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Offline wellington1869

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« Reply #101 on: Fri, 22 October 2010, 18:23:20 »
zmurf, and it doesnt bother you that its poop?

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« Reply #102 on: Fri, 22 October 2010, 18:27:09 »
When you see a monkey crapping out coffee beans and you decide to brew some up to see what it tastes like, I think you can safely say you are a coffee addict.

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« Reply #103 on: Fri, 22 October 2010, 18:44:39 »
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When you see a monkey crapping out coffee beans and you decide to brew some up to see what it tastes like, I think you can safely say you are a coffee addict.


makes you think. what would they taste like if you stick them up your nose first?

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« Reply #104 on: Fri, 22 October 2010, 18:59:51 »
I like good old drip coffee.

(Well, before I got sick of the anxiety swings and energy swings I did.)

You gotta make it right with one of these. Rated in gallons per hour. Mine will soon be for sale btw, if anyone's near Boston and wants an excellent commercial grade drip brewer.

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« Reply #105 on: Fri, 22 October 2010, 20:56:56 »
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So, how are you doing.


Good. Yesterday and today I only had one cup each morning, instead of 4-5. So far there's only a thin mental fog, no headache.

On Monday I'll switch to a can of diet cola each morning, and do that for a few days before stopping completely. If all goes well.

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« Reply #106 on: Fri, 22 October 2010, 22:22:09 »
Coffee is so ewww...

I had one taste of it when I was a kid (perplexed why all the older individuals glugged the stuff ), and I never had coffee since.

Beer and alcohol is pretty gross too. I'll only drink a little jagermeister when I'm sick.

Wine? I hate the flavour of it, ACK! Sour piss. If I'm ever at a fancy restaurant, they're giving me five alive.
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« Reply #107 on: Fri, 22 October 2010, 23:11:00 »
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I sense a troll under the bridge.   I'd say "pics or it didn't happen" but you'd probably post one of your toilet.

I myself have found civet **** coffee too impersonal.  I ferment my beans in my very own intestine.
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Offline wellington1869

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« Reply #108 on: Fri, 22 October 2010, 23:24:12 »
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I myself have found civet **** coffee too impersonal.  I ferment my beans in my very own intestine.


hahahahahahahahaha that was good.

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« Reply #109 on: Sat, 23 October 2010, 06:14:35 »
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Oh.  Sorry.  Civet poop is pretty exotic stuff there.


Yeah... welll it quite exotic here too. But there is a coffee store in Gothenburg which sells it in bulk. Cost about 300kr/100g. (~ 42$/3.5oz)

As I wrote erlier... I buy approximatly 100g/month

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zmurf, and it doesnt bother you that its poop?


Technically it isn't poop. The civet eat the beans to get the shell around the bean. And since the civet isn't able to digest the actuall bean, this isn't "converted" inte poop

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When you see a monkey crapping out coffee beans and you decide to brew some up to see what it tastes like, I think you can safely say you are a coffee addict.


Yes.. I love coffee. :smile:
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« Reply #110 on: Sat, 23 October 2010, 10:28:50 »
Quote from: EverythingIBM;237559
Coffee is so ewww...

I had one taste of it when I was a kid (perplexed why all the older individuals glugged the stuff ), and I never had coffee since.

Beer and alcohol is pretty gross too. I'll only drink a little jagermeister when I'm sick.

Wine? I hate the flavour of it, ACK! Sour piss. If I'm ever at a fancy restaurant, they're giving me five alive.


This is pretty much how i feel, i hated the taste of coffee and only used it's energy boosting properties, it really is disgusting. same with beer and wine same with champagne dear god that stuff is nasty.

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« Reply #111 on: Sat, 23 October 2010, 10:53:14 »
No, that's the second best option. It's best licked off ${preferred-body-part}.

Champagne isn't a drink; it's a sex toy.
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« Reply #112 on: Sat, 23 October 2010, 12:16:34 »
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No, that's the second best option. It's best licked off ${preferred-body-part}.

Champagne isn't a drink; it's a sex toy.


which explains why EIBM wouldn't like it.
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« Reply #113 on: Sun, 24 October 2010, 22:52:22 »
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I'm thinking about going back to one cup per day, and then substituting diet cola.

Diet coke has 35mg of caffeine per hit, vs. 100+ per hit of coffee, so that seems like a good step down.
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OMG I can't stand seeing that... Stick with the coffee or do a 1/2 caff/ decaf to wean instead, please, or tea. ANYTHING but that...  

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE avoid "diet" sodas/beverages - they are in NO WAY healthier or better for you than regular soda - the artificial sweeteners are actually soo much worse for you than sugar can  ever be. There is actually evidence that diet soda drinkers are more likely to GAIN weight over time because the body cannot process the chemicals the way it can process actual FOOD.  I promise you are far better off with the coffee than with  diet soda.  

And to avoid further ranting here I started a different thread on this topic.
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« Reply #114 on: Sun, 24 October 2010, 23:07:12 »
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PLEASE avoid "diet" sodas/beverages - they are in NO WAY healthier or better for you than regular soda


It doesn't need to be healthy.

It only needs to contain a dose of caffeine that is less than one cup of coffee. (It is unpossible to drink a fractional cup of coffee.) Cola fits the bill, I'm only going to be drinking one cola in the morning for a few days, before stopping caffeine entirely.

I know cola's terrible, dissolves nails etc. As long as I can still have kids afterward, it's fine.

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« Reply #115 on: Sun, 24 October 2010, 23:11:10 »
Quote from: Voixdelion;238238
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE avoid "diet" sodas/beverages - they are in NO WAY healthier or better for you than regular soda - the artificial sweeteners are actually soo much worse for you than sugar can  ever be. There is actually evidence that diet soda drinkers are more likely to GAIN weight over time because the body cannot process the chemicals the way it can process actual FOOD.

Diet Cola can't give you Type 2 Diabetes and that is a far worse problem than ingesting sweetener.  No biggest loser contestant was a diet soda drinker, they were all about the sugar and high fructose corn syrup (rebranded "corn sweetener" to evade stigma)  I'm not saying it's good for you, but it's far better than gulping down the calories in sugary soda pop.

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Offline Lanx

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« Reply #116 on: Sun, 24 October 2010, 23:36:04 »
I think it's about moderation, ppl that are unhealthy just tend to go overboard...
i.e. eating till your full vs. eating till you feel happy.

normal ppl go, oh ok my stomach is saying thats all that can fit, guess i'll pack up this steak as leftovers

vs.

life suxors but doritos is my friend, i love my friend bag, after bag after bag... coca cola never argues with me either! liter after liter.

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« Reply #117 on: Sun, 24 October 2010, 23:38:12 »
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Diet Cola can't give you Type 2 Diabetes


Yeah that!

Whatever I replace coffee with will be in my diet for less than a week. It won't have any health effects at all. The best choice is whatever works to quit caffeine.

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Offline Voixdelion

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« Reply #118 on: Mon, 25 October 2010, 03:04:30 »
riginally Posted by didjamatic                                          Diet Cola can't give you Type 2  Diabetes


Well, in that case,  I doubt a weeks worth of cola would give you type 2 Diabetes either...  

Soda is probably the single most unhealthy thing I indulge in the most,  but I've yet suffer ill effect from even the somewhat copious amounts I  consume probably because I am in good health otherwise overall.   And I am not convinced that this is a cause/effect of soda alone at any rate.  The worst problem with so many of these studies is that they draw conclusions from data without considering additional linked factors which may be more directly related to the issue.  I'm willing to bet that no "biggest loser contestant" is in that contest because soda alone undid them.

Consider this:  A study claims that black or hispanic folks are more likely to be susceptible to disease x or y and uses a racial risk index to determine insurance costs; however, in reality, the actual linked cause is not biological but cultural-  they just don't know it because they didn't bother to compare data against black or hispanic people who were raised in a caucasion or chinese household that would have negated or mitigated the statistical relationship they had previously encountered.  The researchers and their sponsors will say this is still okay because the likelihood is that race and culture go hand in hand, so the index is still valid, but I think that is also a false relationship because there is no telling what other conditions are directly linked to each other in a dependent chain.

Once this dependency is set even one iteration away from the end result, it becomes exponentially more likely to assign causality to an indirect factor.  I find it shocking how much "research" is done as if all things exist in isolation in order to back a theory.  Sometimes the most learned folk are the ones who are completely unable to see the forest for all the damn trees.


For that matter, then my own attitudes are subject to the same scrutiny.  Perhaps the artificial sweeteners are not the factor which is the link to cancer but instead it is a by product of a body's reaction to unnatural stimulus - perhaps the body prepares to intake calories because the sweetness/taste triggers the process but problems arise in the balance of body chemistry because there is only a 0 calorie diet drink to process and so ill effects occur when the body fails to render sustenance from digestion.  If this triggers cell death instead of cell growth, then the body may react by immediately producing more growth to compensate (like how pruning a plant can revive it to renewed vigorous growth) but there is still a negative return on the process without the input of calories so instead it consumes itself to feed the machine >>>ergo cancer because the body processed the intake of calories where there were none to process due to being triggered by the sweet taste, while the artificial sweetener itself could have been consumed along with calories and not been problematic.

On that note, if your concern is the caffeine itself and not the beverage, why not just switch to decaf coffee?
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« Reply #119 on: Mon, 25 October 2010, 03:34:13 »
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Diet Cola can't give you Type 2 Diabetes and that is a far worse problem than ingesting sweetener.


It seems that type-2 diabetes is more likely amongst those with a generally poor lifestyle - low physical activity, high weight, large waist measurement, etc. Sugary drinks may contribute towards a generally poor lifestyle, but aren't linked directly to type-2 diabetes. The whole "sugar puts a strain on the pancreas" thing always applied far more to type-1 diabetes - which is why my own sugar intake during childhood was severely restricted (and is a bit of a myth anyway).

Moderate use of 'full fat' cola whilst quitting coffee may be helpful not only because of the caffeine content, but because the sugar rush may help combat the perceived lack of energy.
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« Reply #120 on: Mon, 25 October 2010, 06:31:44 »
Keep in mind a regular coke (cola) has 35mg of caffeine in a 330ml can. That's a lot.

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« Reply #121 on: Mon, 25 October 2010, 06:43:27 »
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 Perhaps the artificial sweeteners are not the factor which is the link to cancer but instead it is a by product of a body's reaction to unnatural stimulus - perhaps the body prepares to intake calories because the sweetness/taste triggers the process but problems arise in the balance of body chemistry because there is only a 0 calorie diet drink to process and so ill effects occur when the body fails to render sustenance from digestion.  If this triggers cell death instead of cell growth, then the body may react by immediately producing more growth to compensate (like how pruning a plant can revive it to renewed vigorous growth) but there is still a negative return on the process without the input of calories so instead it consumes itself to feed the machine >>>ergo cancer because the body processed the intake of calories where there were none to process due to being triggered by the sweet taste, while the artificial sweetener itself could have been consumed along with calories and not been problematic.


Holy ****. Before going on a crazy rant, educate yourself:

1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer

2) http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/artificial-sweeteners

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For that matter, then my own attitudes are subject to the same scrutiny.


ya.
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« Reply #122 on: Mon, 25 October 2010, 06:48:15 »
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Yeah that!

Whatever I replace coffee with will be in my diet for less than a week. It won't have any health effects at all. The best choice is whatever works to quit caffeine.


I'd say switch to a black tea or green tea, then change that out for herbal tea. You'll still have that warm cup of beverage for when you start your a day (a big part I find to coffee is just the habit) but it will be caffeine free. The other benefit to this is you avoid extra sugar.

I honestly think the bigger issue though will just be the withdrawal symptoms at first. You'll find yourself being rather short tempered to say the least...
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« Reply #123 on: Mon, 25 October 2010, 06:58:47 »
drink a lot of very bad coffee, at last you may stop drinking some

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« Reply #124 on: Mon, 25 October 2010, 08:17:48 »
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Keep in mind a regular coke (cola) has 35mg of caffeine in a 330ml can. That's a lot.

That's not a lot for me. A cup of drip coffee has 100-125mg (Wikipedia) and prior to last week I drank about 500mg daily. Today is day five of 100mg per day.

35mg per day is the next step down toward zero, starting tomorrow.

Wikipedia says green tea is 30mg per serving. Okay, I will drink green tea instead of cola. It's healthier because it prevents all you health nuts from suffering conniption fits :-P

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« Reply #125 on: Mon, 25 October 2010, 20:43:56 »
I've started drinking hot water instead of tea.

It's actually pretty good.

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« Reply #126 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 00:12:30 »
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Surely you troll...


Actually my mother does that quite a lot.  She seems to like it.
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« Reply #127 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 02:52:21 »
I drink hot water when I'm cross-country skiing. It good in three ways. It helps heat up the body. Also the body can take up more of the water since it don't have to spend time on heating it before it can process it. And both of this effects help the body to preserve energy since it don'r have to waste energy on heating the body and heating the water to processable temperatures.
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« Reply #128 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 06:32:43 »
I drink cold Diet Dr. Pepper.  It's good for the body because it's made by a doctor and it's diet.


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« Reply #129 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 10:54:40 »
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As a result of the "Geekhack Singapore Members" thread and in honor of Moogle "Ducky" Stiltzkin  I picked up some new tea.

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« Reply #130 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 11:35:40 »
Yeah, the Turkish tea is nice. I have about 2kg in the cupboard.
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« Reply #131 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 16:46:03 »
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I drink hot water when I'm cross-country skiing. It good in three ways. It helps heat up the body. Also the body can take up more of the water since it don't have to spend time on heating it before it can process it. And both of this effects help the body to preserve energy since it don'r have to waste energy on heating the body and heating the water to processable temperatures.
That too.

It's good because it's like tea, but without the aroma and flavor. The smell I miss the most, but it's still a hot liquid, and has that same comforting feeling. It's strange that it is considered strange. Even I thought it was silly when I first thought of it. You just have to accept that you normally expect a strong flavor from a hot drink, and get over this bias.

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« Reply #132 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 17:10:29 »
Somehow I don't think all of this is helping with the op quitting coffee. Oh well. Who wants to see how to make a good cup of turkish coffee?

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« Reply #133 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 17:44:03 »
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I drink cold Diet Dr. Pepper.  It's good for the body because it's made by a doctor and it's diet.


Drink the sugary coke instead of the diet stuff. Diet Dr. Pepper. Remember: Those artificial sweeteners can give you cancer!
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« Reply #134 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 17:59:50 »
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Remember: Those artificial sweeteners can give you cancer!


That is unfounded, bordering on complete BS.
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« Reply #135 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 18:06:46 »
Troll want a cookie?

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« Reply #136 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 18:30:46 »
yes.
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« Reply #137 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 22:02:06 »
This thread is outlasting my caffeine dependency.

Today I drank just one cup of green tea -- 30mg caffeine.

No artificial sweeteners, because I don't want the cancer.

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« Reply #138 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 22:05:58 »
Your energy should start to increase over the next several days as your body produces it more naturally than synthecially < my attempt at scientifically explaining it.  You'll notice you're far more mentally alert in the mornings.
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« Reply #139 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 22:16:09 »
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You'll notice you're far more mentally alert in the mornings.


I already feel better. I have been falling asleep early, and then waking up early and feeling well-rested.

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« Reply #140 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 22:23:09 »
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I already feel better. I have been falling asleep early, and then waking up early and feeling well-rested.


good for you man, i'm hearing similar reports from my friend who is currently quitting too.  I think the hard part is staying off it in the long run. Easy to fall off the wagon cuz coffee is so plentiful and cheap and easily available.

i'd like to cut down my intake, but not necessarily go cold turkey. I do like me morning rituals.

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« Reply #141 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 22:50:39 »
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Easy to fall off the wagon cuz coffee is so plentiful.


Yeah, that worries me.

There are only so many things to do at work:
 * work
 * surf
 * go to the break room and get a beverage...

RSI prevention recipe:[/B] Kinesis Contoured, Colemak layout, touch typing, Contour Design Rollermouse,  Logitech TrackMan Wheel, Logitech m570 trackball, "workrave" break timer software, "awesome" window manager, tenkeyless boards, cherry browns, Wang 724 with "ghetto green" ALPS, standing desk and/or comfy adjustable chairs, stress reduction, computer time reduction.

Fun non-ergonomic things: bolt modded Model M Space Saving Keyboards with new springs, Kensington Expert Mouse v7, Unicomp Endurapro, Northgates

Offline Rajagra

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« Reply #142 on: Tue, 26 October 2010, 22:58:56 »
Quote from: zefrer;239134
Troll want a cookie?


Is it sugar-free?

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Actually, while it may not be proven that artificial sweeteners cause cancers (or anything else bad) I do tend to think of them in the same way as other processed food. They are a big unknown.

I used to laugh at people who shopped at wholefood stores. Until I read about what processed foods were. The processing is very well understood chemistry, with unknown effects on biology. Eating processed food is a lot like taking drugs given you by a dealer. Might make you feel happy. Might get you addicted and dead.

Offline wellington1869

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« Reply #143 on: Wed, 27 October 2010, 00:35:58 »
Everything causes cancer! (Just Wanted to write something via tablet... carry on...)

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using: ms 7000/Das 3

Offline godly_music

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« Reply #144 on: Wed, 27 October 2010, 01:39:19 »
Why would black tea be any better than coffee? It has caffeine, the body just transforms it more slowly.

I always advocate the hard cut. Coffee is not heroin, and being able to overcome an addiction is directly coupled with the strength of the decision you made. Substituting it for something else will make you uncomfortable for a longer period of time than just stopping.

Offline alec

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« Reply #145 on: Wed, 27 October 2010, 05:54:37 »
Tea leaves actually have more caffeine content, but cup of tea has less caffeine than cup of coffee.
I think its less likely to drink 10 cups of tea daily than 10 cups of coffee.

I usually don't drink coffee and drink moderate amounts of black tea. Energy drinks help me combat sleepyness when needed, but also only limited amount.

Then coffee still has a strong acting effect when I drink it.
Noppoo Choc Mini

Offline zefrer

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« Reply #146 on: Wed, 27 October 2010, 09:12:10 »
Quote from: Rajagra;239220
Is it sugar-free?


Hell no.

We have a winnah!