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Offline typo

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Of course a mouse is usually much more precise, easier to use and often offers many more features" onboard. A track ball as you know is much less precise, difficult to use and often requires a "learning curve" to become used to it. However A mouse can cause pain and ultimately permanent serious injury to those that use them for long periods. A track ball will generally do no such thing. Which is IMO the main, and only attraction of a track ball. I was wondering which is over all preferred among those of you that frequent this forum? If you do prefer a track ball do you manage to obtain mouse like precision form it? If so, how? I have probably the most precise one here right now but it is no G502 HERO. The Track bal of mine is not a Logitech either. It is a "JDM" Elecom Thumb G-Pro model. I would have liked to make this a poll but I am not aware of how to do so on this forum. If I still can after posting, would someone please let me know how to do so? Thank you

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« Reply #1 on: Sun, 13 October 2019, 14:31:23 »
The only time I've used a trackball was when a colleague had computer problems so I had to use theirs.  It probably wasn't a good one and without practice my accuracy was really bad...

Being as my last couple of mice have not impressed me and I no longer game so don't need accuracy immediately my next 'mouse' will probably be a trackball unless there's a really good 'other' I don't know about yet.
                               
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« Reply #2 on: Sun, 13 October 2019, 14:38:39 »
Picked up the Logitech MX Ergo this week, and after a bit of learning I like it much more than any mouse I've used. I currently own a MX Master 2S, and a Steel Series Rival 650 Wireless. I'll still use the Rival for games, and the 2S will probably be my daily driver at home only because of the hassle of transport of the trackball between home/work and not wanting to buy a second one so quick.

The Ergo I picked up was a "Plus" because that's all Best Buy had in stock - wanted to grab one over lunch break instead of wait for shipping - and it came with an extra wedge for an extra high angle. I like it more than the built-in tilt, so I'm glad I got that one. It also has a precision button on the side to de-sensitize the tracking when needed, but I haven't needed it yet.

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« Reply #3 on: Sun, 13 October 2019, 16:19:04 »
Thank you Orange! I do not like to say he first word in your name, no offense LOL!
jake, I have that one. Wow, you really like a lot of "tenting". That is very high! You must have big hands? Yeah, you look much taller than me if that is you. The whole reason I started this is because I do find them absolutely superior. For one reason. They cause no pain! 14+ hours a day coding with a mouse after so many years is a real pain. If you know what I mean. My issue is I simply do not find them to be as precise a mouse. I even have a much higher end one hen you do. It might just be my own fine motor abilities. I mean I was never great as a kid building models or anything "delicate". It might just be me after all. I did not even think of that at first, Duh. I figured it was a "global" issue with them. Also my registry is set at 26,000 DPI. Even though it is across a lot of screen "real estate" it is still 26,000 DPI. I have applied heavy braking and acceleration to offset that though. Still, if it is myself it is not a good combination to be certain. I might try slowing it down some.

Now, like me if you like the MX Ergo. You may want to check out the Japanese Elecom G-Pro Heiss Edition Thumb ball. Street price in Japan is about $325USD. However I found a brand new one in the USA for $69! Watch Amazon and Ebay. If you really want one I will get you the part number. However I must warn you, it is nearly "flat" compared to what you have there now. It has very little "tenting", It is just right for my small hands however. I did not even have the MX Ergo "tilted", let alone the "boot" on it. It is a considerably better Thumb ball though if you are interested in one for home or whatever.

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« Reply #4 on: Mon, 14 October 2019, 03:30:20 »
A trackball by itself is not going to stop the issue, ANY repetitive motion causes issues, not just in your wrist.

Also, beware the thumb style trackballs, those KILL my hand. Not sure if it's RSI or arthritis or both but yeah, not fun for me. I also can't do trigger shifters on mountain bikes.
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« Reply #5 on: Mon, 14 October 2019, 10:14:49 »
Some people cannot do the thumb indeed. Some, not the palm. Everyone is different. Those that have no medical degree and state that the thumb causes RSI have made claims on an unfounded basis IMO. Mice have indeed injured me multiple times. Never the thumb. I would imagine big companies such as Logitech have researched this as well. The last thing they want are lawsuits! I personally find the thumb to work best for me. I might have added full disclosure to this though. I have a "tremor" which, for me personally makes it more difficult to control at very high DPI. I imagine for a lot of people this is not a point. Especially on one of the grade that I now posses. I really did not have any issue until I hit this absurd DPI. Of course I did not previously have this much "screen" to cover either. I tried slowing it down some to a better balance for me and it did in fact make a world of difference. So, already my "poll" sort of has no purpose to begin with. They are in fact probably as accurate for many people. My bad :)

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« Reply #6 on: Mon, 14 October 2019, 13:04:27 »
As to trackballs being much less precise: I have a DT225 and more than one Itac trackballs. These devices are as precise as any mouse I've used.

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« Reply #7 on: Mon, 14 October 2019, 18:58:37 »
Those that have no medical degree and state that the thumb causes RSI have made claims on an unfounded basis IMO. Mice have indeed injured me multiple times. Never the thumb.

The thumb is now actually considered a common one now thanks to smart phones.
Also, your sample size is too small.
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« Reply #8 on: Mon, 14 October 2019, 19:53:54 »
Perhaps. I am just saying I have been using them thousands of hours and not even close to an injury. YMMV. I use a mouse one work day and am sore. Slowing it down some was key.

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« Reply #9 on: Thu, 17 October 2019, 18:34:08 »
Still no votes for 'other', was hoping someone was going to post something interesting they use...
                               
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« Reply #10 on: Thu, 17 October 2019, 19:30:33 »
I would like to see the poll results please if there any? I was not aware that it was going to be made private. As for myself, this was actually a pointless posting after all. The high end Thumb ball is in fact 'more' precise than the best gaming mice IMO. I simply had he registry settings way too aggressive on it. Now that I backed off. I can fly onto, and park on any single pixel of my choosing. With pinpoint accuracy  I overstepped myself by posting this. Not realizing that the issue was simply my own. Plus, I caused it for myself. I am absolutely, once again 100% satisfied with the high end Thumb ball! I will probably never use a mouse again. Many people that have switched make this comment. Most of them are, are  not using a Trackball/ Thumb ball/ half the quality of this one to begin with. So obviously I was simply mistaken here. Anyone that says they are not as accurate has either not mastered them or does not have them set right. Or it simply is just not the right type of pointing device for them to begin with. Either way, in and of themselves they are as accurate, if not more so than the current top gaming mice IMO. So that is the end of that story. Mod can close the poll if you wish. Thank you

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« Reply #11 on: Thu, 17 October 2019, 19:42:53 »
Private just means no-one knows who voted for what, to see the 'results' you need to vote (or they'll appear for everyone if I close it)  While you might not care any more I think it's interesting - I would never have guessed the current split even if the sample size is very small.  Will be even more surprising if you vote the way I think you will :))
                               
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« Reply #12 on: Fri, 18 October 2019, 03:24:09 »
I would like to see the poll results please if there any? I was not aware that it was going to be made private. As for myself, this was actually a pointless posting after all. The high end Thumb ball is in fact 'more' precise than the best gaming mice IMO. I simply had he registry settings way too aggressive on it. Now that I backed off. I can fly onto, and park on any single pixel of my choosing. With pinpoint accuracy  I overstepped myself by posting this. Not realizing that the issue was simply my own. Plus, I caused it for myself. I am absolutely, once again 100% satisfied with the high end Thumb ball! I will probably never use a mouse again. Many people that have switched make this comment. Most of them are, are  not using a Trackball/ Thumb ball/ half the quality of this one to begin with. So obviously I was simply mistaken here. Anyone that says they are not as accurate has either not mastered them or does not have them set right. Or it simply is just not the right type of pointing device for them to begin with. Either way, in and of themselves they are as accurate, if not more so than the current top gaming mice IMO. So that is the end of that story. Mod can close the poll if you wish. Thank you

I'm not sure what you mean by accuracy..but for general quick movements with accuracy, a mouse is better..in practice, it is absolutely better....

You can use a trackball for gaming...which is probably the test for quick accurate movements..but it isn't common...and I can't think of any pros that use them..

But for regular computer use..sure, use whatever works best for you...

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« Reply #13 on: Fri, 18 October 2019, 06:29:51 »
With the correct tool, I beg to differ. However now that tool is already on the "fritz". See my latest post if you wish.

Okay, cool Orange! Thank you!

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« Reply #14 on: Fri, 18 October 2019, 06:46:05 »
The timing of this thread is apt for me. I got sharp pain my right shoulder the other day, and couldn't use my right-handed semi-vertical mouse. I didn't have any good lefty or ambidextrous mouse, so I brought up an old ambidextrous Logitech Trackman from the mouse box and started using it with my left hand.
The precision is pretty bad, but I think maybe the bearings just need cleaning and lube or something.
Curious enough, I do think that I am more precise with the left-handed trackball than I would be with a left-handed mouse.
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« Reply #15 on: Fri, 18 October 2019, 13:30:52 »
I'm not sure what you mean by accuracy..but for general quick movements with accuracy, a mouse is better..in practice, it is absolutely better....

Your idea of accuracy is probably what most people's is, which is several to several dozen or even hundred pixels, which works fine for most computing and gaming. You need quick movements not super precise movements.

Once you start doing per pixel accuracy stuff that is when a trackball really comes into it's own, CAD, per pixel photo editing, audio/video tracks, etc.... It's generally slower but much more precise, especially if you need to move and hold something with that sort of precision. On the other hand, sorry, but thinking you can play something like CS with a trackball, I'd love to see someone actually try. While you might do okay, there's almost no chance of beating a mouse at the same skill levels. The opposite applies to pens, they are usually less precise than even a mouse, however they operate at an even faster level.

Does everyone use them for these purposes, no, but this is how they tend to typically work best.
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« Reply #16 on: Fri, 18 October 2019, 14:06:48 »
While you might not care any more I think it's interesting -

I expect I am taking the minority view, but what I found interesting about the poll was that there was no option for, "Whichever I think will work best at the time."

GHers appear to change their keyboards to suit their mood.  I am baffled as to why this same sort of restlessness would not apply to their use of mice and trackballs as well.


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« Reply #17 on: Fri, 18 October 2019, 15:43:51 »
I expect I am taking the minority view, but what I found interesting about the poll was that there was no option for, "Whichever I think will work best at the time."
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« Reply #18 on: Sat, 19 October 2019, 11:49:30 »
Actually the very high end "JDM" only, thumb ball that I have now obtained can fly across the screen and park exactly on any single predetermined pixel with ease. although i have been using these on and off for many years. However the MX Ergo for instance can do no such thing. most of them cannot. I specifically picked this one for coding,CAD and photo-shop editing. it is perfect for those tasks. i do agree it would be awkward to play an FPS with it however. just unusual, not that it was not up to the task in a pinch. Also, "street" pricing on this in Tokyo is about $350USD in Yen equivalent. So, I imagine it is aimed to be something completely different than the Logitech type of stuff. I had a friend send it from Tokyo. You cannot get it here. The packaging, manual ETC. not one word other than Japanese. Of course it was pretty straight forward to figure out. The only discrepancy i find is one place it says switches 10 million and another 100 million in my limited Japanese. Omron is indeed 10 million, which is often short lived per Logitech issuing replacements. I also personally have found the least worry of RSI to be on the right thumb of mine. YMMV on that of course. Mice are giving me pain half way through one work day. Never a hint of anything with a stationary thumb ball with adequate tenting on it. This one from Elecom is obviously my "end game" at this point. Along with my Topre I have made so well known by now ) It actually feels good, that at my age this journey is over. I had simply misguided myself with improper registry hacks when I posted this thread. The thing is actually vastly superior to any mouse device to me in multiple ways now.

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« Reply #19 on: Mon, 21 October 2019, 06:39:01 »
After fine tuning the registry more, this thing is pixel perfect. Way above any mouse. That is coming from someone with a severe tremor to boot! Not looking back. It must be on a USB cable. No good on the battery. Makes no difference to me so long as I use a good USB  cable. Which I have.

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« Reply #20 on: Mon, 21 October 2019, 13:06:55 »
Personally I was using MX Master but month ago I bought a ‘broken’ (and dirty cheap) MX Ergo (it had dirt blocking the sensor so fix was trivial, lucky me) since then traditional rat is in a drawer.
I play World of Tanks/Warships with thumb trackball and I really enjoy it. Though I mostly use keyboard (Colemak-DH) for everything so the rat choice is not critical.
In summary after those weeks I will not go back to the traditional mouse. (I also really enjoy that mouse stays in the same place like my keyboard—that feels zen to me ;).

PS I also designed the boiler room in Blender using that thumb trackball. It was also a surprisingly pleasant experience.
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« Reply #21 on: Tue, 22 October 2019, 00:49:10 »
It seems as if that is the usual story. Once most people try a trackball, or especially a Thumb ball they do not wish to see a mouse again. Yet, I am surprised here of all places mouse is winning this early in the game. I figured most self proclaimed "geeks" use a trackball. What do I know about our demographic? I will tell you that once you step out of a consumer Thumb ball into a high precision one there is again a world of difference to be had. The issues are it is very difficult to obtain outside of Japan and also ordinarily cost prohibitive. Luckily I was able to defeat both of those issues on one given day. Now, I too shall never look back. Between my keyboard I have promised to shut up about and this trackball I have found my end game grail once and for all. Feels so good, if I must say so myself! Not only no pain, kind of like a massage! I am using an original Imak wrist rest with it. Avoid the new Imak IMO. If you prefer a "bean bag" all that is any good anymore is the Allsop. It works best with track/thumb balls due to it's width over other mouse wrist rests. Off of your arm support, your wrist really needs to be at about the height of the tenting on the trackball. Which is usually much more than a mouse. Anyways, the comparison of the top Elecom to the MX Ergo here, there is no comparison! The all Japanese manual was of particular interest. I would not run this thing on battery though. Ran into major issues. Corded with good Xcentz cord it tracks flawlessly. Does not need to be cleaned often in a dirty environment. MX Ergo required constant cleaning here. Well, I shall see how this progresses. You folks are letting me down out of the gate  :) 

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« Reply #22 on: Tue, 22 October 2019, 00:56:28 »
I've brought up the use of graphics tablet styli in topics about alternative input devices and ergonomics but presumably so few here use them that I haven't seen replies about it.

Has anyone who enjoys the use of trackballs used a graphics tablet stylus as an input device, using its 'mouse mode' (that is, in regular cursor behavior mode rather than being mapped to the screen position)? I'm curious about thoughts about their ergonomics from those more familiar with trackballs.

As I find them particularly ergonomic since they can be held in any position in the hand and also allow for precise control.

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« Reply #23 on: Tue, 22 October 2019, 03:26:27 »
It seems as if that is the usual story. Once most people try a trackball, or especially a Thumb ball they do not wish to see a mouse again. Yet, I am surprised here of all places mouse is winning this early in the game. I figured most self proclaimed "geeks" use a trackball. What do I know about our demographic?

It isn't that people haven't tried a trackball....it is that for all around use, it isn't great....The only reason you think other people would think the same as you is because most people think that if they think something, then of course a majority of people would agree...There is a reason mice are far more popular....

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« Reply #24 on: Tue, 22 October 2019, 03:37:56 »
Anecdotal:

At work, my mechanical design folks unanimously chose to acquire and use these:
https://www.3dconnexion.com/products/spacemouse.html

Almost everyone else I know uses some kind of mouse, even after having tried trackballs.  Only one guy at work uses a trackball.  I tried various trackballs for weeks at a time... and they were suboptimal in my (admittedly limited) experience.  Mice seem more precise, more comfortable and faster to me than trackballs.  Trackballs seemed to exacerbate discomfort for me.  Everyone is different, so YMMV. 

When I think I might have an RSI flare-up due to mouse use, I move the mouse to the other side.  I am an ambidextrous mouser.  Taking a guess, I might give up perhaps 10% speed and precision using the mouse with my non-dominant hand. 
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« Reply #25 on: Tue, 22 October 2019, 16:01:47 »
That spacemouse looks awesome....


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« Reply #26 on: Tue, 22 October 2019, 23:09:04 »
A LOT of people have tried them.

Trackballs pre-date mice by about 30 years, it's not that people haven't used them, it's that those who did found mice to be more intuitive.
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« Reply #27 on: Wed, 23 October 2019, 18:58:31 »
A LOT of people have tried them.

Trackballs pre-date mice by about 30 years, it's not that people haven't used them, it's that those who did found mice to be more intuitive.

Exactly...You actually saw a lot more trackballs a long time ago..You even had them on some laptops...but ultimately more people just preferred mice..

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« Reply #28 on: Wed, 23 October 2019, 22:35:34 »
The Wacom MobileStudio Pro and SpaceMouse Enterprise are both outstanding viable options as well. They have a steep learning curve. not so much in their hardware functionality but due to all the "features" they have. I personally find just 10 assignable buttons like a top grade mouse more to my liking personally. Unless I needed to see my screen, and outside of photo editing I am not sure why the SpaceMouse is a better "deal" IMO. It is more accurate, precise and has more of the "features" coders could assign. The Wacom tablets are really for photo editing. The spacemouse mostly for CAD drawings but works nicely for coders as well.

I simply prefer what I have. Assuming one is going into It with a strong mastery of such devices. Something such as the one(I was just using) id vastly superior to a mainstream device like the MX Ergo or 518. YMMV, but I find thumb to be the ultimate answer to RSI. Others strongly disagree. so be it. I do not curl my thumb. I leave it fully elongated and just roll in the center. Once I had managed the settings, my own post here had become of no use to me. This, is me and I am a hard core Geek to the bone. for the masses, I agree=mouse. Keep in mind, that my device has a street price of about $350USD in Tokyo as well. so, it too is not a "normal" track/thumb ball either. I am just pointing out that it is a niche market product in fact more along the lines other two just mentioned.Being much more precise than the consumer models is what is key to me. It will take a lot of registry tuning on a PC, which obviously is not for the meek or unversed.

Now, I just got slapped in the face with why I am doing this in the first place! I just killed the $$$$$$ machine that the new Elecom was connected to! Went across the hall to a machine with cherry blues and a G5 rodent. running win10Pro. Instant RSI! After 15 minutes in agony1 sucks. Plus the keyboard compared to a Topre, no thank you! I did learn two interesting things however! The elecom I have here is much more precise than a mouse. second, I am having keys fail to register on cherry blues. so it is not something wrong with my Topre after all. It is indeed my very lite touch typing style.

Anyways, the point is useless. I have what works best for me. there is no reason to second guess it as I am not gaming with it. I do not need to find a higher performance "edge" on competitors in this case. It suits it's need absolutely fine for me 100%. Interesting to see what others select but I think we have a pretty good sample size of that already. mouse it indeed best for most people. 14 hours a day coding for 30+ years requires ergonomics at some point. embody chairs, Sit/stand desks, Track balls of course :) , wrist rests, VESA mounts with full articulation and the list goes on. Other co-workers say my office is "eerie" I am the CEO, so that works out well at least!

I am not risking my health at my age. Ergonomic/office injuries are in fact often serious injuries. This is not simply put, a joking matter. I would not be one to take such lightly at any age. Although safety of all manner has been of great concern to me since I was about 8 years old! I was one of the first people ever in the 50's to wear Ear plugs at a "musical". Before they even had concerts. Plus then the SPL was 1/12 what it is today at a rock concert! I know that last part is OT. I am pointing out that ergonomics plays a large role in my life and is not simply relegated to the workplace for me. It never has been in my case. The thumb ball I was just using checks every box 100% for me, albeit with extensive registry modifications to windows 10 pro. As luck would have it I needed to us a mouse a few hours tonight and instant pain. Not only are they not as accurate for me, they are "dangerous". YMMV. Obviously, since most people are going to end up using a mouse.

As for my Elecom "JDM" thumb Ball I am now 100% satisfied with the proper registry settings to suit my needs. whatever may become of this thread is what it is. I do not check here often. so please take that into consideration if you happen to PM me or whatever. I do apologize in retrospect that I started this apparently for no reason pertaining to myself, although I think it was at least of interest to others. A Trackball is not intuitive like a mouse. you cannot simply pick it up and go. there is a learning curve. in today's age of "want it now" perhaps that is just another reason mice still reign supreme. I figured what the outcome would be. however All that matters to me is me. I settled the issue for myself, simply put by obtaining the finest Thumb ball currently made. It did the job for me. As of now, hand completely dead 1/2 hour on rodent. OH, Please do not PM me if you expect a response, I do not come here often. after I have seen the results of this, perhaps I will check in next year.....thank you!

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Re: Do you value your health or productivity more? >Track ball's Vs. Mice!
« Reply #29 on: Thu, 24 October 2019, 01:31:16 »
...so I brought up an old ambidextrous Logitech Trackman from the mouse box and started using it with my left hand.

Is this (Logitech T-BB14):



...the model?


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Re: Do you value your health or productivity more? >Track ball's Vs. Mice!
« Reply #30 on: Mon, 28 October 2019, 08:22:25 »
I have switched full-time to trackballs.  At home I'm using a Kensington Expert and LOVE it.  No more cramping and using it takes up less desk space.  My work one is an old Ergo.  It is the only one approved for our network.  It's not optimal, but it is still better than any mouse I've ever used. 

As for accuracy, I've never found either of them wanting, once they are properly set up and settings set.

I agree that the Ergos need to be cleaned regularly but they are easy to clean.




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Re: Do you value your health or productivity more? >Track ball's Vs. Mice!
« Reply #31 on: Mon, 28 October 2019, 09:47:05 »
...so I brought up an old ambidextrous Logitech Trackman from the mouse box and started using it with my left hand.

Is this (Logitech T-BB14):

...the model?
Yes, but with PS/2 even. I have healed sufficiently enough and went back to mouse yesterday.
My problem was in the arm, not in the wrist, and I had been holding the arm in static position too far to the right which isn't good.

One advantage mentioned for trackballs is that you would be able to rest your wrist and only move your fingers around. Actually, with my WowPen mouse, that is what I usually do: rest the wrist on the desk (pad) and move the mouse around: extend and contract the fingers to move up/down, and turn the wrist to move left/right.
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Re: Do you value your health or productivity more? >Track ball's Vs. Mice!
« Reply #32 on: Tue, 29 October 2019, 23:13:44 »
I realized older. smaller mice such as the "g5" are okay with me. I am still moving them. a recipe for disaster. I did like the MX Ergo much better than the MX-518. the Ergo still had many drawbacks. Enter the $350(Street price, Tokyo) Elecom limited edition thumb ball, sent to me from Japan less than $70USD is darn near perfect to me. As many have said on this subject, I shall not be looking back. It is not only faster than any mouse but also much more precise as well. see my "bad" in this post? something is looking to hurt much more than my wrist at the moment! Not leaving this chair! Voodu!

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Re: Do you value your health or productivity more? >Track ball's Vs. Mice!
« Reply #33 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 07:46:19 »
Mouse good , trackpad bad!!!


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« Reply #34 on: Tue, 26 November 2019, 14:27:43 »
If your hand/thumb/wrist/shoulder hurts after using a mouse, have you ever considered just switching it to the other side and using your other hand? It's not that hard to learn and will give your main hand time to recover.

Having said all that, best way to avoid a mouse is to learn your shortcuts. I don't use a mouse or trackpad much at all.

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Re: Do you value your health or productivity more? >Track ball's Vs. Mice!
« Reply #35 on: Wed, 27 November 2019, 12:08:27 »
If your hand/thumb/wrist/shoulder hurts after using a mouse, have you ever considered just switching it to the other side and using your other hand? It's not that hard to learn and will give your main hand time to recover.

Having said all that, best way to avoid a mouse is to learn your shortcuts. I don't use a mouse or trackpad much at all.

My hand never hurts when using a mouse, but always hurts when using a pencil. Exactly why i got into typing and clicking in the first place.

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« Reply #36 on: Wed, 27 November 2019, 12:08:58 »
...so I brought up an old ambidextrous Logitech Trackman from the mouse box and started using it with my left hand.

Is this (Logitech T-BB14):

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...the model?

I thought the trackman was half mouse, half trackball. Is that how you are supposed to use it?

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If your hand/thumb/wrist/shoulder hurts after using a mouse, have you ever considered just switching it to the other side and using your other hand? It's not that hard to learn and will give your main hand time to recover.

Having said all that, best way to avoid a mouse is to learn your shortcuts. I don't use a mouse or trackpad much at all.

This is what I did about 15 years ago when I had some severe RSI issues. I’ve never had any problems since. I mostly use my left hand now, but switch to the right sometimes when leaning forward (keeping the mouse on the left).

I tried trackballs but they didn’t help with the pain. Which was shame because I think they’re pretty cool. I think the key was to use my mouse in as many different weird positions as possible to avoid repetitive motions and staying on the same position too long.

I can’t game with a mouse really (as that involves being in the same position for too long). Actually the only device I found I could game with was a cheap handheld thumb trackball from amazon. I bought a couple but they kept breaking. The fact that it was handheld meant that I could rest my hand in any orientation and keep mousing - so no pain. The desk-based trackballs don’t have that advantage.

 I never have issues with my thumbs, so I tend to just play console games. If I could find a better handheld thumb trackball I’d like to try it though. There was someone selling modded 360 controllers with a thumb ball in place of the right stick. They were expensive but it would probably work well for me. Maybe a Steam controller too. I don’t tend to play FPS anyway so it’s not a huge issue. Only Doom mostly.
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« Reply #38 on: Thu, 04 June 2020, 01:50:10 »
I forgot about this thread. A while back I was able to procure a JDM Elecom Thumb ball top model. It puts Logi to shame. I have used it exclusively since. I had to hack the registry to 32,000 DPI across 3x 32" 4K displays. No pain whatsoever. It is like a natural extension of my wrist. I love this thing. The problem is most people can't get one. I had a friend in Japan send it to me.