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Offline devpm

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AZERTY keycaps... Where to find
« on: Fri, 02 April 2021, 05:18:46 »
Hello everyone! I am a new mechanical keyboard enthusiast but living in Belgium I have one issue... AZERTY keyboards.

Would you know great places where I can find AZERTY keycaps?

And also please, when creating keycaps... Think about us... Poor AZERTY users. You would make our life much easier.  ;)

The latest one I saw taking care of us was 'EPBT the one' and each time is see a great keycap that match my taste... No AZERTY.

Sorry if there was an existing thread around this... But I did not find any.

And enjoy your Thock... :)

Philippe aka Toxine  ;D


Offline sefixmm

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Re: AZERTY keycaps... Where to find
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 03 April 2021, 09:14:35 »
When you say AZERTY, you mean ISO Be or ISO Fr ?

Offline devpm

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Re: AZERTY keycaps... Where to find
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 03 April 2021, 10:00:29 »
I am more in line with the BE as I am living in Belgium but even a FR one would be welcome :)


Offline sefixmm

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Re: AZERTY keycaps... Where to find
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 03 April 2021, 11:18:50 »
A compatriot :cool:

To be honest it's almost impossible to find new sets in ISO Be or Fr (except rare exceptions like the set you quote).

So you have to try to find old Cherry keyboards to get the Alphas back.

Offline keguira

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Re: AZERTY keycaps... Where to find
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 03 April 2021, 12:45:33 »
welcome to the hell of french customers who don't want to switch to ISO-EN or even ANSI :) I saw the same ones. There are some sets on aliexpress but not a lot. Glorious is making some ABS caps in ISO-FR but you may not like them.
Like some said on other forums : "if you  find a ISO-FR keycaps kit, buy it because you will not find another one".

As for market share, the "kit baguette" for EPBT the one did not even reach 100 units from the Group By so i understand why others are not proposing it ... Also you still can buy it if you want as I can see : it will be produced but not for more than 100 units.

An other option would be to switch to blank keycaps with some special mod to make it fancy but you may not like it.

Offline Surefoot

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Re: AZERTY keycaps... Where to find
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 03 April 2021, 13:12:31 »
As usual in this hobby: you will need patience. Do not expect to find anything in stock, unless you are quick enough to grab extras from a group buy.
As for group buys with ISO FR (and sometimes BE) extensions: look at KAT sets, as they are PBT dye sublimated there's a lot of freedom on what kind of kit you can make, so there's usually an ISO FR kit to cater to the very few Frenchies out here. I think KAT Napoleonic had a ISO BE extension, but that's not the only one.

Offline keguira

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Re: AZERTY keycaps... Where to find
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 03 April 2021, 14:40:22 »
have a look on interest: this kit, for example, says it will "cover most European ISO layouts". So yes: patience

Offline salgiza

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Re: AZERTY keycaps... Where to find
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 03 April 2021, 16:46:16 »
This IC thread includes an Azerty kit. I don’t know if it will include the keycaps needed for a BE keyboard, but you might ask if it is possible to add them, if not.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107942.200

You can ignore the Origami IC, though. I’m also a newbie in this, but I already hate how frequently I read something like “covers most European ISO layouts” or “international kit”... and then it’s just a NorDeUk kit. Which covers, what? 5 out of 44 possible EU layouts?

In addition to KAT sets, check for those that use a flat profile (such as DSA). You probably are already aware of this, but, just in case: this means that all keycaps are identical, regardless of the row that they are in. So you could rearrange the keys to make an AZERTY layout without problems and, most importantly, as there is no need to create a full AZERTY kit in order to support FR/BE layouts, the chance that they might include keycaps for your layout are higher (even if still low, I must admit).
« Last Edit: Sat, 03 April 2021, 16:49:16 by salgiza »

Offline Matchablossom

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Re: AZERTY keycaps... Where to find
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 04 April 2021, 03:20:52 »
I'm kinda in the same boat. But for Swiss layout. I can salvage *some* keys from the usual "international" kits but by far not enough. At least I can run a QWERTZ set so I can't fathom how frustrating it must be for you AZERTY folks. But I feel you.

"Covers most EU setups" is definitely a lie lol

I was wondering this for a while. What would you think of setting up an IC for a very simple WoB or BoW GMK keyset but specifically for some International kits such as a FR/BE/CH kit. We could add more if there's interest. The kit would reach over 60 keys but with combined forces we might be able to do it? Just for *once* to have a high quality set with the legends I actually want.
A WoB set might even work for some sets that have lighter Alphas.

IDK. Just for *once* have the right set would be nice. I do not have the slightest idea how to pull that off but maybe it's worth a try?

Finding old cherry keyboards to get them just seems... idk... running old, faded, dirty caps just to have the legends I want, on a 500$ board seems bad to me.

Not to mention the comments I get from my peers.
"So you telling me this thing costs several hundred bucks but only has US layout? Really?"

The pain is real.....

Offline glibber

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Re: AZERTY keycaps... Where to find
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 04 April 2021, 05:07:27 »
I was wondering this for a while. What would you think of setting up an IC for a very simple WoB or BoW GMK keyset but specifically for some International kits such as a FR/BE/CH kit. We could add more if there's interest. The kit would reach over 60 keys but with combined forces we might be able to do it? Just for *once* to have a high quality set with the legends I actually want.
A WoB set might even work for some sets that have lighter Alphas.

This has been tried for for a NorDe set. You can read how it went here...

I'm always looking for ISO-DE layouts, so I'm in a similar situation. Anything other than ANSI or maybe ISO-UK sometimes is just incredibly rare. There was this idea to provide a guideline/toolkit for designers to make it easier and cheaper to include ISO kits, maybe something like that is worth reviving.

Offline Matchablossom

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Re: AZERTY keycaps... Where to find
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 04 April 2021, 06:15:25 »
This is all quite old. And involves the De kit which is very well represented if there are so called "International" kits.

I think Germany, UK, Denmark amd Swedes are very lucky to be the ones represented in those "International" kits.

I was hoping to do a french kit and add Swiss as well. Basically what is NOT represented in that one falsely called "International" kit.

Maybe it has more resonance since these languages are never covered.

I wish the GB process wouldn't be so limited and flexibility from the manufacturer would be more considerate towards other nationalities.

Offline Surefoot

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Re: AZERTY keycaps... Where to find
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 04 April 2021, 06:34:50 »
FYI there's one Swiss layout IC for a GMK WoB/BoW: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=111202.0

Offline Matchablossom

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Re: AZERTY keycaps... Where to find
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 04 April 2021, 06:48:34 »
!!!!

Thank you so much for linking this! Definitely interested!

Offline sefixmm

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Re: AZERTY keycaps... Where to find
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 04 April 2021, 08:53:28 »
FYI there's one Swiss layout IC for a GMK WoB/BoW: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=111202.0

That's very cool, hope we can have the same in ISO Be and Fr :)

Offline keguira

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Re: AZERTY keycaps... Where to find
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 04 April 2021, 14:08:35 »
found one in here : YMDK Hami Melon

But not ISO-BE, only ISO-FR. Sorry
« Last Edit: Sun, 04 April 2021, 14:13:35 by keguira »

Offline seville57

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Re: AZERTY keycaps... Where to find
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 05 April 2021, 04:04:34 »
This is all quite old. And involves the De kit which is very well represented if there are so called "International" kits.

I think Germany, UK, Denmark amd Swedes are very lucky to be the ones represented in those "International" kits.

I was hoping to do a french kit and add Swiss as well. Basically what is NOT represented in that one falsely called "International" kit.

Maybe it has more resonance since these languages are never covered.

I wish the GB process wouldn't be so limited and flexibility from the manufacturer would be more considerate towards other nationalities.

Here in sweden we have ISO/Nordic - Swedish, Danish and Norwgien letters on some  same keycaps  and , and many swedes ar not happy with it, they just want the and in swedish letters on those keycaps. I stopped usin ISO/Nordic keyboards for some years ago and are only usin ANSI keyboards. It is a hell here in Sweden to find good lookin ISO/Nordic keycaps sets.

Swedish site with ISO/Nordic and some ANSI keycaps sets and more:

https://www.maxgaming.se/sv/datortillbehor/tangentbord-tillbehor/keycaps


The ISO/Nordic and letter problem:


ISO/Nordic yellow keycaps set from Ducky.
The black keycaps don't belong to the Ducky set.
« Last Edit: Mon, 05 April 2021, 04:28:01 by seville57 »

Offline salgiza

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Re: AZERTY keycaps... Where to find
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 06 April 2021, 10:17:44 »
Another IC with an AZERTY kit:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=111565.0

Offline keguira

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Re: AZERTY keycaps... Where to find
« Reply #17 on: Tue, 06 April 2021, 13:55:32 »
Yes, following it too.

Sorry my little wallet...  :-\

Offline sefixmm

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Re: AZERTY keycaps... Where to find
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 07 April 2021, 08:55:47 »
Love the way people think AZERTY is only one layout.... :rolleyes:

Offline keguira

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Re: AZERTY keycaps... Where to find
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 07 April 2021, 09:08:23 »
Love the way people think AZERTY is only one layout.... :rolleyes:

yes and i'm sorry for ISO-BE customers here  :(

I think it's because people are sometimes confused with ISO Layout for European countries... I took a look at other ISO layouts, usually they are renamed ISO-UK because of this confusion.
The diversity of European layouts is one of the main reasons they are not made (with the potential market)
« Last Edit: Wed, 07 April 2021, 09:17:23 by keguira »

Offline sefixmm

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Re: AZERTY keycaps... Where to find
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 07 April 2021, 11:20:32 »
You do not have to excuse. The confusion is normal, we have so many layout variants here in Europe, even for us is sometime hard to remember all of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#Latin-script_keyboard_layouts

;)

Offline BullRage

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Re: AZERTY keycaps... Where to find
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 07 April 2021, 12:52:58 »
I feel you, even though I'm German and there are some sets, that support ISO-DE. Though never the sets I liked.
So my advice for you or at least what I did, was trying uniform keycap-profiles like DSA or KAM, with some novelties mixed in.
That wasn't a perfect solution, so I switched to ANSI and EURKey-layout.
Google it, it made my "life" so much easier.
Look at the layout and maybe try it. It didn't even take 2 weeks for me to get used to ANSI and EURKey.

And btw. now after I tried ANSI, I think it's even more ergonomic/comfortable.
Proud owner of nothing!

Offline sefixmm

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Re: AZERTY keycaps... Where to find
« Reply #22 on: Sat, 10 April 2021, 03:22:40 »
ISO De is easy to find, you can find lot of old cherry boards with ISO De keycaps. And some new GMK keysets support that layout.

ISO Be is really hard to find, in 5 years in the hobby i only find less than 10 cherry sets, and i never see a new GMK keysets with ISO Be support.

That's why like you, lot of people go on ANSI layout, it's more easy ;)
« Last Edit: Sat, 10 April 2021, 06:52:29 by sefixmm »

Offline keguira

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Re: AZERTY keycaps... Where to find
« Reply #23 on: Sat, 10 April 2021, 10:38:50 »
ISO De is easy to find, you can find lot of old cherry boards with ISO De keycaps. And some new GMK keysets support that layout.

ISO Be is really hard to find, in 5 years in the hobby i only find less than 10 cherry sets, and i never see a new GMK keysets with ISO Be support.

That's why like you, lot of people go on ANSI layout, it's more easy ;)

"Easy" : it depends on the person behind the keyboard and if it will be used by multiple persons in the house  :'(