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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #50 on: Sun, 08 March 2020, 17:13:48 »
Sorry if this comes across as mean-spirited, but I thought this quote from Terry on the TKC "about us" page was funny in light of this thread:

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Not sure I see the humor. Cloning is the opposite of diversity.

It's not a clone. The layout has optional additional vertical alpha row which is the key point of the design: it allows those unfortunate ones having more than 26 letters in their's native alphabet to get every letter on the first layer on a 40%sh layout. And this does matter: imagine having z or x on a second layer.

Lyra has different layout options, different case design, different mount, finish, plate material, you name it. It won't be possible to use Lyra parts (PCB and plate) with Candybar case and vise versa: they are not compatible as they are different boards, having similar, but not identical layouts. Heck, Lyra is even more pricey than Candybar during the GB.
I don't remeber anyone fighting over HHKB 7U layout and I really doubt anyone pays PFU for using HHKB name to promote their designs.

This is a small time amateur enthusiast GB, Candybar was run by a seasoned company: what, you are afraid of competition?
Patent this layout to prevent future hickups like this, but if you didn't yet -- just stop whining and keep going further.

« Last Edit: Sun, 08 March 2020, 18:20:58 by FearsomeCubedWarrior »

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #51 on: Sun, 08 March 2020, 18:11:19 »
Sorry if this comes across as mean-spirited, but I thought this quote from Terry on the TKC "about us" page was funny in light of this thread:

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Not sure I see the humor. Cloning is the opposite of diversity.

Why are you so bitter? This is a really bad look for you. You should be happy someone said they were inspired by your design. Why would they need permission from you to do design a different keyboard?

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #52 on: Sun, 08 March 2020, 19:32:05 »
Not to be one to call people out, but did either of you talk to:

PyrooL: https://github.com/PyrooL/smallpaw
BubaThePig: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/95qxa0/made_my_first_keeb/
The creator of the GNAP 4x4 + 4x4: http://www.40percent.club/2018/05/gnap-4x4-4x4.html?m=1
Hisfantor: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4zdnpk/an_idea_of_a_40_board_with_numpad/

Or anyone else who had this idea long before Candybar or Lyra?

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #53 on: Sun, 08 March 2020, 21:38:57 »
While I love TKC, and they may feel justified in believing that someone should have checked with them, this is by no means a novel design. Also, as others have already pointed out, neither the layout nor the case are identical.

The idea of a 40% + numpad layout has been discussed in the past: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4zdnpk/an_idea_of_a_40_board_with_numpad/

And the general concept existed in various forms long before:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/6hxcy3/40numpad_before_it_was_cool/

I think it's time to move on.



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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #54 on: Mon, 09 March 2020, 02:34:36 »
Sorry if this comes across as mean-spirited, but I thought this quote from Terry on the TKC "about us" page was funny in light of this thread:

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Not sure I see the humor. Cloning is the opposite of diversity.


LOL I sure hope this TerryMatthews clown isn't affiliated with TKC, because this is not a good look.

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #55 on: Mon, 09 March 2020, 04:47:34 »
oh my god, how can you be so tone deaf, the dude made a keyboard because candybar doesn't support his own language well (not enough alphas) and had to ask permission? Even though he "copied" only the general idea and credited the candybar as inspiration? literally anything else was made from scratch, unbelievable

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #56 on: Mon, 09 March 2020, 05:13:42 »
oh my god, how can you be so tone deaf, the dude made a keyboard because candybar doesn't support his own language well (not enough alphas) and had to ask permission? Even though he "copied" only the general idea and credited the candybar as inspiration? literally anything else was made from scratch, unbelievable

Candybar also has an additional vertical row for numpad mods.

Edit: Looks like I hadn't even considered some of the possible layouts, heh.
« Last Edit: Mon, 09 March 2020, 05:29:12 by E-ant »

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #57 on: Mon, 09 March 2020, 06:14:58 »
Looks like someone is insecure in their own product.
"Extras haven't even gone up yet", they're more concerned that your board is better and more attractive and therefore will impact sales, than he is upset that "you didn't ask for permission". :)

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #58 on: Mon, 09 March 2020, 06:49:37 »
Looks like someone is insecure in their own product.
"Extras haven't even gone up yet", they're more concerned that your board is better and more attractive and therefore will impact sales, than he is upset that "you didn't ask for permission". :)

If he is indeed representative of TKC, this ridiculous stance of believing they "own" the 40%+num pad layout and others should ask permission from them to use the layout has affected my interest in their extras and their other products far more than anything else.

Edit:
MOQ looks like it has been reached, I'm super excited for this board.
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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #59 on: Mon, 09 March 2020, 09:28:47 »
this is like nestle accusing hershey of making a candybar that's like theirs

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #60 on: Mon, 09 March 2020, 10:17:51 »
this is like nestle accusing hershey of making a candybar that's like theirs

I suggested overlaying any of my layouts and finding a match ) Did not receive a response
« Last Edit: Mon, 09 March 2020, 10:19:55 by alexbarb »

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #61 on: Mon, 09 March 2020, 10:37:06 »
Looks like you all are evil cloners of a project from 2013:eek:  (a project which was itself inspired by another project - hmm, I'm noticing a pattern here...)

It started out as a crazy idea in IRC to build a 40% keyboard with a tenkey. However though the information in this thread ( http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40567.0 ) I decided to attempt to build said keyboard. I would like to give a shoutout to CPTBadAss for helping me with this project so far and Flip for naming it. Also metalliqaz for inspiring me with his awesome Epsilon case design.  I thought I would share my progress here.
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Planned layout
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Plate just cut on CNC mill
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Switches and standoffs installed
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Keycaps on
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Lots of soldering to do!
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Backplate and feet attached
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Teensy attached to backplate

Left to do:
-Wire up the matrix/ solder switches
-Program the Teensy

Terry, I suggest focusing your efforts on something more fruitful than calling people out for things that your own company has done.  As you're seeing here, that's a surefire way to direct the sleuthing power of the internet right back in your face, which rarely ends favorably.  ;)  Take the kudos and praise from your fans and put that energy into making something even better (which yet more people will take inspiration from :-* ). 

Now all of you get off my lawn and get back to talking about this GB!

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #62 on: Mon, 09 March 2020, 11:18:12 »
Looks like you all are evil cloners of a project from 2013:eek:  (a project which was itself inspired by another project - hmm, I'm noticing a pattern here...)

Yes, all ideas are on the surface) I am exclusively for the world and for everyone to choose what is interesting to him. There was a desire to implement ideas that I did not see in other projects

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #63 on: Mon, 09 March 2020, 12:46:09 »
If i manage to get some funds by the end I'll try to join, to many good buys this month! Good luck! i've been lurking over this design for a while :)


Mod Edit: Removed portion of comment which only perpetuates off-topic discussion.
« Last Edit: Mon, 09 March 2020, 14:51:28 by HoffmanMyster »

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #64 on: Mon, 09 March 2020, 15:02:25 »
Hi Alexbarb

I've registered for this GB last week but haven't received any email confirmation yet.
Is this normal/when are we supposed to receive email?

I don't want to re-register as it might give you wrong total order amount.... Thanks

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #65 on: Mon, 09 March 2020, 22:24:52 »
Hi Alexbarb

I've registered for this GB last week but haven't received any email confirmation yet.
Is this normal/when are we supposed to receive email?

I don't want to re-register as it might give you wrong total order amount.... Thanks

Hi! I reply to the mail if you have left a question. Until March 22, everyone will receive an invoice, or an approximate date when I send it

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #66 on: Tue, 10 March 2020, 02:23:01 »
Hi Alexbarb

I've registered for this GB last week but haven't received any email confirmation yet.
Is this normal/when are we supposed to receive email?

I don't want to re-register as it might give you wrong total order amount.... Thanks

Hi! I reply to the mail if you have left a question. Until March 22, everyone will receive an invoice, or an approximate date when I send it

Okay then. I just want to make sure my order is recorded, so it would be good/reassuring to have the email confirmation ie saying order received, invoice will be send after 22nd March or something like that....

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #67 on: Tue, 10 March 2020, 09:18:26 »
I'm actually quite interested in this. Are there any renders of the multiple color choices for this board? Only ones I've seen so far are the all black renders.

Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #68 on: Tue, 10 March 2020, 10:13:06 »
I'm actually quite interested in this. Are there any renders of the multiple color choices for this board? Only ones I've seen so far are the all black renders.

There are no renders at all. These are pictures of prototype.

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #69 on: Tue, 10 March 2020, 14:38:15 »
Hi Alexbarb

I've registered for this GB last week but haven't received any email confirmation yet.
Is this normal/when are we supposed to receive email?

I don't want to re-register as it might give you wrong total order amount.... Thanks

Hi! I reply to the mail if you have left a question. Until March 22, everyone will receive an invoice, or an approximate date when I send it

Alexbarb,

Confirmation emails are standard practice for online purchases. I understand that you will respond to people's questions by email, but multiple people have already been confused by the lack of a confirmation email.

To make sure everyone who submits an order form is confident that their order was received, I think you should make sure they receive a confirmation email soon after submitting their form. If we don't know that our order went through until receiving an invoice after the GB period ends, some of us will be worried.

I'm sure confirmation emails are built in to Google Forms anyway, so you shouldn't have to do any extra work aside from enabling the feature.

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #70 on: Tue, 10 March 2020, 15:10:57 »
I'm actually quite interested in this. Are there any renders of the multiple color choices for this board? Only ones I've seen so far are the all black renders.

If you google the colourway you can see the exact colours of each colours as they are standard cerakote colours. The yellow one really pops.

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #71 on: Tue, 10 March 2020, 20:50:20 »
Hi Alexbarb

I've registered for this GB last week but haven't received any email confirmation yet.
Is this normal/when are we supposed to receive email?

I don't want to re-register as it might give you wrong total order amount.... Thanks

Hi! I reply to the mail if you have left a question. Until March 22, everyone will receive an invoice, or an approximate date when I send it

Alexbarb,

Confirmation emails are standard practice for online purchases. I understand that you will respond to people's questions by email, but multiple people have already been confused by the lack of a confirmation email.

To make sure everyone who submits an order form is confident that their order was received, I think you should make sure they receive a confirmation email soon after submitting their form. If we don't know that our order went through until receiving an invoice after the GB period ends, some of us will be worried.

I'm sure confirmation emails are built in to Google Forms anyway, so you shouldn't have to do any extra work aside from enabling the feature.

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« Last Edit: Tue, 10 March 2020, 21:00:50 by alexbarb »

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #72 on: Tue, 10 March 2020, 21:55:09 »
I suppose only those ordering from this point onwards will receive the confirmation email, not prior one?

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #73 on: Wed, 11 March 2020, 03:59:06 »
I suppose only those ordering from this point onwards will receive the confirmation email, not prior one?

Yes, to everyone who filled out until this day, I personally will write this week

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #74 on: Wed, 11 March 2020, 06:07:08 »
I suppose only those ordering from this point onwards will receive the confirmation email, not prior one?

Yes, to everyone who filled out until this day, I personally will write this week

Sounds good man. Will prevent people trying to order again too, Thinking it didn't go through


Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #76 on: Wed, 11 March 2020, 07:31:14 »
It seems that the issue with Cerakote is that it's appearance due to structure largely depends on light and application method.

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #77 on: Wed, 11 March 2020, 07:53:00 »
It seems that the issue with Cerakote is that it's appearance due to structure largely depends on light and application method.
I looked up the samples on each colouring based on these links:

Cobalt H112:
https://www.cerakote.com/project-gallery?htids=Cobalt%20H-112

Blue Titanium H-185:
https://www.cerakote.com/project-gallery?htids=Blue%20Titanium%20H-185

Polar Blue H-326:
https://www.cerakote.com/project-gallery?htids=POLAR%20BLUE%20H-326

Pink Champagne H-311:
https://www.cerakote.com/project-gallery?htids=PINK%20CHAMPAGNE%20H-311

Bright Purple H-217:
https://www.cerakote.com/project-gallery?htids=Bright%20Purple%20H-217

Robinís Egg Blue H-175:
https://www.cerakote.com/project-gallery?htids=Robin%27s%20Egg%20Blue%20H-175

Corvette Yellow H-144:
https://www.cerakote.com/project-gallery?htids=Corvette%20Yellow%20H-144



Please note that in the gallery they have amateur pictures. That's why they look so different. The truth is somewhere in the middle or on the product page

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #78 on: Wed, 11 March 2020, 13:47:02 »
Hmm, now of course I would like to change the colour choice.... Is it better to arrange the change by email or make another order ignoring the first one?

Thanks!

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #79 on: Wed, 11 March 2020, 19:52:20 »
Write better on e-mail

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #80 on: Fri, 13 March 2020, 20:31:37 »
What type of plate is POM plate? Not familiar with this

Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #81 on: Sat, 14 March 2020, 00:13:54 »
What type of plate is POM plate? Not familiar with this
It's made of POM obviously. AFAIK, no separate plates have been made from this material, but entire keyboards, like Sirius were.
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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #82 on: Sat, 14 March 2020, 00:32:42 »
What type of plate is POM plate? Not familiar with this
It's made of POM obviously. AFAIK, no separate plates have been made from this material, but entire keyboards, like Sirius were.

Interesting choice for plate. I wonder how this would feel compared to the usual materials. Can't wait to have this.

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #83 on: Sat, 14 March 2020, 14:31:34 »
Will there be standoffs between the PCB and the plate? To keep the PCB from flexing away from the plate when installing switches.

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #84 on: Sun, 15 March 2020, 23:27:37 »
Will there be standoffs between the PCB and the plate? To keep the PCB from flexing away from the plate when installing switches.

Yes they will. I attached renderings of the PCB. It is made 10 places

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #85 on: Mon, 16 March 2020, 05:02:32 »
Just checking, I haven't got the confirmation email yet.... Should I reorder?

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #86 on: Mon, 16 March 2020, 05:09:51 »
Just checking, I haven't got the confirmation email yet.... Should I reorder?

Do not worry. Invoice coming soon

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #87 on: Wed, 18 March 2020, 07:42:19 »
Just checking, I haven't got the confirmation email yet.... Should I reorder?

Do not worry. Invoice coming soon

Paid my invoice. Looking forward to July!

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #88 on: Wed, 18 March 2020, 10:54:51 »
Submitted form, just waiting for invoice  :cool:

Really excited about this board

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #89 on: Wed, 18 March 2020, 16:40:46 »
Might be stupid question but on beta layout where it has arrows on bottom right corner, we can still use 6.25 space bar right?

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #90 on: Wed, 18 March 2020, 20:05:04 »
Might be stupid question but on beta layout where it has arrows on bottom right corner, we can still use 6.25 space bar right?

Absolutely right

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #91 on: Thu, 19 March 2020, 18:10:21 »
How long do invoices usually take? Don't want to miss out!

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #92 on: Thu, 19 March 2020, 22:00:55 »
How long do invoices usually take? Don't want to miss out!

Until the end of GB you will receive an invoice or the date when it will be sent

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #93 on: Fri, 20 March 2020, 15:13:02 »
Just got the new invoice through SantiGo. It's $15 more expensive than the original invoice due to PayPal fees that weren't present the first time. Why is that?

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #94 on: Fri, 20 March 2020, 20:39:57 »
Just got the new invoice through SantiGo. It's $15 more expensive than the original invoice due to PayPal fees that weren't present the first time. Why is that?

Check your invoices and ask if you see a mistake. We fix it.

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #95 on: Fri, 20 March 2020, 22:26:17 »
Just got the new invoice through SantiGo. It's $15 more expensive than the original invoice due to PayPal fees that weren't present the first time. Why is that?

Check your invoices and ask if you see a mistake. We fix it.

There was either a mistake with the original invoice, or there's a mistake with the current one.

Original one was $362 (keyboard plus extra PCB+plate plus shipping)

Current one is $378 (keyboard plus extra PCB+plate plus shipping plus 5% PayPal fee)

I don't really mind dealing with a PayPal fee, but I'm confused because there wasn't a fee before, and there is a fee now that the invoice is being sent from your business partner.

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #96 on: Fri, 20 March 2020, 23:41:10 »
There were several invoices with such an error. We are correcting. Write in PM your email.

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #97 on: Sat, 21 March 2020, 02:27:02 »
My paypal also now has 5% added paypal fee - just want to check whether is this correct or it shouldn't be any fee? Thanks.

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #98 on: Sat, 21 March 2020, 11:46:07 »
Just got the new invoice through SantiGo. It's $15 more expensive than the original invoice due to PayPal fees that weren't present the first time. Why is that?

Check your invoices and ask if you see a mistake. We fix it.

There was either a mistake with the original invoice, or there's a mistake with the current one.

Original one was $362 (keyboard plus extra PCB+plate plus shipping)

Current one is $378 (keyboard plus extra PCB+plate plus shipping plus 5% PayPal fee)

I don't really mind dealing with a PayPal fee, but I'm confused because there wasn't a fee before, and there is a fee now that the invoice is being sent from your business partner.

My paypal also now has 5% added paypal fee - just want to check whether is this correct or it shouldn't be any fee? Thanks.

Invoices fixed.

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Re: [GB] Lyra Keyboard (March 1 to 22, 2020)
« Reply #99 on: Sun, 22 March 2020, 06:34:55 »
Hmm, I ignorantly paid the paypal fee (5% - $14.75 USD).

I guess I've overpaid then? Any chance of getting that back?