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Offline Matt68

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020
« Reply #100 on: Mon, 27 April 2020, 04:45:16 »
<> and * keys from french kit should be blue like the mod keys because they occupy the spot of a mod key, if they are grey, the blue triangles formed by the mod keys wont be triangles anymore, with some grey keys in the middle, it would be ugly

the problem for the backspace key is that it has to be 2u in french layouts, even the most compact one, so you have to buy the 60 mods kits even for small builds

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020
« Reply #101 on: Mon, 27 April 2020, 07:07:25 »
<> and * keys from french kit should be blue like the mod keys because they occupy the spot of a mod key, if they are grey, the blue triangles formed by the mod keys wont be triangles anymore, with some grey keys in the middle, it would be ugly
Exactly 0 ISO layouts have done this.

the problem for the backspace key is that it has to be 2u in french layouts, even the most compact one, so you have to buy the 60 mods kits even for small builds
Very confused about what about French makes it any different in backspace size to any other national layout - additionally, how many "small builds" provide support for the apparently compulsory 2u backspace?

Not to mention that it's not actually possible to add a 2u backspace to the kit, as the set is already in GB and thus quotes are final.

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020
« Reply #102 on: Mon, 27 April 2020, 11:41:53 »
If you keep those keys grey, a french build would look like this :



It totally f*cks up the blue diagonal pattern and looks awful. And they did it for the key which is a character key sitting in a mod spot too, so why not for the <> and the * which are also in mods spots ?

And because of the ISO enter key, the backspace has to sit on the top row, and on the french layout there is only 2 special characters keys after the 0 key, so you usually put a 2u backspace (where the | \ and the hand keys are on the picture above)
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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020
« Reply #103 on: Mon, 27 April 2020, 11:52:49 »
If you keep those keys grey, a french build would look like this :

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It totally f*cks up the blue diagonal pattern and looks awful. And they did it for the key which is a character key sitting in a mod spot too, so why not for the <> and the * which are also in mods spots ?

And because of the ISO enter key, the backspace has to sit on the top row, and on the french layout there is only 2 special characters keys after the 0 key, so you usually put a 2u backspace (where the | \ and the hand keys are on the picture above)


Thanks for the suggestion but we will not be changing the colors of the ISO kits in the manner you are suggesting. The row 5 2u backspace is the one included in the 60s+ kit already.

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020
« Reply #104 on: Mon, 27 April 2020, 13:15:02 »
If you keep those keys grey, a french build would look like this :

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It totally f*cks up the blue diagonal pattern and looks awful. And they did it for the key which is a character key sitting in a mod spot too, so why not for the <> and the * which are also in mods spots ?

And because of the ISO enter key, the backspace has to sit on the top row, and on the french layout there is only 2 special characters keys after the 0 key, so you usually put a 2u backspace (where the | \ and the hand keys are on the picture above)

That's how ISO keyboards are and have always been:

« Last Edit: Mon, 27 April 2020, 13:17:45 by Fredington »

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020
« Reply #105 on: Mon, 27 April 2020, 14:17:16 »
If you keep those keys grey, a french build would look like this :

Show Image


It totally f*cks up the blue diagonal pattern and looks awful. And they did it for the key which is a character key sitting in a mod spot too, so why not for the <> and the * which are also in mods spots ?

And because of the ISO enter key, the backspace has to sit on the top row, and on the french layout there is only 2 special characters keys after the 0 key, so you usually put a 2u backspace (where the | \ and the hand keys are on the picture above)

That's how ISO keyboards are and have always been:

Show Image


Going all the way back to the IBM Model M

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020
« Reply #106 on: Mon, 27 April 2020, 15:06:17 »
MOQ has been met.  All kits will be made!



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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020
« Reply #107 on: Mon, 27 April 2020, 15:09:29 »
Folks if you have not yet, Go check out the deskpads/deskmats/giant mouse pads at mkultra.click!!

Just a few more days to get your orders in so don't hesitate! (Desk pads will be available for order through May)
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Convex caps?
« Reply #108 on: Mon, 27 April 2020, 17:07:43 »
Which caps in which sets are convex? I'm looking for 1u and 1.5u convex thumb keys in particular. Thanks!

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020
« Reply #109 on: Mon, 27 April 2020, 17:09:18 »
The ortho mods have what you are looking for!

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020
« Reply #110 on: Mon, 27 April 2020, 17:12:06 »
I'm new to the custom keycaps scene but i'm an emacs junkie of many years and very much want to get in on this.

I have an Ergodox EZ that I bought premade from https://ergodox-ez.com/ .

Do i understand it correctly that I should order ONLY the "Ergo Legends" set? Or are more keys required? I've found it pretty challenging to figure out what combinations of which sets I'd need, and would love some guidance.

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020
« Reply #111 on: Mon, 27 April 2020, 17:13:34 »
I'm new to the custom keycaps scene but i'm an emacs junkie of many years and very much want to get in on this.

I have an Ergodox EZ that I bought premade from https://ergodox-ez.com/ .

Do i understand it correctly that I should order ONLY the "Ergo Legends" set? Or are more keys required? I've found it pretty challenging to figure out what combinations of which sets I'd need, and would love some guidance.

You need an alpha kit:Grey, blue, or mono legends, and the Ergo legend or Blank set

so one alpha set, and one mod set!

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020
« Reply #112 on: Mon, 27 April 2020, 17:20:11 »
Perfect.  And when mkultra says "do not add other items to cart" it means that exactly those two sets should constitute my order and nothing else, right? (this is extremely helpful, thank you)

Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020
« Reply #113 on: Tue, 28 April 2020, 01:50:37 »
Will there be extras after GB fulfillment?

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020
« Reply #114 on: Tue, 28 April 2020, 03:57:48 »
Will there be extras after GB fulfillment?

Most likely, but you will have to be very lucky to get your hands on them before they sell out and/or you will pay more than what you would be paying now. The GB is still live, so if you are interested, it's better to get in on it now.

If you change your mind later, I'm sure you can always sell your kits on /r/mm.

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020
« Reply #115 on: Tue, 28 April 2020, 07:46:49 »
Perfect.  And when mkultra says "do not add other items to cart" it means that exactly those two sets should constitute my order and nothing else, right? (this is extremely helpful, thank you)

Correct

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020
« Reply #116 on: Tue, 28 April 2020, 08:04:03 »
Perfect.  And when mkultra says "do not add other items to cart" it means that exactly those two sets should constitute my order and nothing else, right? (this is extremely helpful, thank you)

Correct

excellent. i went a little wild, so maybe ill have some spares to put on the atreus i also preordered...

thanks for the help again!

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020
« Reply #117 on: Tue, 28 April 2020, 18:13:28 »
Which caps in which sets are convex? I'm looking for 1u and 1.5u convex thumb keys in particular. Thanks!

The ortho mods have what you are looking for!

Which caps in that set are convex?  How about other sets such as spacebars?  I can't tell from the pictures and I can't find any info about it in this thread.

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020 EXTENDED to May 9
« Reply #118 on: Wed, 29 April 2020, 16:49:05 »
MOQ has been met.  All kits will be made!



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Offline tominabox1

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020
« Reply #119 on: Wed, 29 April 2020, 20:14:57 »
Which caps in which sets are convex? I'm looking for 1u and 1.5u convex thumb keys in particular. Thanks!

The ortho mods have what you are looking for!

Which caps in that set are convex?  How about other sets such as spacebars?  I can't tell from the pictures and I can't find any info about it in this thread.

All of the gray space keys are convex Except for 1.75u.

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020 EXTENDED to May 9
« Reply #120 on: Thu, 30 April 2020, 05:51:22 »
Will all kits be made?

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020 EXTENDED to May 9
« Reply #121 on: Thu, 30 April 2020, 06:30:17 »

Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020 EXTENDED to May 9
« Reply #122 on: Thu, 30 April 2020, 06:55:53 »
Wow, extended! I'll get then all the kits I want, not only those I need.

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020 EXTENDED to May 9
« Reply #123 on: Thu, 30 April 2020, 18:40:14 »
Will all kits be made?

There are no individual kit MOQs for KAT & KAM group buys.  Instead, the MOQ is the total number of keycap units sold.  A standard alpha counts as 1u, a standard RETURN is 2.25u, a standard spacebar is 6.25u, etc.  KAT Space Cadet's MOQ is 54,000 units, and as of 29 April 72,200 units have been sold.  MOQ has been met, so all kits will be made.

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020
« Reply #124 on: Fri, 01 May 2020, 01:23:44 »
All of the gray space keys are convex Except for 1.75u.

I'm sorry but I still don't understand.  Can you please state clearly exactly which caps in which sets are convex?  Thanks.

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020
« Reply #125 on: Fri, 01 May 2020, 06:00:52 »
All of the gray space keys are convex Except for 1.75u.

I'm sorry but I still don't understand.  Can you please state clearly exactly which caps in which sets are convex?  Thanks.

All Space Bars Are Convex Except 1.75u

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020
« Reply #126 on: Fri, 01 May 2020, 08:29:42 »
All of the gray space keys are convex Except for 1.75u.

I'm sorry but I still don't understand.  Can you please state clearly exactly which caps in which sets are convex?  Thanks.

All Space Bars Are Convex Except 1.75u
For future reference, it's pretty common to mark convex keys with a "c".


It also doesn't help that the flatlays use concave tops.

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020 EXTENDED to May 9
« Reply #127 on: Fri, 01 May 2020, 16:59:50 »
MOQ has been met.  All kits will be made!



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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020 EXTENDED to May 9
« Reply #128 on: Sat, 02 May 2020, 07:12:57 »
I have a question, not intended as criticism at all, how did the novelties and up almost the same price as alphas? Is it more expensive to dye somehow?

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020 EXTENDED to May 9
« Reply #129 on: Sat, 02 May 2020, 07:24:42 »
I have a question, not intended as criticism at all, how did the novelties and up almost the same price as alphas? Is it more expensive to dye somehow?
The alpha kit is 54 units (51*1u + 2*1.5u), and the novelties are 52.5 units (26*1u + 6*1.25u + 6*1.5u + 2*1.75u + 1*2u + 2*2.25u). This means that the kits will likely use a similar amount of plastic to make.

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020 EXTENDED to May 9
« Reply #130 on: Sat, 02 May 2020, 07:41:19 »
Makes sense, it looked smaller but I didn't bother to actually count the u's. Thanks!


And I'm in for weirdo alphas, ortho and novelties kit  :D

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020 EXTENDED to May 9
« Reply #131 on: Sat, 02 May 2020, 09:03:09 »
Entered the group buy at the last moment with Grey Alphas, 60+ Mods and Yellow Accent!

First GB, is it the start of the slippery slope?

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020 EXTENDED to May 9
« Reply #132 on: Sat, 02 May 2020, 09:21:34 »
Entered the group buy at the last moment with Grey Alphas, 60+ Mods and Yellow Accent!

First GB, is it the start of the slippery slope?

 ;D For sure is! Thanks for joining in, I hope we can make it smooth as ever for you and everyone else.  Few more days to go guys!

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020 EXTENDED to May 9
« Reply #133 on: Mon, 04 May 2020, 05:47:38 »
What's the discord server for this GB? I'm trying to find someone who might be willing to let go of two 1u keys from the yellow accent kit. I'm a discord newbie, excuse my ignorance.

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020
« Reply #134 on: Mon, 04 May 2020, 07:05:34 »

All of the gray space keys are convex Except for 1.75u.

Do you mean the spacebars kit? Wouldn't everything in that kit be convex, otherwise it would just be a blank not a spacebar? Also, do you mean the only convex caps in this set are in the spacebars kit? How about the ortho mods kit you mentioned earlier? Or do you mean all the grey blanks in every kit except 1.75u?

Can you please state clearly exactly which caps in which sets are convex?
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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020
« Reply #135 on: Mon, 04 May 2020, 08:04:05 »

All of the gray space keys are convex Except for 1.75u.

Do you mean the spacebars kit? Wouldn't everything in that kit be convex, otherwise it would just be a blank not a spacebar? Also, do you mean the only convex caps in this set are in the spacebars kit? How about the ortho mods kit you mentioned earlier? Or do you mean all the grey blanks in every kit except 1.75u?

Can you please state clearly exactly which caps in which sets are convex?

Every space bar in every kit is convex except 1.75u which they have no convex mold for. I'm sorry I don't know how to be any more clear.

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020
« Reply #136 on: Mon, 04 May 2020, 09:32:46 »

All of the gray space keys are convex Except for 1.75u.

Do you mean the spacebars kit? Wouldn't everything in that kit be convex, otherwise it would just be a blank not a spacebar? Also, do you mean the only convex caps in this set are in the spacebars kit? How about the ortho mods kit you mentioned earlier? Or do you mean all the grey blanks in every kit except 1.75u?

Can you please state clearly exactly which caps in which sets are convex?

Every space bar in every kit is convex except 1.75u which they have no convex mold for. I'm sorry I don't know how to be any more clear.

you are being perfectly clear, and i'm thankful for your clarification. i am happy to see 1.5u and 1u convex in the ortho kit. cheers, can't wait to get this!

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020 EXTENDED to May 9
« Reply #137 on: Tue, 05 May 2020, 08:57:28 »
Hi everyone. This will be my first time to order a keycap in a group buy.

Would a set of gray alphas, 60s mods, and a numpad cover my 96 keyboard layout?
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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020 EXTENDED to May 9
« Reply #138 on: Tue, 05 May 2020, 09:25:59 »
Hi everyone. This will be my first time to order a keycap in a group buy.

Would a set of gray alphas, 60s mods, and a numpad cover my 96 keyboard layout?

As long as you went with a standard build on the 96, it should cover everything just fine.

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020
« Reply #139 on: Tue, 05 May 2020, 19:04:03 »
Every space bar in every kit is convex except 1.75u which they have no convex mold for. I'm sorry I don't know how to be any more clear.

Thanks.  So that means, for convex caps up to 2u, they are:

40s Mods: Grey 1x2u.
Ortho Mods: Grey 2x2u, 2x1.5u, 2x1u. Blue 2x1u.
Spacebars: Grey 1x2u, 1x1.25, 2x1u. Blue 1x2u, 1x1.25, 2x1u.
Accents: Yellow 1x2u.
Ergo Blanks / Legends: Grey 2x2u. Blue 2x2u.

None of the printed blue r1 1u with legends in Ortho Mods are convex.

If I want 2x1.5u and 4x1u, say for a crkbd, I could get the the Ortho Mods and have grey 2x1.5u, 2x1u and blue 2x1u, but if I want >4x1u I can't get that from one kit.




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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020 EXTENDED to May 9
« Reply #140 on: Tue, 05 May 2020, 19:13:38 »
Just want to double check before the GB closes, to fill TKL such as Rama U-80 I just need to pick the base + alpha right?

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020 EXTENDED to May 9
« Reply #141 on: Tue, 05 May 2020, 19:30:13 »
Just want to double check before the GB closes, to fill TKL such as Rama U-80 I just need to pick the base + alpha right?

Yes.

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020 EXTENDED to May 9
« Reply #142 on: Wed, 06 May 2020, 17:15:53 »
MOQ has been met.  All kits will be made!



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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020 EXTENDED to May 9 MOQ MET
« Reply #143 on: Sat, 09 May 2020, 11:56:42 »
Joined for 40s, classic grey alphas, accents, numpad and novelties on the last day. Now the wait begins.

Offline tominabox1

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020 - CLOSED
« Reply #144 on: Sun, 10 May 2020, 06:47:54 »
And we're closed! Thank you for all the support! We'll keep you posted as things continue and get dvorcol the last numbers soon. 

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020 - CLOSED
« Reply #145 on: Thu, 28 May 2020, 09:18:06 »
Well boys I dun messed up. I got blue alphas and didnt realize that there is no blue spacebar in the mods kit. Would have needed to get the spacebar kit...

Thoughts on all blue with a grey spacebar?

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020 - CLOSED
« Reply #146 on: Thu, 28 May 2020, 15:12:32 »
Well boys I dun messed up. I got blue alphas and didnt realize that there is no blue spacebar in the mods kit. Would have needed to get the spacebar kit...

Thoughts on all blue with a grey spacebar?

Oof, I did the same, I was looking for a total blue setup...

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020 - CLOSED
« Reply #147 on: Thu, 28 May 2020, 20:31:26 »
Well boys I dun messed up. I got blue alphas and didnt realize that there is no blue spacebar in the mods kit. Would have needed to get the spacebar kit...

Thoughts on all blue with a grey spacebar?

Oof, I did the same, I was looking for a total blue setup...

I brought my big brain move to the 40s discord and they said there will be extras so fingers crossed!

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020 - CLOSED
« Reply #148 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 02:15:40 »
Oh no I did the same as well, missing the blue spacebar :(

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Re: [GB] KAT Space Cadet - April 2020 - CLOSED
« Reply #149 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 18:32:54 »