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Offline Skok

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #100 on: Fri, 31 July 2020, 08:33:29 »
Any chance for UK ISO to be included in base??? What a set, well done

Yeah, I was planning on it. Could you point out the keys that I'm missing so that I can fix the base kit? It's been challenging to get the kitting right so I want to make sure I have everything correct. Thanks!

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #101 on: Fri, 31 July 2020, 09:04:22 »
The 6u space bar is off centered right? I mean, it should support all the 1800's out there.
As far as I know, all modern PCBs with 6u space (1800, 66-key, 60% etc.) support at least centered stem, but not all of them support off-centered stem. The reverse is true on OG 1800 Cherry PCBs, but probably not much else. Ideally the kit would include both 6u options, but if there's only room for one, I think centered stem is better.




I think the set has both; but, the space bars are not in alpha color. The Cherry 1800 PCB, when carrying 6u, is off centered.

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #102 on: Fri, 31 July 2020, 09:10:23 »
Any chance for UK ISO to be included in base??? What a set, well done

Yeah, I was planning on it. Could you point out the keys that I'm missing so that I can fix the base kit? It's been challenging to get the kitting right so I want to make sure I have everything correct. Thanks!

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #103 on: Fri, 31 July 2020, 09:27:18 »
Any chance for UK ISO to be included in base??? What a set, well done

Yeah, I was planning on it. Could you point out the keys that I'm missing so that I can fix the base kit? It's been challenging to get the kitting right so I want to make sure I have everything correct. Thanks!

ISO users are already a niche, adding specific keys for a niche within a niche and increasing the size of an already large base kit by 4+ is not a good idea, imo. Read this post.

That being said, it's not my place to argue the decisions you make as the designer of the set. If you want to add ISO-UK support to the base kit, these are the exact changes you need to make:
  • Add R1 1u
  • Add R1 1u 2"
  • Add R1 1u
  • Add R3 1u '@
  • Change R3 1u \| to #~
  • Change R4 1u <> to \|
But, again, I would advise staying with the current setup as it covers more ISO users with the least amount of keys, and also because all of the Nordic countries use that <> key.
« Last Edit: Fri, 31 July 2020, 09:29:10 by konstantin »

Offline Skok

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #104 on: Fri, 31 July 2020, 09:48:38 »
Any chance for UK ISO to be included in base??? What a set, well done

Yeah, I was planning on it. Could you point out the keys that I'm missing so that I can fix the base kit? It's been challenging to get the kitting right so I want to make sure I have everything correct. Thanks!

ISO users are already a niche, adding specific keys for a niche within a niche and increasing the size of an already large base kit by 4+ is not a good idea, imo. Read this post.

That being said, it's not my place to argue the decisions you make as the designer of the set. If you want to add ISO-UK support to the base kit, these are the exact changes you need to make:
  • Add R1 1u
  • Add R1 1u 2"
  • Add R1 1u
  • Add R3 1u '@
  • Change R3 1u \| to #~
  • Change R4 1u <> to \|
But, again, I would advise staying with the current setup as it covers more ISO users with the least amount of keys, and also because all of the Nordic countries use that <> key.

GMK Hammerhead had a very large base kit which included UK ISO support. My set also excludes the numpad from base so I assumed that gave me some leeway to support smaller niches in the base kit. If I'm wrong please tell me as I'm still learning all the minute details.

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #105 on: Fri, 31 July 2020, 10:52:18 »
GMK Hammerhead had a very large base kit which included UK ISO support. My set also excludes the numpad from base so I assumed that gave me some leeway to support smaller niches in the base kit. If I'm wrong please tell me as I'm still learning all the minute details.

Hammerhead's NA price is very much an outlier. A more appropriate comparison would be GMK Nord, which has a slightly smaller base kit than this, also numpadless, but is priced at $125 @ 500 MOQ, the same as Hammerhead's full base kit @ 250 MOQ. The difference is that GMK Nord uses double the amount of custom colors (8 vs 4). Another example would be GMK Fro.Yo, which uses one less custom color than this (4), but is priced at $135 @ 250 MOQ for a small numpadless base kit. Also GMK Rouge, with one more custom color (6), priced at $120 @ 250 MOQ for a very small numpadless base kit.

In summary, no numpad doesn't mean a cheap base kit. Custom colors play a large role, and you should still be careful about putting too many extra keys in base. You already have several large keys in there (three spacebars, soon to be four; two ISO Enters; a few extra Shifts...), accent arrows etc., and all of that adds up.

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« Last Edit: Fri, 31 July 2020, 11:06:51 by konstantin »

Offline Skok

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #106 on: Fri, 31 July 2020, 11:06:10 »
GMK Hammerhead had a very large base kit which included UK ISO support. My set also excludes the numpad from base so I assumed that gave me some leeway to support smaller niches in the base kit. If I'm wrong please tell me as I'm still learning all the minute details.

Hammerhead's NA price is very much an outlier. A more appropriate comparison would be GMK Nord, which has a slightly smaller base kit than this, also numpadless, but is priced at $125 @ 500 MOQ, the same as Hammerhead's full base kit @ 250 MOQ. Another example would be GMK Fro.Yo, which uses one less custom color than this, but is priced at $135 @ 250 MOQ for a small numpadless base kit. Also GMK Rouge, with one more custom color, priced at $120 @ 250 MOQ for a very small numpadless base kit.

In summary, no numpad doesn't mean a cheap base kit. Custom colors play a large role and you should still be careful about adding too many keys to the base kit. You already have several large keys in there (three spacebars, soon to be four; two ISO enters; a few extra Shifts...), and all of that adds up.

I'm most likely going to cut the beige spacebar from base and add to the spacebar kit after I fix its compatibility issues that were mentioned prior. I was also going to get rid of one or two of the extra shifts. I might swap one of the black RALs to stock CR. Thanks for the tips. Your comments have been imperative for fixing this sets issues.

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #107 on: Sat, 01 August 2020, 00:46:59 »
Im a bit doubtful about your runic novelites. Where did you get those translations from? Im no expert but from what I remember from school "Midgård" in old norse is spelled "Miþkarþ" (Midkard) not "Mitkrt", like it says on your enter key. Didnt check the others but reacted instantly to that one cause there atleast seems to be a letter missing (a) and youve swapped þ (d) for t for some reason?

Edit: like this
« Last Edit: Sat, 01 August 2020, 00:51:44 by mvhtnb »

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #108 on: Sat, 01 August 2020, 01:13:04 »
would you do an Viking related artisan too ? that would be amazing

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #109 on: Sat, 01 August 2020, 02:30:56 »
I like the new darker alphas.
« Last Edit: Sat, 01 August 2020, 02:32:33 by Techlet »

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #110 on: Sat, 01 August 2020, 09:05:15 »
Loving this set...I'm in for base and deskmat.

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #111 on: Sat, 01 August 2020, 11:56:40 »
Not a fan of the darker alphas. To me this set just looks like GMK WoB with some different mods slapped on to it. Completely changed the feel to me.

Offline Skok

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #112 on: Sat, 01 August 2020, 12:23:05 »
Not a fan of the darker alphas. To me this set just looks like GMK WoB with some different mods slapped on to it. Completely changed the feel to me.
I might change back to the old RAL. Its about 50/50 between people liking it vs not liking it. We'll see

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #113 on: Sat, 01 August 2020, 13:17:50 »
Not a fan of the darker alphas. To me this set just looks like GMK WoB with some different mods slapped on to it. Completely changed the feel to me.
I might change back to the old RAL. Its about 50/50 between people liking it vs not liking it. We'll see

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I also personally preferred the previous color, I feel like the darker alphas offset the desk mat in a negative way as there is little to no tan now.

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #114 on: Sat, 01 August 2020, 16:07:40 »
I also prefer the previous alpha color.

Offline Skok

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #115 on: Sat, 01 August 2020, 16:09:32 »
I also prefer the previous alpha color.
I've been thinking about it at work all day. It will most likely be returning.

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #116 on: Sat, 01 August 2020, 16:14:50 »
+1 for the old alpha color, I liked how it looked better than CR.

Assuming you will be moving the beige spacebars to a spacebar kit, the updated base kit looks good now, except for the R4 \| ISO key, which will need to be moved to R3.
« Last Edit: Sat, 01 August 2020, 16:18:11 by konstantin »

Offline Skok

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #117 on: Sat, 01 August 2020, 22:35:33 »
+1 for the old alpha color, I liked how it looked better than CR.

Assuming you will be moving the beige spacebars to a spacebar kit, the updated base kit looks good now, except for the R4 \| ISO key, which will need to be moved to R3.

Yeah old alpha color will be making a return. Either way I think it looks fantastic. Will also make that fix when I redo the renders.

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #118 on: Sat, 01 August 2020, 22:36:06 »
I also prefer the previous alpha color.
I've been thinking about it at work all day. It will most likely be returning.

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Great choice, the set lost a lot of character with the move to CR.

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #119 on: Sat, 01 August 2020, 22:40:02 »
I also prefer the previous alpha color.
I've been thinking about it at work all day. It will most likely be returning.

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Great choice, the set lost a lot of character with the move to CR.

Yeah, definitely a mistake but that's why we have Interests checks to figure out what everyone likes, and what everyone likes is the old color of the alphas lol.

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #120 on: Sat, 01 August 2020, 22:43:16 »
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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #121 on: Sat, 01 August 2020, 22:44:17 »
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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #122 on: Sun, 02 August 2020, 00:02:35 »
Definitely Interested! Looking forward to this!
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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #123 on: Sun, 02 August 2020, 00:42:15 »
I also prefer the previous alpha color.
I've been thinking about it at work all day. It will most likely be returning.

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Great choice, the set lost a lot of character with the move to CR.

Yeah, definitely a mistake but that's why we have Interests checks to figure out what everyone likes, and what everyone likes is the old color of the alphas lol.

I don't mean to criticize for the initial change, I'm sorry. I mean to congratulate you for undoing an unpopular change!

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #124 on: Sun, 02 August 2020, 14:15:04 »
Hows the interest been for runic alphas? Will it be sublegends most likely?

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #125 on: Sun, 02 August 2020, 15:27:49 »
Hows the interest been for runic alphas? Will it be sublegends most likely?
Leaning towards alphas.

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #126 on: Sun, 02 August 2020, 15:46:25 »
Hows the interest been for runic alphas? Will it be sublegends most likely?
I'll post the results from the google form in the next update. As of now alphas are leading by 15-20%

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #127 on: Sun, 02 August 2020, 15:59:24 »
cool set! Colors look great

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #128 on: Sun, 02 August 2020, 16:14:32 »
I love the colorway.
1. Is there a tentatie GB date for this?
2. Would love 2.25 + 2.75 spacebars in base kit for Alice compatability.

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #129 on: Sun, 02 August 2020, 16:45:18 »
I love the colorway.
1. Is there a tentatie GB date for this?
2. Would love 2.25 + 2.75 spacebars in base kit for Alice compatability.
No date on group buy yet. Still working on getting the rest of my vendors but its looking good. Spacebars has been the hardest kit for me to figure out for some reason. I think im gonna add Alice compatibility. I just need to look at what else I need before I post the renders

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #130 on: Mon, 03 August 2020, 06:44:49 »
Hows the interest been for runic alphas? Will it be sublegends most likely?
I'll post the results from the google form in the next update. As of now alphas are leading by 15-20%

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Ah OK. So rune monolegends more likely? Surprised theyre more popular

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #131 on: Mon, 03 August 2020, 13:29:03 »
Hows the interest been for runic alphas? Will it be sublegends most likely?
I'll post the results from the google form in the next update. As of now alphas are leading by 15-20%

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Ah OK. So rune monolegends more likely? Surprised theyre more popular
Yeah. Rune mono legends are winning by a fair margin. Personally I think they would look better as Monos because I think sublegends are too cluttered. Ill probably offer latin alphas as a child kit for those who aren't fans of it.

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #132 on: Mon, 03 August 2020, 15:02:09 »
Hows the interest been for runic alphas? Will it be sublegends most likely?
I'll post the results from the google form in the next update. As of now alphas are leading by 15-20%

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Ah OK. So rune monolegends more likely? Surprised theyre more popular
Yeah. Rune mono legends are winning by a fair margin. Personally I think they would look better as Monos because I think sublegends are too cluttered. Ill probably offer latin alphas as a child kit for those who aren't fans of it.

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Ah fair enough. I preferred the look of sublegends.. Looks cooler than having Japanese sublegends which I also love. I hope the results aren't skewed because I noticed you can submit the form multiple times as you're not required to be logged in

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #133 on: Mon, 03 August 2020, 15:07:17 »
Hows the interest been for runic alphas? Will it be sublegends most likely?
I'll post the results from the google form in the next update. As of now alphas are leading by 15-20%

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Ah OK. So rune monolegends more likely? Surprised theyre more popular
Yeah. Rune mono legends are winning by a fair margin. Personally I think they would look better as Monos because I think sublegends are too cluttered. Ill probably offer latin alphas as a child kit for those who aren't fans of it.

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Ah fair enough. I preferred the look of sublegends.. Looks cooler than having Japanese sublegends which I also love. I hope the results aren't skewed because I noticed you can submit the form multiple times as you're not required to be logged in
Nah, its just cleaner.

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #134 on: Mon, 03 August 2020, 15:48:25 »
Hows the interest been for runic alphas? Will it be sublegends most likely?
I'll post the results from the google form in the next update. As of now alphas are leading by 15-20%

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Ah OK. So rune monolegends more likely? Surprised theyre more popular
Yeah. Rune mono legends are winning by a fair margin. Personally I think they would look better as Monos because I think sublegends are too cluttered. Ill probably offer latin alphas as a child kit for those who aren't fans of it.

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Ah fair enough. I preferred the look of sublegends.. Looks cooler than having Japanese sublegends which I also love. I hope the results aren't skewed because I noticed you can submit the form multiple times as you're not required to be logged in
Nah, its just cleaner.

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Hows the interest been for runic alphas? Will it be sublegends most likely?
I'll post the results from the google form in the next update. As of now alphas are leading by 15-20%

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Ah OK. So rune monolegends more likely? Surprised theyre more popular
Yeah. Rune mono legends are winning by a fair margin. Personally I think they would look better as Monos because I think sublegends are too cluttered. Ill probably offer latin alphas as a child kit for those who aren't fans of it.

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Ah fair enough. I preferred the look of sublegends.. Looks cooler than having Japanese sublegends which I also love. I hope the results aren't skewed because I noticed you can submit the form multiple times as you're not required to be logged in
Nah, its just cleaner.

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Still prefer the look of sublegends

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #135 on: Wed, 05 August 2020, 05:51:26 »
Love the colours, muted and also very retro.  Not a fan of the Novelties but that is just a personal preference.  Please if possible include UK ISO in your kit.  Great work and good luck.
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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #136 on: Wed, 05 August 2020, 06:57:20 »
Here's another vote for monolegends. Besides it looking cleaner than sublegends, it gives alternate layout users a great alpha keys option.

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #137 on: Wed, 05 August 2020, 07:49:16 »
Interesting set — I like the colourway more than I would have expected initially.

That said, the kits (as they stand now) still need some work:


- The base kit has <> and \| in R4 — \| should be one row up, in R3.
- An extra B and an F13 key have become pretty much standard additions to base kits in ICs. Consider having them, too.


- The NorDeUk kit is described as having support for "Norwegian, British, German, Danish", yet Swedish/Finnish is fully supported but not included in the list.
- '? in R1 isn't used in any of the four (five) layouts listed, so it should be taken out.
- English (UK) (not "British") is missing R4 \| and R3 #~.
- The keys ◌́◌̀, ◌́◌̀| and \◌̀◌́ all show the acute accent as a low mark. This might just be a render artifact, but do ensure that remains only as so.
- Same goes for the positioning of the £ sign in 3#£.
- Since R4 <> is in the base kit already, it can chopped off the NorDeUk kit.
- Consider adding the numpad comma keys, here or in the numpad kit.

GLWIC!

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #138 on: Wed, 05 August 2020, 14:26:55 »
So Latin alphas will not be in the Base kit?
 :-\

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #139 on: Thu, 06 August 2020, 12:43:46 »
So Latin alphas will not be in the Base kit?
 :-\

The demand for Futhark alphas is incredibly high. 300+ responses on the google form are in favor of rune alphas in some form. Making them as a child kit would not only increase the price massively for the majority who want them, the moq would also be extremely high for a child kit. I'll have to discuss with vendors because they know more than I do. The google forms are also split right down the middle at 50% Monos and 50% Subs so I'll have to do renders for both and make another form to see which one is more popular after they actually see it on a board.

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #140 on: Thu, 06 August 2020, 12:46:40 »
Love the colours, muted and also very retro.  Not a fan of the Novelties but that is just a personal preference.  Please if possible include UK ISO in your kit.  Great work and good luck.

Yeah I've been trying my best to get a good base kit. Every time I fix 1 thing 2 more problems arise. I'm trying my best and will consult a few people who know more than me when I redo the renders. Thanks!

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #141 on: Thu, 06 August 2020, 12:49:46 »
Interesting set — I like the colourway more than I would have expected initially.

That said, the kits (as they stand now) still need some work:


- The base kit has <> and \| in R4 — \| should be one row up, in R3.
- An extra B and an F13 key have become pretty much standard additions to base kits in ICs. Consider having them, too.


- The NorDeUk kit is described as having support for "Norwegian, British, German, Danish", yet Swedish/Finnish is fully supported but not included in the list.
- '? in R1 isn't used in any of the four (five) layouts listed, so it should be taken out.
- English (UK) (not "British") is missing R4 \| and R3 #~.
- The keys ◌́◌̀, ◌́◌̀| and \◌̀◌́ all show the acute accent as a low mark. This might just be a render artifact, but do ensure that remains only as so.
- Same goes for the positioning of the £ sign in 3#£.
- Since R4 <> is in the base kit already, it can chopped off the NorDeUk kit.
- Consider adding the numpad comma keys, here or in the numpad kit.

GLWIC!

Thank you for your feedback. I'll definitely make some of these changes when I go back and redo the base kit renders, maybe tomorrow if I can.

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #142 on: Fri, 07 August 2020, 15:20:33 »
Interesting set — I like the colourway more than I would have expected initially.

That said, the kits (as they stand now) still need some work:


- The base kit has <> and \| in R4 — \| should be one row up, in R3.
- An extra B and an F13 key have become pretty much standard additions to base kits in ICs. Consider having them, too.


- The NorDeUk kit is described as having support for "Norwegian, British, German, Danish", yet Swedish/Finnish is fully supported but not included in the list.
- '? in R1 isn't used in any of the four (five) layouts listed, so it should be taken out.
- English (UK) (not "British") is missing R4 \| and R3 #~.
- The keys ◌́◌̀, ◌́◌̀| and \◌̀◌́ all show the acute accent as a low mark. This might just be a render artifact, but do ensure that remains only as so.
- Same goes for the positioning of the £ sign in 3#£.
- Since R4 <> is in the base kit already, it can chopped off the NorDeUk kit.
- Consider adding the numpad comma keys, here or in the numpad kit.

GLWIC!


What is the extra B for?

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #143 on: Fri, 07 August 2020, 15:47:28 »
What is the extra B for?

Alice-like layouts

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Re: [IC] GMK Norse
« Reply #144 on: Fri, 07 August 2020, 23:50:38 »
love this