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Re: Are you rationalizing your keyboard's preferences?
« Reply #50 on: Wed, 12 August 2020, 17:32:16 »
What is happening? Are we the sort of blind consumer that keep buying products, even with severe and ugly quality issues? Are we blind GMK fanboys?

I wouldn't know. I rarely look at groupbuys and don't plan on ever owning a set of GMK caps when I can get some nice thick sets for $30-40, or just use random cheap/thin lasered caps. I don't care if they're random Chinesium with no branding if they fit and sound fine to me.


GMK good for buyers with money  , who  may prefer Shine and sound of ABS   

Of course there are plenty of cheap keycap set of Dyesub PBT ( Look on Ali express if you don't believe   me)

  If you want   best legend quality , fit , with no warp,   you can just get OG Cherry keycap .

But if you are willing to trade these  for  price , cheap PBT is always there for you :)
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Re: Are you rationalizing your keyboard's preferences?
« Reply #51 on: Wed, 12 August 2020, 17:33:42 »
For awhile I rationalized my switch preferences TBH. When I first got into the hobby ergo clears & V1 Zealios were all the rage, plus tactile switches seemed to be the best type for me after testing them, linear, & clicky switches loose. Also my first proper modern MKB was a Rosewill Apollo with MX browns so I was used to tactile switches before I started building too. So for the better part of 5 years I just would not give linear or clicky switches a fair shot. Sure I did some builds with both, but never really gave them the proper time or consideration before going back to tactiles.

Although recently with JWK/Durock flooding the market with affordable high quality linear MX switches, I finally decided to revisit linears properly. Well guess what, it turns out linears have proven to be my favorite type of MX switch. Ever since I rebuilt my E6.5 with Alpacas I have almost exclusively been using linear switches. I rebuilt my E6.5 about 6 months ago & have only used my tactile boards maybe a handful times since then. Also I swapped out the tactile switches for linear switches in all my favorite boards, then have been using linear switches exclusively on all my personal builds since then. Can't say exactly why I was so hung up on tactiles & wouldn't give any other switch type a fair shake for so long. I can say now that I have gave linears & clickies a proper fair shot, being honest to myself about how I feel about them, linears really seem to be much more comfortable than tactiles to me.

Bonus rationalization, spring weightings..... LOL! This was another thing I kinda arbitrarily settled on before giving a good range of weights a fair try. For the same time I was tactile addict, I also was a big proponent of heavily weighted springs. 80g bottom out was my favorite spring weighting & I was not afraid to go beyond that. For awhile I had a Vortex Pok3r with 150g Gat Clears in it :eek:! Thankfully when I decided I needed to give other switch types a honest try, I also figured it would be the time to give lighter weighted springs a try too. Same as finding I prefer linears to tactiles I found I actually prefer medium weighted springs the best (say 50g to 65g bottom out). With 63.5g progressive or slow curve springs being my absolute favorite weighting. So take it from me guys, sometimes it pays to step outside your comfort zones! :thumb:                                                                                       

Yes ,  same with me . .  Used to  hate on people that used anything lower than 70g    .  . .  now I can't use 65g    .  we will see in the    future   how my preference changes !!

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Re: Are you rationalizing your keyboard's preferences?
« Reply #52 on: Wed, 12 August 2020, 20:09:37 »
What is happening? Are we the sort of blind consumer that keep buying products, even with severe and ugly quality issues? Are we blind GMK fanboys?

I wouldn't know. I rarely look at groupbuys and don't plan on ever owning a set of GMK caps when I can get some nice thick sets for $30-40, or just use random cheap/thin lasered caps. I don't care if they're random Chinesium with no branding if they fit and sound fine to me.


GMK good for buyers with money  , who  may prefer Shine and sound of ABS   

Of course there are plenty of cheap keycap set of Dyesub PBT ( Look on Ali express if you don't believe   me)

  If you want   best legend quality , fit , with no warp,   you can just get OG Cherry keycap .

But if you are willing to trade these  for  price , cheap PBT is always there for you :)


I'm not going to stare and drool at my keyboard all day. I have plenty of nice thick sets that cost me a fraction of what the big names would that look great. Some might not have perfect mold marks beneath, but I'm also not ever looking at the bottoms of the caps either. Unless I want some fun novelty like metal caps on one of my K65s, or something to better match the themes of the case than whatever came on it, I usually leave caps alone. I would also give an exception for the paint on the cheap backlit caps wearing off, but even that has never happened to me. My most-used K70s are shined like a mirror but the legends are still perfect. I have a few sets of PBT double shots I got cheap on Aliexpress for them, but I'm still conflicted on 1) Whether or not I care enough to bother swapping them and 2) Whether or not I'll put up with their texture, since I actually love shined caps.

Yes ,  same with me . .  Used to  hate on people that used anything lower than 70g    .  . .  now I can't use 65g    .  we will see in the    future   how my preference changes !!

~treeleaf

Did you really hate on people that used anything lower than 70g? It is all preference, afterall. I know some people find relatively light standard MX weightings to be too heavy and it never occurred to me to care outside of the fact that they're cutting most of the market entirely out of their options without spring swaps.

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Re: Are you rationalizing your keyboard's preferences?
« Reply #53 on: Wed, 12 August 2020, 21:02:44 »
Yes  I used to hate on them   until I became one of them  :D


Until you have owned premium GMK you will not see why it is hyped. Once you own it, you will say, "Now I understand."
The colors and legends are very high quality, the thickness can be felt. ABS is good material to make keycaps out of.

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Re: Are you rationalizing your keyboard's preferences?
« Reply #54 on: Wed, 12 August 2020, 21:24:28 »
You don't like the way it looks - Done.

Yes, it's all about looks.  :confused:
Me with my scratched paint, $20 key caps (thick PBT FTW) and 3d printed block -off plate. Anyone who has followed what I've written long enough will know, I don't do keyboards for looks, they're a tool to me.

Yes, Mac and Linux can use it, that doesn't mean it fits my particular work flow which is different on Mac and Linux. Workflow is one of the more difficult hassles of switching OSes for power users. The only time I use it is to correct things it messed up which would not have happened if it wasn't there to begin with. I'm FAR more likely to use CTRL-ALT+F key than I am any Winkey combo.
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Yes, I could print a nicer block or remove the switch and lower it (there is a switch underneath), I printed that about 6 years ago and just haven't bothered to redo it. Why? Because it works just fine.
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Re: Are you rationalizing your keyboard's preferences?
« Reply #55 on: Wed, 12 August 2020, 22:10:08 »

On rationalizing a vendor's misbehaving.


GMK is ignoring the issues on its spacebars, and they are keeping up the production and taking more orders. It appears that it does not matter how bad the quality is getting lately. GMK is stubbornly manufacturing keycap sets with the same warping defects.
The continuous flow of GMK interest checks and group buy at GH is an example of a collective rationalization. It is also called group-thinking. While some boards are getting posts after posts with complaints, GB leaders are steadily quoting more keycap sets with GMK.
What is happening? Are we the sort of blind consumer that keep buying products, even with severe and ugly quality issues? Are we blind GMK fanboys?

Rhetorical question, right? 'Cause if not, the answer is clearly Yes.

I have a GMK set. It's pretty, but I don't really care and it's on someone elses' board. My current caps are pretty ugly- $4 set from China, I guess I really should replace them as the profile is bit too high. 

Edit: Would I ever buy another set? Certainly not whilst they have a reputation for warped space bars.  I expect a lot more from a set that covers what I'd need (full size plus 40s), where a big selling point is Made in Germany.
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Re: Are you rationalizing your keyboard's preferences?
« Reply #56 on: Wed, 12 August 2020, 22:18:41 »
Yes  I used to hate on them   until I became one of them  :D

Same thing. I was even a heavy switch user until recently, scoffing at the Box Jades and Model F of the world while I clacked away happily on my Models M and Box Navy.

Then I tried a Matias, which is a bit lighter in feel, I think, and then it went all downhill from there. Now I can barely type for a half hour on a Model M, which let's remind ourselves, is a great typist keyboard on which people type (and still type) on for years.

I'm okay though at least because I know it's really more a matter of getting used to it than anything.


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Re: Are you rationalizing your keyboard's preferences?
« Reply #57 on: Thu, 13 August 2020, 17:12:37 »
I'm not going to stare and drool at my keyboard all day. I have plenty of nice thick sets that cost me a fraction of what the big names would that look great. Some might not have perfect mold marks beneath, but I'm also not ever looking at the bottoms of the caps either. Unless I want some fun novelty like metal caps on one of my K65s, or something to better match the themes of the case than whatever came on it, I usually leave caps alone. I would also give an exception for the paint on the cheap backlit caps wearing off, but even that has never happened to me. My most-used K70s are shined like a mirror but the legends are still perfect. I have a few sets of PBT double shots I got cheap on Aliexpress for them, but I'm still conflicted on 1) Whether or not I care enough to bother swapping them and 2) Whether or not I'll put up with their texture, since I actually love shined caps.

It's more than that...The more expensive keycaps are more expensive for a reason.  Generally the quality is better and you can tell by touch and sound that they feel better.

On the plus side, there are some cheaper decent keycaps out there that are "good enough".

I think GMK are good but I prefer PBT in general...I'm also not a scoop fan although it looks like most of the newer sets all have a FJ bar which is nice.  Right now one of my favorite sets is the Leopold stock Doubleshot PBT keycaps...they just feel great. 

Keycaps really just come down to looks and feel...either you want it because you like how they look...or you like how they feel for whatever reason.  But there is a feel difference between the better keycaps and the cheaper ones...which feel you prefer will just be personal pref. 

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Re: Are you rationalizing your keyboard's preferences?
« Reply #58 on: Thu, 13 August 2020, 17:35:34 »
I'm not going to stare and drool at my keyboard all day. I have plenty of nice thick sets that cost me a fraction of what the big names would that look great. Some might not have perfect mold marks beneath, but I'm also not ever looking at the bottoms of the caps either. Unless I want some fun novelty like metal caps on one of my K65s, or something to better match the themes of the case than whatever came on it, I usually leave caps alone. I would also give an exception for the paint on the cheap backlit caps wearing off, but even that has never happened to me. My most-used K70s are shined like a mirror but the legends are still perfect. I have a few sets of PBT double shots I got cheap on Aliexpress for them, but I'm still conflicted on 1) Whether or not I care enough to bother swapping them and 2) Whether or not I'll put up with their texture, since I actually love shined caps.

It's more than that...The more expensive keycaps are more expensive for a reason.  Generally the quality is better and you can tell by touch and sound that they feel better.

How are you going to tell any caps apart from each other at all by feel other than profile, material, and texture? How do we quantify what is and is not high quality? Do I need to buy a $150 set of hunks of plastic to compare against the $40 set of hunks of plastic that cosmetically look no worse from above? What justifies such a disparity in price other than exclusivity/limited production? My cheap shined ABS caps don't feel any better or worse to me than my thick double shot PBT caps. There's a difference in sound, sure, but even that's a subjective preference, just like people obsessing over matte finishes or vice versa, and I can't imagine how that could have anything to do with a $150 set vs a $40 set if they're made of the same material and are of the same thickness.

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Re: Are you rationalizing your keyboard's preferences?
« Reply #59 on: Fri, 14 August 2020, 03:47:32 »
I'm not going to stare and drool at my keyboard all day. I have plenty of nice thick sets that cost me a fraction of what the big names would that look great. Some might not have perfect mold marks beneath, but I'm also not ever looking at the bottoms of the caps either. Unless I want some fun novelty like metal caps on one of my K65s, or something to better match the themes of the case than whatever came on it, I usually leave caps alone. I would also give an exception for the paint on the cheap backlit caps wearing off, but even that has never happened to me. My most-used K70s are shined like a mirror but the legends are still perfect. I have a few sets of PBT double shots I got cheap on Aliexpress for them, but I'm still conflicted on 1) Whether or not I care enough to bother swapping them and 2) Whether or not I'll put up with their texture, since I actually love shined caps.

It's more than that...The more expensive keycaps are more expensive for a reason.  Generally the quality is better and you can tell by touch and sound that they feel better.

How are you going to tell any caps apart from each other at all by feel other than profile, material, and texture? How do we quantify what is and is not high quality? Do I need to buy a $150 set of hunks of plastic to compare against the $40 set of hunks of plastic that cosmetically look no worse from above? What justifies such a disparity in price other than exclusivity/limited production? My cheap shined ABS caps don't feel any better or worse to me than my thick double shot PBT caps. There's a difference in sound, sure, but even that's a subjective preference, just like people obsessing over matte finishes or vice versa, and I can't imagine how that could have anything to do with a $150 set vs a $40 set if they're made of the same material and are of the same thickness.

Have you actually tried some of the more expensive different sets or are you just speculating?  You sound exactly like someone whose actually never owned and used any of the more premium keycaps sets..

But lets break it down..

Do they look cosmetically different from above..yes..generally the quality of the Doubleshot and dye sub printing is better on some of the higher quality keycaps.  That's not to say GMK or others are perfect...they're not.  But the cleaner lines, the alignment and overall finish tends to be better.  It is noticeable when you see them and more noticeable side by side. 

Feel..
Completely subjective..but the better caps tend to feel a bit more solid.  This isn't necessarily thickness..there are some cheap thick PBT that feel...cheap and they often suffer from other issues.  But regardless, if your preference is for "thinner" caps or ones that have a "cheaper" feel that's fine.  The more expensive caps have a different feel - and for those that prefer that feel, they'll need to spend more.  That "feel" tends to come from what seems like a more expensive process....There are some custom keycaps that I think feel meh but they're expensive because of the colorway and layout support - we don't see keycaps made from some of those makers any longer or not as much anyways...

And as you tend to do this..just because YOU don't feel the difference doesn't mean other people do not.  Great.  You're lucky.  You prefer how cheap keycaps feel = you're lucky.  Sometimes ignorance is bliss.   For me, the feel is noticeably different and while I would much rather pay almost nothing for keycaps, my experience is they don't feel as good. 

Lets also not forget that many of the premium sets have support for other layouts and other options and of course a look/design that is unique.  I will say, the pricing for GMK has gotten out of control.  On the plus side, there are so many GMK sets out there now it is super easy to find something.  On the downside, it is more of a business now than a community project.   

So here's how the price comes about.
Higher Quality Control
Higher Quality manufacturing process.
Lower Quantity = less scale = greater unit price
Higher Margins - I'd imagine there are greater margins there with companies building a premium produce rather than razor thin margins of a much more mass produced product. 

I mean, I get it..you don't like spending a ton of money on stuff...We've had this same discussion about the quality of keyboards where you equate most of it to the switch which is probably why you have your choice of keyboard and keycaps...The fact that you can't tell the difference is just you.  I'm sure you can't tell the difference in the quality of wine either right?  For any enthusiasts hobby there are going to be a good number of people who can see the difference in quality...and some that are just posers..and some that don't see the difference.  Lets face it, the best place to be is where you end up spending the least amount of money and get exactly the same enjoyment, that's just not reality for some. 
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Re: Are you rationalizing your keyboard's preferences?
« Reply #60 on: Fri, 14 August 2020, 10:51:11 »
I'm not going to stare and drool at my keyboard all day. I have plenty of nice thick sets that cost me a fraction of what the big names would that look great. Some might not have perfect mold marks beneath, but I'm also not ever looking at the bottoms of the caps either. Unless I want some fun novelty like metal caps on one of my K65s, or something to better match the themes of the case than whatever came on it, I usually leave caps alone. I would also give an exception for the paint on the cheap backlit caps wearing off, but even that has never happened to me. My most-used K70s are shined like a mirror but the legends are still perfect. I have a few sets of PBT double shots I got cheap on Aliexpress for them, but I'm still conflicted on 1) Whether or not I care enough to bother swapping them and 2) Whether or not I'll put up with their texture, since I actually love shined caps.

It's more than that...The more expensive keycaps are more expensive for a reason.  Generally the quality is better and you can tell by touch and sound that they feel better.

How are you going to tell any caps apart from each other at all by feel other than profile, material, and texture? How do we quantify what is and is not high quality? Do I need to buy a $150 set of hunks of plastic to compare against the $40 set of hunks of plastic that cosmetically look no worse from above? What justifies such a disparity in price other than exclusivity/limited production? My cheap shined ABS caps don't feel any better or worse to me than my thick double shot PBT caps. There's a difference in sound, sure, but even that's a subjective preference, just like people obsessing over matte finishes or vice versa, and I can't imagine how that could have anything to do with a $150 set vs a $40 set if they're made of the same material and are of the same thickness.

Have you actually tried some of the more expensive different sets or are you just speculating?  You sound exactly like someone whose actually never owned and used any of the more premium keycaps sets..

But lets break it down..

Do they look cosmetically different from above..yes..generally the quality of the Doubleshot and dye sub printing is better on some of the higher quality keycaps.  That's not to say GMK or others are perfect...they're not.  But the cleaner lines, the alignment and overall finish tends to be better.  It is noticeable when you see them and more noticeable side by side. 

Feel..
Completely subjective..but the better caps tend to feel a bit more solid.  This isn't necessarily thickness..there are some cheap thick PBT that feel...cheap and they often suffer from other issues.  But regardless, if your preference is for "thinner" caps or ones that have a "cheaper" feel that's fine.  The more expensive caps have a different feel - and for those that prefer that feel, they'll need to spend more.  That "feel" tends to come from what seems like a more expensive process....There are some custom keycaps that I think feel meh but they're expensive because of the colorway and layout support - we don't see keycaps made from some of those makers any longer or not as much anyways...

And as you tend to do this..just because YOU don't feel the difference doesn't mean other people do not.  Great.  You're lucky.  You prefer how cheap keycaps feel = you're lucky.  Sometimes ignorance is bliss.   For me, the feel is noticeably different and while I would much rather pay almost nothing for keycaps, my experience is they don't feel as good. 

Lets also not forget that many of the premium sets have support for other layouts and other options and of course a look/design that is unique.  I will say, the pricing for GMK has gotten out of control.  On the plus side, there are so many GMK sets out there now it is super easy to find something.  On the downside, it is more of a business now than a community project.   

So here's how the price comes about.
Higher Quality Control
Higher Quality manufacturing process.
Lower Quantity = less scale = greater unit price
Higher Margins - I'd imagine there are greater margins there with companies building a premium produce rather than razor thin margins of a much more mass produced product. 

I mean, I get it..you don't like spending a ton of money on stuff...We've had this same discussion about the quality of keyboards where you equate most of it to the switch which is probably why you have your choice of keyboard and keycaps...The fact that you can't tell the difference is just you.  I'm sure you can't tell the difference in the quality of wine either right?  For any enthusiasts hobby there are going to be a good number of people who can see the difference in quality...and some that are just posers..and some that don't see the difference.  Lets face it, the best place to be is where you end up spending the least amount of money and get exactly the same enjoyment, that's just not reality for some. 

A higher price does not always mean higher quality - it really comes down to the processes & companies involved with the manufacture to make the price point worthwhile for the consumer.

I've had $130 "boutique, limited, artisan designed" group buy caps I waited 9 months for with worse quality & feel than a $45 set of Tai Haos I got in 2 days.
On the flip side, I've also had $130 sets that are absolutely exemplary & beyond reproach in terms of material quality, texture, design etc.

I think that it just speaks to how Plastics & Mold processes/machines add a further variable on the consistency & feel of caps, and makes them a different kettle of fish than other bespoke, handmade/limited items. 

The same "smaller batch is better" mentality can't really be equated here, at least in my opinion.
It really comes down to the details of the product & who is involved.




 



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Re: Are you rationalizing your keyboard's preferences?
« Reply #61 on: Fri, 14 August 2020, 12:01:11 »
A higher price does not always mean higher quality - it really comes down to the processes & companies involved with the manufacture to make the price point worthwhile for the consumer.

I've had $130 "boutique, limited, artisan designed" group buy caps I waited 9 months for with worse quality & feel than a $45 set of Tai Haos I got in 2 days.
On the flip side, I've also had $130 sets that are absolutely exemplary & beyond reproach in terms of material quality, texture, design etc.

I think that it just speaks to how Plastics & Mold processes/machines add a further variable on the consistency & feel of caps, and makes them a different kettle of fish than other bespoke, handmade/limited items. 

The same "smaller batch is better" mentality can't really be equated here, at least in my opinion.
It really comes down to the details of the product & who is involved.

Of course more expensive doesn't always mean better...but generally it does. 
I also didn't say smaller batch is always better...Smaller batch has a greater cost basis than larger batches.  That is a cost not going towards quality, it is going towards lack of scale.  Especially with boutique items, you run the risk of just poor craftsmanship or you might end up getting more time/care that is disproportionately good for the price.

For enthusiasts, you're not going to get away with expensive junk...the marketing falls away (not that it even really exists for keyboard stuff) and the goods are analyzed to the Nth degree...Goods that are overpriced for what they are will find fewer customers...

We won't even touch on scarcity..but if we're talking GMK..they're not scarce...maybe a specific colorway is harder to find now but it is super easy to get a set of GMK keycaps nowadays, they're far from scarce...

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Re: Are you rationalizing your keyboard's preferences?
« Reply #62 on: Fri, 14 August 2020, 13:53:29 »
A higher price does not always mean higher quality - it really comes down to the processes & companies involved with the manufacture to make the price point worthwhile for the consumer.

I've had $130 "boutique, limited, artisan designed" group buy caps I waited 9 months for with worse quality & feel than a $45 set of Tai Haos I got in 2 days.
On the flip side, I've also had $130 sets that are absolutely exemplary & beyond reproach in terms of material quality, texture, design etc.

I think that it just speaks to how Plastics & Mold processes/machines add a further variable on the consistency & feel of caps, and makes them a different kettle of fish than other bespoke, handmade/limited items. 

The same "smaller batch is better" mentality can't really be equated here, at least in my opinion.
It really comes down to the details of the product & who is involved.

Of course more expensive doesn't always mean better...but generally it does. 
I also didn't say smaller batch is always better...Smaller batch has a greater cost basis than larger batches.  That is a cost not going towards quality, it is going towards lack of scale.  Especially with boutique items, you run the risk of just poor craftsmanship or you might end up getting more time/care that is disproportionately good for the price.

For enthusiasts, you're not going to get away with expensive junk...the marketing falls away (not that it even really exists for keyboard stuff) and the goods are analyzed to the Nth degree...Goods that are overpriced for what they are will find fewer customers...

We won't even touch on scarcity..but if we're talking GMK..they're not scarce...maybe a specific colorway is harder to find now but it is super easy to get a set of GMK keycaps nowadays, they're far from scarce...

Sure? but the keycap set in question *was* an enthusiast group by - the quality & consistency exclaimed in the descriptions DID NOT come to pass.  To be fair, the set didn't get a Rd2/V2 - over quality control - but still. 

I can't really agree that you get what you pay for in the keycap world.
My experience buying the $100 + sets (8-9 different off the shelf sets/group bys over 2 years) has been mixed and shied me away from getting more sets in the future with the same price range.
The highest of high quality with some yet the most scattershot of material consistency & lower quality printing methods & defects with others.
That does speak to scale like you mention, but with that kind of money, the quality ratio average should be 100% -  not 78%.

GMK's are a bit on their own island in terms of methods & quality control, usually fairly high quality - from my experience.

Honestly, as much as it makes boutique set owners ears burn, the most consistent set I have is the Tai Hao set.  Mass produced & cheap, sure, but the quality, consistency, material, texture - equals ALL of the bespoke sets I own. Maybe doesn't BEST them, this is where design & slightly highter materials factors in - but equals them.

Also it comes down to what you focus on.  At this point I'm much more of a switch hound & many of my keyboard decisions are based around them, not the keycaps really anymore.

Again all in my opinion  :thumb:
« Last Edit: Fri, 14 August 2020, 13:55:30 by rhubarbpi »
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Offline Polymer

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Re: Are you rationalizing your keyboard's preferences?
« Reply #63 on: Fri, 14 August 2020, 17:32:24 »
Sure? but the keycap set in question *was* an enthusiast group by - the quality & consistency exclaimed in the descriptions DID NOT come to pass.  To be fair, the set didn't get a Rd2/V2 - over quality control - but still. 
And as we discussed, that's going to happen.  With keycaps they're not making it themselves and frankly, most people are out of their depth when it comes to dealing with vendors.  In a more general sense, lots of things made by enthusiasts where they control what is going on, is often made with a very high level of care. 

I can't really agree that you get what you pay for in the keycap world.
My experience buying the $100 + sets (8-9 different off the shelf sets/group bys over 2 years) has been mixed and shied me away from getting more sets in the future with the same price range.
The highest of high quality with some yet the most scattershot of material consistency & lower quality printing methods & defects with others.
That does speak to scale like you mention, but with that kind of money, the quality ratio average should be 100% -  not 78%.

GMK's are a bit on their own island in terms of methods & quality control, usually fairly high quality - from my experience.


Which sets are you thinking of?  For me I'm thinking of GMK, BSP, OG Cherry PBT....There are a few artsy based ones that are interesting but expecting lesser quality.    All of these are better than Tai Hao without question. 

Honestly, as much as it makes boutique set owners ears burn, the most consistent set I have is the Tai Hao set.  Mass produced & cheap, sure, but the quality, consistency, material, texture - equals ALL of the bespoke sets I own. Maybe doesn't BEST them, this is where design & slightly highter materials factors in - but equals them.

They're consistent..but to me they're very average.  I think they're good value though.  So you own GMK and you think they're on par? 

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Re: Are you rationalizing your keyboard's preferences?
« Reply #64 on: Fri, 14 August 2020, 18:01:01 »
Best keyboards / keycaps have rigorous quality control, as well as good design. If something is designed by someone who knows what they're doing, and works in conjunction with a manufacturer who knows what they're doing, as well as rigorously QCing, you can expect a good product for your money.

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