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Offline Findecanor

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Are Kailh hot-swap sockets still fragile?
« on: Fri, 17 October 2025, 16:12:56 »
Some years ago after Kailh's switch hot-swap sockets first had been introduced, there were many forum threads about them breaking from swapping switches too often or carelessly. They were only surface-soldered to the back of the keyboard PCB, and they tended to take the soldering pad on the PCB with them.
For that reason, I have avoided hot-swap keyboards and not given them much thought.

Through the years, however, Kailh has apparently made revisions of their sockets, and there have been a few copies from other makers.
They seem to be very common these days; practically compulsory in new enthusiast keyboards these days.

But AFAIK, hot-swap sockets are still only surface-mounted on the back of PCBs.
 Is there something I have missed?

Has the durability issue been improved ? Are there well-known methods for reducing the risk of sockets lifting pads and breaking PCBs?

Specifically, I am curious about:
• Are there specific types of PCBs that are better suited for sockets?
• Is there some way to support sockets from behind to reduce the risk of breakage?
• How does flex-cuts affect durability? Does it make it better or worse?
• Are there socket brands that are better than others?
« Last Edit: Sat, 18 October 2025, 03:51:18 by Findecanor »
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Offline LightningXI

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Re: Are Kailh hot-swap sockets still fragile?
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 18 October 2025, 21:25:19 »
As someone who still builds boards, both hotswap and solder, my take:

1. Yes, hotswap sockets are still surface-mounted/soldered on the back of PCBs.

2. The design has changed iteratively over the years but largely the same -- precautions generally apply if you're using a hotswap PCB -- you should use two hands, or at least minimal but barely sufficient force in inserting switches into them, making sure pins are lined up and not overforcing the insertion process. The same risk of having sockets pop off from the back exists, since the surface-mount soldering of the sockets is still largely the same as before, even though the integrity of the sockets' inner metal parts themselves has gotten a decent bit better (they do not "fold out" as much as before).

3. The best way to support the sockets from behind, honestly, is to take out your PCB/plate combo outside of the keyboard case, and use two hands. One hand pushing the switch, and the other hand supporting the PCB + corresponding socket from the back. If you won't / can't do that (out of convenience), then the next best thing is to just wiggle as the pins of the switch insert and place themselves relatively easily into the socket.

4. Flex cuts will affect durability in the sense that it's easier to push back and bend portions of the PCB backwards, hence applying shearing forces to the socket joints. Overall, with flex cuts, socket lifetime is probably worse if you're not careful.

5. I can't really say much about brand-based differences, but the two main sockets I've seen are Kailh-made or Gateron-made.

All in all, while personally I don't really think the trouble of soldering + desoldering is all that bad, hotswap PCBs are indeed much more of a norm (with pretty decent compatibility as well), and should be durable if you're moderately careful.

Offline Leslieann

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Re: Are Kailh hot-swap sockets still fragile?
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 19 October 2025, 10:29:50 »
Is there some way to support sockets from behind to reduce the risk of breakage?
Some KB makers recommend supporting the board/socket from behind while inserting switches, as in disassemble it to swap switches. Also it's not just the sockets that are fragile, the switch legs are as well.

These will NEVER be good*.
These are basically a hacky way of making something hot swap that was never intended to be, it's a compromised design from the start and will never be good without redesigning the switch, socket and PCB and doing so would destroy backwards compatibility.


*I do use them but only because there's really no alternative.
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Re: Are Kailh hot-swap sockets still fragile?
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 19 October 2025, 12:28:16 »
So, then nothing has really changed since they were introduced, n years ago, and there are no "best practices". Just a reminder/disclaimer: "Don't do what it looks like you should do" ...

I've been thinking of sandwiching a silicone mat in-between the bottom of a PCB with its sockets and a metal back-plate. The sandwich would be clamped together with a bunch of bolts with the silicone under tension. That should support the sockets from behind. I'm worrying about feel and sound qualities though.
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