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Offline KevenKeys

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[IC] Keebsake Artisan Tray
« on: Fri, 12 February 2021, 18:56:29 »
Keebsake Artisan Display Tray/Stand

An artisan display tray with a small footprint catering to those with smaller collections OR those who have a large collection but want to showcase their favorites in a non-archival case (no lid design). Case also features support for 2.25u artisans.

IC FORM: https://forms.gle/Pr1b1USmbFdBGb9HA

Prototypes in Hand:



First a Little About Me:
  • Hello everyone, my name is Kevin and by day I consult on finance and strategy. By night I am a bit of a creative creature involved in music production, photography, wood-working and even some interior design.   
    I’ve been in this super fun hobby for about a year. It started with a friend raving about his 65% (a Key65) which led me to buy my first 60%, which was an AnnePro2. I then moved on to an acrylic Tofu and a few weeks after that I was buying everything in sight. In the process, I fell in love with RAMA artisans. That love then spread to handmade artisans.

Why Did I Make This Case?
  • I have built up a small but special artisan collection since my introduction to the hobby. The only cases I have seen typically cater to large collectors with ~40-60 slots. I have also purchased many 2.25 RAMAs in groupbuys last year and this is a size that is missing in all of them.
Design Inspiration:
  • Elgato Stream deck / Macropads / WKL …………..let me explain
  • My initial prototype was smaller and was inspired by Macropads and the Elgato stream deck. I loved the way Alexotos and Taeha would have their macropads sitting on their desks with fun artisans.
  • The streamdeck lent inspiration in the way my case is angled.
  • After receiving my initial prototype, my Nautilus RAMA arrived and I realized I had no place to put it. I went back to my model and wanted to find a way to elegantly integrate support for 2.25u artisans. After about 10 revisions I had something I liked and that friends in the hobby also liked. Enter one of my favorite aesthetics in the keyboard scene… WKL.
  • I guess this makes it a WKL artisan case? LOL
There Is Another Project With This Name!
  • After coming up with what seemed like a great name (a play on keepsakes) months ago, it turns out an awesome person came up with it 2.5 years ago for a neat way of storing their keycaps! JwordFish was kind enough to let me share in the name for the product as I do not intend on using it as a brand name. Check out his project at www.Keebsake.com which will lead you to his project on Instagram! He is still very much interested in making them a reality and plans to continue prototyping new sizes! He has other ideas up his sleeve as well! Check it out and let him know if you like his project!
TLDR. Just Give Me The Details!
Features:
  • Designed to hold ten 1u sized artisans PLUS two 2.25u keys OR four additional 1u artisans. The slots run larger than the typical keycap size to make room for larger artisans like Ookeys from Hungry Hustlers (They are thicc)
  • Keebsake name engraving in the bottom right 2.25u slot
  • Approx 6” wide, 3.75”deep and 2.5” tall

Prototypes:
  • I have 2 Prototypes in hand (one anodized in black and the other is Polycarb)  from a mid-tier manufacturer but have also ordered 3 prototypes in Lilac, Navy and Steel Gray from a higher quality manufacturer.
  • The aluminum version uses 6063 for optimal finish.
  • The polycarb has the “keebsake” name actually engraved, while the aluminum is more of an etch. The form has questions on this.
  • These prototypes came out surprisingly well. The machining is good on both and the anode is surprisingly good on the black one. However, there were some small “dots” which look like something scratched them on the legs or it is where they hung them for anodization (which makes no sense when I left holes for them to hang from underneath). Waiting on a response from the initial manufacturer (away for CNY) but I may end up moving with the higher tier manufacturer regardless because they produced many keyboards in the community and Hiney recommended them to me (if you read this thank you). I am also in talks with 2 US based companies to see if I can get some competitive quotes on this project.
  • Also please note that on the polycarb variant you can see the “hang holes” for the aluminum versions. Not sure if the factory will allow me to use 2 separate files from a scaling standpoint but if they can I will have those removed.
Pricing
  • TBD - I am prioritizing quality on this and expect it to be approx. $150
  • Yes, that puts this as a luxury piece but anyone collecting artisans or keyboards knows this hobby is a luxury to begin with. There is quite a bit of machining involved as well on all sides for this design.
  • There are excellent alternatives to this BUT this one is designed to be sort of a centerpiece for your collection.
QTY
  • 100 units is the goal
Colors:
  • Black, Poly, Steel Gray, Lilac and Navy for now.
  • May be forced to reduce the offering to 4 options though.
  • Please provide feedback in the form
  • Open to suggestions as I know E-white is popular for keyboards. Didn’t run E-white as a prototype because it’s a neutral color and I felt Poly did a better job at being neutral. That’s just my opinion. Voice yours in the form!
  • Keep in mind prototypes have been ordered already. The thinking was these colors have been some of the most popular in recent GBs and therefore the color matching has been proven.
More Pictures (And More to Come):




The poly takes on background RGB nicely!

Next steps / Road map
  • Looking to obtain feedback from the community before running the GB
  • Please fill the form out
  • Lilac, Gray and Navy have been ordered and should be in hand by the end of March (hoping this is a conservative date).
  • Confirm color selections and any changes.
  • If there is international interest (fill out the form!) I will find out if it makes sense to use a vendor for international orders
  • Hoping to run the buy mid-April.
  • Production time was quoted at 30 days for 100 units so I will go ahead and say a 3 month timeline is what I am expecting.
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« Last Edit: Thu, 25 February 2021, 21:26:32 by KevenKeys »

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 12 February 2021, 18:57:47 »
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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 12 February 2021, 19:00:07 »
Oh my God, YES!! I need this!!! Beautiful case, very elegant -- definitely getting one  :D

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 17 February 2021, 18:12:18 »
*Update* So I am hoping to get more feedback in the google forms so I have a larger sample size to go off of BUT so far It looks like I need to offer E-white and need to change fonts. I am 100% in support of that. I only used the font I had to test the idea of having the engraving in the first place. Now is a good time to play with some changes since I have a few days before the factory returns from CNY and begins my 2nd round of prototypes. I am going to swap E-white in and pull the gray one out. Also in the feedback form someone suggested what turned out to be an awesome font. Here are some screenshots of the model with the new font:



 I love this new font. Can you guys tell me what you think of this font please?

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Thank you :)

Oh my God, YES!! I need this!!! Beautiful case, very elegant -- definitely getting one  :D

Haha thank you!

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[IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 17 February 2021, 23:06:09 »
Haha,  SO SICK. Good job :)


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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #5 on: Wed, 17 February 2021, 23:15:50 »
It might be good to offer a variant with the 2.25U slots split into two 1U slots. Would look cleaner for those that don't have any 2.25U artisans

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 17 February 2021, 23:50:16 »
I like dis. I almost feel like it would be nice to only have one large artisan slot in the bottom center.

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 18 February 2021, 00:09:28 »
It might be good to offer a variant with the 2.25U slots split into two 1U slots. Would look cleaner for those that don't have any 2.25U artisans

I agree on this.  A UV resistant lid would also be a nice addition if this will be exposed to light all the time.  Cool idea regardless, I like smaller artisan cases.

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 18 February 2021, 02:11:00 »
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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 18 February 2021, 09:15:17 »
This is very nice
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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 18 February 2021, 09:27:56 »
Fantastic concept and design! Looks like it shows off your artisans beautifully. I'm not a huge fan of handwriting style fonts, but that's personal preference so probably irrelevant.

Offline KevenKeys

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #11 on: Sat, 20 February 2021, 12:07:57 »
Just want to start off by saying thank you all for taking the time to check out the post and for responding with feedback! I really do appreciate it regardless if you want one or not.

I like dis. I almost feel like it would be nice to only have one large artisan slot in the bottom center.
So bottom center as in remove the blocker?

This is very nice
Thank you!
Haha,  SO SICK. Good job :)


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Thank you!

It might be good to offer a variant with the 2.25U slots split into two 1U slots. Would look cleaner for those that don't have any 2.25U artisans
Thank you for the feedback. So offering 2 variants might only become viable with larger quantities. Based on feedback so far I doubt I will get there on a first run. That being said, the creative juices are flowing and I have an idea that might make both sides happy. I am reworking the model and will have to get new quotes for it so hang tight. Just for my knowledge, what do you think of how it looks/works in its current state? I have a picture up where I have 2 1u artisans in the 2.25 slot. Is it unsightly? Thanks again!

It might be good to offer a variant with the 2.25U slots split into two 1U slots. Would look cleaner for those that don't have any 2.25U artisans

I agree on this.  A UV resistant lid would also be a nice addition if this will be exposed to light all the time.  Cool idea regardless, I like smaller artisan cases.
Thanks for the feedback! So this topic is pretty interesting and I have been reaching out to artisan makers for opinions. I would also love to have a healthy discussion on this topic too bc I AM SUPER CURIOUS to hear what people have to say. I reached out to one of my favorite artisan makers and we chatted about UV and current/past case offerings. If you look at many of the GBs that have passed I can only see Archetypes beautiful Chronos being one of the only ones that state the lid is coated for UV protection. Simple acrylic and glass do not possess the ability to block "most" UV light in their common uncoated state. When you buy prescription glasses you get the ability to purchase similar coatings for your lens. I am no expert on the subject and would prefer to hear stories of how and when people noticed their artisans yellowing. This one particular maker mention their artisans are on their desk in a lid-less case and 2 have been on there for more than a year next to a window. Mixed resin is pretty resistant to UV compared to unmixed is what I was told. 

All that being said, on this particular design I really do like to see my artisans without any glare. The subject becomes one that appears in other worlds filled with collectors which is a split discussion. If you had the original Mona Lisa in your collection would you keep in a vault protected and never look at it OR would you hang up somewhere you could appreciate it. If you had a Ferrari F40 would it be a garage queen or would you take it out to the track? No wrong answer here at all. I bring this up to mention this case is for those who want to see them, grab them and swap them pretty frequently. You can even have the best of both worlds by having something like a Wongbox, Naptime, Stashbox, Sisi, or Chronos for storage/preservation of the larger collection and leave some favorites on the desk on here. This has a smaller footprint after all.

Super excited to hear some thoughts on this!! 

Fantastic concept and design! Looks like it shows off your artisans beautifully. I'm not a huge fan of handwriting style fonts, but that's personal preference so probably irrelevant.

Thank you! I am playing with the idea of moving the engraving to the back of the top piece. I will drop a picture soon and ask for feedback on that as well!


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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #12 on: Sat, 20 February 2021, 21:35:39 »

It might be good to offer a variant with the 2.25U slots split into two 1U slots. Would look cleaner for those that don't have any 2.25U artisans
Thank you for the feedback. So offering 2 variants might only become viable with larger quantities. Based on feedback so far I doubt I will get there on a first run. That being said, the creative juices are flowing and I have an idea that might make both sides happy. I am reworking the model and will have to get new quotes for it so hang tight. Just for my knowledge, what do you think of how it looks/works in its current state? I have a picture up where I have 2 1u artisans in the 2.25 slot. Is it unsightly? Thanks again!

Personally speaking (by no means on behalf of anyone else) it does look a bit weird especially when the rows above are split into 1x1 slots.
There's also a possibility that if caps aren't aligned properly to the left/right in the 2.25u slot it just looks a bit weird lol

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 21 February 2021, 01:47:28 »
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It might be good to offer a variant with the 2.25U slots split into two 1U slots. Would look cleaner for those that don't have any 2.25U artisans

I agree on this.  A UV resistant lid would also be a nice addition if this will be exposed to light all the time.  Cool idea regardless, I like smaller artisan cases.
Thanks for the feedback! So this topic is pretty interesting and I have been reaching out to artisan makers for opinions. I would also love to have a healthy discussion on this topic too bc I AM SUPER CURIOUS to hear what people have to say. I reached out to one of my favorite artisan makers and we chatted about UV and current/past case offerings. If you look at many of the GBs that have passed I can only see Archetypes beautiful Chronos being one of the only ones that state the lid is coated for UV protection. Simple acrylic and glass do not possess the ability to block "most" UV light in their common uncoated state. When you buy prescription glasses you get the ability to purchase similar coatings for your lens. I am no expert on the subject and would prefer to hear stories of how and when people noticed their artisans yellowing. This one particular maker mention their artisans are on their desk in a lid-less case and 2 have been on there for more than a year next to a window. Mixed resin is pretty resistant to UV compared to unmixed is what I was told. 

All that being said, on this particular design I really do like to see my artisans without any glare. The subject becomes one that appears in other worlds filled with collectors which is a split discussion. If you had the original Mona Lisa in your collection would you keep in a vault protected and never look at it OR would you hang up somewhere you could appreciate it. If you had a Ferrari F40 would it be a garage queen or would you take it out to the track? No wrong answer here at all. I bring this up to mention this case is for those who want to see them, grab them and swap them pretty frequently. You can even have the best of both worlds by having something like a Wongbox, Naptime, Stashbox, Sisi, or Chronos for storage/preservation of the larger collection and leave some favorites on the desk on here. This has a smaller footprint after all.

Super excited to hear some thoughts on this!!

UV damage is real.  You can look at any white artisan from years past and see the signs.  One maker may not experience it as much based on material selection, however its real.  You can look at window tint as an example.  There is tint that blocks UV rays.  Ive made this suggestion to other people in the past with no success, so dont feel like saying "no" is a bad thing.  Just throwing it out there.

But also, dust.

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 24 February 2021, 20:11:40 »
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It might be good to offer a variant with the 2.25U slots split into two 1U slots. Would look cleaner for those that don't have any 2.25U artisans

I agree on this.  A UV resistant lid would also be a nice addition if this will be exposed to light all the time.  Cool idea regardless, I like smaller artisan cases.
Thanks for the feedback! So this topic is pretty interesting and I have been reaching out to artisan makers for opinions. I would also love to have a healthy discussion on this topic too bc I AM SUPER CURIOUS to hear what people have to say. I reached out to one of my favorite artisan makers and we chatted about UV and current/past case offerings. If you look at many of the GBs that have passed I can only see Archetypes beautiful Chronos being one of the only ones that state the lid is coated for UV protection. Simple acrylic and glass do not possess the ability to block "most" UV light in their common uncoated state. When you buy prescription glasses you get the ability to purchase similar coatings for your lens. I am no expert on the subject and would prefer to hear stories of how and when people noticed their artisans yellowing. This one particular maker mention their artisans are on their desk in a lid-less case and 2 have been on there for more than a year next to a window. Mixed resin is pretty resistant to UV compared to unmixed is what I was told. 

All that being said, on this particular design I really do like to see my artisans without any glare. The subject becomes one that appears in other worlds filled with collectors which is a split discussion. If you had the original Mona Lisa in your collection would you keep in a vault protected and never look at it OR would you hang up somewhere you could appreciate it. If you had a Ferrari F40 would it be a garage queen or would you take it out to the track? No wrong answer here at all. I bring this up to mention this case is for those who want to see them, grab them and swap them pretty frequently. You can even have the best of both worlds by having something like a Wongbox, Naptime, Stashbox, Sisi, or Chronos for storage/preservation of the larger collection and leave some favorites on the desk on here. This has a smaller footprint after all.

Super excited to hear some thoughts on this!!

UV damage is real.  You can look at any white artisan from years past and see the signs.  One maker may not experience it as much based on material selection, however its real.  You can look at window tint as an example.  There is tint that blocks UV rays.  Ive made this suggestion to other people in the past with no success, so dont feel like saying "no" is a bad thing.  Just throwing it out there.

But also, dust.

I hope that didn't come out wrong. I 100% know that UV damage in resin is real. I've filled in cavities and cracks in live edge slabs with resin in my wood projects. If I were to look at some of the shelves throughout my house, there is one in particular with resin fills which yellowed quite a bit over time. It used to hang about a foot away from floor to ceiling glass windows on the 5th floor of an apartment complex that would get drenched in sun for a few years. That is the only one that has yellowed. So its not a matter of "if" more so its a matter of how long it takes under which conditions (which is beyond me to calculate lol). I have a wood table with resin filling that receives quite a bit of sun daily but is not in direct sunlight and it has not yellowed (about 6 years old). I imagine most desk setups are not in direct sunlight because it would be hard to work. All that to say.... I try not to let the worry take the fun out of the hobby. If I am too afraid of UV I would probably not even mount them on a keyboard either.

I do appreciate the input and the part where saying "no" is ok. Its a good reminder to myself. To be honest I do feel like if I adjust the design to accommodate a lid, I will need to raise the sides and we will have the typical box look which is great, but not what I was trying to do here. Most likely a lid will not happen on this design but I will keep an open mind as I continue playing with designs!

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 24 February 2021, 22:16:19 »
Don't add a lid. This is a Key tray, not a case. I have a few similar trays and I love that I can just swap caps in and out. Stay true to your vision. The people who want significant changes aren't going to be customers anyway.
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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #16 on: Thu, 25 February 2021, 11:10:07 »
Don't add a lid. This is a Key tray, not a case. I have a few similar trays and I love that I can just swap caps in and out. Stay true to your vision. The people who want significant changes aren't going to be customers anyway.

I am so glad you posted in here.... every time I describe this project to people I use the word tray. I wanted to call it a tray but ended up calling it a case. I didn't know if the word tray would make sense for most. Appreciate the words!! How you use your trays is how I use this!