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Offline wellington1869

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i mean any news. I read about current events in snippets online, like the AP ticker on yahoo or something,, but thats about it.

i find more than ever that all the news does is make me depressed or angry and is presented in a manner that is intended to do so.  so i'm not going to be the newsreader's ***** anymore.

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« Reply #1 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 09:43:10 »
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i find more than ever that all the news does is make me depressed or angry and is presented in a manner that is intended to do so.  so i'm not going to be the newsreader's ***** anymore.


Agreed. I'm the same way.

I think the less that people pay attention to the media and the more that people actually research and find out information for themselves, the more informed we'll be as a country and a planet.

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« Reply #2 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 09:51:16 »
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all the news does is make me depressed or angry and is presented in a manner that is intended to do so.
Use your anger, Welly. Reach out with your mind, and find the politician who will actually fix the things that are wrong instead of doing something stupid.

I think what the U.S. needs is a Populist politician, who, like a Democrat, will cut imports and immigration to put people back to work, and like a Republican, will keep the nation's defenses strong.

But sinister forces are working so that what the nation will get, instead, as the answer to its discontent will be Sarah Palin.

It's time for concerned Americans to stop the Tea Party, and bring either the Republicans or the Democrats back to the center, so that Americans will have a rational alternative to vote for. Nehemiah Scudder must not win in 2012!

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« Reply #3 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 09:51:49 »
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i find more than ever that all the news does is make me depressed or angry and is presented in a manner that is intended to do so.  so i'm not going to be the newsreader's ***** anymore.


Also known as "sensationalist journalism" or bull**** designed to sell a story regardless of any basis on things such as facts, or truth.

Nothing new there. Find a reputable news source with an RSS feed and aggregate a bunch of them in your browser/rss aggregator of choice.

I don't watch TV personally so can't comment on good TV news sources.

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« Reply #4 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 09:58:23 »
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« Reply #5 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 10:11:08 »
I don't watch the news and I don't read the news. I live in my own world and try to care as little as possible about what goes on outside it.

In reality discussion and argument achieves very little other than for you to broadcast your opinion. I stopped bothering to discuss issues with people a few years ago, it is easier to just pretend to agree with them in most cases. A discussion rarely leads to your idea being accepted by another party and even if it does then it seems logical that this would lead to resentment. I am a nice person because I agree with you and everything you do is good or can be seen as good; everyone likes me.

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« Reply #6 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 10:21:17 »
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So in other words you would have taken the blue pill?

In a sense, however it is more that I am just past caring about other people; they can do what they like and I can take comfort in the fact that I do not have to live with them forever.

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« Reply #7 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 10:22:14 »
Hah I like your attitude unicomp

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« Reply #8 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 10:24:27 »
You both sound like exciting folks. Apathy (which is unfortunately rampant) is another big problem in this world.

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« Reply #9 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 10:48:28 »
Cheers Welly : ) I do the same thing. Main Stream Media is repulsive to me and I refuse to take part. I think Joseph Goebbels would be smiling ear to ear if he was alive today. I think MSM is mostly misinformation anyway and is intended to keep  us distracted. We had mid-term elections yesterday and I have no idea,or care really,who won. It is not like it matters anyway.

If I ignore the bull****  that is considered 'news', I have a more pleasant day.
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« Reply #10 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 11:08:11 »
I ignored the news for my entire student years for the very same reason.
Now that I started working I found it increasingly difficult to not know any of the current events that people talk about and are affected by.

So I do have a news site as my starting page now on all my browsers. I fly over the news daily but I filter strongly and usually only read the headlines so I know something is going on. What the journalists exactly have to "report" about that particular thing going on I don't care at all because it's likely not even half the "truth" and very one sided.

When I read a "report" is usually just about light topics or something particularly interesting to me but then I get information on it from several sources, not just one.

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« Reply #11 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 11:39:02 »
I listen to NPR and watch the News Hour and Washington Week on PBS.  Everything else is crap.


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« Reply #12 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 12:02:44 »
Pretty much.

That's the thing, though.  Of all the news available, NPR and PBS offer the most balanced reporting.  Their other programming might be leftist, but their news is about as neutral as it gets.  Just ask Juan Williams.



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« Reply #13 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 14:40:25 »
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Since "42" came up in another thread.
I watched the whole BBC miniseries on PBS, but couldn't bring myself to watch the changed version from Hollywood.

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« Reply #14 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 15:45:04 »
I usually get my news either from the newspaper or the Internet. I ditched the cable TV long ago.
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« Reply #15 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 17:09:50 »
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You know this Republican resurgence is working in my keyboard favor.   Since they believe in the Rich getting Richer and the poor being ignored I'll be able to sell my AAPL for virtually no taxes and buy lots of RealForces and overpriced Comptek2wk NIB IBM minis.

The poor and unemployed can just eat rubber domes.


Ahh the only thing better than an ignorant democrat...is a bitter, ignorant democrat...

...I always say :D

(You obviously have no clue what Republicans really believe)
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« Reply #16 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 17:19:50 »
While no party's perfect, the Republicans sure beat the Democrats. The Democratic Party over the years stood up for slavery, racism, segregation, excessive government spending, socialism, and gay marriage. All reasons why I do not support their agenda.
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« Reply #17 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 18:20:49 »
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... racism, segregation ... and gay marriage. All reasons why I do not support their agenda.


So to clarify, you only support denying the rights of gay people, at present? Everyone else is cool?


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« Reply #18 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 18:50:45 »
As of now, gays have equal legal rights to straights here in the United States, and I wholehartedly support that. They can have civil unions with others of the same sex, and can marry people of the opposite sex, just like we can. I'm not against gay people in general, as long as they don't make a big stink about it (two guys in speedo's making out in public for example).

It's just that I believe that defining "marriage" as a partnership between two men or two women is wrong. Marriage is a partnership between a man and a woman, and that's how it's been throughout history.
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« Reply #19 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 19:03:53 »
So you only support definitions of terms as dictated by the Church?

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« Reply #20 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 19:44:07 »
it'd be cleaner if the government only supported domestic partnerships, rather than the religious concept of marriage. :usa2:

come to think of it, the u.s. government isn't supposed to respect an establishment of religion at all... which makes its current support for the religious concept of "marriage" a slippery slope! :doh:

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« Reply #21 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 19:50:15 »
The thing is I've known gay people who are for gay marriage (regardless if it's religious), gay people against gay marriage (because they think of it as religious) and gay people who are for gay marriage (because they are gay and religious). The latter one hit me recently; a friend (girl) from college who is a lesbian got engaged. They are now trying to find a place to get married. That actually kind of touched me, and although I didn't have much of an opinion on gay marriage before, I think now it makes more sense to me.

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« Reply #22 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 20:04:11 »
Actually, gays are denied equal rights on many fronts, even if you accept the absurd notion that the right to marry someone of the opposite sex is "equal rights". They can't serve in the military, in many states they can be denied a job for being gay or denied the ability to rent housing if the landlord doesn't like the fact that they're gay. It would be illegal to deny someone any of these things based on their race or religion.

Technically, throughout much of history and still today in many places, marriage has been defined as a union of one man and one or several women. MS Windows, do you support polygamy, given that it's been a standard throughout much of history?
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« Reply #23 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 20:07:18 »
sensible ppl believe that if gays decide that they want to suffer years of pain like straight ppl then why not. Besides i've seen just as many ppl get divorced as ppl get married, haven't seen a gay marriage yet tho.

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« Reply #24 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 20:11:49 »
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in many states they can be denied a job for being gay or denied the ability to rent housing if the landlord doesn't like the fact that they're gay. It would be illegal to deny someone any of these things based on their race or religion.

Well it's obvious that a chubby will never make it into hooters, that's because it's not discrimination, they are going for a certain look in their front line.
Wouldn't it be the same if i decide to open up a chinese restaurant? I'm pretty sure i can deny a black or white guy a waiter job even if they have better chinese than me cuz well, they ain't asian. (of course i said waiter cuz as you all know 80% of the cooks are hispanic)

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« Reply #25 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 20:36:57 »
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It's just that I believe that defining "marriage" as a partnership between two men or two women is wrong. Marriage is a partnership between a man and a woman, and that's how it's been throughout history.

and I believe that using a PC with Windows 3.1 is wrong. Get the point?


Hint:

Nobody gives a **** what you believe, and you dont have the right to use your beliefs as a basis for dictating what people can with their own lives in a "free" country.

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Also what everyone else said. Don't ask, don't tell. Yeah, that's fair, and startlingly progressive ... not.
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« Reply #26 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 20:47:08 »
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Actually, gays are denied equal rights on many fronts,
I don't dispute that. But the adjustment to accepting this new frontier of equality is complicated by several factors.

In many Canadian provinces, Roman Catholics at one time could choose to send their children to the Catholic school system. By registering this decision, the portion of their property taxes which paid for education was directed to the Catholic school board instead of the public school board.

Except for not giving other denominations (there was no other one as large that sought to run its own schools) the same treatment, this is not considered to be making Roman Catholicism Canada's established church - it is merely an accomodation for a minority; they insist on sending their children to schools run by their church, and so this way they aren't at a disadvantage by having to pay twice for their education.

In the United States, such an equitable arrangement is prevented by current court interpretations of the Establishment Clause in the Constitution. Recently, a reform that is Constitutionally acceptable, school vouchers, has been brought forward, but it is being fought tooth and nail by entrenched interests in many states - such as teachers' unions.

In Canada, and in the United States, some public schools have been using books such as "Heather Has Two Mommies" in classrooms with impressionable young children.

Discriminating against people because of their religion is wrong. Some Americans belong to religions which have the verbal and plenary inspiration of Scripture as one of the tenets of their faith. Avoiding fancy theological jargon, this means that God didn't just inspire the Bible, He proofread it. (And presumably nothing too serious happened to it on the way from the original Scriptures in Hebrew, Aramaic/Chaldaean, and Greek to the King James Version.)

Since Jesus said to turn the other cheek, and intervened to stop a woman from being stoned to death for adultery, there is no valid claim that Christianity calls for violent acts against gays. But that homosexual acts are to be regarded as serious sins was re-iterated in the New Testament; it isn't just something in Leviticus alone that it is hypocritical for Christians who eat pork to accept.

If you take the children of Christians who believe in the verbal, plenary inspiration of the Bible, and at an early age teach them to think of homosexuality as normal and natural, healthy and equal... then they're going to come up against those Bible teachings, and reject their parents' religious faith, because they will have been made constitutionally incapable of believing that a condemnation of homosexual acts as abhorrent could be the perfect and inerrant decree of a just and loving God.

So what?

Well, if I suggested that we do away with terrorism by taking all the children of Muslims away from their parents, and raising them as Christians in boarding schools, wouldn't you think that I was an inhuman monster?

This is different in degree, but it's the same kind of thing. Promoting respect for the rights of homosexuals is being used as an excuse to violate the rights of fundamentalist and evangelical Christian families.

This applies to the teaching of evolution in the schools too - but so far the only suggestions for dealing with that would violate the rights of other families. Hampering science education is not acceptable. Teaching lies to children - that there is any real controversy about evolution - is not acceptable.

But I think that one could teach biology in schools in a culturally sensitive way. Newspaper accounts of crimes that are before the courts often use wording that avoids making statements about the guilt of the accused.

It is not a lie for a biology textbook to refer the the allegations of some scientists about the origin of life without noting that "some" means "virtually all"... with the idea that as long as no statements one way or the other about how likely evolution is the truth are made, neither the facts of biology nor the teachings of the Bible are contradicted.

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« Reply #27 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 21:14:16 »
I thought all you American types watched Fox news for its fair and balanced views? (Yes this is a joke in poor taste).

In Australia I watch the Lehrer News Hour (from **your country**) but don't bother watching the local news as I don't really watch much TV.

I also watch the Daily Show and the Colbert Report (I record these on my HTPC as they are funny) and tend to read the NYT instead.

My problem is that most of the media nowadays is weighted towards one political view or another, so they no longer bring you the truth......but the truth from a Conservative or slightly less conservative viewpoint (we have both types in Australia).

I will say one thing though.

Barack Obama has done more to improve the image and state of the USA than anyone seems to be giving him credit for. Bush practically destroyed the economy, got into a war which was a waste of money and allowed a **** load of rich rich rich people to get tax cuts that kept them rich. Now you guys have these tea party weirdos who are trying to bring back the good old days of Bush-ism and people are **buying it**. I hope your Elephant team don't get back in because I am enjoying the fact that I like America now.

Before pretty much everyone outside of your border thought you were allowing the developmentally delayed to have a crack at running the White House.

Oh and what is about you guys and Evolution being some kind of evil attempt to pervert the Christian way? If you go anywhere outside of the USA and start with the God created the earth 6000 years ago, people will laugh at you, really deep belly laughs, of incredulity. Science is not a belief, it has rules and observable laws that operate outside of human interpretation. Intelligent design has no valid theory, nor criteria for testing.

Anyway, I suppose its a bit off the news topic but.....
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« Reply #28 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 21:21:46 »
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interesting that we take for granted the right of parents to hand their children a set of beliefs... any beliefs they wish... and expect the children to be protected from competing sets of beliefs.

"what's right and wrong" in education becomes very subjective when no distinction is made between beliefs passed on by tradition, and models of observed phenomena used for technical purposes.

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« Reply #29 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 21:33:59 »
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Barack Obama has done more to improve the image and state of the USA than anyone seems to be giving him credit for.


How exactly has Obama improved the state of the USA?

Actually, all Obama is, is an "image". He's a pretty face and a good talker, and that's about it. In reality he hasn't done jack **** to improve our country and he isn't going to. His heart's not in it. His wife already said that she hates being first lady and that "it's hell". I'm sure it hasn't been a party for Obama too but he hasn't done a whole lot either. He hasn't delivered what he promised. If you lived here, you might know that but since you don't, I'd ask you to kindly not talk about things you know nothing about.

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I hope your Elephant team don't get back in because I am enjoying the fact that I like America now.


If you knew anything about American history, you'd know that historically, Republican presidents did more to improve the nation than Democrats. In the past 30 years or so (or one could argue more), however, we simply have not had a very good president. This is a phenomemon in our country and no one seems to be exactly sure why. These more recent presidents have acted more like puppets than anything else; they don't do a whole lot of research or work and instead rely on their advisors and consistently take bad advice. This has been the case with every recent incumbent, both Democrat and Republican. So again, do some research before speaking about someone else's country and politics.

The sad thing, to me, is that we haven't had a single great president since Abraham Lincoln.

Also, we have the liberally-biased American media to thank for all the FUD that is spread overseas about Republicans. I'm still amazed when Europeans tell me how horrible they've heard American conservatives are, only later to find out it's mostly bull**** FUD. People who believe hype are the ones who vote for people like Obama. I'm of the impression that when something seems too good to be true, it usually is.
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« Reply #30 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 22:23:46 »
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It's time for concerned Americans to stop the Tea Party, and bring either the Republicans or the Democrats back to the center, so that Americans will have a rational alternative to vote for. Nehemiah Scudder must not win in 2012!


i'm with you on that bro

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I think Joseph Goebbels would be smiling ear to ear if he was alive today.

goebbels would have been given his own prime time special on Fox. They would have put a circus tent above him and made a fortune. Of that I havent the slightest doubt.

when I was younger I would have been horrified by this realization. Now i'm just numb all over.

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If I ignore the bull****  that is considered 'news', I have a more pleasant day.

thats the truth,and i'd argue, also a better informed day, ironically.

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« Reply #31 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 22:32:46 »
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It's time for concerned Americans to stop the Tea Party, and bring either the Republicans or the Democrats back to the center, so that Americans will have a rational alternative to vote for. Nehemiah Scudder must not win in 2012!


Although I'm one of the few conservatives on this board, like Welly I agree with you. Over the years the Republicans have gone too far right and the Democrats too far left. Neither parties represent their true core values anymore, nor do they truly represent the Americans who support them. It's not even about real issues anymore, because no one in office or running for it cares about them. Unfortunately it's come down to juvenile name-calling and 'Hitler' and 'Communist' references. Please, I thought we were adults?

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« Reply #32 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 22:37:25 »
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I don't dispute that. But the adjustment to accepting this new frontier of equality is complicated by several factors.

i think what it comes down to is, 'believing' christians (in this case, for instance), dont have to "like" gays, and dont have to 'believe' that homosexuality is as legitimate as their god-ordained heterosexuality. The question is, what will they do on that basis however? So long as they dont do anything violent, and dont deny basic privacy rights to consenting adults, then they can 'dislike' it privately however they want, and pass that dislike on to their kids (or try to) if they want. After all parents pass on all kinds of likes and dislikes to their kids (and kids of each generation accept/reject them anyway as they please, and as times change). Kids are individuals too, and grow into adults with protected rights of personal conscience. Part of that right is the right to reject your parent's biases if you decide as an adult that its worth rejecting. Part of that right is certainly also the right to find your own religion and religious community (as well as the right to be an atheist if you choose). Its a personal choice even for the kids, in the end. That sentiment isnt a 'secular' sentiment; after all, plenty of religious sects support that right of conscience too (and during the protestant reformation religious sects went to war over it, the whole question of childhood vs adult baptism for instance, was predicated on this idea that the person should be a sentient adult before acceeding to a church).

I do agree with you that, by the same token, the gay community cannot force a particular church to sanction gay marraige, just as they are free to found new churches that *do* sanction gay marraige. Personally I think the fight over gay marriage is ultimately a fight over the tax benefits of filing jointly, and to this end, for the state ceremony, civil unions would do the job as well; and for the religious ceremony, certainly increasing numbers of religious sects are open to the idea and new sects can be founded.  The former is a constitutional issue (civil unions, ie, the status of 'marraige' between consenting adults of the same gender, is a constitutional issue for the state, it is not a religious issue for the state), and its concerns are things like taxes. The religious ceremony is about things like status and self esteem, and here, like most other groups, i think the gay community will find and/or generate a set of religious sects who are open to the idea.

In other words, in our way of life, you can get people to leave you alone, and get the state to protect you; but you cant force people to like you, and the state has no role in that. And thats probably how it should be for all sides. Acceptance is a more complicated, long-term thing, all the state can do is protect your rights, they cant force everyone to like you.

As far as science education, a similar division must apply, where the state and secular education is concerned. 'Believing christians' dont have to 'believe' that god set nature in motion and doesnt intervene on a daily basis anymore (which is the core deistic idea behind most science education, ie, that nature is a self-running system, including evolution, not 'requiring' a 'divine hand'). But in this country they would also have to accept that state/public/secular education is based on a separation of church and state and so science education will teach about natural systems and not about godly intervention (they can take a sociology course if they want to learn the history of christian opposition to secular science education including opposition to evolution).

SO in both instances 'believing and literalist christians' dont have to 'accept' these things. however, in both instances, they do have to accept that: a) they cant stop other individuals (gays for instance) from living as they please so long as they are not violent and are consenting adults, and b) can marry each other if they find (or found) a church that sanctions such marraige; and c) public/secular education is about teaching natural systems, not divine intervention, and that means any teaching about god-and-nature will have to occur in cultural studies classes, not in biology classes.
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« Reply #33 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 22:44:37 »
Parents have the right to opt their children out of classes that violate their religious beliefs, health class, sex ed or whatever. If they don't want their kids to see a particular book, they can write a note and they can take a different class or do study hour or something.

They also have the option of homeschooling them, or putting them in private school. Several states offer vouchers, though I don't see why it's necessary. I don't get a voucher if I don't approve of some war or agriculture subsidy or hedge fund bailout.
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« Reply #34 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 22:48:45 »
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I don't get a voucher if I don't approve of some war or agriculture subsidy or hedge fund bailout.


hmm... *idea*

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« Reply #35 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 22:52:05 »
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How exactly has Obama improved the state of the USA?


on this point i think KL and I will disagree ;) Personally i think O is the greatest thing to happen to this nation in a long time, and also I think he's a genuine centrist.  Anyone who can piss off both left and right in equal measure as he has, has got to be doing something right.

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« Reply #36 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 22:54:36 »
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I don't really watch long posts anymore.


kids these days :rolleyes:

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« Reply #37 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 22:55:22 »
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hmm... *idea*


lol, dont get any ideas man!  ;)

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Several states offer vouchers, though I don't see why it's necessary.



vouchers are balony because if we remove (or make it possible and easy to remove) the common secular basis of our state, then we're no longer a democratic secular state. We need enough citizens who have a basic knowledge of, appreciation of, why secular democracy developed in the first place, and that knowledge can only be transmitted thru common, free, public, and secular, education to our children.  Take that away or make it so easily circumventable, and what you're left with, is a middle-east style tribalism across this country, with each sect trying to take over the state and imposing its particular values on all the other sects.

No thanks.
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« Reply #38 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 22:56:22 »
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I don't really watch long posts anymore.


lol, dude, you never did before either ;)

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« Reply #39 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 22:57:58 »
My Impression was that there have been more Republican presidents so that kind of weights them unfairly and yes I realise you had Lincoln, but you also had Nixon and Reagan so I reckon that cancels them out (StarWars anyone)?

Remember that Obama has had to climb his way out of a monumental **** hole left for him by the previous guy, who you can thank for the current depression the USA is in due to total deregulation of your fiscal system.

Despite this he has still managed to lower your middle income taxes (an overwhelming majority of people, including friends of mine in the States did not realise this until they checked their finances).

The Obamacare plan, so derided in the American conservative press is actually good for your country, yes it is expensive, but the Private Health system you have had for so long is terrible. I work in the Australian Health Care system (in possibly the worst state for public health [NSW]) but I can tell you the training, research and quality of care is excellent. My wife is and Emergency Specialist [what you would call an ER Doctor]. If I had to have an operation, and I was overseas, I would fly home. If you guys gave it a chance you would see that a true public health system can be incredibly beneficial. Its not perfect, but its pretty damn good.

I know some American History, probably not as much as you, but a fair bit. The Republicans of old are not the same as the Republicans of new. The ideas have changed, the rhetoric has increased, the conservatism has become far more extreme. Correct me if I am wrong, but this also applies to the Democrats. They are gradually becoming more conservative also.

The liberal bias in your media is somewhat harder to find than the Fox news stuff, but maybe that's because its more cleverly wrapped in rationality.
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« Reply #40 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 23:04:32 »
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My Impression was that there have been more Republican presidents so that kind of weights them unfairly and yes I realise you had Lincoln, but you also had Nixon and Reagan so I reckon that cancels them out (StarWars anyone)?

Remember that Obama has had to climb his way out of a monumental **** hole left for him by the previous guy, who you can thank for the current depression the USA is in due to total deregulation of your fiscal system.

Despite this he has still managed to lower your middle income taxes (an overwhelming majority of people, including friends of mine in the States did not realise this until they checked their finances).

The Obamacare plan, so derided in the American conservative press is actually good for your country, yes it is expensive, but the Private Health system you have had for so long is terrible. I work in the Australian Health Care system (in possibly the worst state for public health [NSW]) but I can tell you the training, research and quality of care is excellent. My wife is and Emergency Specialist [what you would call an ER Doctor]. If I had to have an operation, and I was overseas, I would fly home. If you guys gave it a chance you would see that a true public health system can be incredibly beneficial. Its not perfect, but its pretty damn good.

I know some American History, probably not as much as you, but a fair bit. The Republicans of old are not the same as the Republicans of new. The ideas have changed, the rhetoric has increased, the conservatism has become far more extreme. Correct me if I am wrong, but this also applies to the Democrats. They are gradually becoming more conservative also.

The liberal bias in your media is somewhat harder to find than the Fox news stuff, but maybe that's because its more cleverly wrapped in rationality.



the worst part is, even our so-called 'professional left' in this country (in that great phrase obama used, somewhat deridingly, to describe people like jon stewart and ariana huffington), have done nothing but heap *scorn* on obama's tax cuts and health care reform.  They havent the slightest appreciation for how much he got done in the face of incredible opposition.  Obama said as much to stewart when he appeared on the show recently.

Huffington post (speaking of liberal bias) gets on my nerves a lot too (and by the way, i even stopped watching jon stewart, cuz I find in him that 'easy liberalism' which falls back too easily on uncritically held liberal stereotypes and tropes, in a complicated world that can no longer sustain an "easy" liberalism anymore). So he too just annoys me now, going for easy applause over difficult introspection, as a liberal. The Daily Show audience annoys me too, they're like unthinking seals clapping and honking at the most banal (and utterly outdated) liberal motifs.

Huffpo, i find, basically has turned into a news-of-the-world style rag that has two types of articles mainly: ones that are intended to cause alarm and fear, and others that are intended to provoke lust.  Really, go there right now, and take a look at the articles. 95% of them will fall into one or the other of these two categories.  Its shameful.  Whatever it is -- its profitable -- but its not any liberalism I can sign on to or believe in myself. And yea, i'm a liberal. Its every bit as alarmist as fox news, and every bit as lascivious as TMZ.
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« Reply #41 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 23:23:30 »
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I don't really read that one.  Politico for me.


politico, talk about breathless DC gossip.  I havent found any single site that I'm comfortable with. I usually swing thru a half dozen of them, picking up info until i'm irritated and then moving on to the next one.

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« Reply #42 on: Wed, 03 November 2010, 23:47:12 »
is there a male version of the view? i'd watch that, not cuz i'm sexist, but cuz the view hurts my ears! the one really hot one sounds bat sh%% crazy, even more so than woopi saying that dog fighting is a black cultural thing.

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« Reply #43 on: Thu, 04 November 2010, 04:06:41 »
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interesting that we take for granted the right of parents to hand their children a set of beliefs... any beliefs they wish... and expect the children to be protected from competing sets of beliefs.
It is true that children are human beings in their own right, not property.

However, historically, attempts to suppress minority groups by indoctrinating their children are well known. Thus, it is reasonable to include, as one of the features of a democratic society, that it will not set itself up as the arbiter between competing belief systems. Their adherents might be prevented from duking it out, but the state will remain neutral and behave as though disinterested in the distinctions between faith communities.
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« Reply #44 on: Thu, 04 November 2010, 06:37:38 »
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on this point i think KL and I will disagree ;) Personally i think O is the greatest thing to happen to this nation in a long time, and also I think he's a genuine centrist. Anyone who can piss off both left and right in equal measure as he has, has got to be doing something right.


Centrist? You have to be kidding me, Obama is so far left it's not even funny. The only reason why he's pissed off both parties is because he's a **** president. And anyway, can you actually name good things he has done for the country thus far? I can't.

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Remember that Obama has had to climb his way out of a monumental **** hole left for him by the previous guy, who you can thank for the current depression the USA is in due to total deregulation of your fiscal system.


Don't blame Bush jr for everything; that's stupid and makes no sense. Bush jr. had to clean up messes left over from Clinton. Clinton had to clean up messes left over from Bush Sr. And so on, and so on, and so on. Is there a pattern forming here?

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I know some American History, probably not as much as you, but a fair bit. The Republicans of old are not the same as the Republicans of new. The ideas have changed, the rhetoric has increased, the conservatism has become far more extreme. Correct me if I am wrong, but this also applies to the Democrats. They are gradually becoming more conservative also.


I agree with that completely (about the Republicans) but you are way off about the Democrats. They've become much more liberal over the years, often to the point of absuridity (just as the Republicans in some cases have become conservative to the point of absurdity). This is the true problem with American politics; it's not the 2 party system that's a problem, it's the parties themselves. But I do think the media is a big part of it. I know of no scorn worse than the American media. They quite literally ruin peoples' lives on a daily basis.

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The liberal bias in your media is somewhat harder to find than the Fox news stuff, but maybe that's because its more cleverly wrapped in rationality.


It's probably just because you're a leftist.
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« Reply #45 on: Thu, 04 November 2010, 08:53:10 »
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and I believe that using a PC with Windows 3.1 is wrong. Get the point?


Hint:

Nobody gives a **** what you believe, and you dont have the right to use your beliefs as a basis for dictating what people can with their own lives in a "free" country.

edit:

Also what everyone else said. Don't ask, don't tell. Yeah, that's fair, and startlingly progressive ... not.

Exactly the same argument applies to you and to me, there is no point in posting what you think because nobody cares. Why post? Why do I post?

Hint: we are all self-centred and like for our opinions to be agreed with; we all have unwarranted self-importance.
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« Reply #46 on: Thu, 04 November 2010, 09:00:37 »
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Exactly the same argument applies to you and to me, there is no point in posting what you think because nobody cares. Why post? Why do I post?

Hint: we are all self-centred and like for our opinions to be agreed with; we all have unwarranted self-importance.


congrats for getting the point ... :rolleyes:
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« Reply #47 on: Thu, 04 November 2010, 09:09:47 »
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congrats for getting the point ... :rolleyes:

No, either your first post was a contradictory post or you are just being an idiot. Sarcasm fails to enhance how intelligent you seem. This is why there is no point in arguing because all that happens is that I disagree with you and then you disagree with me and then eventually one person just stops.
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« Reply #48 on: Thu, 04 November 2010, 11:14:36 »
I don't really want to start a new thread about this. Ripster probably knows about this anyways.

Netflix is starting up in Canada. One of their ads offers a free trial, and they advertised their service by giving an example of a movie you could watch with them.

It starred a woman who looked like Sarah Brightman, or maybe Katy Perry.

The name of the movie was "(500) Days of Summer", so I was curious enough to look it up and see who that star was.

Zooey Deschanel!

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« Reply #49 on: Thu, 04 November 2010, 11:18:24 »
2 things:

1) If for nothing else, Obama was/is good for America because he's black (there I said it), just like our very own Angela Merkel was good for Germany cuz she's a woman

2) In terms of healthcare/obama care: Listen to Dave Chappelle ya'll he had the solution many years ago: Canadian Fake IDs for all US citizens. If you feel ill, why not just cruise over to Canada and get yourself checked out?