Author Topic: Under $100 mechanical keyboard for gaming and typing, possible? (Read 59565 times)

washuai · « **Reply #150 on:** Sat, 03 July 2010, 21:19:25 »

Quote from: gr1m;199161

I can't stand V guitars. Playing them is so awkward and I could never get used to the "stick one horn between your legs" position. B.C. Rich guitars have dumb shapes but I love the headstocks. I also have a deep dislike for the Dean Dimebag guitars: the Duncan pickup they put in them is not the pickup Dimebag used, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. They're milking his name to sell mediocre, overpriced guitars. The only guitars I would ever buy myself are Ibanez Prestiges or Japanese ESPs. Since I already have an el-cheapo, the next step is a not-so-cheapo.

Obviously, owning a warlock, I don't have weird shape or horn between leg issues, but the following is a lot easier to do with a V, than a Warlock in terms of positioning, weight, balance, etc.:

The Duncan pickup is the least of my issues, since they're easy enough to switch. Though I agree about other issues combined with mediocre/overpriced guitars.

The F style ESP is my favorite ESP.

Really, if you really want a guitar, you want a custom guitar from a master craftsman, even if we're talking the "brand" guitars. Not different from knives in that sense.

gr1m · « **Reply #151 on:** Sat, 03 July 2010, 21:26:32 »

Yeah but I don't need an $8000 guitar. Whenever I think of buying a new guitar, I pick my current one up and focus so much on playing that I forget all thought (and so I still haven't felt the need to cough up). Some day I'll deem myself worthy enough to deserve a new guitar. I don't like it when people that can't play for **** buy really expensive guitars.

If you sound good on ****ty gear, you'll sound great on good gear.
If you sound ****ty on ****ty gear, you'll always sound ****ty.

gr1m · « **Reply #152 on:** Sat, 03 July 2010, 21:29:09 »

Also, I would forgive Dean if the Duncan they used was cheaper than Dimebag's preferred pickup, but Dimebag used Bill Lawrences that are cheaper than the Dimebag Duncans. **** Dean.

washuai · « **Reply #153 on:** Sat, 03 July 2010, 21:55:21 »

I agree that a learner doesn't need a professional guitar, but if they can afford one and actually hear and feel the difference, I don't mind them buying what would be better off in the hands of a professional.
Same with photographers - if your photos suck with a cheap camera, they'll suck with a good one.

If we're talking violins, that's different. Beginners and even experts can completely **** up a violin depending on what genre of music they play on it.

Yea, that is one great thing about guitar - you've a lot to work with and endless hours of entertainment, even in the inferior products. I've never been able to pull out my guitar for "just 15 minutes" of practice.

Don't need to be an expert typist to benefit from a good keyboard, though. Although, how often you use a keyboard does correlate to returns on those benefits.

Brodie337 · « **Reply #154 on:** Sun, 04 July 2010, 00:00:10 »

Quote from: washuai

The F style ESP is my favorite ESP.

The F series basses are hotter:

It really is a pity they don't do them in a 6 string (bass, that is).

aegrotatio · « **Reply #155 on:** Sun, 04 July 2010, 00:05:31 »

Sigh.

Computer keyboards, people, not guitars.

Sigh and double-sigh.

Sigh.

Brodie337 · « **Reply #156 on:** Sun, 04 July 2010, 00:13:08 »

Quote from: aegrotatio;199241

Sigh.

Computer keyboards, people, not guitars.

Sigh and double-sigh.

Sigh.

This wouldn't be GeekHack if the thread stayed on topic.

On that note... Here's my baby, a Warwick Corvette $$:

gr1m · « **Reply #157 on:** Sun, 04 July 2010, 01:00:59 »

Quote from: aegrotatio;199241

Sigh.

Computer keyboards, people, not guitars.

Sigh and double-sigh.

Sigh.

Hey, when the OP (yeah me) leads the derailing, there should be no complaints.

ricercar · « **Reply #158 on:** Tue, 06 July 2010, 14:24:34 »

I think I'll start signing all my images, too.

Zalusithix · « **Reply #159 on:** Tue, 06 July 2010, 14:58:26 »

Nah, you need to be more aggressive if you're going to mark your images... even a half-assed quick job can undo that level of marking. (Colors aren't perfect, hence half-assed.) Basically, you're wasting your time. If somebody wants something bad enough, all but the most obnoxious watermarking wont help.

TexasFlood · « **Reply #160 on:** Tue, 06 July 2010, 15:10:27 »

Quote from: Zalusithix;200039

Nah, you need to be more aggressive if you're going to mark your images... even a half-assed quick job can undo that level of marking. (Colors aren't perfect, hence half-assed.) Basically, you're wasting your time. If somebody wants something bad enough, all but the most obnoxious watermarking wont help.

Yup, that's one of the things clone and heal tools were invented for right?

gr1m · « **Reply #161 on:** Tue, 06 July 2010, 15:29:21 »

I like where this is going.

didjamatic · « **Reply #162 on:** Tue, 06 July 2010, 16:35:45 »

Quote from: ripster;200048

Old Skool.

CS5 and use Content Aware Fill.

Hmmmm.....
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Hmmmm indeed.

kishy · « **Reply #163 on:** Tue, 06 July 2010, 16:39:51 »

Quote from: ripster;200068

MEANWHILE IN CANADA
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Not quite right.

More like this:

lmnop · « **Reply #164 on:** Tue, 06 July 2010, 17:31:40 »

the double sheeeeeeeeit

the uber sheeeeeeeeeit

the sheeeeeeeit anthem

gr1m · « **Reply #165 on:** Wed, 07 July 2010, 17:32:14 »

The 6Gv2 is now in stock at NCIX. Means that mine should ship soon. HURRY IT UP FEGETS

gr1m · « **Reply #166 on:** Thu, 08 July 2010, 06:38:15 »

MEANWHILE IN CANADA...

kppanic · « **Reply #167 on:** Thu, 08 July 2010, 09:38:28 »

Quote from: ripster;200522

MEANWHILE IN CANADA.....

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WTH I google "cheap mechanical keyboard" and the next thing I know I get this???

gr1m · « **Reply #168 on:** Tue, 13 July 2010, 07:36:36 »

It should be here in a few hours.

gr1m · « **Reply #169 on:** Tue, 13 July 2010, 09:12:15 »

It's here. This feels pretty epic. Anybody who said that Cherry Blacks are hard to type on must have very weak fingers. I must say that the keys feel very smooth. The keys are hard to bottom out, I agree, but it isn't exactly painfully difficult. Also, touch typing feels much more natural on this keyboard than on my G15; is this placebo or are mechanicals supposed to have an immediate typing advantage? I love how compact and solid the keyboard is. All in all, I like it so far.

BucklingSpring · « **Reply #170 on:** Tue, 13 July 2010, 10:33:19 »

Quote from: kppanic;200660

WTH I google "cheap mechanical keyboard" and the next thing I know I get this???

ROFL... Seal hunting with mechanical keyboards was banned few years ago. They probably updated the pictures and forgot to change the keywords.

They said hitting seals with a TVS GOLD was cruel. Not to mention that all the flying keycaps left behind were not ecological.

gr1m · « **Reply #171 on:** Tue, 13 July 2010, 11:26:21 »

I got 33 keys on the N-key test until I ran out of ideas on how to hit more keys without using my face. Safe to conclude that it is in fact NKRO when connected with PS2.

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #172 on:** Tue, 13 July 2010, 11:53:38 »

Quote from: gr1m;202233

Anybody who said that Cherry Blacks are hard to type on must have very weak fingers.

Seriously, this more applies to extended periods of rapid typing.

Nonmouse · « **Reply #173 on:** Tue, 13 July 2010, 12:10:35 »

Quote from: gr1m;202260

I got 33 keys on the N-key test until I ran out of ideas on how to hit more keys without using my face. Safe to conclude that it is in fact NKRO when connected with PS2.

The face is the ultimate test of NKRO. I really don't think we can accept your results without at least one face-mash...

gr1m · « **Reply #174 on:** Tue, 13 July 2010, 12:17:18 »

Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;202265

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Seriously, this more applies to extended periods of rapid typing.

I love that picture. You're probably right, I guess I'll find out when school starts again and I have to write an essay or something.

Quote from: Nonmouse;202268

The face is the ultimate test of NKRO. I really don't think we can accept your results without at least one face-mash...

Aw damn.

Also, the key labels have a texture. Like, they actually pop out of the key. It isn't uncomfortable but it wasn't like that on a G15.

washuai · « **Reply #175 on:** Tue, 13 July 2010, 14:07:36 »

Are the 6VG2 keys texture from pad printing? Is their texture smooth? I'm not big on scratchy laser feel, but still prefer it to print that goes away in 6 months or less. Still double shots ftw. Although, I do really like the blanks.

gr1m · « **Reply #176 on:** Tue, 13 July 2010, 14:49:34 »

It's scratchy so I think it is laser etched. And I didn't realise but after a delicious L4D2 match of versus (first map, we played 4v2, were down by 300 points and the kids on the other team talked plenty of ****, but then we got 2 proper players and ended up winning - mmmm delicious), my fingers actually do feel tired. Still, I love this keyboard.

phillip · « **Reply #177 on:** Tue, 13 July 2010, 15:16:39 »

Quote from: gr1m;202233

Anybody who said that Cherry Blacks are hard to type on must have very weak fingers. I must say that the keys feel very smooth.

i feel the same way

but i've got no other mechanical to compare it to

timw4mail · « **Reply #178 on:** Tue, 13 July 2010, 15:18:45 »

Quote from: phillip;202316

i feel the same way

but i've got no other mechanical to compare it to

It's the lack of tactile feedback compared to other switches that is the biggest thing.

gr1m · « **Reply #179 on:** Tue, 13 July 2010, 15:26:31 »

Pics (or GTFO right). The last is to demonstrate how much space is wasted on the G15 with gimmicks that I never used once (macros, LCD).

gr1m · « **Reply #180 on:** Tue, 13 July 2010, 15:28:08 »

There's a bunch of false marketing on the included pamphlet. It claims that only the Steelseries G keyboards are pro enough to contain an uber ultimate professional gamer anti-ghosting capability (also known as NKRO and available on many keyboards, lol).

microsoft windows · « **Reply #181 on:** Tue, 13 July 2010, 17:23:42 »

That Logitech looks so much like a piece of Chinese crap it ain't even funny.

gr1m · « **Reply #182 on:** Tue, 13 July 2010, 17:36:27 »

I know right. It feels like one too.

microsoft windows · « **Reply #183 on:** Tue, 13 July 2010, 17:37:48 »

I want to get one and run it over with a tractor.

kishy · « **Reply #184 on:** Tue, 13 July 2010, 17:46:06 »

There's one definitely kick-ass feature of the Logitech gaming boards...macros.

Erm, they are hardware macros, right?

microsoft windows · « **Reply #185 on:** Tue, 13 July 2010, 17:54:57 »

There are plenty of good keyboards that do macros. Like a Gateway2000 Anykey. But NOT the Logi****!

gr1m · « **Reply #186 on:** Thu, 15 July 2010, 18:44:45 »

The keyboard is feeling better and better. I like linear a lot now so I think if the question boils down to tactile bump vs. linear switches, I'll give linear the edge. I still haven't bothered to learn how to touch type properly.

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #187 on:** Thu, 15 July 2010, 19:03:22 »

Quote from: gr1m;203142

I'll give linear the edge. I still haven't bothered to learn how to touch type properly.

Learn to touch type, and I'm sure you'll change your mind.

gr1m · « **Reply #188 on:** Thu, 15 July 2010, 19:05:37 »

Do you make these yourself? If I owned a business, I would hire you as the Trollface Guy.

*edit
Do you mean that when touch typing, tactile feels better than linear?

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #189 on:** Thu, 15 July 2010, 19:11:28 »

Quote from: gr1m;203145

Do you make these yourself? If I owned a business, I would hire you as the Trollface Guy.

Heh, I just keep them around.

Quote from: gr1m;203145

*edit
Do you mean that when touch typing, tactile feels better than linear?

In my opinion, yes. The tactile feedback is going to help you not bottom out at higher speeds and will make typing for long periods more comfortable.

ricercar · « **Reply #190 on:** Thu, 15 July 2010, 20:46:52 »

Quote from: gr1m;202260

I got 33 keys on the N-key test until I ran out of ideas on how to hit more keys

NKRO is not about hitting the most keys. It's about the fewest keys that can never get blocked by others ( I got this wrong before, too).

Can you press the following?

press Q pause (don't let go)
press W pause (don't let go)
press A pause (don't let go)
press S pause (don't let go)
press Z pause (don't let go)
press X pause (don't let go)

and have all six letter appear on the test?

gr1m · « **Reply #191 on:** Thu, 15 July 2010, 22:16:44 »

Yes, it just worked. "qwaszx" with 6 keys accepted.

Phaedrus2129 · « **Reply #192 on:** Thu, 15 July 2010, 22:39:08 »

NKRO test. Mash your keyboard with your open palm. If output looks like this:

8.09u;ip-7j[o/,klh'6nymb5=tvr4gcefdxs

it's NKRO.

If it looks like

oh,u[

It isn't.

gr1m · « **Reply #193 on:** Fri, 16 July 2010, 11:44:57 »

Sometimes the numlock LED stays on even when my computer is turned off. Wut. Is this a PS2 thing?

kishy · « **Reply #194 on:** Fri, 16 July 2010, 11:55:44 »

Yes, some motherboards provide PS/2 (and for some USB) power even when off (but they must first be running, then shut down - simply connecting a power cord to it without first powering on usually won't do it).

PS/2 optical mice will, with motherboards that do this, remain lit up as well.

gr1m · « **Reply #195 on:** Fri, 16 July 2010, 22:01:13 »

The font on my left ctrl key is kinda darker and duller than the rest. Not as crisply white. Minor gripe but I wonder why I only noticed it today.

gr1m · « **Reply #196 on:** Fri, 16 July 2010, 22:04:54 »

Never mind, I think it's dirt going into the laser etching.

aegrotatio · « **Reply #197 on:** Sat, 17 July 2010, 02:02:14 »

The PS/2 illuminated LED thing when ATX computers are turned off were an early oddity. I have a couple of well-loved IBM keyboards (not Model M) whose LEDs would light up on powered-of computers with ATX power supplies back in the early days. These same keyboards were the only ones that allowed my AMD Socket A computers to boot properly, too, so it might have been an odd idiosyncrasy of the Socket A platform back then.

gr1m · « **Reply #198 on:** Sat, 17 July 2010, 13:03:26 »

One of the switches on my keyboard is weird. The "-" key on the numpad only responds to direct hits. I can hit it with an upwards, left and right angle but when I hit it with a downwards angle, the switch "snags" and sticks. I had dropped a sesame seed into my numpad and pried the keys out using a pocket knife (applying light pressure and rotating around the keycap) to remove it. I thought maybe I damaged the keycaps or something but the rest of the numpad seem fine and the individual switch for the "-" key exhibits the same behavior without the keycap.

Odd.

ch_123 · « **Reply #199 on:** Sat, 17 July 2010, 13:42:47 »

Quote from: Phaedrus2129;203206

NKRO test. Mash your keyboard with your open palm. If output looks like this:

8.09u;ip-7j[o/,klh'6nymb5=tvr4gcefdxs

it's NKRO.

If it looks like

oh,u[

It isn't.

Make sure you hold down the two shifts at the same time.

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Author Topic: Under $100 mechanical keyboard for gaming and typing, possible? (Read 59565 times)