I eat my words! Found even better PBT backlit and cheaper too

[typo]

The Razer set in the box. No fancy colorways. Black, white or green. 1.5MM DS PBT backlit Cherry profile. They are very nice for the money. Currently $30 at all major vendors. You get a total of about 120 keys. Don't quote me on that, guessing. More than 104 though. These are easily better than Tai Hao if you do not mind the limited solid color choices. The fonts are thinner and sharper and the overall machining is better and more uniform. Due to the thinner font the light shines through better, more focused as well. The thickest one I measured so far with a high end caliper was 1.586MM. They do not state a thickness but they are considered to be 1.5MM. I think that is considered the "standard" for PBT. The thicker ones do not really do anything for you. However closer to 1MM is not very favorable. So overall these are superior to the Tai Hao I liked so much. You just do not get any choices in the way of colorful. I still think the Tai Hao are very nice due to the strong shine through and many colorways. These simply beat them in the "specs" department for less money. The only issue is they come packaged together. So you could feasibly receive some scuffed caps but mine were not. PBT is rather tough. Slightly rubbing them should not generally scuff it but just a warning. Overall I would put these(in limited colors) alongside Signature Plastics for $30, Vs. $150+ for a similar key count set. I guess it all depends on if you like them and if the additional money is worth it to you if you do not like them. One last thing, This is for a full size board or TKL  ETC. They will not fit 65%, what have you. So that is another limitation of them too. Otherwise I highly recommend these if you can fit within their constraints.

[yui]

you are going to become a professional keycap reviewer at this rate

[Findecanor]

Set for Razer or set by Razer? Please do provide a link!

[Rafen]

Just looked at their site after you mentioned these. They do look really good and the price is right. According to the site you get 120 which covers both ANSI or ISO layouts.

[Rafen]

Set for Razer or set by Razer? Please do provide a link!

They are by Razer. Work on any MX style key switch.

[typo]

Like I said, better specs than Tai Hao but a lot more limitations in the way of colors ETC.. Plus it can't do 65%. If you need 65% you are looking at expensive sets like SP,KAT or GMK if you want good ABS.
I just took up an interest in key caps recently. However I doubt this set is as good as my new KAT Milkshake? It is on the 3rd run and on pre-order but I have some "sources" and was able to get them now. Otherwise if most people want them they are on the waiting list. They are plain off white but I think with the lights on underneath they are very stunning. Especially with a kind of Mauve light I set. I have not felt the Razers but the KAT are very high quality. Of course there is a difference in price. What I needed with shipping and tax was just over $400 for me. Not bragging. Actually just stating what kind of value the Razers are so long as you do not need 65%. I mean maybe the KAT are 25% better for 5X the price. You do the math. I was just stuck with 65%. Does anyone know any really good PBT affordable 65%? I would just like to try them too. I have the razers here but did not realize they do not fit. I can try them on my Topre but it is having issues at the moment. It is the RGB in case you were wondering the stems. I am glad this was appreciated

[Polymer]

Razer has a non standard bottom row as well....so that's one thing to consider.  It could be the extra keycaps that come with it solve that problem.  They don't show you what else you get from what I can tell. 

They're also OEM Profile I think....

They look a little cheap to be honest..but might be better in person...but its the side by side number/symbol and the font in the middle of the key that is just meh...The general quality is probably better than what the first impressions are...

I do like that they're making their own and that's a big plus for the market. 

[subluxe]

Does it have the compatibilities tho?

[Polymer]

I just read that they do come w/ the standard row..I guess because they do have one recent keyboard with standard bottom row...

It also looks like some of the colors have really bad light bleeding...must be too thin...

[typo]

They do indeed have a standard bottom row and 2 size space bars. If you like the font is your taste. They are 30 bucks. The overall quality is pretty good. For $30 I doubt you could do better. Even for $60.

[typo]

Reading here it seems most people prefer high end ABS caps. I have no idea why. these cheap PBT caps will blow away ANY ABS caps IMO. I have no clue why someone would spend $150 on an ABS set.

[Polymer]

Reading here it seems most people prefer high end ABS caps. I have no idea why. these cheap PBT caps will blow away ANY ABS caps IMO. I have no clue why someone would spend $150 on an ABS set.

Looking at these I'd much rather have GMK...in fact, it wouldn't even be close. 

You can just see the quality isn't great..the light bleeding is terrible (which suggests the top part is really thin). 

Is it pretty good for 30?  I'd say they're very good for 30 bucks....But so what?

[typo]

I am not sure what you see? to me they are just as good as GMK. No light bleed at all. They are uniform 1.5MM or more thick. I am not sure what you are speaking of. GMK is terrible for the price IMO. I absolutely hate my caps all shiny. That looks horrible to me! $150 for that? You must be kidding me. I do have some GMK sets but they are in storage. I hate them. That was before I knew anything. I will remain to say Tai Hao is also very good and offers many more colorways. They are not uniform thick. They vary all over the place. On a solid board they do indeed feel very solid. They are very grippy though. If you like shiny(GMK) they are absolutely not for you. They are akin to sandpaper. I personally really like that. The Razer are much smoother.

I think the Tai Hao may actually be better in fact and even selling up to $89 for a set. They are just odd because you cannot really state their MM. They are .8MM in one place and right next to it 1.8MM. They are very odd about that. I think overall I would say they are maybe 1.4-1.6. MM. They do not twist. they do not bleed whatsoever. No hanging machine bits or anything. The Razer are very good too with a thinner font. They are both good. The Razer is mostly less money. Tai Hao only makes 3 $20 sets out of the many, many sets they make.  They average about $45. The better ones being $60. So the Razers win by being less money for similar quality but in very limited colors. I think they are fine. I am not sure what you are seeing. I personally hate GMK. Show me SP or KAT and I will take those instead yes indeed. Now you are talking $200 minimum for the base set. Not a fair comparison. The idea here was value not he best. In that regard the Tai Hao are probably still a better "value". If you do not mind how scratchy they feel. They are higher quality than the Razer and offer more choice but they are mostly twice the price as well. If you just want the best that is easy obtainable too. Although I personally would never get ABS.

[Polymer]

I am not sure what you see? to me they are just as good as GMK. No light bleed at all. They are uniform 1.5MM or more thick. I am not sure what you are speaking of. GMK is terrible for the price IMO. I absolutely hate my caps all shiny. That looks horrible to me! $150 for that? You must be kidding me. I do have some GMK sets but they are in storage. I hate them. That was before I knew anything. I will remain to say Tai Hao is also very good and offers many more colorways. They are not uniform thick. They vary all over the place. On a solid board they do indeed feel very solid. They are very grippy though. If you like shiny(GMK) they are absolutely not for you. They are akin to sandpaper. I personally really like that. The Razer are much smoother.

I think the Tai Hao may actually be better in fact and even selling up to $89 for a set. They are just odd because you cannot really state their MM. They are .8MM in one place and right next to it 1.8MM. They are very odd about that. I think overall I would say they are maybe 1.4-1.6. MM. They do not twist. they do not bleed whatsoever. No hanging machine bits or anything. The Razer are very good too with a thinner font. They are both good. The Razer is mostly less money. Tai Hao only makes 3 $20 sets out of the many, many sets they make.  They average about $45. The better ones being $60. So the Razers win by being less money for similar quality but in very limited colors. I think they are fine. I am not sure what you are seeing. I personally hate GMK. Show me SP or KAT and I will take those instead yes indeed. Now you are talking $200 minimum for the base set. Not a fair comparison. The idea here was value not he best. In that regard the Tai Hao are probably still a better "value". If you do not mind how scratchy they feel. They are higher quality than the Razer and offer more choice but they are mostly twice the price as well. If you just want the best that is easy obtainable too. Although I personally would never get ABS.

t=437s

Check this out.  The light bleed is terrible.  Now, apparently this reviewer hasn't seen it on all of them but it would be surprising if the thickness is any different on them..it probably has to do with the color blocking it.  Either way, a reflection of the overall quality.

I'm not an ABS fan but GMKs are a bit more resistant to shining than other ABS keycaps although it'll eventually happen.  Feel wise though, they're very solid...and the quality is better.  Yes they're more expensive and I do think they're getting a bit out of hand but I don't see a point in collecting just another whatever set of keycaps which is what these Razer ones are..

That said...for people looking to get another set or replace their keycaps on a keyboard, 30 dollars for any set of decent quality PBT keycaps is pretty good...Plus they add bunch of extras for standard/non-standard bottom row, ISO and some stabilizers...It is definitely good value.

What is surprising me is for someone that spends so much on getting what they think is the best...you're making a value play.  Why bother?  If you have better keycaps why not just use those?  Why not get the best?  It doesn't make sense given to get the best keycaps, you're looking at a small amount of money compared to the ridiculous amounts you've apparently spent on other stuff.  These keycaps are entirely ordinary so not sure what your obsession is with them...

[typo]

I am honestly just trying to help other people. Not everyone has over $400 for keycaps. I do agree GMK is top notch. I just personally don't like shine. I go in a lot of stores, even with Corona and I see this stuff. So I figure why not point it out. That's all. I bet a lot of people here did not know about these. You even agreed. They are well worth $30 to someone that cannot buy the big name caps. Even if you have say a Corsair board, it is not worth it to put GMK. Get a better board first. So I understand this can cost $$$ and not everyone has it. It does not mean you cannot participate. I feel people in a good place should give back. This is my best attempt. I picked what I thought was good on a budget. On the other hand there are many $20-$30 sets I will tell you do not even think about.

[mustardgreens]

Thank you typo for sharing your review. Never would have heard of this if not for you. My brother likes thinner caps due to his preference for mx browns (I know) and wants backlit caps for his gaming keyboard. This might be a good fit

[Polymer]

I am honestly just trying to help other people. Not everyone has over $400 for keycaps. I do agree GMK is top notch. I just personally don't like shine. I go in a lot of stores, even with Corona and I see this stuff. So I figure why not point it out. That's all. I bet a lot of people here did not know about these. You even agreed. They are well worth $30 to someone that cannot buy the big name caps. Even if you have say a Corsair board, it is not worth it to put GMK. Get a better board first. So I understand this can cost $$$ and not everyone has it. It does not mean you cannot participate. I feel people in a good place should give back. This is my best attempt. I picked what I thought was good on a budget. On the other hand there are many $20-$30 sets I will tell you do not even think about.

Oh I think bringing them to people's attention is good...but you seem rather obsessed about them whereas really they're just decent keycaps...The price makes them a pretty good deal and I think for a lot of people, it totally makes sense to buy a set (or two) of these...

But I'm not going to compare them to high end keycaps...

[Slayer77]

If you really want good quality PBT you can get it on a budget, but quality still costs more ePBT is where you go. Also KAT profile is PBT

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[typo]

I don't think I ever said they were high end? Although they are not thin either. They are in fact 1.5MM. Tai Hao is odd because one cap ranges from .08 to 1.8MM depending on where you measure it. Those certainly are not high end either. I just figured these were good for people on a budget. Not some junk. You can find plenty of $30 sets that are honestly unusable. Amazon is full of those. Last post: Kat is not cheap. A full set runs about $160. I probably should not be saying this but I sort of bribed someone to get Milkshake this time. It cost me plenty. Although I am comfortable with the transaction. GMK is most certainly very high end. I personally just prefer PBT. Actually I really like vintage Cherry Pom and if one is smart they can get a board for $10. Otherwise it could run you $250+. New caps from SP are high end PBT but now I feel their QC is gone. Crooked and cut off fonts ETC. The plastic is fine but the fonts have been messed up lately. I am very happy with sets 3 years old. There are more lower end sets than high end sets and way more garbage, I thought I just picked a couple of good values. So people do not just go flush $30. Since if they are spending $30 it might be a lot to them. Conversely, those spending $180+ on caps it might not be a big deal to them.

I saw a "special" SP set and they want $5,000! I will not even do that. That is crazy. There was another high end company I forgot that I like, it starts with the letter "B". anyone know? Those are good. Anyways, I did not mean to compare them to nearly $200 sets. I just meant they were not junk. They are actually pretty decent. I hope we can all agree on that. I am not obsessed with them either. I just wanted to point out a good deal. you know, like how people point out coupons.
I am however obsessed with high end novelty caps. Like resin, wood, precious metals and such. I do not speak of it much because I really do not want to share my "sources" for those. Not to be a jerk but some things are private. Well, that is about it. I hope someone enjoys these per my recommendation at least. I never alluded that they were "high end", however. A good "value", indeed. In fact I shall not even be returning the set I just purchased. I will give them to someone or something. I feel good enough about them to put my name behind them. IE, I do not give junk presents.  I really don't think we can say much more about these

[typo]

Per Polymer, I cannot recommend the green ones with backlighting. Too much bleed through. The Black and white are okay to me, YMMV. They are apparently 1.5mm so I find this odd. I just want to be transparent, upfront and honest with everyone here. Honestly the Tai Hao are better.  I even currently recommend them above SP. Due to SP messing up fonts at the moment. They are $60, not $30 though. Here I feel is the lowest you can go viably. There are sets as low as $10 on Amazon but they are horrible. even many other $30 sets. that is exactly why I mentioned these. I think they are pretty decent. will you want them forever? Probably not. Depends how into this you are. If you are on this site these are not your grail key caps. they are a good starter set, or no money set. I was done posting in this thread but I just tried the Green and they are very bad. who wants solid Green though? snot, anyone? I apologize if anyone feels I was misleading in any way. I did not know this about the Green ones.

[Slayer77]

If you are looking for cheap PBT sets, nothing beats ducky sets for standard layouts.

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[typo]

Never tried Ducky caps. Do they sell them by themselves? I know Ducky are very good keyboards for the money. So I am sure their caps are good too. If you have to rip apart a $150+ board it is not a deal though. Or one could just be more careful and buy a good complete board in the first place I suppose. I hate to see people buy Best Buy gaming keyboards. The rubber scratches off the caps. I think that is why Razer capitalized on it! Kind of unfair.

[Riverman]

If you are looking for cheap PBT sets, nothing beats ducky sets for standard layouts.

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I can't stand how the legends on the number keys are next to the numbers.  On backlit keyboards, that makes perfect sense, but they keep that annoying layout even on non-backlit keycaps.  If they could fix that, I agree that they'd be great.

[typo]

I remain that these are actually okay. I confirmed 1.5MM. that is by no means thin. Green has an issue with bleed through. Odd. I like the black. These are worth $30. I think we can say that much. Since a lot of $30 sets are not worth $5 IMO. In fact I will put these up against some $80 sets. Before anyone flames me I said "some". The issue is that not everything is priced accordingly.