Need opinions! Topre weighted keys or 55g gaming and typing are equal

[nocturn4l3030]

Hi everyone. posting from my cell so excuse the typos.

I really really need advice here as im blowing alot of money here

Got my first mechanical today, the Ducky Cherry browns and i have such mixed feelings. I been using them the whole day before I came to a real opinion but as of now i just feel the keys are too light for me. I feel like im typing faster (i type around 120wpm) but im actually getting a lower score (110ish) and making more typos..and when i game (WOW arena only at the moment) i find myself accidentally pressing the wrong keys once in a while which is a nono for me. like anything...i know i can get used to this..but i do want my keyboard to be perfect and im pretty sure i want heavier keys. i think i may be used to bottoming out(?) because of the rubbers im used to?

Im coming from a keytronic rubber keyboard that also had weighted keys but at a higher scale..(see picture) but i feel like the "grams" of the weight pushed on the key are a little deceiving only to me because im comparing between rubber and mechanical boards...

so im thinking of going the topre route since in a previous thread, people were recommending that board to me. my new keyboard tray from my desk is short so i need a tenkeyless but elitekeyboards only has the weighted keys which i thought i would prefer because of my keytronic..but when looking at the weight difference ..the difference is different by a good margin. and what really concerns me is the 30g row or the 'a' key because when i game my fingers switch to the good ole WASD keys and my pinkie is no longer on the 'a'.

sorry for the wall of text and i know you guys cant make the decision for me but given all my concerns...would you pick the weighted or the all 55g for me?  if i go the 55g route it kinda sucks because ill have no mouse room because theres no tenkeyless version for sale...but ive been dealjng with that already so... if i go the weighted key route...do you guys think the 'a' key i can get used to for gaming? WOW atm but i do play FPS and RTS too...

thanks for reading and any opinions

does anyone out there game with the 30g 'a' key (not 35g) and find it okay and enjoyable and not a problem at all?

does the 'a' 30g key of a topre feel lighter or heavier than a cherry brown on a ducky/filco?


ps- my board had blue switches for the right keys..ooh what i joy those would be to just type on..i think i like those over thr browns for strictly jus typing

[nocturn4l3030]

err cant find the picture or info atm of how the keytronics are weighted...will find it tmrw when im on a desktop

[SirClickAlot]

I have 3 topre keyboards. The weighted one, the non-weighted 55g and the HHKB Pro 2.

Although I like the weighted one very much I don't see it matching with you since dislike the 30g weight of the 'a' . Also, for gaming it is advised to have a non weighted keyboard.
The uniform weighted 55g could be for you then : you will like it, I am sure of it.

If you want a smaller form factor keyboard check out the Happy Hacking Pro 2 also. It is non weighted and very small. It is my main driver a.t.m.

check out my reviews at http://www.mrinterface.com for a more in depth review of all 3 boards.

Regards.

[laden3]

Do you like the plastic-esque feel of the switches and do you prefer the rubber domes or the springs? If you like the mechanical switches, IMO blacks are pretty good. You can find something interesting if u search "cherry g80" on eBay. They are pcb mounted blacks, so, there might be some differences compare to plate-mounted blacks.

[nocturn4l3030]

I have 3 topre keyboards. The weighted one, the non-weighted 55g and the HHKB Pro 2.

Although I like the weighted one very much I don't see it matching with you since dislike the 30g weight of the 'a' . Also, for gaming it is advised to have a non weighted keyboard.
The uniform weighted 55g could be for you then : you will like it, I am sure of it.

If you want a smaller form factor keyboard check out the Happy Hacking Pro 2 also. It is non weighted and very small. It is my main driver a.t.m.

check out my reviews at http://www.mrinterface.com for a more in depth review of all 3 boards.

Regards.

thanks for your opinion...darn seems like i do have to go the 55g route which sucks cus theres no tenkeyless for sale...i would wait for maybe EK to have them again but thats not even a given.

the keytronic was weighted too which i found jus fine for gaming except i feel theyre weighted much heavier as the browns feel like feathers in comparison

oh and i cant go the HHK route cus i can live without a numpad but i like my arroes and page up and down

[nocturn4l3030]

Do you like the plastic-esque feel of the switches and do you prefer the rubber domes or the springs? If you like the mechanical switches, IMO blacks are pretty good. You can find something interesting if u search "cherry g80" on eBay. They are pcb mounted blacks, so, there might be some differences compare to plate-mounted blacks.

i think i preferred the rubber as thats why i been leaning toward the topre...only though because the browns felt like it was too light...but the blues would be awesome to type on imo...so i duno ;(

but yea i was thinking of going the black route but i keep hearing how heavy and unpleasant they are to type on..which i do alot of aside from gaming

gosh this sucks...i really wish i could try out everything before making a decision ....im gonna ebay the ducky but gona lose money on it im sure and its just a hassle..so i need my next keyboard to be "the one"

[SirClickAlot]

gosh this sucks...i really wish i could try out everything before making a decision ....im gonna ebay the ducky but gona lose money on it im sure and its just a hassle..so i need my next keyboard to be "the one"

You could try out the item in one of the sinklists. The topre keychain is in the US at the moment. Where are you from?

Also, most people on this board have searched for "the one" keyboard and ended up with a huge amounts of keyboards... Don't think you will easily find your grail. If you find it , be sure to tell me cause I can still find flaws in my main driver a.t.m. even after having tried a huge amount of keyboardswitches :-)

Regards.

[nocturn4l3030]

You could try out the item in one of the sinklists. The topre keychain is in the US at the moment. Where are you from?

Also, most people on this board have searched for "the one" keyboard and ended up with a huge amounts of keyboards... Don't think you will easily find your grail. If you find it , be sure to tell me cause I can still find flaws in my main driver a.t.m. even after having tried a huge amount of keyboardswitches :-)

Regards.

LOL that is SO not encouraging..i always thought you guys were a bunch of weirdos for having a million keyboards.. but I almost feel like i want two keyboards.. one for typing..like a blue switch and a topre or black switch for my gaming =(

yea i ran into that thread and was thinking of signing up.. but i'm too impatient as i know ima get my keyboard before that thing even arrives =)



on a side note.. plugged my keytronic in again just for kicks.. ugh i don't think i can ever go back =(  i really really do like this brown switch.. and im not jus sayin that either.. it's really grown on me in just one day.. i just wish it was a slight bit heavier and i'm being really picky.. i'm already used to this thing

and like you said lol i'm afraid ima end up keeping my topre and not ebaying this one and becoming a keyboard nerd like everyone here =[

[SirClickAlot]

All I can say is : welcome to the club! You've already sniffed what it is like to have 2 or more keyboards . The rest will come more easily now... *cackle*

Also have a look at the cherry clear -> this is like the browns with a little bump in the top but with a heavier spring. I don't particularly like them, but you might.

Just helping you to narrow your options *evil grin*

Regards.

LOL that is SO not encouraging..i always thought you guys were a bunch of weirdos for having a million keyboards.. but I almost feel like i want two keyboards.. one for typing..like a blue switch and a topre or black switch for my gaming =(

yea i ran into that thread and was thinking of signing up.. but i'm too impatient as i know ima get my keyboard before that thing even arrives =)



on a side note.. plugged my keytronic in again just for kicks.. ugh i don't think i can ever go back =(  i really really do like this brown switch.. and im not jus sayin that either.. it's really grown on me in just one day.. i just wish it was a slight bit heavier and i'm being really picky.. i'm already used to this thing

and like you said lol i'm afraid ima end up keeping my topre and not ebaying this one and becoming a keyboard nerd like everyone here =[

[nocturn4l3030]

i think im gonna pull the trigger on a 55g one by the end of the day depending on other opinions when people wake up.

also if anyone knows how i can get a 55g tenkeyless one that'd be great

[laden3]

Don't forget the the buckling springs, they are pretty nice.

[nocturn4l3030]

Don't forget the the buckling springs, they are pretty nice.

they're okay for gaming? i haven't done too much research on those.. i think i will before i pull the trigger though

[SirClickAlot]

You can't go wrong imo when purchasing a topre.

If you don't like it , you can always sell it again.

Regards.

i think im gonna pull the trigger on a 55g one by the end of the day depending on other opinions when people wake up.

also if anyone knows how i can get a 55g tenkeyless one that'd be great

[laden3]

they're okay for gaming? i haven't done too much research on those.. i think i will before i pull the trigger though

I play only DotA and spam A, Alt and less than 4 keys at around 120-170 apm and I don't have any problems with the Unicomp Customizer.

You can't go wrong imo when purchasing a topre.

If you don't like it , you can always sell it again.

The resell value of a Topre board is pretty high. Assuming that he is in the US, it is hard to find 55g Topres, especially a tenkeyless one.

It is hard to find tenkeyless BS keyboard too... That is why I think it is easier to try some of the G80's on eBay, even if you don't like the black switches, they are pretty cheap and you won't lose much. They have good keycaps too.

[nocturn4l3030]

You can't go wrong imo when purchasing a topre.

If you don't like it , you can always sell it again.

Regards.

yea that's nice to know.. thanks again for the opinion

also i wanted to ask (without starting a whole new thread) .. i understand the topre has a tactile bump.. is it at all like the cherry blues or more like the browns?  i ask this because I find when I play games (as in spamming the same button more than once), the blues aren't that great of a switch to do that with.. but with the browns the switch is very subtle so i find spamming the same key not bad at all.  can you give me an opinion on this?  is the topre suitable for same key spamming?

[SirClickAlot]

The Topre has a bump all the way on the top. The cherry blue and brown don't have this. Their bump is not all the way on the top of the keystroke.
I used the Topre 55g weighted for 3d shooter games and couldn't find any fault in them in that role. Only recently I swapped the keyboard for a filco brown ( I swap my keyboards a lot.... )

Regards.

yea that's nice to know.. thanks again for the opinion

also i wanted to ask (without starting a whole new thread) .. i understand the topre has a tactile bump.. is it at all like the cherry blues or more like the browns?  i ask this because I find when I play games (as in spamming the same button more than once), the blues aren't that great of a switch to do that with.. but with the browns the switch is very subtle so i find spamming the same key not bad at all.  can you give me an opinion on this?  is the topre suitable for same key spamming?

[stuiees]

yea that's nice to know.. thanks again for the opinion

also i wanted to ask (without starting a whole new thread) .. i understand the topre has a tactile bump.. is it at all like the cherry blues or more like the browns?  i ask this because I find when I play games (as in spamming the same button more than once), the blues aren't that great of a switch to do that with.. but with the browns the switch is very subtle so i find spamming the same key not bad at all.  can you give me an opinion on this?  is the topre suitable for same key spamming?

I was recently; well actually currently in a similar dilemma as you.  I was on the hunt for the "perfect" keyboard to suit my gaming and casual typing wants/needs.  To keep it short, I ended up getting a Filco with browns and a HHKB pro because after much deliberation, I decided I needed to try them both out for myself.  After doing so, I can honestly say I prefer the Topre over the MX browns.  It is hard to explain why, but I will attempt to do that when I explain the difference in feel they each have.  Not that I do not like the browns, because it is actually the nicest keyboard I have owned aside from the HHKB (essentially got them within days of each other).  

Now that I have found the switch type I prefer, I would like to get a tenkeyless non weighted 55g Realforce also.  I almost jumped on the preorder of the weighted version on EKB but would really rather wait for what I am really looking for.

As for the tactile bump of the Topre, it does not really feel similar to the browns imo.  It is hard to explain in words to someone who has not tried them out for themselves, but since you have tried the browns I will try my best to compare them.  If I were to descibe the feeling of the browns I would say it feels like this: Little resistance to the actuation point, slight bump at the point of actuation, then again little resistance until you bottom out.  Also I would note that the travel from rest to actuation is shorter than the travel from the slight bump to bottoming out.  I would say about 1.5x the amount of travel (pure guesstimation).  But the feeling of initial travel before the bump feels essentially the same as the resistance after the bump on until you bottom out completely (key resistance feels the same all the way thru the stroke except for the bump).  As for the Topre, I would describe it as: Little resistance, slight bump at the point of actuation, little resistance, little more resistance, feel like your about to bottom out, then finally bottom out.  It is almost as if the key is preparing for you to bottom out, and it does not happen so suddenly like the MX switch.  Again the travel from rest to actuation feels shorter than actuation to bottom out, but the feeling between actuation and bottoming out is where the Topre wins my vote.  I am a gamer first, and noticed I am almost always bottoming out unless making a conscious effort not to.  It sounds like you are the same?  If you bottom out a lot I would recommend the Topre, the extra dimension of feeling you get after actuation really enhances the overall feel of pressing each key.  The extra feeling just makes the key presses seem much smoother, really it is hard to describe and I wish I could do a better job, but trust me *wink* it feels great!


Feel free to ask any other questions, and if you are able to find a non weighted tenkeyless realforce please let me know!!

[keyboardlover]

I like both and have used both for typing and gaming. If I had to choose, I'd pick variable-force. Also it's worth mentioning that variable-force won the poll we took regarding variable vs. 55g.

[stuiees]

I like both and have used both for typing and gaming. If I had to choose, I'd pick variable-force. Also it's worth mentioning that variable-force won the poll we took regarding variable vs. 55g.

Can always count on somone to come along and second guess your decitions!!  LOL...

Did you consider this was going to be used for gaming purposes first and formost?

[Lanx]

i think i preferred the rubber as thats why i been leaning toward the topre...only though because the browns felt like it was too light...but the blues would be awesome to type on imo...so i duno ;(

but yea i was thinking of going the black route but i keep hearing how heavy and unpleasant they are to type on..which i do alot of aside from gaming

gosh this sucks...i really wish i could try out everything before making a decision ....im gonna ebay the ducky but gona lose money on it im sure and its just a hassle..so i need my next keyboard to be "the one"

you sound like you have a heavy hand, the only way really if you "accidentally" press a button on a brown is if you generally have a heavy hand (always hovering home row or wasd with lots of weight) like most have said try cherry blacks with your heavy hand, it has the resistance just no bump. Alternatively try not to be so heavy. Really i've never accidentally pressed a brown switch, since i've used it for typing or gaming.

[keyboardlover]

Can always count on somone to come along and second guess your decitions!!  LOL...

Did you consider this was going to be used for gaming purposes first and formost?

The difference is noticeable but subtle. But I'd agree that it's more important of a difference for typing than gaming. Like I said though, I like both.

[stuiees]

Just got this e-mail from Brian at EKB:

We don't have any plans at this time to carry the 86U or UB with a 55g
layout. There really isn't much of a difference between these boards
unless you're touch typing, that would be the only time you'd really be
able to notice.

Bummer...

[keyboardlover]

I say:

If you're married to this layout, get the variable-force OR
If you require tenkeyless and uniform weight, get the 91UBY from the Keyboard Co when they are back in stock (uniform 45g + Japanese layout) OR
If you require uniform weight but don't care about tenkeyless, get the 103UB 55g.

\KL

[nocturn4l3030]

I was recently; well actually currently in a similar dilemma as you.  I was on the hunt for the "perfect" keyboard to suit my gaming and casual typing wants/needs.  To keep it short, I ended up getting a Filco with browns and a HHKB pro because after much deliberation, I decided I needed to try them both out for myself.  After doing so, I can honestly say I prefer the Topre over the MX browns.  It is hard to explain why, but I will attempt to do that when I explain the difference in feel they each have.  Not that I do not like the browns, because it is actually the nicest keyboard I have owned aside from the HHKB (essentially got them within days of each other).  

Now that I have found the switch type I prefer, I would like to get a tenkeyless non weighted 55g Realforce also.  I almost jumped on the preorder of the weighted version on EKB but would really rather wait for what I am really looking for.

As for the tactile bump of the Topre, it does not really feel similar to the browns imo.  It is hard to explain in words to someone who has not tried them out for themselves, but since you have tried the browns I will try my best to compare them.  If I were to descibe the feeling of the browns I would say it feels like this: Little resistance to the actuation point, slight bump at the point of actuation, then again little resistance until you bottom out.  Also I would note that the travel from rest to actuation is shorter than the travel from the slight bump to bottoming out.  I would say about 1.5x the amount of travel (pure guesstimation).  But the feeling of initial travel before the bump feels essentially the same as the resistance after the bump on until you bottom out completely (key resistance feels the same all the way thru the stroke except for the bump).  As for the Topre, I would describe it as: Little resistance, slight bump at the point of actuation, little resistance, little more resistance, feel like your about to bottom out, then finally bottom out.  It is almost as if the key is preparing for you to bottom out, and it does not happen so suddenly like the MX switch.  Again the travel from rest to actuation feels shorter than actuation to bottom out, but the feeling between actuation and bottoming out is where the Topre wins my vote.  I am a gamer first, and noticed I am almost always bottoming out unless making a conscious effort not to.  It sounds like you are the same?  If you bottom out a lot I would recommend the Topre, the extra dimension of feeling you get after actuation really enhances the overall feel of pressing each key.  The extra feeling just makes the key presses seem much smoother, really it is hard to describe and I wish I could do a better job, but trust me *wink* it feels great!


Feel free to ask any other questions, and if you are able to find a non weighted tenkeyless realforce please let me know!!

thank you very much for your indepth analysis.. that really helped alot

I like both and have used both for typing and gaming. If I had to choose, I'd pick variable-force. Also it's worth mentioning that variable-force won the poll we took regarding variable vs. 55g.

and thank you very much for making my decision hard again (lol jk)..

[nocturn4l3030]

you sound like you have a heavy hand, the only way really if you "accidentally" press a button on a brown is if you generally have a heavy hand (always hovering home row or wasd with lots of weight) like most have said try cherry blacks with your heavy hand, it has the resistance just no bump. Alternatively try not to be so heavy. Really i've never accidentally pressed a brown switch, since i've used it for typing or gaming.

i been using this keyboard all day again and i find myself not "accidentally" pressing keys anymore which is awesome and i'm really starting to love the board

but still.. i'm still wanting heavier keys.. i still find when i take an online typing test .. i still can't get to that point where i want to type as fast as i want to.. i don't know how to explain it except for maybe i'm just used to pressing my keys down really hard.. but as i'm typing this post it seems fine though.  i think i'm just really being picky.. but i guess i have that right since we all have spent hundreds on our keyboards

[nocturn4l3030]

Just got this e-mail from Brian at EKB:

We don't have any plans at this time to carry the 86U or UB with a 55g
layout. There really isn't much of a difference between these boards
unless you're touch typing, that would be the only time you'd really be
able to notice.

Bummer...

did you email him today and he responded to you just now??  i emailed him yesterday at the support email and he hasn't responded yet ....

thanks for emailing him (regardless if it was for me or not) that helped with my decision

[nocturn4l3030]

I say:

If you're married to this layout, get the variable-force OR
If you require tenkeyless and uniform weight, get the 91UBY from the Keyboard Co when they are back in stock (uniform 45g + Japanese layout) OR
If you require uniform weight but don't care about tenkeyless, get the 103UB 55g.

\KL

omg .....that keyboard looks so sexy.... why'd you have to show me that???

damnit!!! lol... omg...

are you (or anyone on this site) familiar with that website?  do you know if they tend to just have "ETA Pending" for a long time?  i dont' know if i could wait longer than a few weeks...or i would hate to wait for the announcement just to see it say "Coming in 6 months" or something =T

man that's sexy..

EDIT: ah thankfully it has that tiny spacebar that i can't use.. or else i'd seriously have a headache right now! i'd seriously be droolin over that though because the weighted 45g just seems perfect

[stuiees]

did you email him today and he responded to you just now??  i emailed him yesterday at the support email and he hasn't responded yet ....

thanks for emailing him (regardless if it was for me or not) that helped with my decision

I have been in corespondence with him the last few days.  But yes I did ask him this morning about the 55g 86/87 ub and he did reply back today.

I am sure he will get to your question too

[laden3]

I saw a guy switched the rubber domes in the tenkeyless with the rubber domes from the HHKB on youtube to create a 45g Realforce, couldn't find he vid -.-

Now! Its ur turn to think! I bet selling a variable-force 103 isn't hard.

edit: wtf it's gone

[elbowglue]

There are about 25,000 links to how to make an all 45g topre.. (from ripster's sig)
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:6402

[keyboardlover]

are you (or anyone on this site) familiar with that website?  do you know if they tend to just have "ETA Pending" for a long time?  i dont' know if i could wait longer than a few weeks...or i would hate to wait for the announcement just to see it say "Coming in 6 months" or something =T

Bruce from the Keyboard Co posts here frequently and last he said was they would restock this board sometime close to Christmas.

[stuiees]

I know I have seen it but cant find it for the life of me.  Can someone post the chart showing what keys are fit with each weight?

Thx in advance

EDIT: Think I found it http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=12569&stc=1&d=1285047836  is the layout the same for Realforce as the Cherry?

EDITx2: This is it... http://www.gesticulations.com/public/gallery/Images/fun/all45gtopre1.png

[nocturn4l3030]

There are about 25,000 links to how to make an all 45g topre.. (from ripster's sig)
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:6402

hm think i'll check it out.. but i think i'm too scared i might mess things up.. and i prob dont have the tools -.-

[stuiees]

ugh... I dont really like the idea of having to crack open and mess with the innards of a brand new product, just because the model I really wanted I couldnt find/wait for.  

I would want to swap all the 35g cups with the least used 45g keys... for me I think it would have to be: f9-f12, arrow keys, and the 9 keys above the arrow keys.  

The more I cant have it, the more I want it....

[stuiees]

I think they took the 45g cups from the keys outlined in red and replaced them with all the 35g cups.  The only 55g is the esc key

[nocturn4l3030]

pulled the trigger on the realforce 103UB 55g black on black, unfortunately it's the 103 keys, but i gotta admit i really miss the numberpad.. i have an idea of making my keyboard tray a little bit wider so i hope this all works out

hope i'll be satisfied with this one!!! gawd i hope i am.. lol

i think i'll like it though.. i have gotten quite used to the touch typing required for my ducky brown and it's quite nice.. but i tested out my old keytronic again and though it feels really nasty now- lol -i think i still prefer the harder pressure i had to push on the keys. my only concern is that i won't like how the key is actually activated the second the key starts to travel down.. i hope that doesn't bug me when it comes to gaming..we'll see though

and gawd i hope i find the courage enough to sell my ducky after i get my topre.. i can't afford both! but the geekyness in me wants to keep both, but i dont' want to end up like all of you guys with a thousand keyboards! (lol jk)

thanks everyone for their opinions, really helped me alot with my decision, i'll post back here when i get it!


ps - does anyone elses cherry brown keys squeak sometimes?  i dont know if it's just mine, but when i type i'll hear a slight but subtle nasty squeak noise that's kinda irritating..wondering if it's a switch thing, the way my ducky is built or what..

[keyboardlover]

I'm sure you'll love it...I used to have one and I loved it! I miss that extra pressure sometimes

ps - does anyone elses cherry brown keys squeak sometimes?  i dont know if it's just mine, but when i type i'll hear a slight but subtle nasty squeak noise that's kinda irritating..wondering if it's a switch thing, the way my ducky is built or what..

Yes I noticed that when I had a Filco with browns...didn't like it at all.

[nocturn4l3030]

I'm sure you'll love it...I used to have one and I loved it! I miss that extra pressure sometimes



Yes I noticed that when I had a Filco with browns...didn't like it at all.

i'm so excited .. i just ordered it but i had to get the fastest shipping =[  no patience what so ever

glad it's not just me..stupid squeak =[

[stuiees]

Gratz on being able to make a desition. I still can't. I like the feel of the 45g Topre on my hhkb and really want a tenkeyless so i think i may just get the 87ub and mod it.  Just kind if scary as I have zero exp taking apart keyboards.

[nocturn4l3030]

Gratz on being able to make a desition. I still can't. I like the feel of the 45g Topre on my hhkb and really want a tenkeyless so i think i may just get the 87ub and mod it.  Just kind if scary as I have zero exp taking apart keyboards.

gotta day thanks again for that lengthy post..since we both seem to bottom out from games, and the fact that you said that you love your hhkb but wanted the 55g made me comfortable in making my decision..but i will come and hint you down if i dont like it!! haha jk

what kind of games do you play btw? do you same key spam?

and yea i dont blame you bout not knowin what to do neither...seems like theres no same weight tenkeyless to be found unless you like that yellow japanese format..and i too dont like the idea of opening up and messing around with a 200 buck keyboard.  i did takr a quick glimpse at how to do it and it doesnt seem too bad... lemme kno what you end up doin

[stuiees]

Ya I am over the Japanese format and the yellow keys really aren't that appealing to me. I am going to bite the bullet and get the 87ub with variable. I will use it as is but if I don't like the way the 35g switch feels I will go ahead and attempt the mod. Ughhh...

[keyboardlover]

Don't you mean the 86UB? If so, that has 30g on the pinkies rather than 35g like the 87U.

[nocturn4l3030]

just wanted to update this post now that I been messing with my realforce 55g for almost 2 days now

this is EXACTLY the type of keyboard i've always wanted.. i kinda felt the keycaps and just the overall feel of the Ducky Brown felt a little bit cheap.. so i'm very happy that the real force has the exact opposite feel of that.. it feels of great quality and is like s3x on my fingers

it has exactly the type of "feel" and just everything I want from a keyboard.... i know the real force is the one for me! it would be perfect except........for the 55g thing.

i thought it was something i could get used to.. which i'm sure i can give it maybe another week.. but i dont think i do want to.  after a few hours of typing my hand started hurting and i can't be havin that because i'm on the computer quite often. the tactileness of the 55g does feel awesome though and it sucks that this isn't going to work out.. so i'm selling it in the classified section or ebay (along with my ducky)

but i did put in an order for the exact same topre real force with variable weight! i'm 95% sure that i'm going to be satisfied with that board and will end my experimentation =)  (i been buying and reselling boards with obsession in search of the one that suits me... -.-)

i can't wait!

oh and like everyone else mentioned.. i really wish they'd make a 45g keyboard.. that for sure would be perfect!

side note: i just sold my ducky and i'm quite sad...i gotten used to it and it has such an opposite feel of the realforce.. i really want to keep both!  but i can't, i have to pick one. i really do want to pick up a cherry blue keyboard one day though

will update once again when i get my variable version!

[nocturn4l3030]

There are about 25,000 links to how to make an all 45g topre.. (from ripster's sig)
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:6402

is there a part 3 to this mod? i think i'm blind but i can't find it.. or at least the part where he actually does switch the rubber domes?

[nocturn4l3030]

gracias.. oh man that looks scary .. but i think ima go for it.........

[keyboardlover]

gracias.. oh man that looks scary .. but i think ima go for it.........

Awesome! Please post pics and let us know how it turns out!

[stuiees]

Any update?  I should finally get my variable 86u tomorrow. Would like to know if you attempted the mod/if not how the variable keys feel while gaming wasd?

Thanks