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[IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB | Typing test!
« on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 10:50:43 »

gaff. 60 - HHKB

- Specifications -
  • Fixed HHKB layout.
  • Seamless design.
  • 6° Typing angle.
  • Top mount.
  • 1.5mm aluminium sprung OR solid plate.
  • Internal brass weight.
  • Pre-Assembled PCB, designed by MaartenWut.
  • QMK compatible.
  • USB Type-C.
  • USB-C -> USB-C Support.
  • ESD protection.


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- Renders -









- Colour Options -


There will only be two colour options for the plate and case.

RAL5013


PANTONE Cool Gray 11 C



- Prototype Status -

PCBs - In transit.
Case - In transit.


- Availability and Pricing -

The initial run will be a very small limited batch.
I'd like to try keep the kit price below $300 if possible. We're not able to meet this price point unfortunately. Each base kit will be $400 plus shipping. https://gaff.works/news


- interest check form -

https://gaff.works/interest_check

I've posted an update regarding pricing and availability on the site https://gaff.works/news



23/06/20

I've just received some photos of the completed second prototype. This shows both colour options.









I'm really happy with how the colours are looking from the photos.
It should still be another week away from me. As long as i'm happy with this prototype the raffle can still take please by the end of June or early July.



Typing test with Gateron black inks lubed with Krytox 205g0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13zkQQuMaFo






Pencilling July 12th 10th for the raffle!!  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 10:53:40 »
YES!!!!!!! 60% gang hyyyyyypeeeee

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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 11:01:05 »
This looks great in blue! Followed

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« Reply #3 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 11:01:32 »
CG 11 C Pantone  :thumb:
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[IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 11:18:30 »
Amount of mount points on the plate looks a bit concerning. But we’ll see :)

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« Reply #5 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 11:19:33 »
very nice. good luck with hitting that price point
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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 11:19:45 »
cool looking plate, how does it work in practice?

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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 11:34:01 »
Amount of mount points on the plate looks a bit concerning. But we’ll see :)

i'm keyboard design dilettante, but i'd agree and would postulate that the side mounts may provide a bit of extra, non-uniform stiffness. not sure how much that would really affect the typing experience, though. either way, this looks nice and i'm interested in seeing how the proto comes out!

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« Reply #8 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 11:36:01 »
waiting proto
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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 11:43:12 »
gaff me up baby

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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 11:48:32 »
Amount of mount points on the plate looks a bit concerning. But we’ll see :)

i'm keyboard design dilettante, but i'd agree and would postulate that the side mounts may provide a bit of extra, non-uniform stiffness. not sure how much that would really affect the typing experience, though. either way, this looks nice and i'm interested in seeing how the proto comes out!
The reason I’m concerned is that I had a random KPRepublic HHKB case which had a similar “not sufficient” amount of mounting points.

This resulted in corners of the plate being softer and bend into the inner side of the case, doing scratchy weird metal to metal sound.

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« Reply #11 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 11:58:02 »
Interested!
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« Reply #12 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 12:01:39 »
Interested!

if you get boost to come out of whatever cave he hides in that's as good an endorsement as any
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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 12:07:12 »
Please consider adding white.

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« Reply #14 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 12:23:11 »
At a sub 300 price point this is a no brainer purchase

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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 14:40:38 »
Amount of mount points on the plate looks a bit concerning. But we’ll see :)

i'm keyboard design dilettante, but i'd agree and would postulate that the side mounts may provide a bit of extra, non-uniform stiffness. not sure how much that would really affect the typing experience, though. either way, this looks nice and i'm interested in seeing how the proto comes out!

This plate in theory should provide a lot of flex. The mounting points on each side are there to stop too much ‘flop’ - the prototype will provide more answers!


Interested!

if you get boost to come out of whatever cave he hides in that's as good an endorsement as any

Thanks for the endorsement :thumb:


Amount of mount points on the plate looks a bit concerning. But we’ll see :)

i'm keyboard design dilettante, but i'd agree and would postulate that the side mounts may provide a bit of extra, non-uniform stiffness. not sure how much that would really affect the typing experience, though. either way, this looks nice and i'm interested in seeing how the proto comes out!
The reason I’m concerned is that I had a random KPRepublic HHKB case which had a similar “not sufficient” amount of mounting points.

This resulted in corners of the plate being softer and bend into the inner side of the case, doing scratchy weird metal to metal sound.

There should be enough space for this not to happen. I’ll be sure to look out for this with the prototype. Good to know!


cool looking plate, how does it work in practice?

The design should allow the plate to have a good amount of flex. There are two plates for anyone who would like something more rigid.


Please consider adding white.

For this first small batch I’d like to keep the colours I’ve already chosen. Maybe i'll try something in white in the future.


At a sub 300 price point this is a no brainer purchase

This price point is only an aim and may not be possible, especially in a small batch. If its not possible to keep it below $300 hopefully it doesn’t need to be something ridiculous.





Some questions from the IC form.

Hotswap?

Not for this project, sorry.


ISO?

The PCB does actually support ISO but i haven't made a plate to support it. If there is enough demand it's not a problem to provide. I'd also be happy to put the plate files on Github if the demand was too little to justify having them made.


Left hand USB cutout for standard PCB support?

I think this design suits a center position USB and was designed like that from the start. https://maartenwut.com was also kind enough to edit his current 60% PCB design to suit my needs.  :D


Thank you for the feedback and questions! I'll have some more updates at the end of the week when the first prototype arrives!


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« Reply #16 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 15:02:47 »
too classy man  :p :-*
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« Reply #17 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 16:52:35 »
Interested!

if you get boost to come out of whatever cave he hides in that's as good an endorsement as any

hahah, I haven't been excited about a custom keyboard in a longgg time but this is a must for me!
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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 18:37:52 »
This is interesting...

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« Reply #19 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 19:25:46 »
 :-X Forgot to ask about ISO on the IC

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« Reply #20 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 19:46:45 »
:-X Forgot to ask about ISO on the IC

Pffft ISO...Lmaoooooo




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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 21:14:07 »
I like it, but feel that a lot of keyboards these days you wouldn't know what brand/name keyboard it is without looking at the bottom. Would be nice to have a subtle logo/name on the side? Or have some design aesthetic that one could know it's the "gaff" just from the side or top profile. Maybe just me. My humble $0.02.
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« Reply #22 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 21:28:37 »
Insta buy if it's available in other materials. HHKB have too many brass or aluminum cases IMO.

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« Reply #23 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 22:14:06 »
Now that's a clean looking 60%!  :eek: :thumb:

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« Reply #24 on: Thu, 21 May 2020, 02:24:08 »
Thank you to everyone who has filled out the google form. I've had some really great feedback and quite overwhelmed by the positive response!

I woke up early and wanted to answer a few more questions i received last night.



If the kit price is over $300 the group buy should be larger or unlimited to reduce the cost.

I want to keep the first batch small as to not overwhelm myself. At the moment I would like to do a batch of 15. If demand is much higher I may make it larger - this is hopefully something i can confirm in the next few days.


LED indicator.

No LEDs on this project, sorry.


Please DO NOT do FCFS, people can’t keep up with the bots.

Would a raffle be a better way to release? Maybe a vote on how they should be released?


A visible logo/brand so we know it's the "gaff.".

I’ve played with this idea a bit. I liked hiding the branding to keep the clean aesthetic. Maybe a small g. Logo on the far side above the USB?


Other materials?

I'm not going to add more materials to this first batch. I would like to do something with polycarbonate in the future though.
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« Reply #25 on: Thu, 21 May 2020, 22:37:12 »
Please DO NOT do FCFS, people can’t keep up with the bots.

Would a raffle be a better way to release? Maybe a vote on how they should be released?


Yes. Please do a raffle. It's the fairest way, and allows more people to participate.

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« Reply #26 on: Fri, 22 May 2020, 01:15:41 »
What would the limited quantity you're looking at and also would you offer more plate options like CF or FR4?

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« Reply #27 on: Fri, 22 May 2020, 05:49:31 »
Please DO NOT do FCFS, people can’t keep up with the bots.

Would a raffle be a better way to release? Maybe a vote on how they should be released?


Yes. Please do a raffle. It's the fairest way, and allows more people to participate.

Seems like there is a general consensus to release via a raffle system, so I’ve come up with a solution I think will work well.


What would the limited quantity you're looking at and also would you offer more plate options like CF or FR4?

For this first batch the only plate options will be the sprung and solid plate in Aluminium. Adding more options will make the kits more expensive and it’s already going to be a challenge to get the kits close to $300.

The original idea was to only run a limited batch of 15.
After getting a lot more support than anticipated, running just 15 slots is starting to seem like it may leave a large amount of people who want to get involved without the opportunity.

It would definitely be easier to get the price closer to the $300 mark with a larger batch. My main goal is to make a good quality product and have a successful group buy, I don’t want to put that in jeopardy just to meet a higher demand.
It’s still something I’m thinking about.

I mentioned a bit about this here - https://gaff.works/news

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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB
« Reply #28 on: Fri, 22 May 2020, 09:35:41 »
few questions and remarks...

will you have a prototype of both colors?
Would be nice to add a "G" at the bottom right or left corner. Looking at it from top down doesn't give any special difference from any other HHKB. I think a lot of people like myself enjoy a small front logo. Yes, i know obviously internals are different from others, i am specifically talking about aesthetics.

Also, keeping it limited to 15 and already mentioning a second round with larger quantity... wouldn't it be best to just wait for round two for most people. It will be cheaper due to more quantity and likely fix any issues you have with round one. It seems like the first round is kind of a prototype round to get ready for round 2 aka the real release. I love this keebs design but it just seems like a strange direction.
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« Reply #29 on: Fri, 22 May 2020, 09:47:09 »
few questions and remarks...

will you have a prototype of both colors?
Would be nice to add a "G" at the bottom right or left corner. Looking at it top down doesn't give any special difference from any other HHKB. I think a lot of people like myself enjoy a small front logo.

Also, keeping it limited to 15 and already mentioning a second round with larger quantity... wouldn't it be best to just wait for round two for most people. It will be cheaper due to more quantity and likely fix any issues you have with round one. It seems like the first round is kinda a prototype round to get ready for round 2 aka the real release. I love this keeb but it just seems like a strange direction to go through.


The prototype we're waiting on is in black as it was in production before the colours were picked. The second prototype will have both colours - one for the plate one for the case.

I've played with the idea of a logo on the corners but it never felt right, i'd like to keep it clean how it is now.

Keeping the batch small is just so I feel comfortable. A second round has only been an idea after having many people express their worry that they may miss out. It's a tough balancing act of keeping it something i can manage and having people not feel like they're missing out.

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« Reply #30 on: Fri, 22 May 2020, 09:53:54 »
few questions and remarks...

will you have a prototype of both colors?
Would be nice to add a "G" at the bottom right or left corner. Looking at it top down doesn't give any special difference from any other HHKB. I think a lot of people like myself enjoy a small front logo.

Also, keeping it limited to 15 and already mentioning a second round with larger quantity... wouldn't it be best to just wait for round two for most people. It will be cheaper due to more quantity and likely fix any issues you have with round one. It seems like the first round is kinda a prototype round to get ready for round 2 aka the real release. I love this keeb but it just seems like a strange direction to go through.


The prototype we're waiting on is in black as it was in production before the colours were picked. The second prototype will have both colours - one for the plate one for the case.

I've played with the idea of a logo on the corners but it never felt right, i'd like to keep it clean how it is now.

Keeping the batch small is just so I feel comfortable. A second round has only been an idea after having many people express their worry that they may miss out. It's a tough balancing act of keeping it something i can manage and having people not feel like they're missing out.

Yeah I feel you on that, its a fine line between wanting to help everyone and being able to handle it. Your design is beautiful so I'm definitely one of those hoping for more stock but I'd rather you do it comfortably rather than stressing out. I'll try for R1, but I might need to level up.
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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB
« Reply #31 on: Fri, 22 May 2020, 09:56:18 »
I'm definitely keeping an eye on this one. Unfortunately "very small limited batch" sounds like I'll be waiting for a round two to ship in 2022.

Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB
« Reply #32 on: Fri, 22 May 2020, 13:12:05 »
Well, looking at board name and your userpic I assume that origami unicorn will be the best logo for this board.Somewhere over USB port cutout.
You can use the same picture as on Laser keyset novelty, I guess.

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« Reply #33 on: Fri, 22 May 2020, 13:18:58 »
Well, looking at board name and your userpic I assume that origami unicorn will be the best logo for this board.Somewhere over USB port cutout.
You can use the same picture as on Laser keyset novelty, I guess.

 ;D
I love this idea!! I think the origami unicorn may be too complicated for such a small space though. Perhaps using the unicorn on something else could be cool.
Thanks!

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« Reply #34 on: Fri, 22 May 2020, 16:27:20 »
Well, it fitted ok on GMK keycap and AFAIK molds are CNC machined, so with proper size end mill it is possible. However, it will make the price a bit higher.


That's the original origami unicorn used in GMK Laser, btw:




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« Reply #35 on: Sat, 23 May 2020, 06:54:14 »
Well, it fitted ok on GMK keycap and AFAIK molds are CNC machined, so with proper size end mill it is possible. However, it will make the price a bit higher.


That's the original origami unicorn used in GMK Laser, btw:

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I love this. Will definitely have to do something with it in the future.
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« Reply #36 on: Sun, 24 May 2020, 14:54:57 »
Revisiting this IC today and it looks so clean.

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« Reply #37 on: Mon, 25 May 2020, 12:25:00 »
The first prototype has now reached Europe, it should arrive in the next few days.

I've made some changes to the flex plate for the second prototype. I've changed the placement of the 'bridges' along the bottom row to allow better flex for the spacebar. I've also decreased the size of the flex cuts from 2mm to 1mm, in turn increasing the width of the outer edge.



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« Reply #38 on: Mon, 25 May 2020, 12:38:01 »
The inner chamfer looks a little large. Do you have any renders with keycaps? I'm curious to see if the inner chamfer exaggerates the appearance of the gap between the caps and the sides of the board.

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« Reply #39 on: Mon, 25 May 2020, 12:58:08 »
The inner chamfer looks a little large. Do you have any renders with keycaps? I'm curious to see if the inner chamfer exaggerates the appearance of the gap between the caps and the sides of the board.
Its 7mm from the top of the plate to the top of the case. The inner chamfer is 1mm.
I don't have any renders with caps at the moment - i'll try do some!

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« Reply #40 on: Tue, 26 May 2020, 12:16:52 »
Prototype!
The first prototype arrived today, heres some quick photos of it.
I'll be able to get some better photos and videos next week.









https://i.imgur.com/81IEG8e.gif

https://i.imgur.com/fYIiSlk.gif

- Machining and finish quality.
Not great, the attention to detail and finish is far below what I want. The manufacturer has clearly cut some corners. I've already spoken with another manufacturer that has been recommended to me. Hopefully the second prototype comes out better in this aspect.

- Case design.
The case has already changed a bit from when this prototype went into production, notably the weight and spaces for the silicone feet.
I've already moved the bottom mounting screws in a fair bit as they're far too close to the edge, i think this looks awful.
Apart from that i'm happy with the overall design and aesthetic.

- Plate (the main event).
I think the plate came out better than I had thought. However it will still need some changes.
It has a good flex to it, more than i actually want.
The outer edge is too thin, it bends in my finger way too easily. I've already changed this on the latest design as it was something I feared.
I've made some more changes to the plate to lessen the flex slightly.



I'd love to hear any thoughts and advice on the new plate design before I get the new prototype into production.

Cheers.
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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB
« Reply #41 on: Tue, 26 May 2020, 12:29:39 »
Man that looks exciting!

One quick question about the sides of the plate. Would that position allow the flex to occur somewhat evenly? Since the plate is not rectangular and mounting points don't align, as would occur for a hhkb style. I'm not knowledgeable about plate design but could you give methe reasoning behind those cuts and mounting points like why the sides are so narrow and sparse?
Thanks 

PS That color is really pretty
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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB
« Reply #42 on: Tue, 26 May 2020, 12:34:17 »
Very nice, GLWIC
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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB
« Reply #43 on: Tue, 26 May 2020, 12:39:56 »
Man that looks exciting!

One quick question about the sides of the plate. Would that position allow the flex to occur somewhat evenly? Since the plate is not rectangular and mounting points don't align, as would occur for a hhkb style. I'm not knowledgeable about plate design but could you give methe reasoning behind those cuts and mounting points like why the sides are so narrow and sparse?
Thanks 

PS That color is really pretty

I've left the two side mounting point to sort of act as 'anchors', fearing without them the plate would have too much movement. They're centered to the whole plate and don't take into account the missing corners with the thought being you're still using the full height of the plate even without the corners. I've changed the cuts on the bottom row to allow the spacebar a better flex, and i've removed the outer edges on the corners because i don't think they're doing much at all based on the prototype.

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« Reply #44 on: Tue, 26 May 2020, 12:46:33 »
Man that looks exciting!

One quick question about the sides of the plate. Would that position allow the flex to occur somewhat evenly? Since the plate is not rectangular and mounting points don't align, as would occur for a hhkb style. I'm not knowledgeable about plate design but could you give methe reasoning behind those cuts and mounting points like why the sides are so narrow and sparse?
Thanks 

PS That color is really pretty

I've left the two side mounting point to sort of act as 'anchors', fearing without them the plate would have too much movement. They're centered to the whole plate and don't take into account the missing corners with the thought being you're still using the full height of the plate even without the corners. I've changed the cuts on the bottom row to allow the spacebar a better flex, and i've removed the outer edges on the corners because i don't think they're doing much at all based on the prototype.
Ahhh that makes sense. Comparing the updated design to the prototype I can somewhat see what you mean. I'm definitely curious to see how the updated design fares. Would you happen to have pics of the inside of the bottom piece? I was hoping to see what it looked like if you had the weight and stuff.
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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB
« Reply #45 on: Tue, 26 May 2020, 16:38:13 »
Looks like a very nice project! Following for sure  :)
Are the manufacturers also in the UK?

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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB
« Reply #46 on: Tue, 26 May 2020, 16:57:13 »
Looks like a very nice project! Following for sure  :)
Are the manufacturers also in the UK?

The prototyping is being done in China at the moment, i've also been talking to manufacturers in the EU. I'd like to do it all the EU, just have to weigh up pricing at the moment.
Unfortunately i don't think it's going to be possible to keep the base kit price below $300 dollars either way.  :(

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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB
« Reply #47 on: Tue, 26 May 2020, 17:13:18 »
Looks like a very nice project! Following for sure  :)
Are the manufacturers also in the UK?

The prototyping is being done in China at the moment, i've also been talking to manufacturers in the EU. I'd like to do it all the EU, just have to weigh up pricing at the moment.
Unfortunately i don't think it's going to be possible to keep the base kit price below $300 dollars either way.  :(

I see, thanks! Looking forward to the development  :)

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« Reply #48 on: Wed, 27 May 2020, 09:36:44 »
Very nice design, so hard to find options like these with hot swap pcbs

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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB
« Reply #49 on: Wed, 27 May 2020, 16:30:16 »
Looks like a very nice project! Following for sure  :)
Are the manufacturers also in the UK?

The prototyping is being done in China at the moment, i've also been talking to manufacturers in the EU. I'd like to do it all the EU, just have to weigh up pricing at the moment.
Unfortunately i don't think it's going to be possible to keep the base kit price below $300 dollars either way.  :(

Will the GB production units be shipped directly from China or from the UK?

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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB
« Reply #50 on: Wed, 27 May 2020, 16:43:12 »
Looks like a very nice project! Following for sure  :)
Are the manufacturers also in the UK?

The prototyping is being done in China at the moment, i've also been talking to manufacturers in the EU. I'd like to do it all the EU, just have to weigh up pricing at the moment.
Unfortunately i don't think it's going to be possible to keep the base kit price below $300 dollars either way.  :(

Will the GB production units be shipped directly from China or from the UK?

i'd hope from the UK so that QC is done by the runner
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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB
« Reply #51 on: Thu, 28 May 2020, 03:32:51 »
Very nice design, so hard to find options like these with hot swap pcbs

Thanks! This doesn't support hotswap unfortunately.

Looks like a very nice project! Following for sure  :)
Are the manufacturers also in the UK?

The prototyping is being done in China at the moment, i've also been talking to manufacturers in the EU. I'd like to do it all the EU, just have to weigh up pricing at the moment.
Unfortunately i don't think it's going to be possible to keep the base kit price below $300 dollars either way.  :(

Will the GB production units be shipped directly from China or from the UK?

They'll be shipped from me in the UK. We're still not sure if production will be in China or inside the EU.
I know having them shipping from the UK to people in the US isn't ideal but i wouldn't feel comfortable shipping a product direct from China without doing my own QC.



Here's a copy of the latest update from the site.

Pricing and Availability.
After the interest and feedback received, we’ve decided to double the batch size to 30 units. Hopefully doing this ensures people who want to be involved won’t miss out. Unfortunately, we have under estimated the cost per unit for a small batch and won’t be able to meet our intended price point. Each base kit will cost $400. This includes the case, plate, weight, and all necessary hardware. Shipping costs will depend on location and will be calculated at checkout.
These prices ensure we can run the group buy without taking a loss and continue to deliver future planned projects. Although we couldn’t meet our original intended price we'll still be able to deliver a high quality product at a reasonably low price considering the small batch quantity and materials.
Offering multiple colour choices and extra features like custom silicone feet and an internal brass weight make the cost per unit much higher with a small batch.

Changes and Improvements.
We’re still waiting for first prototype PCBs to land, but after receiving the first prototype case we’ve made multiple design changes for the second one.
Hopefully the second prototype goes into production next week.
We had some issues with our first manufacturer regarding the machining and finish quality, so we’ve moved to another company we’re hoping to use for the final production.

- Sprung Plate
We’ve changed the sprung plate slightly to lessen the flex. The edge channel has been reduces from 2mm to 1mm, and the outer edges around the corners have been removed as they seemed to have little effect. The bridges below the bottom row have been changed to allow the spacebar to have a more even feel.

- Base Plate.
We’ve added four extra screws to the base plate to help with acoustics. The size of the silicone feet has been tweaked slightly for aesthetic reasons.












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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB
« Reply #52 on: Thu, 04 June 2020, 07:45:07 »
PCBs arrived with Maarten today.
Production PCBs will be black, not white.

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« Reply #53 on: Thu, 04 June 2020, 23:25:08 »
This looks absolutely stunning. Even the use of Le Monde Livre – very classy. Hoping I can get in on this!

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« Reply #54 on: Fri, 05 June 2020, 02:02:21 »
Please keep us updated about future, possibly larger runs when r1 is in the wild? Good luck with the initial run.

I’m new to this hobby, and I need to have a timeline a few months out to manage my budget. At the moment I’ve imposed a no more new boards moratorium on myself, I’m just buying switches, stabs and caps for what I already ordered and one or two other boards.


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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB | Proto no.2 photos!
« Reply #55 on: Tue, 23 June 2020, 05:13:54 »
I've update the post with new prototype photos.

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« Reply #56 on: Tue, 23 June 2020, 05:17:29 »
Hoping to get in on this as it is the only group buy from the UK and I love the board, so my shipping costs will be reduced as I'm also in the UK!

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« Reply #57 on: Tue, 23 June 2020, 05:52:38 »
I see Dundee, I approve (Y)

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« Reply #58 on: Tue, 23 June 2020, 06:35:34 »
Hoping to get in on this as it is the only group buy from the UK and I love the board, so my shipping costs will be reduced as I'm also in the UK!

Also in the U.K, it's almost unheard of to have an opportunity to buy locally haha!

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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB | Proto no.2 photos!
« Reply #59 on: Thu, 25 June 2020, 05:07:47 »
The second prototype arrived a lot faster than expected!
Machining and finishing quality is a lot better than the last manufacturer.
The new plate design is vastly improved. Big thanks to Crokto for helping with that.
I'm still waiting on some switches to arrive to build this up, hopefully before the end of the week.
The custom moulded feet are still at least a week away.





















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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB | Proto no.2 photos!
« Reply #60 on: Thu, 25 June 2020, 05:08:59 »
The colour of the prototype looks beautiful!

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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB | Proto no.2 photos!
« Reply #61 on: Thu, 25 June 2020, 05:10:57 »
The colour of the prototype looks beautiful!
I'm really pleased with how the colours came out. I think they work really well together. I definitely want a full grey one.

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« Reply #62 on: Thu, 25 June 2020, 06:20:21 »
The colour of the prototype looks beautiful!
I'm really pleased with how the colours came out. I think they work really well together. I definitely want a full grey one.

Really looking forward to the grey, as that's the one I'm hoping to purchase. Hopefully I'm able to get in on this, I've even bought a keycap set for it!

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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB | Proto no.2 photos!
« Reply #63 on: Thu, 25 June 2020, 08:05:49 »
Oh wow, this can be GSKT redemption. Excited for this!

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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB | Proto no.2 photos!
« Reply #64 on: Thu, 25 June 2020, 13:07:36 »
The colour of the prototype looks beautiful!
I'm really pleased with how the colours came out. I think they work really well together. I definitely want a full grey one.

Really looking forward to the grey, as that's the one I'm hoping to purchase. Hopefully I'm able to get in on this, I've even bought a keycap set for it!

Nice! What set?

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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB | Proto no.2 photos!
« Reply #65 on: Thu, 25 June 2020, 13:12:25 »
The colour of the prototype looks beautiful!
I'm really pleased with how the colours came out. I think they work really well together. I definitely want a full grey one.

Really looking forward to the grey, as that's the one I'm hoping to purchase. Hopefully I'm able to get in on this, I've even bought a keycap set for it!

Nice! What set?

Modern Dolch 2 and I'm about to grab GMK Rouge because I think the contrast between grey/purpleish-pink will look nice!

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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB | Proto no.2 photos!
« Reply #66 on: Thu, 25 June 2020, 13:14:32 »
The colour of the prototype looks beautiful!
I'm really pleased with how the colours came out. I think they work really well together. I definitely want a full grey one.

Really looking forward to the grey, as that's the one I'm hoping to purchase. Hopefully I'm able to get in on this, I've even bought a keycap set for it!

Nice! What set?

Modern Dolch 2 and I'm about to grab GMK Rouge because I think the contrast between grey/purpleish-pink will look nice!

Yeah, Modern Dolch 2 will work perfect with the grey.

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« Reply #67 on: Thu, 25 June 2020, 18:06:15 »
Really looking forward to this. That grey is really nice. Hopefully i can get one. I have a few keysets in mind if i do manage. Really excited.

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« Reply #68 on: Thu, 25 June 2020, 20:32:50 »
absolutely loving the colour on that second prototype case

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« Reply #69 on: Mon, 29 June 2020, 08:35:26 »
Yo this keeb is beaut! Got my GMK Oblivion git base + hagoromo alphas ready!

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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB | Proto no.2 photos!
« Reply #70 on: Mon, 29 June 2020, 08:37:30 »
Yo this keeb is beaut! Got my GMK Oblivion git base + hagoromo alphas ready!
Yeah, GMK Oblivion will look great on the grey.

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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB | Typing test!
« Reply #71 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 12:42:18 »
Typing test with Gateron black inks lubed with Krytox 205g0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13zkQQuMaFo





Sorry for the mobile quality.

Pencilling July 12th for the raffle.  :thumb:
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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB | Typing test!
« Reply #72 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 13:08:23 »
That's a really good color match for Dots.

Typing test with Gateron black inks lubed with Krytox 205g0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13zkQQuMaFo
Nice Royal Oak!
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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB | Typing test!
« Reply #73 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 13:26:07 »
That's a really good color match for Dots.

Typing test with Gateron black inks lubed with Krytox 205g0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13zkQQuMaFo
Nice Royal Oak!

Yeah, the colour match was totally by mistake!

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« Reply #74 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 14:19:56 »
Loving that blue!

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« Reply #75 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 17:12:19 »
Omg its even better looking assembled! I dont even like GMK dots but on this keeb its amazing!

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« Reply #76 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 17:13:09 »
Omg its even better looking assembled! I dont even like GMK dots but on this keeb its amazing!

Also, is this the spring plate in the video?

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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB | Typing test!
« Reply #77 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 17:20:53 »
Omg its even better looking assembled! I dont even like GMK dots but on this keeb its amazing!

Also, is this the spring plate in the video?
Sorry i should have mentioned that. This is with the sprung plate.

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« Reply #78 on: Tue, 30 June 2020, 18:14:54 »
I'm actually so excited!!! Hopefully the RNG gods shine down on me. I wish there was a way in which supporters of a GB from an early stage were able to get the board before an open raffle. So many people just tell friends and they win and flip the board :(
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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB | Typing test!
« Reply #79 on: Wed, 01 July 2020, 07:25:39 »
Small update about the raffle! https://gaff.works/news

The raffle will be help on July 10th!
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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB | Typing test!
« Reply #80 on: Wed, 01 July 2020, 22:24:23 »
Small update about the raffle! https://gaff.works/news

The raffle will be help on July 10th!
What time and time zone on 10th are we talking about? GMT?

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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB | Typing test!
« Reply #81 on: Fri, 03 July 2020, 13:55:31 »
Small update about the raffle! https://gaff.works/news

The raffle will be help on July 10th!
What time and time zone on 10th are we talking about? GMT?
I'm not sure about the time zone at the moment. I want to make sure its up long enough that people in all time zones can enter.

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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB | Typing test!
« Reply #82 on: Sat, 04 July 2020, 14:52:28 »
Digging the sound test and w/o any foam layers too eh. Can't wait. That UK to Asia shipping gonna be killer though. One step at a time—RNG first =)

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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB | Typing test!
« Reply #83 on: Mon, 06 July 2020, 13:40:01 »
Custom moulded feet samples came today :thumb:


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Re: [IC] gaff. 60 - HHKB | Typing test!
« Reply #84 on: Mon, 06 July 2020, 14:29:27 »
What's the fully-built weight?

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« Reply #85 on: Mon, 06 July 2020, 14:34:28 »
What's the fully-built weight?
Its 1.6kg