IBM G70 CRT (my analysis)

[instantkamera]

And for the environmentally conscious of you out there, I'll be sure to recycle what's left of it after I scrape it out of the lift shaft...

Must remember to bring a dustpan and brush.

Who cares, EIBM will be offsetting your carbon footprint by running this power hungry piece of **** till it rots his eyes out or explodes in his face.

[gr1m]

or everyone else has a bad visual IQ.

Let me a tell you a story about a guy named Bob.

One day, Bob was driving home on the freeway while his wife was at home watching TV and waiting for Bob to arrive. All of a sudden, she saw a news report that there was an alleged maniac on the freeway driving in the wrong direction. She's worried that Bob might get hurt and calls him on his cellphone. Bob answers the cellphone and his wife says, "Bob, sweetie, be careful, apparently there's a maniac driving in the wrong direction on the freeway!"

Bod replies, "Honey, they're ALL driving in the wrong direction!"

[instantkamera]

English isn't your native language.

So you don't understand me? That's why you have chosen to ignore all arguments backed by fact in favour of changing the subject and blind zealotry.

TABARNAK!

[InSanCen]

Who cares, EIBM will be offsetting your carbon footprint by running this power hungry piece of **** till it rots his eyes out or explodes in his face.

Made my day... thanking you muchly for that!

[instantkamera]

let me a tell you a story about a guy named bob.

One day, bob was driving home on the freeway while his wife was at home watching tv and waiting for bob to arrive. All of a sudden, she saw a news report that there was an alleged maniac on the freeway driving in the wrong direction. She's worried that bob might get hurt and calls him on his cellphone. Bob answers the cellphone and his wife says, "bob, sweetie, be careful, apparently there's a maniac driving in the wrong direction on the freeway!"

bod replies, "honey, they're all driving in the wrong direction!"

rawfullmajo

[hyperlinked]

My stupid filter is on so I don't see EIBM's messages, but since everyone's quoting him, I'll begrudgingly lend a little credence to what he's saying. It's possible for one person to notice nothing wrong with a CRT image and another person staring at the same image to be so bothered by it that he can't look at it. The flicker rate is the same for both, but your physiology affects how you perceive the screen's image.

It doesn't mean that 60Hz is good enough for him though. It means he can tolerate it just fine, but even when you don't see the flicker, your brain is working harder to fuse the images so everyone will eventually fatigue and see some flicker or at least have to stop from fatiguing. If you work fine under 60Hz, you can work fine for longer under 75Hz and so forth.

Another interesting experiment in the dumb flicker tricks category is to stare at a fluorescent light bulb when you're well rested and then stare at it after you've been up without sleep for 24 hours. You might be able to spot some flicker you couldn't see before or it'll be much more pronounced. This is for the same reason you're more likely to see CRT flicker when you're tired.

Flicker is "noise" and your brain can filter it out, but it takes energy to do so. If you're smart, you divert your energy toward more productive things than filtering out noise.

[EverythingIBM]

Who cares, EIBM will be offsetting your carbon footprint by running this power hungry piece of **** till it rots his eyes out or explodes in his face.

I never had any issues with my IBM stuff, it'll keep working just fine.

So you don't understand me? That's why you have chosen to ignore all arguments backed by fact in favour of changing the subject and blind zealotry.

Technically a person who is a zealot goes insane and angry. Or in some cases, feels to inflict physical damage to something they don't like -- such as G70 CRTs. I'll say one thing: it'll be one hard monitor to break. It's not made cheaply, nor is it poor quality. And I think they can actually support 120Hz.

[gr1m]

It's not made cheaply, nor is it poor quality.

cause it ain't made in China!

[microsoft windows]

I have the same sensitivity to low refresh rates. A 60Hz CRT refresh rate for a few hours will literally make my eyes feel like they've been punched. Low refresh rates were really bad for my productivity. I always made sure to spend some extra money for the nicer monitors.

You can get just about any monitor to run at 60Hz with little noticeable flickering. With old monitors, I turn down the contrast a bit and it makes a big difference in the flickering. Try it next time you're using a flickery CRT.

[instantkamera]

I never had any issues with my IBM stuff, it'll keep working just fine.


Technically a person who is a zealot goes insane and angry. Or in some cases, feels to inflict physical damage to something they don't like -- such as G70 CRTs. I'll say one thing: it'll be one hard monitor to break. It's not made cheaply, nor is it poor quality. And I think they can actually support 120Hz.

Technically:

zeal·ot  (zlt)
n.
1.
a. One who is zealous, especially excessively so.
b. A fanatically committed person.

and:

zealous [ˈzɛləs]
adj
filled with or inspired by intense enthusiasm or zeal; ardent; fervent

and:

zeal  (zl)
n.
Enthusiastic devotion to a cause, ideal, or goal and tireless diligence in its furtherance. See Synonyms at passion.

No mention of insanity or anger. Sorry to have proven you wrong. It being your language and all, I would have thought you had a much firmer grasp on it's usage.

Now then. You continue to use what ever you damn well please, I really don't care. The thing is, you can dream up all kinds of reasons why you want/continue to use a given product, but the best, and SAFEST reason is because YOU want to. See, this way you avoid coming off as a dolt, and other people don't feel the need to shield the rest of the internet from nonsense.

Subjective statements are fine, because they can always be backed by any argument you want. The minute you start presenting them as fact, you had better be prepared to back that **** up.

Now go forth ... and ... **** it, continue to wreak havoc. It really is the best bang for our internet-entertainment buck.

[EverythingIBM]

Thanks, actually, I was going to reply saying that as much as I'd enjoy to see it oblitered I couldn't enjoy it knowing it may be placed in a trash bin rather than sent to the appropriate place...

Ultimately it's one monitor out of however many people set on top of hills for target practice with, but if everyone has the "only one" mentality then it's a whole bunch more than "only one" which isn't so good.

I have a G70 available to me locally at the same place as a high school auto shop 'shop car' Cutlass Supreme like so:

I wonder...can I combine these two elements for great win?

You should really try the monitor out rather than accuse me and say it's bad. It most certainly isn't. All the people I asked said they couldn't see flickering on it.

I think webwit had a lot of sense now.

[microsoft windows]

I never had any issues with my IBM stuff, it'll keep working just fine.



Technically a person who is a zealot goes insane and angry. Or in some cases, feels to inflict physical damage to something they don't like -- such as G70 CRTs. I'll say one thing: it'll be one hard monitor to break. It's not made cheaply, nor is it poor quality. And I think they can actually support 120Hz.

Do you know what resolutions it can support 120Hz at?

But that does sound like a pretty good monitor, hearing that it cost over $600. I've got a Gateway2000-branded Trinitron tube from 1996 which can handle pretty good refresh rates. The monitor itself is kind of ugly and beat-up, but it displays a pretty good quality image.

[microsoft windows]

You got to realize that these monitors are old. When things get old, some are in better shape than others. I think EverythingIBM turned out to be lucky and got one in good shape. I know I had a Dell-branded Trinitron from 1997 that was plain awful. But I traded it for a Gateway2000-branded Trinitron from '96 and the Gateway one is much better. They both are basically the same monitor, but the Dell one was the "sucky" one. You might be in a similar situation. Just because that old Dell one stunk didn't mean all the old Trinitrons stunk.

[hyperlinked]

I couldn't enjoy it knowing it may be placed in a trash bin rather than sent to the appropriate place...

I know. What an awful way to disgrace a trash bin.

[EverythingIBM]

Technically:
No mention of insanity or anger. Sorry to have proven you wrong. It being your language and all, I would have thought you had a much firmer grasp on it's usage.

You mean ITS usage, "it's" stands for "it is," when you say "it is usage," it sounds very odd.

Being a zealot does constitute insanity -- to the point of becoming in a religious state and bloodthirsty for a cause. What I said was correct, you're just trying to find my exact synonyms.

Here's the entrances for "zealot" under Webster's 1828 dictionary:

zealot

ZEALOT, n. Zelot. One who engages warmly in any cause, and pursues his object with earnestness and ardor. It is generally used in dispraise, or applied to one whose ardor in intemperate and censurable. The fury of zealots was one cause of the destruction of Jerusalem.

Do you know what resolutions it can support 120Hz at?

But that does sound like a pretty good monitor, hearing that it cost over $600. I've got a Gateway2000-branded Trinitron tube from 1996 which can handle pretty good refresh rates. The monitor itself is kind of ugly and beat-up, but it displays a pretty good quality image.

Probably 1280x1024 maximum if it's possible. Win98 doesn't give me the listing for 120hz though (it just gives me the same generic list for any CRT).

Webwit, with all due respect, would have smacked you around this place so hard with his e-penis it would have genuinely not been funny by the time he was done. Your IBM fanboyism is maddening. We all have preferences and sometimes our preferences are for inferior things...the difference is others are willing to admit they prefer inferior things whereas you say "LOL IBM IS DA BEST DOOD" which is rather irritating.

I built the computer the G70 is currently on and spent hours behind (in front of?) that thing playing with configuration options trying to get it to stop sucking. It just didn't wanna play nice so I left it there at 1024x768x32 at 70Hz.

To webwit I was more of a neutral entity.
I could say people gorging themselves with modern technology is maddening too... ipads... ipods... dells... macs... hps... consumerism chaos.

When you say to make it "stop sucking" that's so generic. I easily configured mine the way I wanted. It's almost effortless with all the digital buttons at the bottom. No time wasted flipping through menus. The only thing I haven't been able to do is force windows 98 to show 120Hz, I think it could be the graphics card though.

[EverythingIBM]

120Hz would require a decent graphics card and appropriate monitor driver.

I'll try hooking it up to a win7 computer and trying it out later some day... 120Hz is impressive for an older monitor. Seems kind of useless seeing as most computers in 1995 couldn't even support that (unless IBM was waiting for people in 2010 to run it in 120Hz).

[instantkamera]

You mean ITS usage, "it's" stands for "it is," when you say "it is usage," it sounds very odd.

I sit corrected, a mere typo, I assure you.

Being a zealot does constitute insanity -- to the point of becoming in a religious state and bloodthirsty for a cause. What I said was correct, you're just trying to find my exact synonyms.
...

Then you SHOULD have said:

Technically a person who is a zealot [can become] insane and angry.

As, while those behaviours ARE attributable to zealousness, they are by no means implied.

Probably 1280x1024 maximum if it's possible. Win98 doesn't give me the listing for 120hz though (it just gives me the same generic list for any CRT).

I thought you said 1024x768 was the MAX res for this monitor?

I could say people gorging themselves with modern technology is maddening too... ipads... ipods... dells... macs... hps... consumerism chaos.

For once I might agree with you.

When you say to make it "stop sucking" that's so generic. I easily configured mine the way I wanted. It's almost effortless with all the digital buttons at the bottom. No time wasted flipping through menus. The only thing I haven't been able to do is force windows 98 to show 120Hz, I think it could be the graphics card though.

Clearly you have lower visual standards than the rest of us...

[EverythingIBM]

I thought you said 1024x768 was the MAX res for this monitor?
Clearly you have lower visual standards than the rest of us...

Lenovo's wonderful butchered web listing was confusing me, I did have it running in 1280x1024 on my thinkpad -- I just thought maybe somehow I was wrong. And yeah it does 120Hz:


There was no distortion either, I think the video drivers on my 300PL were just whacked (that or the S3 integrated gfx card). I never installed half of the stuff correctly because I was too lazy and am going to get a better one with a pentium 1 processor.

But to be honest, 120Hz and 60Hz look exactly the same to me.

[instantkamera]

Lenovo's wonderful butchered web listing was confusing me, I did have it running in 1280x1024 on my thinkpad -- I just thought maybe somehow I was wrong. And yeah it does 120Hz:

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There was no distortion either, I think the video drivers on my 300PL were just whacked (that or the S3 integrated gfx card). I never installed half of the stuff correctly because I was too lazy and am going to get a better one with a pentium 1 processor.

But to be honest, 120Hz and 60Hz look exactly the same to me.

120Hz at what res? certainly not the aforementioned 1280x1024...

[EverythingIBM]

120Hz at what res? certainly not the aforementioned 1280x1024...

Yep it does 1280x1024 at 120hz, here's a screenshot:


Impressive... I myself didn't think it was capable of it.

EDIT: I should add that it also displays support for well past 120Hz... but heh, I don't want to break it. It's going to stay running in 60Hz at 640x480 for the rest of its existence.

[instantkamera]

Yep it does 1280x1024 at 120hz, here's a screenshot:

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Impressive... I myself didn't think it was capable of it.

EDIT: I should add that it also displays support for well past 120Hz... but heh, I don't want to break it. It's going to stay running in 60Hz at 640x480 for the rest of its existence.

Guaranteed that monitor is not being driven at that spec, regardless of what winders says.

Is there an OSD or any other way of seeing, on the monitor itself, what signal is fed?

I suppose it isn't impossible, but it is highly unlikely.

[EverythingIBM]

Guaranteed that monitor is not being driven at that spec, regardless of what winders says.

Is there an OSD or any other way of seeing, on the monitor itself, what signal is fed?

I suppose it isn't impossible, but it is highly unlikely.

Yes it is running at 120Hz in 1280x1024. If you have so many questions and doubts, go get yourself a G70. Otherwise I don't care, I have the thing in front of me and witnessed that it's a very nice prime monitor...
It has no OSD whatsoever, it's completely digital. It does have a colour diagnostic screen when unplugged however.

[instantkamera]

Yes it is running at 120Hz in 1280x1024. If you have so many questions and doubts, go get yourself a G70. Otherwise I don't care, I have the thing in front of me and witnessed that it's a very nice prime monitor...
It has no OSD whatsoever, it's completely digital. It does have a colour diagnostic screen when unplugged however.

Yeah I probably wont do that.

If it IS really RUNNING at that spec (a big if), then that ONE plus for a monitor that STILL isn't the best in the world, as you have clearly stated it to be.

I think it's great how you have ignored all previous comments containing proof of that fact. Are you even connected to the rest of the internet, or does your DNS server just round-robin between the IBM site and GH?

[D-EJ915]

EIBM's role model:

[instantkamera]

EIBM's role model:

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Clearly not g70s. Clearly NOT achieving desired liftoff.

[instantkamera]

'Digital' could and would in most cases include an OSD, but that's beside the point.

truf.

The graphics card will do what the driver tells it. As much as I hate to say this, if the monitor couldn't handle 120Hz, it would be displaying a mess of garbage...

Yes, but the monitor doesn't need to comply. However, anything is possible, and like I said, that would be a plus in my books.

Either way, still fairly generic ****.

[EverythingIBM]

Yeah I probably wont do that.

If it IS really RUNNING at that spec (a big if), then that ONE plus for a monitor that STILL isn't the best in the world, as you have clearly stated it to be.

I think it's great how you have ignored all previous comments containing proof of that fact. Are you even connected to the rest of the internet, or does your DNS server just round-robin between the IBM site and GH?

It's not a big if... it does run in that. Otherwise it wouldn't reset the tube each time when changing the Hz.

And it certainly was one of the best CRTs for 1995. I'm sure it's better than most CRTs even made today; I like seeing my old equipment surpassing new cheap consumer junk.

[EverythingIBM]

truf.

Yes, but the monitor doesn't need to comply. However, anything is possible, and like I said, that would be a plus in my books.

Either way, still fairly generic ****.

Generic? It has so many features not even found in most CRTs... if you actually analyzed it.

Clearly not g70s. Clearly NOT achieving desired liftoff.

I wasn't proclaiming the G70 to be *THE* one and only CRT -- I was simply stating the joy I had when discovering how nice this one was, for free too. I have C170 CRTs and an L190 LCD which I really really like. My favourite LCD too (weighs 20 pounds and metal plated).

[instantkamera]

Generic? It has so many features not even found in most CRTs... if you actually analyzed it.

I did, it doesn't.

I wasn't proclaiming the G70 to be *THE* one and only CRT -- I was simply stating the joy I had when discovering how nice this one was, for free too. I have C170 CRTs and an L190 LCD which I really really like. My favourite LCD too (weighs 20 pounds and metal plated).

Well you did actually state that the colour was perfect, and that one could not find better, but I'll give you the second part.

Enjoy it, you poor bastard. At least you get to have a laugh at all those PC users out there spending hard earned dollars for new **** (trust me, we're laughing back at you).

[EverythingIBM]

I did, it doesn't.

Well you did actually state that the colour was perfect, and that one could not find better, but I'll give you the second part.

Enjoy it, you poor bastard. At least you get to have a laugh at all those PC users out there spending hard earned dollars for new **** (trust me, we're laughing back at you).

I did buy a new CRT... cost about $200. The tube got dead pixels, when changing brightness it would shift. The picture is also very blurry.
I gave it away. Cheap chinese junk.

[gr1m]

I did buy a new CRT... cost about $200. The tube got dead pixels, when changing brightness it would shift. The picture is also very blurry.
I gave it away. Cheap chinese junk.

Buying 1996 hardware new in 2010 = bad idea.

[EverythingIBM]

Buying 1996 hardware new in 2010 = bad idea.

lol I got some mag innovision that looked like this (it's the only stock photo I could find, but unfortunately has a lascivious woman):


Got it from bestbuy in 2006 or 2007.

It's utter crap. Yeah, I think that stock image was the only well they could sell any.

[InSanCen]

Well, it's official. I am getting a new set of "Twins" once my next Bonus cheque arrives (Being a recession and all, It's kinda unpredictable). I've got a couple reserved for me. That being said, I suspect the "twins" from EIBM's stock photo would be more fun, I wonder if they have analogue knobs for adjustment?

[ch_123]

EIBM's role model:

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At least the CRTs might fall down and crush the guy. Then again, they could well bounce off his considerable belly.

[microsoft windows]

That looks more like my computer setup.

[instantkamera]

The tube got dead pixels

And a good morning to you, sir.

[microsoft windows]

lol I got some mag innovision that looked like this (it's the only stock photo I could find, but unfortunately has a lascivious woman):

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Got it from bestbuy in 2006 or 2007.

It's utter crap. Yeah, I think that stock image was the only well they could sell any.

I oughta do something. I'll change my avatar to a photo of an attractive woman and see how many hundred more visits my profile page will get.

[InSanCen]

I oughta do something. I'll change my avatar to a photo of an attractive women and see how many hundred more visits my profile page will get.

I suggest Jenna Jameson. If you're not familiar, Google will work wonders.

[D-EJ915]

And a good morning to you, sir.

:rofl: