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Offline gridishere

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Re: [IC] grid 650, updated with GB info, plate options, and colorway.
« Reply #150 on: Thu, 03 December 2020, 01:34:20 »
@grid team, can you speak to the reliability of Zfrontier? I've seen some mixed reviews about their fulfillment, even with grid600. Given that Zfrontier is the only option, I just want to make sure there's some reliability here.

Thanks for pointing that out.
Things do happen occasionally with zFrontier.
From what I learned from working with them, they are okay and they are still helping us with failed part replacement and so on.
We've also designed a new set of packaging so it should help as well.
You can always E-mail me if there is anything that disappoints you and we will do our best to work it out.

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Re: [IC] grid 650, updated with GB info, plate options, and colorway.
« Reply #151 on: Thu, 03 December 2020, 01:37:19 »
I have a few questions:
1. The BLE version supports Wired and Wireless correct?
2. I have read your previous messages that the GB is unlimited, but Iíve also read youíre making the WKL limited, is this correct?

1. Yes. You can switch between BLE and USB using hot keys.
2. Both of them are unlimited during GB.

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Re: [IC] grid 650, updated with GB info, plate options, and colorway.
« Reply #152 on: Thu, 03 December 2020, 01:40:11 »
why does the hotswap pcb require such a thick plate?
It provides a more uniform feeling when used with the soft gaskets.
You can also choose the 1.5mm universal plate if you prefer that.
We will have a video to explain both plates.

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Re: [IC] grid 650, updated with GB info, plate options, and colorway.
« Reply #153 on: Thu, 03 December 2020, 01:40:41 »
Does the Flash module only comes in black color?

You can choose any module in 7 colors.

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Re: [IC] grid 650, updated with GB info, plate options, and colorway.
« Reply #154 on: Thu, 03 December 2020, 01:42:57 »
Is the Module 10 CIRCLE, happening in the future?

Yes, most likely March 2021.
The thing is that we are not happy with the knob feeling right now.
Also, we have some feedback on merging this module with other modules, like Module 07 ARRAY.
So some engineering works need to be done.

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Re: [IC] grid 650, updated with GB info, plate options, and colorway.
« Reply #155 on: Thu, 03 December 2020, 01:51:10 »
Will it be unlimited? Please let it be unlimited.

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Re: [IC] grid 650, updated with GB info, plate options, and colorway.
« Reply #156 on: Thu, 03 December 2020, 02:15:50 »
Any idea on a date and GB run length as of yet?

I'm glad the modules are being run in multiple colours, I was hoping to have array in a colour that better matches E-white.


Oops, should've gone back to the OP.
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« Reply #157 on: Thu, 03 December 2020, 02:17:29 »
Any idea on a date and GB run length as of yet?

I'm glad the modules are being run in multiple colours, I was hoping to have array in a colour that better matches E-white.
Look at the first post. It's been updated with information.

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Re: [IC] grid 650, updated with GB info, plate options, and colorway.
« Reply #158 on: Thu, 03 December 2020, 02:30:59 »
Does the grid650 hotswapable PCB support per key rgb led?

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Re: [IC] grid 650, updated with GB info, plate options, and colorway.
« Reply #159 on: Thu, 03 December 2020, 02:57:54 »
not sure if i missed this somewhere within the thread, but i didn't see pricing for individual modules.

is it safe to assume that we won't have the option to buy different modules with one board?


edit: i'm blind.
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« Reply #160 on: Thu, 03 December 2020, 03:33:01 »
not sure if i missed this somewhere within the thread, but i didn't see pricing for individual modules.

is it safe to assume that we won't have the option to buy different modules with one board?
Look at them first post. There's a column for module prices.

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Re: [IC] grid 650, updated with GB info, plate options, and colorway.
« Reply #161 on: Thu, 03 December 2020, 03:57:49 »
It provides a more uniform feeling when used with the soft gaskets.
You can also choose the 1.5mm universal plate if you prefer that.
We will have a video to explain both plates.

look forward to the video! thanks for the reply :thumb:

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Re: [IC] grid 650, updated with GB info, plate options, and colorway.
« Reply #162 on: Thu, 03 December 2020, 07:29:28 »
Does the grid650 hotswapable PCB support per key rgb led?

Nope, not enough ROM and those RGB LED draw too much power for a BLE board.

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Re: [IC] grid 650, updated with GB info, plate options, and colorway.
« Reply #163 on: Thu, 03 December 2020, 08:33:06 »
Is the Module 10 CIRCLE, happening in the future?

Yes, most likely March 2021.
The thing is that we are not happy with the knob feeling right now.
Also, we have some feedback on merging this module with other modules, like Module 07 ARRAY.
So some engineering works need to be done.

Thanks for the reply, this is really interesting I was one of the people who asked those two modules to be merged so if that is happening I can skip 07 ARRAY module this time around and get the combined module in the future!

Two more questions about the modules:

Module Type-04 FLASH: Is this QMK programmable?
Module Type-05 PRESS: Is this hotswap or solderable?
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Re: [IC] grid 650, updated with GB info, plate options, and colorway.
« Reply #164 on: Thu, 03 December 2020, 10:21:10 »
Already put my buy-list together for when GB opens hehe.

BOARD:
06 WAVE MODULE (SILVER), GASKET(BLE)
CHASSIS > E-WHITE
HOT-SWAP PCB
= $475

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MODULES:
TYPE-01S CLASSIC-S > SILVER $65
TYPE-03 PEAKS > SILVER $65
TYPE-04 FLASH > SILVER $65
TYPE-08H LINEAR-H > SILVER $65, TEAL $65
= $325

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HUB PCB = $30

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WTB EXTRAS:
BLE PCB = $70

Grand Total = eating plain rice for 2 months probably. Bring it on  :))
« Last Edit: Thu, 03 December 2020, 10:23:43 by mechs »

Offline CookieFlow

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Re: [IC] grid 650, updated with GB info, plate options, and colorway.
« Reply #165 on: Thu, 03 December 2020, 14:28:53 »
This board is so awesome !

So since module 10 circle got delayed.
Will it be available on Zfrontier at a later date? Would it ship at the same time as the Grid 650 or later?
Can I order a BLE board and an extra wired PCB? Or if I want an extra PCB it needs to be BLE also?
« Last Edit: Thu, 03 December 2020, 19:34:09 by CookieFlow »

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Re: major updates on Module designs for grid 65
« Reply #166 on: Thu, 03 December 2020, 15:27:16 »

Show Image


Module Type-07 ARRAY
A module utilizes vintage LED displays to indicates time, personal texts, or computer hardware info (PC only).


It looks like a PDSP-188x you've got there! I love those displays I have 6 in a box right behind me. Any chance we would have a module that has more than two side-by-side? Maybe multiple lines of these displays arranged on the top of the keyboard?

Offline Havattack

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Re: [IC] grid 650, updated with GB info, plate options, and colorway.
« Reply #167 on: Thu, 03 December 2020, 17:37:20 »
You guys made a typo in the original post. The shipping date says April 2020... Or are we just doing 2020 over again?

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« Reply #168 on: Thu, 03 December 2020, 19:49:48 »
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Nevertheless, you will not be able to modify any BLE related keycodes unless VIA starts to support it. Still, it is possible to use the wired version firmware with the BLE board.

What does this mean, exactly? We won't be able to customize key mapping on the BLE version? I don't understand, would appreciate some help here.

Offline esosu0

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« Reply #169 on: Thu, 03 December 2020, 20:59:11 »
why does the hotswap pcb require such a thick plate?
It provides a more uniform feeling when used with the soft gaskets.
You can also choose the 1.5mm universal plate if you prefer that.
We will have a video to explain both plates.

Keen to see it, hoping 1.5mm plate with hotswap doesn't have any issues.

Offline RogueArchitect

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« Reply #170 on: Fri, 04 December 2020, 03:44:37 »
It is possible to get a 4mm thick universal plate?  I would really like the option to get both and more importantly the consistent feel the 4mm one is supposed to provide.

Is there a possibility for a hotswap PCB for the WKL version?

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Re: [IC] grid 650, updated with GB info, plate options, and colorway.
« Reply #171 on: Fri, 04 December 2020, 04:28:37 »
Hi there, I hate to say that... but neither of them is on our plan. Sorry....

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« Reply #172 on: Fri, 04 December 2020, 05:16:41 »
Hi there, I hate to say that... but neither of them is on our plan. Sorry....

Module Type-09 STAND needs to be modified so that the groove in the faceplate is longer. This will allow smartphones to lay horizontally.

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Re: [IC] grid 650, updated with GB info, plate options, and colorway.
« Reply #173 on: Fri, 04 December 2020, 21:50:34 »
Hi there, I hate to say that... but neither of them is on our plan. Sorry....

Module Type-09 STAND needs to be modified so that the groove in the faceplate is longer. This will allow smartphones to lay horizontally.

Thanks for pointing that out. Love that idea. Will improve. Many thanks!

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« Reply #174 on: Sat, 05 December 2020, 19:54:34 »
Hi there, I hate to say that... but neither of them is on our plan. Sorry....

Hi!
1. Is there any information about the colors of the case and modules?
2. Can you tell us more about module 07? What information can be displayed? How to program? Will the display be only red or will there be a choice?

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Re: [IC] grid 650, updated with GB info, plate options, and colorway.
« Reply #175 on: Sat, 05 December 2020, 21:06:17 »
Hi there, I hate to say that... but neither of them is on our plan. Sorry....

Hi!
1. Is there any information about the colors of the case and modules?
2. Can you tell us more about module 07? What information can be displayed? How to program? Will the display be only red or will there be a choice?

Hey,
1. For colors, please check https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109386.msg2986682#msg2986682
2. Module 7 uses a 4 DL1414 as display. Total 16 digits. It can display Time, Your PC hardware info (windows only), and text you want. It uses Arduino to program. Only red.

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Re: [IC] grid 650, updated with GB info, plate options, and colorway.
« Reply #176 on: Sun, 06 December 2020, 08:18:31 »
@Gridisphere

Hi,

Since module 10 circle got delayed.
Will it be available on Zfrontier at a later date? Would it ship at the same time as the Grid 650 or later?
Can I order a BLE board and an extra wired PCB? Or if I want an extra PCB it needs to be BLE also?

Thanks !

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Re: [IC] grid 650, updated with GB info, plate options, and colorway.
« Reply #177 on: Sun, 06 December 2020, 08:46:22 »
@Gridisphere

Hi,

Since module 10 circle got delayed.
Will it be available on Zfrontier at a later date? Would it ship at the same time as the Grid 650 or later?
Can I order a BLE board and an extra wired PCB? Or if I want an extra PCB it needs to be BLE also?

Thanks !

It would be, should be around March. Working on the resistance of the knob and possibly a completely new structure.
We will see if we can make that ship before May.

You can order a BLE board and a wired PCB. Both of them should work fine. The wired version is simply without the BLE module.

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Re: [IC] grid 650, updated with GB info, plate options, and colorway.
« Reply #178 on: Sun, 06 December 2020, 09:05:07 »
Hi there, I hate to say that... but neither of them is on our plan. Sorry....

Module Type-09 STAND needs to be modified so that the groove in the faceplate is longer. This will allow smartphones to lay horizontally.

Hi az5, we have improved the MOD 9 design according to your idea. Huge thanks! updates on the first page.

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Re: [IC] grid 650, updated with GB info, plate options, and colorway.
« Reply #179 on: Sun, 06 December 2020, 09:39:37 »
Sad to see the grey ano option got dismissed ( from the first Module 10 renders ), any chance for just the modules in a grey option? :D

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« Reply #180 on: Sun, 06 December 2020, 15:08:19 »
I wanted to ask about the side mounting points on the plate options.  There appears to be direct contact of the case and plate and then an o-ring before the screw.  I would think just based on looking at it that is would take away from the gasket mounted feel and if there was compression it might make noise when the two come back in to contact?  Clearly I'm missing something, can you help educate me as to how this works?

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« Reply #181 on: Sun, 06 December 2020, 15:19:02 »
What chip is BLE based on? Version 5.0?

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Re: [IC] grid 650, updated with GB info, plate options, and colorway.
« Reply #182 on: Sun, 06 December 2020, 17:27:59 »
So excited for this project to happen!

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Re: [IC] grid 650, updated with GB info, plate options, and colorway.
« Reply #183 on: Sun, 06 December 2020, 18:23:01 »
Sad to see the grey ano option got dismissed ( from the first Module 10 renders ), any chance for just the modules in a grey option? :D

Thanks for your feedback. We do like that grey color and it is highly likely we will make that available for that module.

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« Reply #184 on: Tue, 08 December 2020, 14:57:58 »
Iíve been away from the community for a spell, but I sure am glad I checked back in because ai donít want to miss out on this one! Great looking board!
 :thumb:

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« Reply #185 on: Tue, 08 December 2020, 22:49:10 »
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« Reply #186 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 02:18:52 »
so the ble version is not programmable?

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« Reply #187 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 17:02:20 »
Such a nce looking board!
wonder if the module can be avalible in E-white as well? Going for that universal look with the E white but silver seems not really matching and black is too subtle....
Also want more renders plz! Zfrontier dont have enough renders to show different options! TY

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« Reply #188 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 22:24:53 »
No plans for a hotswap layout 1.5mm plate? Would definitely prefer this to the 4mm plate

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« Reply #189 on: Thu, 10 December 2020, 06:13:42 »
Very thoughtful author!  :cool:

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« Reply #190 on: Thu, 10 December 2020, 07:10:16 »
so the ble version is not programmable?

I'm still trying to get an answer to this, I posted earlier but it hasn't been answered. I'm confused by the language about that too.

@gridishere, can you please address this?

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« Reply #191 on: Thu, 10 December 2020, 07:54:50 »
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65% layout, QMK BLE, with optional non BLE version

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All the boards run on QMK, and the wired variants are VIA-compatible.

For the BLE version, it is challenging due to the limits of ROM size. We are still working on that. Nevertheless, you will not be able to modify any BLE related keycodes unless VIA starts to support it. Still, it is possible to use the wired version firmware with the BLE board.

This means the BLE pcb supports QMK, which is fully programmable. :thumb:

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« Reply #192 on: Thu, 10 December 2020, 08:47:37 »
Can the BLE version also be used wired-mode, i mean once the keyboard is wired, will the Bluetooth shut down and will start to charge the battery while the keyboard will use the cable (low-latency)?

Or the bluetooth versione once is it wires, will just charge but the keyboard will still go in bluetooth mode (with the consequence of blt-latency)




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« Reply #193 on: Thu, 10 December 2020, 10:09:26 »
Hmmmm, the link has gone live but thereís are no items on the page yet. 

https://en.zfrontier.com/collections/grid-650

Perhaps that will change soon!

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« Reply #194 on: Thu, 10 December 2020, 11:21:05 »
It is live now, two more questions:

The list of countries for shipping is limited, is this the final list?
Can you provide more information about the catalina bootloader?

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« Reply #195 on: Thu, 10 December 2020, 11:38:04 »
I also had a few questions I just want to clarify before purchasing:

1. To confirm, since it's a little unclear, if I go with the BLE board, will VIA not work at all, not even if using it wired?
2. How complicated is the set up for the battery, especially if using the FLASH module? Is it worth going with BLE if I plan on using FLASH?
3. What is the plate material? How much stiffer will the 4mm plate be vs 1.5mm + felt?
4. I too was wondering how the bootloader will work for programming the FLASH module.
5. Will more modules be easily available at a later date?

Thanks so much! Super excited!

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« Reply #196 on: Thu, 10 December 2020, 13:17:20 »
Haven't seen anyone ask yet, is the solder PCB compatible with Mill-Max sockets?
(I'm aware there is a hotswap PCB option, but I'd like to have split backspace, stepped capslock, and some R1 changes, which are not supported by the hotswap layout)

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« Reply #197 on: Thu, 10 December 2020, 13:29:51 »
Was there going to be modules available for grid600? I think I remember reading that there would be. Thanks!

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Re: [IC] grid 650, updated with GB info, plate options, and colorway.
« Reply #198 on: Thu, 10 December 2020, 14:32:51 »
Seconding the Q about the "Battery DIY cables included" for the FLASH module. would this run off a separate battery? If the battery shown in the layered view renders is the one that powers the keyboard... where does the extra battery go? Or is FLASH only compatible with a wired version?

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« Reply #199 on: Thu, 10 December 2020, 17:33:03 »
Question:

Is front LED programmable?  How does it work for wired-only PCB?