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Offline BirgusLatro

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SATURN-60 Group Buy [production phase]
« on: Fri, 16 October 2020, 10:05:50 »
Hello GeekHack!

The Group Buy is in production, view the post below for detailed updates


Original IC Thread
 

The base kit price is $200.  GB will run for 30 days, unless 500 units are sold earlier. We sold around 450 in 10 days so we decided to close the ordering and start production a little sooner. This means there should be some extras.

A kit comes with all parts you need to build a Saturn-60 except for switches, stabilizers, and keycaps.
If you are on a budget, feel free to just order plates + PCBs since those could be used outside of the case for a minimalist 60% build.
Color options are pictured below.  Two-toned orders are ok, and you can upgrade the finish of your plate, handle and badges. 

Plate options: Plain Aluminum, Black Anodized Alum, Yellow Zinc Plated Steel, Stainless Steel. 
Handle Options: Plain Aluminum, Black Anodized Alum, Stainless Steel, Brass
Stainless or Brass Badges
*Default Kit comes with: brushed aluminum Purist plate + clear anodized alum handle + Stainless badges + Titan60. 
Saturn-60 is a Bottom-Mounted Keyboard with gasket isolation, and has a floating foam frame that dampens the upper plate and chassis vibrations.

--Vendors--
North + South America:
Ace Keyboard Co.

Europe + ROW
CandyKeys

Oceania:
Daily Clack


There was a pre-sale for early birds that have been supporting since the IC...  Huge thank you to the 87 kits that were ordered already from the North American store! We hit MOQ globally before the GB even opened!  First production samples should be arriving next week by 10/23.
Join our discord for the timeliest updates and discussions!

Here is the full DeskYacht album with some proto pictures and renders:
https://imgur.com/a/Yef8wMG

More pictures:
More
Moondust - Beige - RAL 1013


Comet - White - RAL 9003


Crater - Black - RAL 9005


Supernova


Badges


Layouts




Switchplate


PCB - QMK support is still in-progress


Exploded View


Box

« Last Edit: Sat, 28 November 2020, 22:33:04 by BirgusLatro »

Offline BirgusLatro

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 16 October 2020, 10:06:08 »
12/23 Production still ongoing, still on track for Q1 fulfillment.
The bottom halves have all been bent, and are off to be powdercoated (except a few raw steel ones).

Badges are being produced and should be arriving soon; picture below is just a sample, but final badges will have data in all fields.


Titan60 PCB will need another revision --> 1.3.  There was an issue with the way the thru-hole LEDs were grounded.

11/25 Production underway.  Still on track for Q1 2021 fulfillment
PLATE/CASE:
Production initiated as of 11/11.  Here are some pictures of the last round of samples:
Album Links:[https://imgur.com/a/dBzeWWk] [https://imgur.com/a/WmiWLmO]
The Sheetmetal manu is more than halfway done with the blanks - which are laser cut []
The remaining parts to laser are the stainless and aluminum switchplates.
PCB:
MechMerlin did the QMK and VIA port on stream [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZTG3hnHL74] some weeks ago, and unfortunately bugs were discovered both with the PCB and with VIA.  The PCB has been revised, and new protos (Rev1.2) are being manufactured currently. From what I understand, the issue with VIA is that the drop downs don't support more than 3 "groups" for Row 4.  So right now the arrow cluster layout is not selectable.   QMK does not have this problem.

10/25. After 10 days we have sold well over 400 units and will close the GB.  We most likely will still manufacture close to 500 and sell as in-stock extras when the GB fulfills in Q1.
The vendors will tally up and I'll start placing orders for parts within the supply chain.  More updates later this coming week when production samples arrive of cases.

Updates:
10/19/2020: 300/300 sold in the acekeyboard.co store.  THANK YOU everyone who joined!   A waitlist may be established for those that were not able to get one and would like to be notified if extras are available. Discussing with Dailyclack and Candykeys about whether or not to keep the GB open for them for a month or to close orders in a week and fully start on production.
« Last Edit: Wed, 23 December 2020, 16:13:59 by BirgusLatro »

Offline lukelex

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 16 October 2020, 12:36:20 »
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Offline Capone1423

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 16 October 2020, 13:39:00 »
Unfortunately itís still locked at candykeys...

Offline lukelex

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 16 October 2020, 14:26:31 »
Any chance of supporting Alps?

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy [LIVE]
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 16 October 2020, 23:52:18 »
Commenting to get updates. Looking forward to this! Great job :thumb:

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy [LIVE]
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 09:47:56 »
Looks amazing. ^-^

Offline nathanchere

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy [LIVE]
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 09:04:13 »
I guess this means the HHKB top didn't play out? Any likelihood of an R2 in the future with that option if this GB goes well or should I just give up hope now?

Offline geewiz

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy [LIVE]
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 10:09:03 »
I grew up with clacky steel-cased keyboards, so I had to get this one. Great job!

Offline BirgusLatro

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy [LIVE]
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 22:04:56 »
Any chance of supporting Alps?

At this point no, but I could do a small GB after the current one, just for plates featuring everyone's weird layouts / alps support, assuming there is enough interest.  I also have an idea for adapters so people can print or cut their own plates.


I grew up with clacky steel-cased keyboards, so I had to get this one. Great job!

Awesome! Thanks so much for joining the GB!

Commenting to get updates. Looking forward to this! Great job :thumb:
Thank you!!!!

Looks amazing. ^-^
You flatter me  ;D

I guess this means the HHKB top didn't play out? Any likelihood of an R2 in the future with that option if this GB goes well or should I just give up hope now?

Right, unfortunately not enough interest on the HHKB layout for this GB.  I personally like HHKB a lot so keep an eye out for a future round of Saturns with it, or possibly a different project  :eek:
« Last Edit: Sun, 18 October 2020, 22:06:33 by BirgusLatro »

Offline paperassgasket

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy [7 KITS LEFT in NA]
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 22:10:40 »
Honestly surprised that this hasn't sold out already.
I think it flew under a lot of people's radar because I run into people on streams and in discords almost daily that have not heard of it before.

Offline CGreat

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy [Sold out in NA]
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 19 October 2020, 17:29:53 »
Glad to see the 500 sell out already in NA...although I was secretly hoping there would be an issue getting to 500 units so i could order another color ;D. Great job BirgusLatro!

Offline BirgusLatro

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy [Sold out in NA]
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 19 October 2020, 17:48:44 »
Honestly surprised that this hasn't sold out already.
I think it flew under a lot of people's radar because I run into people on streams and in discords almost daily that have not heard of it before.

It has a very radar-reflective design so maybe that's why it wasn't detected.

Glad to see the 500 sell out already in NA...although I was secretly hoping there would be an issue getting to 500 units so i could order another color ;D. Great job BirgusLatro!

Thanks a lot!  The number is actually 500 globally, so 300 were sold in North America. 150 were allocated to CK and 50 to DC


Offline Wonderfool

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy [LIVE]
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 21 October 2020, 16:03:59 »
I grew up with clacky steel-cased keyboards, so I had to get this one. Great job!

Speaking of which: what switches would best take advantage of the metal case for the optimal clack? 

This isn't going to be my daily driver so I don't have to worry about annoying anyone, but I don't have any experience with really clacky switches - the clackiest (clickiest) I've ever gone was Kailh Box Whites. 

Offline amperrsand

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy [ENDS Tonight 10/25 23:59 PT]
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 26 October 2020, 20:57:04 »
I just learned this existed today

Offline laughedelic

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy [ENDS Tonight 10/25 23:59 PT]
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 27 October 2020, 18:28:18 »
The GB hasn't ended yet, has it? I'm confused by the update on Discord:

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Group Buy Ordering phase will close at Sunday October 25 at 23:59 Pacific Time.  Order mods will be open until 24 hours after I am able to share pictures of the sample parts from the Manu.
Edit: samples will be received Wed, expect order mods to close Fri. Oct 30

What's order mods? Does it mean that there will be photos of the prototypes on Wednesday and I can still order it until Friday? I can't decide on the colors, so the photos of real prototypes would be really helpful. I really hope it's still not late to order...

Offline geewiz

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy [ENDS Tonight 10/25 23:59 PT]
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 28 October 2020, 07:33:29 »
Orders are closed by now. Only people who have ordered will be able to modify their orders (mainly case colours) if real-life prototype pictures convince them to do so.

Offline AdrianMan

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy [production phase]
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 08 November 2020, 03:49:03 »
Can we have an estimate of when will it ship ?

I ordered one via Candykeys as I'm in EU.

Thanks !

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy [production phase]
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 08 November 2020, 10:00:04 »
Can we have an estimate of when will it ship ?

I ordered one via Candykeys as I'm in EU.

Thanks !

I believe they said an estimate of at least 10 weeks after the GB ends will be the end of production. After that I'm sure they'll need time to QC then ship out. I believe the GB ended near the end of October so I'm assuming like end of January at the earliest?

Offline datarama

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy [LIVE]
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 16 November 2020, 08:39:58 »

At this point no, but I could do a small GB after the current one, just for plates featuring everyone's weird layouts / alps support, assuming there is enough interest.  I also have an idea for adapters so people can print or cut their own plates.


That would be very highly appreciated! If you do this, what would be a realistic MOQ for a plate for a given weird layout?

(I use an unusual bottom row on my 60% boards: 1.5 - 1 - 1.5 - 2.75 - 1.5 - 2.75 - 1.5 - 1 - 1.5. Basically Tsangan, but with the 7u spacebar replaced with a 2.75 - 1.5 - 2.75 split. AFAIK this is only supported by the BananaSplit 60 R2 PCB, so I know I belong to a tiny minority within a tiny minority here.)

Offline BirgusLatro

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy [production phase]
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 25 November 2020, 19:49:08 »
Orders are closed by now. Only people who have ordered will be able to modify their orders (mainly case colours) if real-life prototype pictures convince them to do so.
  Yes, this is correct - order modifications were only for those that actually joined the GB before that time.


That would be very highly appreciated! If you do this, what would be a realistic MOQ for a plate for a given weird layout?

(I use an unusual bottom row on my 60% boards: 1.5 - 1 - 1.5 - 2.75 - 1.5 - 2.75 - 1.5 - 1 - 1.5. Basically Tsangan, but with the 7u spacebar replaced with a 2.75 - 1.5 - 2.75 split. AFAIK this is only supported by the BananaSplit 60 R2 PCB, so I know I belong to a tiny minority within a tiny minority here.)
haha yes unfortunately I don't know how popular that layout is but I will keep that in mind.

I just learned this existed today
I will let everyone know when extras are available

I grew up with clacky steel-cased keyboards, so I had to get this one. Great job!

Speaking of which: what switches would best take advantage of the metal case for the optimal clack? 

This isn't going to be my daily driver so I don't have to worry about annoying anyone, but I don't have any experience with really clacky switches - the clackiest (clickiest) I've ever gone was Kailh Box Whites. 
  Good question. The case does have foam, but you don't have to use it if you really want it to be echo-y.  If you mean clack and not click, something like TKC Banana Split switches or NK Creams, or any Durock Linear would be good.  If you like tactile switches; Holy Panda, Zealios, Blueberries, Kiwi, T1...

Can we have an estimate of when will it ship ?

I ordered one via Candykeys as I'm in EU.

Thanks !
The estimate is still Q1 2021.  I have ascertained that all the Candykeys order will fit on one pallet. So if this ships via airfreight you might expect your order later in Q1 but if it is shipped by sea, I am not sure.  I have yet to discuss that with CK.

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy [production phase]
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 25 November 2020, 20:34:43 »

That's a really nice retro kit, congrats!  :D 

Offline BirgusLatro

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy [production phase]
« Reply #22 on: Wed, 23 December 2020, 16:29:59 »
Bumping for those who have commented to get updates on progress.
I have been updating the 2nd post on this thread every few weeks:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109090.msg2968734#msg2968734

Offline Havattack

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy [production phase]
« Reply #23 on: Wed, 23 December 2020, 23:29:02 »
Wheres the best place to go to find out abut the extras? This thread?

Offline BirgusLatro

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy [production phase]
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 24 December 2020, 17:53:15 »
Wheres the best place to go to find out abut the extras? This thread?

I will post information here for sure, but I'm compiling a list of people interested in extras (there will be extras but not sure how many)

If you or anyone else wants a kit, send an email to hello@acekeyboard.co and I'll add you to the list :) 

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy [production phase]
« Reply #25 on: Tue, 12 January 2021, 17:16:34 »
I grew up with clacky steel-cased keyboards, so I had to get this one. Great job!

Speaking of which: what switches would best take advantage of the metal case for the optimal clack? 

This isn't going to be my daily driver so I don't have to worry about annoying anyone, but I don't have any experience with really clacky switches - the clackiest (clickiest) I've ever gone was Kailh Box Whites. 
  Good question. The case does have foam, but you don't have to use it if you really want it to be echo-y.  If you mean clack and not click, something like TKC Banana Split switches or NK Creams, or any Durock Linear would be good.  If you like tactile switches; Holy Panda, Zealios, Blueberries, Kiwi, T1...

I actually prefer clicky, but in this case I'd like to aim for something that's either the loudest or most nostalgic given the Saturn60's aesthetics.  I'm not too familiar with the more exotic switches.   All advice is welcome  :D

I have some Glorious Pandas (https://www.pcgamingrace.com/products/glorious-panda-mechanical-switches) that I was thinking of using but since the PCB isn't hotswap I'd prefer to get the click/clack right the first time.

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy [production phase]
« Reply #26 on: Thu, 14 January 2021, 13:50:48 »
I grew up with clacky steel-cased keyboards, so I had to get this one. Great job!

Speaking of which: what switches would best take advantage of the metal case for the optimal clack? 

This isn't going to be my daily driver so I don't have to worry about annoying anyone, but I don't have any experience with really clacky switches - the clackiest (clickiest) I've ever gone was Kailh Box Whites. 
  Good question. The case does have foam, but you don't have to use it if you really want it to be echo-y.  If you mean clack and not click, something like TKC Banana Split switches or NK Creams, or any Durock Linear would be good.  If you like tactile switches; Holy Panda, Zealios, Blueberries, Kiwi, T1...

I actually prefer clicky, but in this case I'd like to aim for something that's either the loudest or most nostalgic given the Saturn60's aesthetics.  I'm not too familiar with the more exotic switches.   All advice is welcome  :D

I have some Glorious Pandas (https://www.pcgamingrace.com/products/glorious-panda-mechanical-switches) that I was thinking of using but since the PCB isn't hotswap I'd prefer to get the click/clack right the first time.

I'm also planning to go this route with my Saturn. For a retro-ish sound and feel, I'm very partial to BOX clickbar switches. They come in several clickbar/spring combinations: Navy (thick clickbar, heavy spring), Jade (thick clickbar, light spring), Pink (medium/medium), Pale Blue (thin clickbar, heavy spring) and White (thin clickbar, light spring ... but you already know that one. :) ). Their loudness is directly correlated with clickbar thickness, so the Navy and Jade are loudest.

(I personally prefer Pinks. I think both the thin-clickbar ones have too little tactility, the Navy is heavy enough to be uncomfortable after prolonged typing, and the Jade's combination of a thick clickbar and a light spring makes it very difficult to avoid bottoming out. I once experimented with putting springs from BOX Royals into BOX Navys, producing a switch that's *slightly* stiffer than a Pink, and a good deal louder - but I've since realized that I actually prefer the feel of stock Pinks.)
« Last Edit: Thu, 14 January 2021, 13:52:55 by datarama »

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Re: SATURN-60 Group Buy [production phase]
« Reply #27 on: Sat, 16 January 2021, 21:40:43 »
I prefer dampened switches personally (all thock, no click) but those navy click bars are the best clicky/tactile switch i have come across. (I don't duck with vintage switches)