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Offline Lanx

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« Reply #50 on: Thu, 21 October 2010, 09:38:36 »
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Sponsors. Or prizes from competition.

My brother use to represent Malaysian Counter Strike for WCG.


From what i heard, the South korean players get paid well + more respect and recognition for their skills than any other country.


lol there's a difference between pro gaming in the US and pro gaming in S.Korea.

In S.Korea it's a multilayer business spanning all forms of media/social and everything, when tween girls have a favorite starcraft idol it's awesome.

In the US pro gaming is basically... "get a job slacker"
Oh i think i saw you fail on the sci fi channel "ultimate gamer"

Offline Parak

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« Reply #51 on: Thu, 21 October 2010, 10:03:23 »
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Wait, there are girls on the internet?


Ah, internets. Where men are men, women are men, and kids are FBI agents.

Offline Arc'xer

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« Reply #52 on: Thu, 21 October 2010, 12:03:29 »
Most of that long post is so full of **** most pro-gamers are playing out of habit not intelligence. And most of these issues fall squarely on Counter-crap. Can't believe that piece of **** game is even that popular, worse I can't believe I wasted my time playing it. I can go all day with all the problems with that game.

Not wanting to re-post everything but it's a shame this never took over.

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=12100

This was and ironically still is a much superior game even making some milsims look they are lacking.

Polling rate is very important it's strange you spit on it. For a keyboard no but a mouse yes very much so. And it's 500Hz not 1000Hz, fluctuations occur way too much over 500hz. Polling rate provides smoother updates and increases the max tracking speed on many engines, plus the obvious computer is asking while the mouse is replying it's position much more often leading to a more accurate movement. Despite the fact those mice are outdated compared to current mice you should have known full well that polling rate benefits those mice much more so than current mice.

No a keyboard will not make you play better. But most people don't realize just how bad of a keyboard they have. Reminds me of this post I ran into a while back in '07 while looking up a new keyboard to buy and running into a link dating back to '04 of someone doing tests on keyboards to determine input lag. With some keyboards reaching almost 100ms delay before the action is produced.

People get used to playing with what they have. If they've been playing with **** equipment they will get used to it. Just funny people overlook superior equipment will it make you better no but enhancing the input/output results is a benefit whether you accept it or not.

Offline MyNameIsDan

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« Reply #53 on: Thu, 21 October 2010, 13:44:07 »
I just find it amusing how everyone is resaying the same obvious things over and over. Its by human nature that we are able to get used to the gear we have and make do with it and eventually be used to it and play any game fine, given the peripherals were not absolute **** (stick keys, malfunction, etc).

Despite all that, you can't deny the small maybe negligible conveniences better peripherals offer. Better glide, better sensitivity (in relative to user's desires), better polling rate (anything over 500hz in negligible, although it will be extremely hard to tell the difference from 125hz as well) no pos/neg accel, no issue with/better lift off distance, sens swaps, extra buttons, ergo shape, etc can all help add up to your performance. Of course these are never NEEDED strictly to become a better/good gamer, but if it offers even the smallest edge then more to them.

Me personally, while I can stand using cheap peripherals for gaming and other everyday use, I prefer to use things that gives me the best comfort and feel and since I'm a computer geek I'm willing to drop the money on it. Currently using a filco brown nkro with steelseries xai (on 9hd). And yes I prefer hard mats over cloth mats for the glide, altho they eat away the mouse feet so much faster.... Also have a g5, g500 and an ikari lying around in the house as well as a mx518. Used to game a lot but with school I haven't found the time to play them like I used to... good old high school. If anyone is curious as to why I'm not using the g5 and g500, they're too heavy. I'm used to lighweight mice for lifting and what not, and it feels awkward to use on RTS games.

tl;dr: expensive peripherals do not help in the same sense raw skill does. use whatever you feel is the most comfortable as comfort is the key.

Oh and back to question at hand: I was also in the same boat as you, but since I don't game as much as I used to and tend to code a lot for CS classes, I went for the browns since they were the best compromise. I don't regret it at all, since its a blast to type on (maybe not fun, but its easy and comfortable) and feel great to use in games (RTS at least). The low force requirement hasn't been an issue for me at all, just have to get used to the lightness and you'll be fine. Although I honestly think people here are exaggerating the stiffness and discomfort of cherry blacks, but I'm starting to understand why because once you get used to the lightness of browns/blues, feels like anything stiffer like rubber domes are a pain to type on (Read: hard to type due to not being light keystrokes). Since you were last using a Model M, I think cherry blacks should be fine for typing and gaming.

So if gaming (FPS) is your main concern, I think blacks are the way to go. but I guess its too late since you're set on buying browns i think, lol.
« Last Edit: Thu, 21 October 2010, 14:03:47 by MyNameIsDan »
Current Keyboard: Filco Majestouch 104 Browns (FKBN104M/EB)

Current Mice: Steelseries Xai (1400cc//800cc) on Steelseries 9HD.

Anyone want to donate me a keycap remover? <3

Offline MyNameIsDan

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« Reply #54 on: Thu, 21 October 2010, 15:54:57 »
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Unless the OP is European he is gonna be waiting quite a while for Filco or Das Cherry Browns.

Christmas panic is setting in!


Does elitekeyboard have xmas/boxing day sales?
Current Keyboard: Filco Majestouch 104 Browns (FKBN104M/EB)

Current Mice: Steelseries Xai (1400cc//800cc) on Steelseries 9HD.

Anyone want to donate me a keycap remover? <3

Offline celery

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« Reply #55 on: Thu, 21 October 2010, 19:54:48 »
No basketball game has been decided by a shoe, no golf tournament has been decided by a driver, and no gaming tournament has come down to the choice of keyboard or mouse. Won't stop anyone from dropping huge bucks on the gear though.

Those full-body swimsuits, though? Totally different story.

Offline LawnJesus

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« Reply #56 on: Thu, 21 October 2010, 20:14:33 »
I'm not a very competitive player, so that also influences my decision as to why I don't really want Cherry Blacks, and am still favoring my personal desire for Cherry Browns.

I have also invested a small amount of interest in the HHKB, but that little bastard is really confusing and expensive.
-IBM Model M #1391401 09/30/92

Offline celery

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« Reply #57 on: Thu, 21 October 2010, 21:04:28 »
Have you tried checking your local big box electronics store (if any) for keyboards? Around me, the Fry's has Steelseries 7Gs on display. Sometimes it even has enough keycaps left on it to try typing on. The blacks are different enough that it's nice to be able to try them before buying.

Offline muchadoaboutnothing

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« Reply #58 on: Thu, 21 October 2010, 22:28:40 »
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Does elitekeyboard have xmas/boxing day sales?

I dunno, but EK has been busy as of late. It took me four days to get an invoice for some keyboard roofs and a keycap puller. Sales are probably brisk so I'm wondering if many sales are in the future.

To be fair, he got caught in my spam on August 31st and I only replied mid-October when I was cleaning things out. That's a pretty valid reason to take care of other customers first (and this isn't sarcastic, I honestly don't care. Brian has been fine in my book).

So he's probably dealing with orders and other business jazz. No need for any significant price cuts.
« Last Edit: Thu, 21 October 2010, 22:30:46 by muchadoaboutnothing »

Offline LawnJesus

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« Reply #59 on: Sat, 23 October 2010, 02:25:23 »
My impression with the ABS M1 keyboard is it has its own keyswitches, but they have the same sound as Cherry Browns.

Can someone verify this? Anyone ever have experience with them?
-IBM Model M #1391401 09/30/92

Offline muchadoaboutnothing

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« Reply #60 on: Sat, 23 October 2010, 10:48:42 »
I love my brown Filco but I also love the clickiness of the blues. If I could get the MX Brown switch (slightly lighter, weaker tactile bump) with the blue clickiness I think I would have the perfect switch.

Right now I've been enjoying the blues but I may switch back to the browns soon enough.

Offline muchadoaboutnothing

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« Reply #61 on: Sat, 23 October 2010, 11:20:20 »
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You could spend a rainy day shaving the tactile bump off each stem.

Whittling Blue Cherrys I believe would get you a Boy Scout Badge.


I'd find a way to mess that up.

Besides, I'm an Eagle Scout - I don't need any more merit badges.

Offline LawnJesus

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« Reply #62 on: Sun, 24 October 2010, 19:22:07 »
I guess I'ma have to wait a bit to save for a FILCO in browns. It kinda sucks that I gotta spend that extra money on the NKRO feature, but oh well. At least I know it'll last me long enough.
-IBM Model M #1391401 09/30/92

Offline MyNameIsDan

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« Reply #63 on: Sun, 24 October 2010, 20:07:32 »
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I guess I'ma have to wait a bit to save for a FILCO in browns. It kinda sucks that I gotta spend that extra money on the NKRO feature, but oh well. At least I know it'll last me long enough.


It'll be worth it :)
Current Keyboard: Filco Majestouch 104 Browns (FKBN104M/EB)

Current Mice: Steelseries Xai (1400cc//800cc) on Steelseries 9HD.

Anyone want to donate me a keycap remover? <3

Offline aegrotatio

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« Reply #64 on: Sun, 24 October 2010, 21:54:24 »
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ABS M1 is crap.

Well, it's crap if all you cared about was the lack of key rollover.
The switches are very pleasant, like non-clicky ALPS from the old days.
I still feel the community went overboard blasting this company over the rollover problem.  I've said it before, they killed a good mechanical keyboard.

I'm shocked that Newegg risked producing another mechanical keyboard in this kind of environment.

So, why aren't people protesting and blasting the Adesso mechanicals that say they have rollover but actually do not?  They cost 10-30% higher than the ABS M1 did.
Daily Drivers: Ducky DK1087XM || DSI ASK-6600 || Rosewill RK-9000 BL, BR, BL, and RE || ABS M1 || Das Keyboard Silent || HHKB Lite and Lite 2 || DSI Big Font (kids love it)
Yearning for: Any ALPS keyboard || Any tenkeyless mechanical keyboard
Permanent collection: Poker Blue and Brown || Adesso MKB-125B || SIIG MiniTouch Geek Hack Space Saver || Chicony 5181 Monterey Blue || Chicony 5191 Clone Cherry Blues || Key Tronic 3600 || Unicomp Endurapro & SmarTrex || A crate of IBM Model M and Model M Space Saving boards || NeXTstation Slab || Amiga 3000 || BTC-5100C black and beige || SIIG MiniTouch Plus black and beige
Retired collection: SIIG MiniTouch Monterey Blue || Razer BlackWidow

Offline aegrotatio

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« Reply #65 on: Sun, 24 October 2010, 21:58:40 »
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My impression with the ABS M1 keyboard is it has its own keyswitches, but they have the same sound as Cherry Browns.

Can someone verify this? Anyone ever have experience with them?

Hi, they are an ALPS clone (see the Wiki) and don't really sound at all like Cherry Browns, except that both keyswitches lack the "snap" sound as the key is depressed.  The ABS M1 has a pleasant rattle-thock sound that anyone who used computers in the 1980s would instantly recognize.  The Cherry Blues have more of a thack-thack since they don't rattle at all (at least on the Das Model S Silent that I have).  In many ways the Das Silent sounds cheaper than it really is.
Daily Drivers: Ducky DK1087XM || DSI ASK-6600 || Rosewill RK-9000 BL, BR, BL, and RE || ABS M1 || Das Keyboard Silent || HHKB Lite and Lite 2 || DSI Big Font (kids love it)
Yearning for: Any ALPS keyboard || Any tenkeyless mechanical keyboard
Permanent collection: Poker Blue and Brown || Adesso MKB-125B || SIIG MiniTouch Geek Hack Space Saver || Chicony 5181 Monterey Blue || Chicony 5191 Clone Cherry Blues || Key Tronic 3600 || Unicomp Endurapro & SmarTrex || A crate of IBM Model M and Model M Space Saving boards || NeXTstation Slab || Amiga 3000 || BTC-5100C black and beige || SIIG MiniTouch Plus black and beige
Retired collection: SIIG MiniTouch Monterey Blue || Razer BlackWidow

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« Reply #66 on: Mon, 25 October 2010, 08:29:04 »
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I guess I'ma have to wait a bit to save for a FILCO in browns. It kinda sucks that I gotta spend that extra money on the NKRO feature, but oh well. At least I know it'll last me long enough.


That's partly why I got a Realforce. I figured if I was going to spend that kind of money, I might as well go all the way. It was definitely worth it (I can say that having previously owned a Filco with browns too).

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« Reply #67 on: Mon, 25 October 2010, 08:33:48 »
I didn't say that highest price necc. means the best. But in my opinion, Topre is the best :D

Offline ichirichi

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« Reply #68 on: Mon, 25 October 2010, 09:18:25 »
@ OP

Browns are noisy when you bottom out - and when they bottom out, they can be quite loud in my opinion! Especially gaming!

Blacks, browns or membrane, it all depends on the type of game you play.  You wouldn't get much out of Blacks playing SC2 for example.
« Last Edit: Mon, 25 October 2010, 09:27:12 by ichirichi »

Offline keyb_gr

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« Reply #69 on: Mon, 25 October 2010, 14:51:14 »
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Highest price does not always mean the best.   That sure is how the Mechanical Switch Poll is going.

Topres consistently poll below 15%.

4th place is mighty fine for something used in rather spendy "boutique" boards only, don't you think?

I'm sure something like Montereys would enjoy a good bit of popularity if they were anything close to halfway common (and possibly still in production) rather than stuck in old Chicony boards and such.
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Offline Kairxa

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« Reply #70 on: Mon, 25 October 2010, 21:46:36 »
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Actually on Engadget Japan it was Ichiban! (#1)

The Japanese must be richer.

When you work from 9 a.m. to 11 p.m., yes, you SHOULD be richer.

Offline zefrer

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« Reply #71 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 07:33:03 »
Err what? Japan is the only country I know of with a 1 and a 1/2 (or 2?) hour compulsory lunch break. Normal end of day time is 4pm I believe. Do the math, 9-4 with a 1.5 hour lunch break, at least in the financial industry.

Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #72 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 07:35:58 »
From what I understand, Japan works many more hours than that.

That said, I just got permission to leave at 4 p.m. since I get to work at 6 a.m.  That'll be nice.


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« Reply #73 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 10:14:24 »
Rip, do a Wiki.
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« Reply #74 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 10:27:01 »
No, Wiki about the Japanese wives. :-)
Whether we should be looking for or avoiding them. Sexist is ok.
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« Reply #75 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 10:44:05 »
do we need a spouse poll? anonymous of course....
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Offline zefrer

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« Reply #76 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 21:45:50 »
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Don't give MW ideas.

And anyway, those of you who idealize Japanese wives need a reality check.


The reality check being..?

Offline Fwiffo

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« Reply #77 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 23:25:23 »
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And anyway, those of you who idealize Japanese wives need a reality check.

Anyone who allows Canadian folk-pop to influence their life choices needs a reality check.
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Offline manfaux

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« Reply #78 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 23:44:44 »
from my experience blues are far superior to browns or blacks in terms of everyday typing, light on the hands and heavenly feedback feel. Now I typing on anything other than the cherry blues just pisses me off.

with that said, blues are prolly the worst gaming switches, they aren't THAT bad, but unless you are a HARDcore gamer , blues will just do fine.

Offline Fwiffo

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« Reply #79 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 23:56:36 »
I have nothing at all against Canadian music (except Our Lady Peace - they can bite me). I just won't let it influence my choice of spouse.
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Offline zefrer

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« Reply #80 on: Wed, 27 October 2010, 00:08:30 »
Yoko Ono is one (crazy) chick. Generalising an entire nation's female population based on one crazy chick? Hell you should stay away from women of every nation in that case.

Offline zefrer

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« Reply #81 on: Wed, 27 October 2010, 00:40:45 »
Charisma man must be a relative of old spice man