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[IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Shipping to me)
« on: Tue, 22 October 2019, 07:52:58 »

Doddle. British slang for something easily accomplished.

Usage example: Mate, that homework was a complete doddle to do!

Hi there guys!

This is actually my second IC and I'd like some community feedback.

As I'm not a prominent community member, I first present myself. I'm Gondolindrim, a Brazilian mech enthusiast and PCB designer.

Long story short, as you guys know there is a big space in the hobby for what has been called "plain-style" PCBs, which most common characteristic is the limited layout compatibility and  features, in order to make an easy-to-build PCB. Unfortunately only ANSI versions are available as ISO layouts are often discarded for the little parcentage of the hobby it represents. As such, I have been receiving many requests from our fellow european clackers to make a plain ISO 60% PCB. Some weeks ago I reached out to Jae, from TopClack, who is an open advocate of ISO compatibility, and he suggested the compatible layouts.

The PCB

The PCB has some nice features to it, despite its simple nature:

  • USBC connector;
  • ESD protection on data lines;
  • TVS (Transient Voltage Suppression) on power lines, protecting the PCB from voltage spikes;
  • Full digital power rails isolation and filtering, stabilizing MCU voltage and avoiding power bugs;
  • Data lines differential pair impedance matching through differential-coupled ferrite core choke;
  • Cable shield discharge protection;
  • Overvoltage and overcurrent protection;
  • Current inrush protection from metallic cases;
  • ARM STM32F072 processor; all unused pins are broken out so that the user can expand the PCB in any way;
  • Universal screw holes "Poker 60%" format, making it compatible with most 60% cases;
  • First backers will get a version in which "pre-Alpha revision" is expressly written.

As all the PCBs in my open-project Acheron, the Doddle60 is open-source. It features an ARM STM32F072 processor and flex cuts. I have a maximum of 10 units for this IC as I will assemble them myself by hand.

You can access the files at the Github repository https://github.com/Gondolindrim/Doddle60.

The name "Doddle" was suggested by Jae, as a nod to the fact that the PCB features few layouts and has the philosophy of being simple.

The PCB documentation will be found at the AcheronDocs page http://gondolindrim.github.io/AcheronDocs, where all documentation for the Acheron Project PCBs are. As of today the Doddle60 does not have a page, but I'll add it shortly once I prototype them.

The PCB is QMK compatible. VIA compatibility is not an option at this time as VIA is not accepting new boards right now, but in the future maybe they will open up again and, if they do, I will try to make it compatible.

Supported layouts

See the below image for the proposed layouts.



Preliminary PCB renders

Renders obtained through tracespace.io website.





Purpose of this IC

Since I need to prototype the PCB and the MOQ of the PCB manufacturer is 5 units, some units would be left orphaned. The problem is I don't know 5 ISO users that can make proper use of this PCB. My idea is to send Jae one and keep one for me. So the idea is to gather 5-10 people that would be interested in funding the prototypes, and I'll send them assembled prototype PCBs. Each will cost around 30 USD plus shipping. I'm not making a profit of this whatsoever, I just need the prototyping money.

All I ask is that whoever gets and builds the PCB give me constructive feedback on ease to build, compatibility, and general ideas to make the PCB better.

What I need help with is I don't have an EU proxy to send the PCBs from, so I really need a volunteer to whom I can send a batch of PCBs and that person would redirect them to the funders. Of course all shipping expenses will be covered by each funder, and we can aggree to pay the volunteer for his or her time. Also of course the volunteer will be cited in the PCB acknowledgements page.

And of course, this IC can also be used for feedback on the ideas of this PCB, and the layouts and features supported.

FAQ

  • Is there an ANSI plain-style PCB? Yes, two of them in fact. One is the ArcticPCB (named after another brazilian enthusiast ArcticFox), and the other is KeebsPCB (named after our brazilian mech streamer MrKeebs), which is hotswap.
  • But... why? As the user of another endemic layout (the brazilian ABNT), I know how it is to not have your preferred choice supported. I have had some harsh feedback on PCBs, specially the Austin, where people went nuts because there was NE ISO avail. As it turns out I think ISO users don't get enough love, so here is my token of appreciation for our EU brothers and specially to Jae, who has helped me immensely through some of my difficult times in the community.
  • How to reach you? See https://gondolindrim.github.io/AcheronDocs/overview.html#how-to-reach-gondolindrim. Preferably through Discord. Do not send Geehack or Reddit PMs as I don't linger on those platforms much anymore.
Form

If you are considering backing the protos, below is the link for the form. Please read the warnings carefully and fulfill the fields. Suggestions are always appreciated. The form will be open for a week, and I will close it at 30/10 13:00 CEST.

https://forms.gle/9WzokwmEoJAaj6oF8

Updates

  • 10/22/2019 There was a big number of requests for a split right shift. I will incorporate that suggestion shortly.
  • 10/23/2019 Added IC form for participants to get in.
  • 10/25/2019 Added split right shift compatibility and 2.25U left shift for US-ISO layout
  • 11/11/2019 Published the pre-Release Alpha at  https://github.com/Gondolindrim/Doddle60/releases/tag/preAlpha. I will stream the prototypes ordering and its components tomorrow 12/11/2019 at 6PM BRT / 9PM GMT. 
  • 11/20/2019 PCBs were ordered
  • 12/03/2019 Components were ordered
  • 12/29/2019 PCBs arrived in Brazil and are passing through fiscalization and customs
  • 01/14/2020 Components arrived in Brazil and are passing through fiscalization and customs
  • 01/14/2019 Both PCBs and components are still in customs. I have received some feedback from friends in the IRS that the shipment flux is unpredictably high this year and they will take longer than expected to deliver. I think I should have PCBs by mid february and components by start march.
  • 01/29/2019 Due to the coronavirus spreading, brazilian customs is taking longer than expected and governmet is considering halting the shipments from China until Health Ministry decision. This happened because there were almost a dozen Coronavirus suspected cases in Brazil. Will keep you guys posted.
« Last Edit: Fri, 31 January 2020, 10:20:00 by Gondolindrim »
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 22 October 2019, 07:56:00 »
Glad to see this up Gondo - I知 happy to do EU distribution for the prototypes. I値l even cover EU postage


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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 22 October 2019, 07:57:05 »
Any chance for the split right shift?

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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 22 October 2019, 07:57:30 »
Looks nice. Price is  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 22 October 2019, 08:05:35 »
interested in many of this  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 22 October 2019, 08:12:06 »
happy to see love for ISO ;) will help the GB is it happens
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 22 October 2019, 08:12:46 »
I don't use 60% anymore but I might buy a few, just because.

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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 22 October 2019, 08:18:33 »
Awesome.

If you make it split right shift I値l buy some!

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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB
« Reply #8 on: Tue, 22 October 2019, 08:20:25 »
Oh damn,

ISO only and supports only fullsize R-Shift?

That's brave

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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 22 October 2019, 08:42:30 »
Although i dont use ISO, this is great for Pepsi who do!

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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 22 October 2019, 08:46:42 »
I'd be in for one if you split dat shift!

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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 22 October 2019, 10:38:15 »
Any chance for the split right shift?

Yes! I will add that shortly.

I don't use 60% anymore but I might buy a few, just because.

ANSI sucks.

Looks nice. Price is  :thumb:

It's not a "price" as much as it is a funding. I need to prototype the PCB to release it and I gather some people will want it, so I just need the money to prototype.

I'd be in for one if you split dat shift!

Awesome.

If you make it split right shift I値l buy some!

Will do ASAP!

happy to see love for ISO ;) will help the GB is it happens

This is not a GB as much as a "kickstarter" because prototping is rather costly. Also I open-source and manage all PCBs for the community, so nothing more reasonable than offering it at manufacturing cost.

Glad to see this up Gondo - I知 happy to do EU distribution for the prototypes. I値l even cover EU postage


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You are one of the good ones Jae! Thanks for your support.

Oh damn,

ISO only and supports only fullsize R-Shift?

That's brave

Well I have no stakes or monetary interest in this, so why not  ;)

Although i dont use ISO, this is great for Pepsi who do!

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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 22 October 2019, 12:32:41 »
I will be on the lookout for your COLEVRAK/AZERTY hybrid-only keycap group buy for sure!

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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 22 October 2019, 13:28:00 »
I'll have one please. Splitable shift or not.

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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB
« Reply #14 on: Tue, 22 October 2019, 16:26:15 »
I have literally no use for a pcb at the minute but I'd be tempted to pick one of these up just to support the concept :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 23 October 2019, 05:28:31 »
I have literally no use for a pcb at the minute but I'd be tempted to pick one of these up just to support the concept :thumb:

Thank you for the support!

I'll have one please. Splitable shift or not.

I will submit a form to gather interest.
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 23 October 2019, 05:41:53 »
Lovely idea! Thank you. I'll be keeping an eye on this as I'll want to fund one of those protos.

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Added a form for you guys to join.

I tried to write and word it carefully, so please be sure to read it thoroughly.

Since I will build all protos, QC them and flash by hand, I'm capping at 10 units. If we get more participants, I suggest to limit it to a unit per participant and randomly raffling the spots.

The form will be open for a week, and I will close it at 30/10 13:00 CEST.

EDIT: forgot to add, but I will add split right shift to the protos.

Form:

https://forms.gle/9WzokwmEoJAaj6oF8
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 23 October 2019, 06:13:02 »
Lovely idea! Thank you. I'll be keeping an eye on this as I'll want to fund one of those protos.

I saw your entry. Thanks for the support!
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Happy to help. Nice to see some ISO UK love  :thumb:

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I must say that I would be interested in getting one and if it would add split RShift support then all the merrier. See you plan on doing that.

On a side note - why you want to go through all he struggle if PCB fabs like JLCPCB now offer small quantity PCB assembly for fair prices? There's couple of rules you need to follow but it is waaay better to get them to assemble at least all of the diodes and SMT components and you soldering only the USB connector or smth.

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I must say that I would be interested in getting one and if it would add split RShift support then all the merrier. See you plan on doing that.

On a side note - why you want to go through all he struggle if PCB fabs like JLCPCB now offer small quantity PCB assembly for fair prices? There's couple of rules you need to follow but it is waaay better to get them to assemble at least all of the diodes and SMT components and you soldering only the USB connector or smth.

I did consider JLC, but the PCB has almost 10 of those components that are charged 3 dollars each for soldering ("extended" components I believe), so that is 30 dollars just because. Also they only do green PCBs and let's face it, that's lame haha

I can do 10-20 PCBs in a couple hours. It's not a big deal honestly. Also I don't like to order assembled prototypes as I can swap, change, remove or replace components for testing if I assemble them.
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I could go in for 5  ;D  :thumb:

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I must say that I would be interested in getting one and if it would add split RShift support then all the merrier. See you plan on doing that.

On a side note - why you want to go through all he struggle if PCB fabs like JLCPCB now offer small quantity PCB assembly for fair prices? There's couple of rules you need to follow but it is waaay better to get them to assemble at least all of the diodes and SMT components and you soldering only the USB connector or smth.

I did consider JLC, but the PCB has almost 10 of those components that are charged 3 dollars each for soldering ("extended" components I believe), so that is 30 dollars just because. Also they only do green PCBs and let's face it, that's lame haha

I can do 10-20 PCBs in a couple hours. It's not a big deal honestly. Also I don't like to order assembled prototypes as I can swap, change, remove or replace components for testing if I assemble them.

Totally understandable. Haven't ordered any PCBs for a while but heard about this new "feature" PCB fabs offer so I just wanted to put it out there. If you're comfortable with hand-soldering and it works the` good for you and others that would save some money. 10 PCBs is a small batch though and you'll definitely need to plan a second/third batch. :)

EDIT: Just noticed there's split left shift only. I get that you try and keep it ISO but my favourite layout for a 60% is a US-ISO with 2.25u left shift. :D
EDIT#2: Have you thought about offering plates for this as well? There's not a lot of fixed ISO plates so going with a universal plate always sucks.
« Last Edit: Wed, 23 October 2019, 09:22:35 by funderburker »
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I must say that I would be interested in getting one and if it would add split RShift support then all the merrier. See you plan on doing that.

On a side note - why you want to go through all he struggle if PCB fabs like JLCPCB now offer small quantity PCB assembly for fair prices? There's couple of rules you need to follow but it is waaay better to get them to assemble at least all of the diodes and SMT components and you soldering only the USB connector or smth.

I did consider JLC, but the PCB has almost 10 of those components that are charged 3 dollars each for soldering ("extended" components I believe), so that is 30 dollars just because. Also they only do green PCBs and let's face it, that's lame haha

I can do 10-20 PCBs in a couple hours. It's not a big deal honestly. Also I don't like to order assembled prototypes as I can swap, change, remove or replace components for testing if I assemble them.

Totally understandable. Haven't ordered any PCBs for a while but heard about this new "feature" PCB fabs offer so I just wanted to put it out there. If you're comfortable with hand-soldering and it works the` good for you and others that would save some money. 10 PCBs is a small batch though and you'll definitely need to plan a second/third batch. :)

EDIT: Just noticed there's split left shift only. I get that you try and keep it ISO but my favourite layout for a 60% is a US-ISO with 2.25u left shift. :D
EDIT#2: Have you thought about offering plates for this as well? There's not a lot of fixed ISO plates so going with a universal plate always sucks.

If this PCB gets successful to the point that second or third batches happen, I'm sure there are vendors that would be more than happy to supply those batches; being an open-source project I'd be honored to have that happen. Also if that happens I reckon some PCBA fab will be used.

I will add 2.25 LShift compatibility, I think it's reasonable. But I'm stopping here, adding more layouts would defeat the plain purpose of the PCB.

Also I have not thought of plates; I still have to work on the plate cutouts. If I were to offer plates, I'd do FR4 that is cheap and can be ordered with the PCBs. For aluminum/brass, that would require laser cutting or machining, then again, something that maybe a vendor would be up to do but I can't due to single manpower.

The plate thing is exactly what I did with the SharkPCB; the PCB itself has its own repo (https://github.com/Gondolindrim/SharkPCB) and there is another SharkHardware repository (https://github.com/Gondolindrim/SharkHardware) where gerber files for plates can be downloaded and those plates can be order directly from, say, JLC. DXF and SVG files are also published for laser cutting. Steve, who is running the Shark GB, did use those files and ordered both aluminum and FR4 plates, so it's something easy to do but I can't because the logistics are very hard to do from Brazil.

Then again, if someone shows up to sell this stuff, I'd be thrilled.
« Last Edit: Wed, 23 October 2019, 10:49:52 by Gondolindrim »
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Proposed layout changes:

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/dfb069e34f7b14d63b03305a79dfc469

Then again, feedback is appreciated. I'd like to keep the PCB to these compatibilities only if possible.
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Proposed layout changes:

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/dfb069e34f7b14d63b03305a79dfc469

Then again, feedback is appreciated. I'd like to keep the PCB to these compatibilities only if possible.

This suits most ISO users with all of ISO variants. Looks good and pretty much gets the point across that it's a ISO PCB. Talking plates - FR4 bundle sounds fair as other materials means extra work as you mentioned.

Giving it more thought you can never know what type of board this would go for so if it's not a standard tray mount then offering a plate with the PCB is far-fetched. But possibly a tray mount plate would be enough for some people.
Sorry to make a mess with suggestions and ideas, it's your project and from here on out I'm 100% with whatever you come up with. US-ISO compatibility is great and can't wait to see this succeed tenfold!
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If anyone who joins this proto round wants a CF plate fixed to this layout for a tray mount 60% I can provide one pretty cheap


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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB
« Reply #28 on: Wed, 23 October 2019, 21:42:15 »
I will be on the lookout for your COLEVRAK/AZERTY hybrid-only keycap group buy for sure!

ISO Colevrak azerty split ergo with 3U spacebar is my next PCB.
« Last Edit: Thu, 24 October 2019, 05:15:27 by Gondolindrim »
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Proposed layout changes:

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/dfb069e34f7b14d63b03305a79dfc469

Then again, feedback is appreciated. I'd like to keep the PCB to these compatibilities only if possible.

This suits most ISO users with all of ISO variants. Looks good and pretty much gets the point across that it's a ISO PCB. Talking plates - FR4 bundle sounds fair as other materials means extra work as you mentioned.

Giving it more thought you can never know what type of board this would go for so if it's not a standard tray mount then offering a plate with the PCB is far-fetched. But possibly a tray mount plate would be enough for some people.
Sorry to make a mess with suggestions and ideas, it's your project and from here on out I'm 100% with whatever you come up with. US-ISO compatibility is great and can't wait to see this succeed tenfold!

It's a delight to have you and the people here input feedback, and I always try to incorporate that feedback because I only do this for the community. Not for money or recognition or whatever. Having you input your opinion is a golden opportunity for me to improve my designs, further making the available PCBs in the community better.

I'm just trying to equate my time and effort availability with this hobby, as I do work two jobs. Had I the time I'd do plates, PCB, case, firmware, the whole shenanigans.

So please let me know what you think.

If anyone who joins this proto round wants a CF plate fixed to this layout for a tray mount 60% I can provide one pretty cheap


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Ok so for this time I'll keep it to PCBs and I'll work on the FR4 plates for later. Thanks again Jae!
« Last Edit: Thu, 24 October 2019, 05:02:31 by Gondolindrim »
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If anyone who joins this proto round wants a CF plate fixed to this layout for a tray mount 60% I can provide one pretty cheap


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Hi Jae, I'll take you up on that as well as the Iron165 CF plate if you do another run of it. :)

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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: new layouts)
« Reply #31 on: Fri, 25 October 2019, 07:10:09 »
Added new proposed layouts, refreshed KLE and renders.
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: new layouts)
« Reply #32 on: Fri, 25 October 2019, 07:23:36 »
Added new proposed layouts, refreshed KLE and renders.

Great, entered for one. :)
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: new layouts)
« Reply #33 on: Fri, 25 October 2019, 07:31:14 »
Added new proposed layouts, refreshed KLE and renders.

Great, entered for one. :)

You are the tenth. I have never thought that this PCB would gather so much interest.

What a day. What a lovely day.
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: new layouts)
« Reply #34 on: Fri, 25 October 2019, 07:35:24 »
will be in the market for a 60% iso pcb soon-ish, i was planing on going with an universal one but now that this exist, i might as well try my luck, and try to build a plate, i'll fill up the form later to be able to put my discord username, i do not remember the number.
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: new layouts)
« Reply #35 on: Fri, 25 October 2019, 09:08:34 »
I've already entered but I'm very pleased to see the the new changes. Just enough flexibility whilst keeping the good ol' ISO enter in play.

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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: new layouts)
« Reply #36 on: Fri, 25 October 2019, 22:25:22 »
will be in the market for a 60% iso pcb soon-ish, i was planing on going with an universal one but now that this exist, i might as well try my luck, and try to build a plate, i'll fill up the form later to be able to put my discord username, i do not remember the number.
Thanks for the great work.

Thanks for your support.

That's exactly why I'm doing this PCB. I think there are enough ISO users to justify a specific PCB; the fact that you were going for a universal shouldnt be a thing.

I've already entered but I'm very pleased to see the the new changes. Just enough flexibility whilst keeping the good ol' ISO enter in play.


Thanks!  I will be sure to do my best.
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: new layouts)
« Reply #37 on: Mon, 28 October 2019, 04:40:16 »
Guys, just a quick info: I will hold a stream in 30/10, at 4PM CEST to raffle the winners. Just remember that the form closes at 1PM that same day.
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: new layouts)
« Reply #38 on: Mon, 28 October 2019, 05:38:13 »
Guys, just a quick info: I will hold a stream in 30/10, at 4PM CEST to raffle the winners. Just remember that the form closes at 1PM that same day.

Sorry, I can't join the stream on the 30th - family comitments - but looking forward to the results [fingerscrossed] :)

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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: new layouts)
« Reply #39 on: Tue, 29 October 2019, 02:59:28 »
I will not be able to join either as i am going to be at work (it translate to 3 PM in France), i have no doubt that you will be impartial (still i hope Jae is getting one by default, right?)
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: new layouts)
« Reply #40 on: Tue, 29 October 2019, 04:06:52 »
I will not be able to join either as i am going to be at work (it translate to 3 PM in France), i have no doubt that you will be impartial (still i hope Jae is getting one by default, right?)

Jae is getting one by default yes, but he is paying for EU postage so I think it's reasonable, plus the time he's putting in.

What I'll do is: I'll assign a number to each participant and sort the numbers in a random number generator.
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: new layouts)
« Reply #41 on: Wed, 30 October 2019, 08:36:17 »
Stream will be held in 30 mins at http://twitch.tv/gondolindrim_
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: new layouts)
« Reply #42 on: Wed, 30 October 2019, 09:23:20 »
Here is the result of the raffle:

1   yui
2   deLEES
3   Sendrim
4   dexie
5   ludd3
6   Puree
7   dmatx1
8   oew
9   Vogonpt
10   Adelscott
11   KrasH
12   RETRURNISO
13   Len
14   VXQN
15   funderburker

Here is how it goes. As I tried to explain in the stream, I will paypal invoice numbers 1-10, as those are guaranteed to receive their PCBs.

I won't order 10 PCBs, I will actually order 13 in order to have spares in case any of them are broken or I screw the soldering up. If all three spares work, then 11-13 will also be contacted and invoiced. If only two of the spares work, then 11 and 12 will be contacted and invoiced. And so on.

In case anyone gives up their spot I'll contact the next guy on the list.

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(sorry for the horrendous quality, I'm not at home ATM and used my laptop which camera and sound quality is... subpar).

UPDATE: I invoiced 1-10 for 35 dollars each. I will hold the invoices for two days; if anyone doesn't pay I'll remove that person from the raffle and contact the next guy. If the value is wrong please contact me.

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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: new layouts)
« Reply #43 on: Wed, 30 October 2019, 09:48:51 »
Wow! Thanks and paid  :)

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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #44 on: Wed, 30 October 2019, 10:09:03 »
Haha, I hope you don't screw up! :)) <3

edit. sorry for the typo in my username ;D
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« Reply #45 on: Wed, 30 October 2019, 10:14:23 »
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14th place

Why I oughtta!

Just kidding. Thanks for setting this up and showing the ISO love.

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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #46 on: Wed, 30 October 2019, 10:26:59 »
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14th place

Why I oughtta!

Just kidding. Thanks for setting this up and showing the ISO love.

I feel bad for who didn't get it, I really do. For what it's worth I never imagined this PCB would get so much interest, I honestly though I'd have spare PCBs.

I'm honestly considering going after a vendor for these PCBs. I'll wait until the protos are confirmedly working.
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #47 on: Wed, 30 October 2019, 12:16:56 »
paid, but i still need to order better swiches, the gateron browns i have for my cheap mech will not do for that, how much time do i have to get them? any idea?
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #48 on: Wed, 30 October 2019, 14:18:38 »
paid ! thanks !

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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #49 on: Wed, 30 October 2019, 14:32:17 »
paid, but i still need to order better swiches, the gateron browns i have for my cheap mech will not do for that, how much time do i have to get them? any idea?

Counting from today, I reckon two to three months for arrival to you
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #50 on: Wed, 30 October 2019, 15:24:52 »
paid too, thank you  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #51 on: Thu, 31 October 2019, 01:12:26 »
Thanks, paid!
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #52 on: Thu, 31 October 2019, 03:15:49 »
I値l get a form up later today to see if anyone wants a CF plate. Should be about $30 each but will need 6 or so to want one


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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #53 on: Thu, 31 October 2019, 03:50:15 »
I値l get a form up later today to see if anyone wants a CF plate. Should be about $30 each but will need 6 or so to want one

well you can count me in, i was originally planning on trying to hand build a plate out of scrap aluminum but CF should be better, and most likely better built.
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #54 on: Thu, 31 October 2019, 05:32:33 »
Vote here for the color you want for the Doddle60:

https://linkto.run/p/TBHQ3KZM

Renders: https://imgur.com/a/73wcco4











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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #55 on: Thu, 31 October 2019, 05:55:04 »
Paid. Thanks for setting this up and for the UK ISO love :)

And, yes please to the CF plate Jae. Can I get an IRON165 CF plate while you're at it ;)
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #56 on: Thu, 31 October 2019, 06:34:17 »
Vote here for the color you want for the Doddle60:

https://linkto.run/p/TBHQ3KZM

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« Reply #57 on: Thu, 31 October 2019, 07:41:39 »
I値l get a form up later today to see if anyone wants a CF plate. Should be about $30 each but will need 6 or so to want one

Great, count me in too. I'd like to try out a CF plate long ago and a high quality one would be a perfect for the first time.

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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #58 on: Mon, 04 November 2019, 18:43:55 »
Ok guys, Vogonpt has not yet paid his invoice and is therefore out. I tried contacting him to no avail.

I'm invoicing KrasH.
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #59 on: Mon, 04 November 2019, 19:17:16 »
Also black color won by a good mile, so black it is! I'm ordering PCBs and components this week!
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #60 on: Mon, 04 November 2019, 19:50:12 »
Refreshed renders for intended version. I will do the pre-Alpha release and order PCBs and components by this week.
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #61 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 01:20:48 »
Congrats everyone!

Kinda sad didn't get in but I'd be down joining the CF plate! Would it be fixed ISO and support US-ISO? Couldn't find the CF plate sign-up form in this thread. Where is it Jae? :D
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #62 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 06:56:42 »
Congrats everyone!

Kinda sad didn't get in but I'd be down joining the CF plate! Would it be fixed ISO and support US-ISO? Couldn't find the CF plate sign-up form in this thread. Where is it Jae? :D

Yeah yeah :D


Here is the form folks:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1s2m_6tkk0Nc9p_2zzWamoU1LxXpbRTDvyYE1z8hQ-N0

I've also added a channel and Role to my Discord so I can provide updates eaiser and respond to queries - https://discord.gg/MGVQCVG
Those that joined the Doddle and were in my discord already have the role where I know who you are :D
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #63 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 07:08:06 »
Congrats everyone!

Kinda sad didn't get in but I'd be down joining the CF plate! Would it be fixed ISO and support US-ISO? Couldn't find the CF plate sign-up form in this thread. Where is it Jae? :D

plate will support these layouts - so yes US ISO included :D


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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #64 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 07:08:56 »
Just to know will the plate be shipped with the PCB for peoples who ordered both? or will the 1st one made will be shipped 1st?
I personally do not mind waiting a bit more as i will not be using one without the other but i do not know the if keeping track of it all would be easy.
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #65 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 07:10:19 »
Just to know will the plate be shipped with the PCB for peoples who ordered both? or will the 1st one made will be shipped 1st?
I personally do not mind waiting a bit more as i will not be using one without the other but i do not know the if keeping track of it all would be easy.

So I'm going to proxy all the EU PCB's - I'll ship those together and cover the cost of shipping.

ROW orders will get their PCB sent from Gondo and their Plate from me, but I'll have to charge shipping for that at the time

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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #66 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 07:42:18 »
Damn. Saw this post for the first time today.

The PCB looks great! ISO forevaaah! :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #67 on: Fri, 08 November 2019, 06:26:54 »
final 24 hour call for the matching CF plates - form closes at 12 noon on Saturday UK time:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1s2m_6tkk0Nc9p_2zzWamoU1LxXpbRTDvyYE1z8hQ-N0


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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #68 on: Sat, 09 November 2019, 04:55:39 »
final 24 hour call for the matching CF plates - form closes at 12 noon on Saturday UK time:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1s2m_6tkk0Nc9p_2zzWamoU1LxXpbRTDvyYE1z8hQ-N0

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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #69 on: Wed, 13 November 2019, 15:40:51 »
Invoices for the plates now out!

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« Reply #70 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 13:56:59 »
All invoices paid.
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #71 on: Sat, 23 November 2019, 02:47:07 »
For those that ordered plates but aren稚 on discord; they have now entered production and should ship to me next week.




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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Update: invoices sent)
« Reply #72 on: Tue, 10 December 2019, 09:37:36 »
Update:

Apparently the PCB manu screwed up the PCBs and is re-doing them.

I shall take a look at the PCB files to see if this was on their end or mine, although I feel pretty confident PCB design is fine.

I told them to wait for my confirmation to restart the PCB process. I will keep you guys updated.
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« Reply #73 on: Tue, 10 December 2019, 09:49:24 »
Update:

Apparently the PCB manu screwed up the PCBs and is re-doing them.

I shall take a look at the PCB files to see if this was on their end or mine, although I feel pretty confident PCB design is fine.

I told them to wait for my confirmation to restart the PCB process. I will keep you guys updated.


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« Reply #74 on: Wed, 18 December 2019, 17:04:57 »
Second PCB batch is ready and coming to me. It passed all tests, including flying probe, so all is ok now. I will post pictures as soon as I receive them.

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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Shipping to me)
« Reply #75 on: Sun, 29 December 2019, 15:48:11 »
Update:

PCBs arrived in Brazil and are currently passing through customs.

Components were not sent yet.
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Update 2:

Components arrived in Brazil and are passing through customs.
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« Reply #77 on: Tue, 21 January 2020, 14:04:27 »
Update 3:

Components and PCBs still at customs.

Due to CNY and holidays, some friends of mine said that the brazilian customs is taking longer than expected. The times are pretty random and I can't give a good estimate, but I don't reckon they will be delivered to me before middle february.
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Shipping to me)
« Reply #78 on: Tue, 28 January 2020, 11:52:53 »
Update 4: nothing to report. Everything is stuck in customs as normal.
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« Reply #79 on: Wed, 29 January 2020, 11:53:24 »
Update #5:

I have heard from my friends in the IRS that customs clearance is taking specially long due to the coronavirus spreading. This is mostly important for packages coming from China. Also all chinese and shipping companies in China have pretty much stopped, specially the keyboard ones -- LCSC, PCBWay, JLC. You name it, they are completely halted.

I don't know how long this will delay the PCBs or the components. Rumors are that the government and "homeland security" office here are considering foreclosing all packages coming from China until second notice from the Health Ministry or National Security.

I will keep you guys posted. Sorry for this.
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Shipping to me)
« Reply #80 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 04:04:08 »
well you could not see this coming, it is understandable and completely out of the control of one singular person. will just have to be patient, thanks for the heads up
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« Reply #81 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 20:20:19 »
well you could not see this coming, it is understandable and completely out of the control of one singular person. will just have to be patient, thanks for the heads up

Yeah, I think we can think that way. I just don't like underdelivering promises, that's all. In any case I'll keep you guys posted here.
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Re: [IC] Doddle60, a 60% plain-style ISO-only PCB (Shipping to me)
« Reply #82 on: Thu, 13 February 2020, 11:41:09 »
Update #6: nothing to report. PCBs and components are still in customs.
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