:39 »
It is good to have the UK support.  I also don't mind paying a little more for the full set of UK keys but that said I am ok with either decision.
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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #546 on: Mon, 15 July 2019, 09:45:42 »
The Ergo kit looks great but I'm confused about why the bottom row legends are F1-F5 and M1-M5.  Are they not sequential (like X1-X10) just to differentiate between the two sides without using blanks?

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #547 on: Mon, 15 July 2019, 14:57:25 »
Any possibility of including a control key to replace caps lock in the main modifiers kit?
All other mt3 kits have done it this way. The mod kit even includes hhkb backspace key and split right shift, but still lacking that caps lock replacement...

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #548 on: Tue, 16 July 2019, 03:08:48 »
Any possibility of including a control key to replace caps lock in the main modifiers kit?
All other mt3 kits have done it this way. The mod kit even includes hhkb backspace key and split right shift, but still lacking that caps lock replacement...

That key is on the extension kit alongside the 1.75U function key and the 1.5U system keys.

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Re: [IC] MT3 Serika | Launching In August On Drop
« Reply #549 on: Tue, 16 July 2019, 03:11:07 »
The Ergo kit looks great but I'm confused about why the bottom row legends are F1-F5 and M1-M5.  Are they not sequential (like X1-X10) just to differentiate between the two sides without using blanks?

Yes, I didn't want to use the same letters for both left and right.