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Offline geonworks

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[IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 00:14:35 »








Hello everyone, I'm Geon from South Korea
Introducing a new GMK keycap set that I just wanted to make.
This keycap is designed to fit in a variety of places like WoB and has no likes or dislikes.
Anyway I'm ultimately aiming to expand the market for custom keyboards, and Snail will slowly but surely expand the market.


IC FORM







Kitting


Base Kit


Alpha Kit


Numpad Kit


Spacebars Kit


Novelties Kit
(Shine Through the window is L9 Transparent)


Aluminium Artisan


Dark Deskmat


Light Deskmat




Specifications
- Keycap Color - GMK CR
- Legend Color - GMK L9
- Extra - GMK CR 70% translucent (almost opaque)




Sales Method
- Mostly In-stock, pre-orders may be available depending on the vendor



Keycap Configuration
- Base - 123 keys (6 Translucent keys, Shine-Through keys)
- Alpha - 68 keys (bi-color Alpha+Numrow, Tap+L-Shift keys for Additional support for 60/65%)
- Numpad - 26 keys
- Spacebar - 10 keys (Alice, Happy Hacking+B keys)
- Novelties - 14 keys (Cherry Logo R1+R4+Enter, Black Snail)
- Desk mat - Modified Vior Deskmat by Aiglatson
- Artisan - Aluminium Artisan by Aiglatson




Pricing
(based on pre-order, Prices are based in the US and may vary by region)
- Base kit, 79.0 USD
- Alpha kit, 39.0 USD
- Numpad kit, 29.0 USD
- Spacebar kit, 19.0 USD
- Novelty kit, 24.0 USD
- Alu Artisan, 40.0 USD
- Deskmat, 18.0 USD




Vendors
KR - Geonworks (Lead Vendor)
NA - Novelkeys
UK - Prototypist
EU - Eloquent Clicks
MY/SG - Mecha Store
PH - Zion Studios
TH - Aiglatson Studio
CN - KBDfans
AUS - Cafege
CA - Ashkeebs
JP - Yushakobo
NZ - Kiwiclacks
IN - Neo Macro
ME - Sandkeys




Renders










IC FORM

DISCORD




THANK YOU.


« Last Edit: Sat, 25 November 2023, 11:32:50 by geonworks »

Offline VACasian

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 00:24:50 »
Would've liked to have seen R5 GLWIC

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 00:47:01 »
clean set, pricing is insane for gmk. I trust geon with my life  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 00:48:38 »
I love you Geon :D

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 00:50:26 »
I would also echo the sentiment for R5 kitting as well as numpad within base.

But pricing looks good, so I look forward to it.

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 01:09:34 »
geon is my bias
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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 01:35:51 »
Would be nice to have “Super” or a logo instead of “Code” for the windows keys. A logo would be cool too, but anything other than “code”.
« Last Edit: Fri, 24 November 2023, 01:41:14 by marcusant »

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 03:42:04 »
splendid, in for all kits

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 03:56:39 »
sussy transparent

GLWS

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 04:05:21 »
Expanding the market is a wonderful vision. :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 04:52:23 »
Any consideration for 40s support (1.75u r2 backspace, 1.25u r3 tab, 1.5u r3 enter)?

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #11 on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 04:55:15 »
Maybe I'm missing your point or vision, but can't see how this will plug any lacuna. There is already a saturation of unsold gmk sets by most retailers. Vendors offering this as in-stock might place further financial burden / risk on them.
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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 06:10:50 »
Would've liked to have seen R5 GLWIC

R5 will not be added

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #13 on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 06:11:36 »
I love you Geon :D

clean set, pricing is insane for gmk. I trust geon with my life  :thumb:

I would also echo the sentiment for R5 kitting as well as numpad within base.

But pricing looks good, so I look forward to it.

geon is my bias

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Thanks guys

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 06:20:55 »
Any consideration for 40s support (1.75u r2 backspace, 1.25u r3 tab, 1.5u r3 enter)?

40s will not support, sorry

Maybe I'm missing your point or vision, but can't see how this will plug any lacuna. There is already a saturation of unsold gmk sets by most retailers. Vendors offering this as in-stock might place further financial burden / risk on them.

I was going to produce my own keycap molds, but I'm not confident that I can supply a better product than GMK. I have some extra money that I was planning on using, and I'm investing it in GMK. I'm going to fill a large amount of MOQs on my own without putting pressure on other vendors. I plan on selling these for about 2 years, and if they don't all sell, it's not a huge burden to me.

I know you sincerely care about me, really, I am always grateful to you and think you are a good friend. As you know, now my team is planning and selling many things, not only keyboards. I have experienced many keycap manufacturers and my choice is GMK. Recently, GMK's sales are not easy, but I don't think this is just GMK's problem, by expanding the market, more users will be able to join our world.

Thank you for always supporting me and may you and your family always be at peace.



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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 07:17:06 »
No 3u spacebars for type k?

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 07:17:33 »
Love seeing products like this. Keep up the good work Geon.  :thumb:
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« Reply #17 on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 07:21:58 »
Keep up the good work Geon, we love you

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 08:27:03 »
Thanks Geon, this will go well with the n680  :D

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #19 on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 12:32:22 »
Putting the R3 control key in the spacebar kits is...unusual. I'd propose that you put the non-stepped one in the base, and maybe leave out the stepped control altogether.

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #20 on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 12:33:56 »
ooh, definitely keeping my eye on that deskmat!

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #21 on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 13:00:21 »
Would love to see the R3 control moved to the base kit. Makes more sense than having clear caps that should be in the novelties imo.

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #22 on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 13:34:36 »
finally

















black keyset

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #23 on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 14:39:12 »
I like snails.
I love clean, cheap GMK sets that I can use every day.
GLWS :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #24 on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 15:14:37 »
love this, love you - would love to see R3 control in base but that won't stop me buying

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #25 on: Fri, 24 November 2023, 16:01:54 »
pls
- R3 control in base
- 2x 3u space in space
- nordeuk
- base has: 2x 1.25u Alt mods, and 1x 1.5u Alt and 1x 1.5u Alt Gr(aph) (which I love because literally every country except US uses altgr), so shouldn't one of the 1.25u mods be Alt Gr as well?
- please remove front prints on pause and print screen
- novelty set is a bit sparse no? how about maybe 2x 1.5u mod snails instead of 4x ansi enters? :-)
- iso enter novelty? :P
- I am feeling stupid now because I don't understand why the alt alphas kit has black tab+shift keys, surely there must be a good reason and I am an idiot lol

looks very nice good job!
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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #26 on: Sat, 25 November 2023, 00:11:26 »
okay, i buy dad

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #27 on: Sat, 25 November 2023, 05:53:25 »
Rush Rush!

Cool project and it's nice seeing so many vendors - Giving people a choice to get a black GMK keyset somewhere else besides Dr*p is an amazing idea.  :thumb:

I do hope that the price in the EU won't be horrible though  :D

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #28 on: Sat, 25 November 2023, 07:40:29 »
pls
- I am feeling stupid now because I don't understand why the alt alphas kit has black tab+shift keys, surely there must be a good reason and I am an idiot lol

The idea for this is that you can buy the base and alt alphas, and fill out 2 boards (but not two identical boards.)

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #29 on: Sat, 25 November 2023, 07:49:50 »
Love this! Been wanting to grab GMK Monochrome for a hot min, but seeing this I think I'll wait for Black Snail + alt alphas. Thanks for being you Geon!

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #30 on: Sat, 25 November 2023, 12:46:29 »
Comparing other GMK sets, Black Snail is still too expensive than it should be, considering 1. GMK in-house color codes, 2. No need for new molds, except a few novelty keys, 3. 3000 MOQ! But I do believe Geon did his best to get the lowest price From GMK.
« Last Edit: Sat, 25 November 2023, 12:48:34 by Ted778 »

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #31 on: Sat, 25 November 2023, 14:11:41 »
Would be nice to include the accents for ISO too (even in a child kit), maybe the 1.25u left shift in the alpha kit as the other iso keys were there for a dual board use.

My main want would have been 2x1.5u supers + extra alt in any kit.

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #32 on: Sat, 25 November 2023, 14:29:46 »
Would be nice to have “Super” or a logo instead of “Code” for the windows keys. A logo would be cool too, but anything other than “code”.
Yes please. Super is a much better choice than Code.

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #33 on: Sat, 25 November 2023, 17:38:45 »
I don't understand what niche this is trying to fill.

Instock? GMK White on Black regularly hits $79-89 on sale and comes with an entire numpad in the base kit (not to mention R3 control).

GBs? Mictlan came with more coverage for $99 than this set delivers for $127.

Like I guess I could buy the novelties and enjoy using a new ANSI enter on my keyboard every day of the week.

This is a very nice set and it compares favourably to the 250-500 MOQ offerings of late. But it is a distant runnerup when put next to other sets with MOQs in the thousands.

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #34 on: Sat, 25 November 2023, 18:00:57 »
Would've liked to have seen R5 GLWIC

R5 will not be added

Based. The cost it adds is basically never worth it. I say this as someone who keeps forcing themselves to try R5 and can't rationalise why it's supposedly so good. I wouldn't want the increased cost R5 would add to this.

Personally I wish there was a Nordeuk kit for this, but appreciate that Nordeuk kits were never an easy sell even under ideal circumstances. Given the emphasis on low cost here I get how it doesn't make sense to do here.

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #35 on: Sat, 25 November 2023, 21:20:38 »
Geon this is great to see. I feel this could be huge for especially newer people who want an more accessible way to get a clean gmk set.

The only things I would like to see is 1.5u Code keys at least somewhere and the arrows/numpad sublegends or whatever people call them.

Also would you ever consider doing an R5 kit as a separate thing down the line.

Keep up the great things you are doing for the hobby and GLWIC
« Last Edit: Sat, 25 November 2023, 21:25:38 by Rhienfo »

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #36 on: Sun, 26 November 2023, 08:03:09 »
I wish the beige was more saturated for the legends. On black it will mostly look like white from my experience, unless your case/mat/table is white and your eye/brain has a reference.

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #37 on: Sun, 26 November 2023, 11:56:58 »
Instock? GMK White on Black regularly hits $79-89 on sale and comes with an entire numpad in the base kit (not to mention R3 control).

GBs? Mictlan came with more coverage for $99 than this set delivers for $127.

This is a very nice set and it compares favourably to the 250-500 MOQ offerings of late. But it is a distant runnerup when put next to other sets with MOQs in the thousands.

I am a numpad in the base kit enjoyer as well., and I thought about this for a bit too, specifically kitting and MOQ.

Mictlan did over 3K units in its GB with both kits combined at $99 GB price. Black Snail at 3K MOQ at $79 GB price. Honestly, pretty comparable.

Drop (I just know Drop since I frequent US vendors mostly, but maybe there is another vendor that sells WoB in-stock at better pricing) does sell GMK WoB on sale, but the $79-$89 pricing usually is the pre-order pricing or like you said, sale pricing. I've seen it at $99 to $110 as an in-stock retail price quite commonly as well.

No idea how many WoB sets Drop usually buys, but I'm sure that given it being WoB, it certainly matches 3k units if not more each time Drop orders WoB. If you get it on pre-order or sale pricing, then sure, it's a better deal if you live in the US (I'm not sure what international shipping pricing from Drop is though versus Black Snail that will be available from many vendors across the world), but I think unless we know how many WoB units Drop orders, Black Snail is competitively priced. Maybe Drop does a 5,6, or 7K unit order each time they re-stock on WoB.

I think the most accurate way to compare Snail is to other TKL base kit GMK sets, and while prices when on sale definitely is a factor, I feel like retail-to-retail pricing should be considered versus retail-to-sale pricing since a lot of GMK sets on sale compare favorably to their non-sale counterparts.

For example, there are currently a tremendous amount of GMK in-stock units on sale at the moment from Oblo's website to Omnitype to NovelKeys, but we usually don't quote those sets at sale price when discussing them and instead compare them at retail.

GMK Minimal's base TKL set did 5k with extras, and was priced at $100 for the GB pricing, so I feel like TKL-to-TKL base kitting is more fair of a comparison versus TKL base kit to numpad base kit.

If I were to guess, I'd say Geon's trying to alleviate two things that people have issues with when it comes to GMK and GBs, but I have zero idea what his ultimate goal or vision is since I'm not Geon of course.

1. Lead time being 3-6 months between GB or Pre-order to In-stock sales versus longer lead times for GMK, although I feel like it has gotten better recently.
2. Pricing versus other TKL base kit sets

I feel like in-stock pricing at $89 for a beige-on-black TKL base kit is one of the lowest prices for a TKL base kit at 3K MOQ, not taking into consideration any sort of sale pricing. It's still in IC, so things can definitely be changed around. I definitely am interested to see what the final details of the set will be.

Also, maybe based off of the conversations Geon had with designers, GMK, or hobbyists in general prior to posting this IC and details, TKL base kitting was thought to be more preferred/will sell better at a lower price than numpad included base kits at a higher price even though we see many comments about numpads in base kits (a "minority voice is louder than the majority" type deal).

Edit: grammar
« Last Edit: Sun, 26 November 2023, 13:34:05 by HubertThemad »

Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #38 on: Sun, 26 November 2023, 23:06:56 »
Hangul WoB alphas haven't been available in a while, I'd love to see that and it seems like this is a great time to offer that

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #39 on: Tue, 28 November 2023, 02:40:36 »
I like this idea. I think the only thing it's missing for me are 2x 1.5u Super/Code and one more 1u Alt. I will strongly consider joining if these keys find their way to any of the kits :)

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #40 on: Tue, 28 November 2023, 08:19:37 »
awesome price awesome desk mat

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #41 on: Wed, 29 November 2023, 00:24:45 »
Too many black sets around but I love Geon so I must buy.

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #42 on: Wed, 29 November 2023, 18:44:02 »
Just saw Intl kits in Discord… could we get the accent ISO keys there so we don't miss out entirely?

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #43 on: Wed, 29 November 2023, 18:57:55 »
dope i needed another Noire set  ;)

kidding ofc, but ngl when i saw 'black snail' i def though turbocharger for some reason. will prob pick up one of those Aiglatson mats in this colorway, that shape is too fun!
at $79 i'll try & work this one into the mix - glwic!!

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #44 on: Thu, 30 November 2023, 07:32:34 »
Just saw Intl kits in Discord… could we get the accent ISO keys there so we don't miss out entirely?

Beat me to what I wanted to ask for myself. Without any of the accents its a no buy even though I would splurg for an Interkit for this set.

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #45 on: Fri, 01 December 2023, 02:35:06 »
ESFR kit please : french and spanish users need it

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #46 on: Fri, 01 December 2023, 11:16:09 »
ESFR kit please : french and spanish users need it

From Geon's Discord:
"GMK BLACK SNAIL group buy has started. ES/FR and NORDE kits will only be sold by European vendors. These will go live in the next few days, 60EUR each."

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #47 on: Sat, 02 December 2023, 05:31:02 »
Reserved.

For ISO-ES enjoyers like me: the add-on kit is being sold by Eloquent Clicks until 15th Dec. Grab one!!
https://eloquentclicks.com/collections/gmk-keycaps/products/gmk-cyl-black-snail?variant=47367606272338
« Last Edit: Sat, 02 December 2023, 05:33:19 by 1pctipaday »

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #48 on: Sat, 02 December 2023, 10:49:59 »
I have pm'd you ;)


I love you Geon :D

clean set, pricing is insane for gmk. I trust geon with my life  :thumb:

I would also echo the sentiment for R5 kitting as well as numpad within base.

But pricing looks good, so I look forward to it.

geon is my bias

geon is my bias

Thanks guys

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Re: [IC] GMK Black Snail, GMK CR / GMK L9
« Reply #49 on: Mon, 04 December 2023, 21:25:16 »
I trust geon with my life  :thumb: