Rossi's Energy Catalyzer - tested at University of Bologna

[keyboardlover]

I've found that most of RiGS' facts (i.e. opinions) lack evidence.

[Fwiffo]

That would be lame!

So that's a yes, then?

[RiGS]

Any chemical process should be ruled out for producing 25 kWh from whatever is in a 50 cubic centimeter container. The only alternative explanation is that there is some kind of a nuclear process that gives rise to the measured energy production.

How could you explain that?

[Fwiffo]

I haven't seen independent confirmation of that number, evidence that it was tested under controlled, scientific conditions, or that any competent person has examined the entirety of the device (the 50 cc "reactor" is not the only component.)

@RiGS - is Gigi your sockpuppet?

[RiGS]

The two physicists recently supervised a new test of the device in Bologna, Italy

Essén and Professor Emeritus at Uppsala University Sven Kullander, also chairman of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences’ Energy Committee, both participated on 29 March as observers at a new trial in Bologna of the so-called ‘energy catalyzer’, which could be based on cold fusion, or LENR, Low Energy Nuclear Reaction...

At the trial in Bologna, Kullander and Essén could investigate the energy catalyzer with the surrounding insulation and the lead shielding stripped away. The exterior design is described in their report.

Throughout the experiment Kullander and Essén had the opportunity to examine the equipment.

“We checked everything that could be checked, and we could walk around freely and have a look at most of the equipment,” said Essén.

“We looked specifically into the big control unit (with electronics) and it contains mostly rectifiers and passive components – there was nothing of interest in it,” said Kullander, which is in line of what Dr. Levi previously noted.

No, I'm not connected to Gigi.

[Fwiffo]

“We checked everything that could be checked, and we could walk around freely and have a look at most of the equipment,” said Essén.

Why not all? If the device is patentable and he's submitted a patent request, as the inventor claims, then there is no fear in showing how it works. In fact, it's a requirement for the patent.

If the device works as claimed, he should have no difficulty publishing these results in an established, peer-reviewed, scientific journal or producing a patent application that actually describes how it works. He has done neither. What is he hiding?

[The Solutor]

Why not all? If the device is patentable and he's submitted a patent request, as the inventor claims, then there is no fear in showing how it works. In fact, it's a requirement for the patent.

If the device works as claimed, he should have no difficulty publishing these results in an established, peer-reviewed, scientific journal or producing a patent application that actually describes how it works. He has done neither. What is he hiding?

Ask the same question to Mr Meucci (the inventor of the phone)...

BTW, if this is not a joke (and if it's a joke is really well constructed), I think that the main task that Focardi has to do, is to stay alive until October, rather than being worried about the patent.

[RiGS]

I believed that Alexander Graham Bell is the inventor of the telephone.

Focardi?? The inventor of the Energy Catalyzer is Andrea Rossi.

[The Solutor]

I believed that Alexander Graham Bell is the inventor of the telephone.

Yes this is exactly the problem.

[Fwiffo]

When you apply for a patent, you disclose how your invention works. That's how the patent system works. The bargain is that you trade your secrecy for the legal protection, and for a limited time, a legal monopoly on the product.

Not everyone makes that bargain. Coke keeps their secret recipe a secret. Many other companies rely on trade secrets instead of patents. But if their secret gets out, or somebody re-discovers their invention, or reverse-engineers it, they're SOL.

If you get a patent, then the workings of your device become public information. But you are able to profit because, for the duration of the patent, nobody can copy your invention without getting permission (a license) from you.

He seems to want to keep the workings of his device a secret while simultaneously gaining the protection of a patent. That's not how it works.

I have seen nothing to suggest that this is anything other than a run-of-the-mill investment con.

[Gigi]

Sergio Focardi: parla il padre della “fusione fredda (Ni-H)” - Pubblicato il 06.04.2011

http://translate.google.it/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fradio.rcdc.it%2Farchives%2Fsergio-focardi-parla-il-padre-della-fusione-fredda-ni-h-75679%2F&sl=it&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

http://radio.rcdc.it/archives/sergio-focardi-parla-il-padre-della-fusione-fredda-ni-h-75679/

an interesting talk radio for people like me who speaks italian.

http://www.radio24.ilsole24ore.com/radio24_audio/110406-mrkilowatt.mp3

Preview the podcast service that will be broadcast tonight at 21 by Mr. Kilowatt heading on Radio 24 by Maurizio Melis, interviews with Giuseppe Levi

[Fwiffo]

From one of the earlier linked articles:

Both measurements show that the pure nickel powder contains mainly nickel, and the used powder is different in that several elements are present, mainly 10 percent copper and 11 percent iron. The isotopic analysis through ICP-MS doesn’t show any deviation from the natural isotopic composition of nickel and copper.

(emphasis mine) This is evidence of fraud. The allegedly "used" powder contains isotopes of copper in the same ratio as copper found in nature. If the copper were really produced by this device, it would contain only specific isotopes created by the claimed nuclear reaction plus any impurities that were present in the original nickel.

The "used" sample is actually just a mixture of nickel and copper that Rossi prepared. It's not the product of his device. That's the only explanation that accounts for the isotope concentrations observed.

[RiGS]

When you apply for a patent, you disclose how your invention works. That's how the patent system works. The bargain is that you trade your secrecy for the legal protection, and for a limited time, a legal monopoly on the product.

Not everyone makes that bargain. Coke keeps their secret recipe a secret. Many other companies rely on trade secrets instead of patents. But if their secret gets out, or somebody re-discovers their invention, or reverse-engineers it, they're SOL.

If you get a patent, then the workings of your device become public information. But you are able to profit because, for the duration of the patent, nobody can copy your invention without getting permission (a license) from you.

He seems to want to keep the workings of his device a secret while simultaneously gaining the protection of a patent. That's not how it works.

I have seen nothing to suggest that this is anything other than a run-of-the-mill investment con.

Actually this is not entirely true.
You can patent different parts of the invention, and keep crucial parts a secret.
Companies are out there trying to steal the actual invention by altering the patent and constructing a relatively similar device.

[Ekaros]

Actually this is not entirely true.
You can patent different parts of the invention, and keep crucial parts a secret.
Companies are out there trying to steal the actual invention by altering the patent and constructing a relatively similar device.

Still, when others get their hands over the catalyst and results it's soon over... Have to see how this will unfold...

[The Solutor]

Is this going to solve the Greek Debt Crises?

Or help Berlusconi?

If it works I think will not help Berlusconi

If it works, someone will find quickly the need of exporting "freedom" also in Italy, and not just in Iraq, Afganistan or Libia :biggrin:

[RiGS]

It will be introduced first in Greece.

[drsauced]

Damn.  Bunga bunga is kinda catchy.

[Gigi]

Professor Focardi said "Cold Fusion Ni-H"  - April 5, 2011 RCdCweb TV shows - April 9, 2011
http://translate.google.it/translate?hl=it&sl=it&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2F22passi.blogspot.com%2F2011%2F04%2Fil-professor-focardi-spiega-la-fusione.html
http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/04/il-professor-focardi-spiega-la-fusione.html

Sven Kullander's additional comments on Rossi's Energy Catalyzer
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44471.html
Rossi energy catalyst - a big hoax or new physics? - April 9, 2011
http://translate.google.it/translate?hl=it&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Faleklett.wordpress.com%2F2011%2F04%2F08%2Frossis-energikatalysator-%25E2%2580%2593-en-stor-bluff-eller-helt-ny-fysik%2F
http://aleklett.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/rossis-energikatalysator-%E2%80%93-en-stor-bluff-eller-helt-ny-fysik/

[Fwiffo]

Dr. Gene Ray, Cube Phenomenologist and THE WISEST HUMAN
http://www.timecube.com/

[digitalleftovers]

Dr. Gene Ray, Cube Phenomenologist and THE WISEST HUMAN
http://www.timecube.com/

^^^ Long live timecube!

Only the four-cornered mind can truely understand the four-cornered nature of cold fusion.

[The Solutor]

Yesterday at the Polytechnic University of Turin took place one experiment involving some piezo-nuclear reactions.

An engineer, friend of mine, was present. The "exotic" material involved was just the Luserna's stone a granite commonly available around the town where I live.

Well was discovered that this kind of stone, if compressed, emits neutrons because a nuclear transmutation take place (the iron becomes aluminum).

Afaik is a very young research and most of the process involved are still not well known, but the nuclear reaction is sure.

Maybe all of this is completely unrelated with the energy catalysts or maybe not, but demonstrates that we still have an huge amount of physics to learn and that something considered hilarious until few years ago is real, tough yet not completely understood.

You can read more about this experiment here

http://www.structuralintegrity.eu/pdf/esis/Documents/Newsletter/ESIS_newsletter_2010_IP001.pdf

[RiGS]

My father used to warn me to not touch the the granite in Kiev.

[The Solutor]

It is well known that granite is radioactive.

No, it's not this kind of radioactivity I'm speaking about.

Some kind of stones can be naturally radioactive because can contain radium, thorium, uranium, in little quantities.

Is not the case here.

Here is the iron, which is not radioactive that is broken and transformed in aluminum that emits neutrons, and emits them just during a mechanical compression.

Doesn't mean that graveyards will become a power source any time soon.

Doesn't mean, but surely means that happens  something of absolutely unsuspected by the classic physics.

And is enough to raise some questions.

[The Solutor]

May raise questions, but hopefully not the dead.

Please don't mention your penis every two or three posts. :tongue:

[bpiphany]

Why not use water?

[The Solutor]

Why not use water?

Basically is the question that every fusion (hot or cold) involved researcher is trying to answer.


Here, I mean in the stone experiment, the nuclear reaction is  fission, and there is the hypothesis about the so called cold fusion (and also the OP experiment) could be a fission reaction also.

[Fwiffo]

Iron has a much higher binding energy than aluminum, so fission of iron would be a net energy loss.

[Fwiffo]

Some kind of stones can be naturally radioactive because can contain radium, thorium, uranium, in little quantities.

Is not the case here.

Granite contains radioactive elements. That's the reason your basement contains radon.

Here is the iron, which is not radioactive that is broken and transformed in aluminum that emits neutrons, and emits them just during a mechanical compression.

This is just conjecture, even according to the authors of the paper.

[The Solutor]

Iron has a much higher binding energy than aluminum, so fission of iron would be a net energy loss.

I think that, for now, the purpose of the experiment was not to demonstrate the feasibility of a reactor (like in the Rossi case) but demonstrating that something of completely unknown actually happen.

[The Solutor]

Here's my Radon results.

Yes, my wife made me Radon my mancave.  However although my son does have 6 fingers on his nonmousing hand he uses USB and with 6KRO he does fine.

You radon values are low enough, you still plug the cable of your beloved Xarmor to make it glowing...:smile:

Btw what you used to test your radon ? 3dmark 2006 ?:tongue:

[stupefaction]

In other news, researchers at the University of Liverwurst have demonstrated the production of methane by combining pickles and ice cream in the human digestive tract.

[The Solutor]

In other news, researchers at the University of Liverwurst have demonstrated the production of methane by combining pickles and ice cream in the human digestive tract.

Thanks for your contribution,seem that the idea was already tested in italy.

But the researchers obtained just vomit and not methane.

Likely the of the Italians is an obstacle for this kind of experiments...:biggrin:

[The Solutor]

Has Italy invented anything of importance since the Pizza?

Do you mean other than things like the phone, the radio, the asynchronous electric motor, the very first personal computer and something like that ?

BTW Pizza was not a so bright invention we hat to discover the America to get the tomatoes :biggrin:

[The Solutor]

Alexander Graham Bell, and America invented all that stuff.

be serious

[Fwiffo]

Tesla was demonstrating radio long before Marconi and beat Ferraris to the asynchronous electric motor; he was Serbian-American. The first microcomputer of significance was the Altair 8080, which was made by an American company.

I don't know why we should trust the word of Italian engineers at all...

[RiGS]

Tesla was born and raised in the good old Hungary.

[Fwiffo]

You know that on the Internet people can check these things... It was the Austrian empire at the time, but he was born and raised in what is now Croatia.

[hcry4]

This thread reminded me of this.

[RiGS]

You know that on the Internet people can check these things... It was the Austrian empire at the time, but he was born and raised in what is now Croatia.

LOL arguing with a Hungarian on this is pointless.
He was born on the territory of Hungarian Kingdom.

[Fwiffo]

Don't worry, I don't consider you representative of the Hungarian people, or the Huns even.

[The Solutor]

Tesla was demonstrating radio long before Marconi and beat Ferraris to the asynchronous electric motor; he was Serbian-American.

Tesla was a great technician bot is not the inventor of the radio nor American

The first microcomputer of significance was the Altair 8080

The Olivetti Programma 101 was presented 10 years before the 8080 and was sold in 40000 units v.s. the 5000 altairs, so you should redefine your concept of "significance".

The French made Michral was also 3 years older than the Altair.

I don't know why we should trust the word of Italian engineers at all...

You should trust something that was 3 century old when your country was discovered (and is still on its legs)

[RiGS]

Don't worry, I don't consider you representative of the Hungarian people, or the Huns even.

Hahaha, I'm flattered.

[Fwiffo]

I listed Tesla as Serbian-American. He was a US citizen when he was doing his important work on Radio. We're a country of immigrants - if you move here and become a citizen, you're an American.

[RiGS]

Sounds like the American Dream.

[Gigi]

PiezoNucleare - TgR Leonardo - 15 April 2011

Anomalous nuclear reactions produced in a mechanical way. Experiment at the Politecnico di Torino. Towards a new form of energy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm9oXebsx-o

Today, 16 April 2011 at 21.30 in Italy there should be a specialer on low energy nuclear reactions "LENR" on channel rainews24. A replay on Sunday 17 at 16.00 and then it will be online. From the rumors on some blogs, I read that they are preparing special Rossi-Focardi. The coming months will be hot.

[donq]

My 2¢

From #1: "...Andrea Rossi submitted his "Energy Catalyzer" reactor, which burns hydrogen in a nickel catalyst..."

Key word here .... "burn". Am I missing something?

Just because it happens in a "reactor", doesn't mean it is has to be a nuclear reaction. "Burn" is a chemical reaction, that can sometimes be improved by the presence of a catalyst, often in a container called a (chemical) reactor.

Maybe the most significant type of "reactor" in this story is the internet itself. The type of reaction it contains?

... the over-reaction! :der:

[The Solutor]

My 2¢

From #1: "...Andrea Rossi submitted his "Energy Catalyzer" reactor, which burns hydrogen in a nickel catalyst..."

Key word here .... "burn". Am I missing something?

Just because it happens in a "reactor", doesn't mean it is has to be a nuclear reaction. "Burn" is a chemical reaction:

Burn here is intended as a generic term.

When you say "burn" a DVD do you mean incinerate it ?

[Gigi]

Rainew24 - April 16, 2011

The "low energy nuclear reactions" are a rapidly expanding field of physics that could provide energy at minimal cost. They talk about it with Maurizio Torrealta Professor Yogendra Srivastava Department of Physics, University of Perugia, the researcher of Promete Srl Roberto Germano, Vice President of ISCMNS Francesco Celani, a professor of structural engineering at the Polytechnic of Turin Albert Carpiteri and the theoretical physicist Emilio Del Giudice.

Rainews24 "LENR" part1
Rainews24 "LENR" part2

low_energy_1.mp4
low_energy_2.mp4

[Gigi]

I haven't seen and heard so much Italian since "The Sopranos".

Damn that was a good show.

you've heard of Amerigo Vespucci, Italian explorer, navigator and cartographer gave his name to a continent, can you tell me which

try searching, maybe someone made ​​a movie.

read more books, not watch only the television. not there is only Berlusconi and Mafia in Italy, our country has more than 2000 years of history, America as it has, all empires end up sooner or later... America is no exception.

[Gigi]

citta del capo radio metropolitana

Stremmenos: "la fusione fredda risolverà molti problemi dell'umanità"
Stremmenos: "cold fusion will solve many problems of humanity"
Original + Google Italian-English translation

23 April, 2011

in a few days there should be a translation of the two audio files.

Part1 - Stremmenos_collab-con-Focardi-e-Rossi_sito.mp3
Part2 - Stremmenos_la-grecia_la-politica_la-scienza_sito.mp3

...the translation of the text.

http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/04/aaa-cercansi-8-volontari.html

Professor Christos Stremmenos is the man who brought cold fusion in Greece, doing his best with the greek government to facilitate the startup of the factory that will manifacture "Energy Catalyzers", reactors invented and tested by Andrea Rossi and Sergio Focardi, to build a 1-megawatt powerplant.

Christos Stremmons came in Bologna from Greece in the '50s, city where he married and he worked at the University [of Bologna] until his retirement. His opposition to the colonels' military regime estabilished in the late '60s in his home country made him strongly relate with the anti-fascist scene, and in particular deeply linked him with the Pasok (the Greek socialist party) founder Andreas Papandreou and his son George Papandreou, current Greek prime minister. In the '80s he's also been Greek ambassador in Italy. Since the first experiments of Fleichmann and Pons he's been interested to cold fusion, trying to replicate the two chemists' experiments. These studies made him get in touch with Sergio Focardi, ending up working together with him on cold fusion research using, in particular, Nickel powder instead of Palladium.

In the first part of the interview, Stremmenos traces back the history of his scientific studies at the University of Bologna (in the "bunker" laboratory of the Physics Department) until the latest developments of Focardi's studies, occurred thanks to the innovations made by engineer Rossi: "we have many ideas - claims Stremmenos - and there still is a long way to go, but it's a road that will lead to incredible developments".

In the second part of the interview Professor Stremmenos focuses on recent events: it's actually he who pleads with the greek government to make an industrial plant possible. It's Defkalion Green Technology, business of which he is vice-chairman (on a "honorary basis", he says), which deals with that. Taking turns with hard attacks to the portion of the scientific community refusing to take into consideration the enthusiasm for the discovery of a new technology that he defines "revolutionary" and able to solve mankind's energy problems, Christos Stremmenos states: "it will be the market that will defeat skeptics, even if it's not a discovery that must serve capitalists, but mankind". He then notes that in October the first cold fusion power plant will be christened in Greece.

On March, greek economy newspaper "Express" reported":
2011-03-16: "A 200 million euro investment is about to arrive in Xanthi (a city in northern Greece) for the startup of an industrial unit for the production of devices for low cost thermal and electric energy generation. The greek business Defkalion Green Tecnologies, which will invest for the mass production and worldwide distribution of Hyperion devices, secured all rights of the scientific discovery of two italian scientists (with a holding company) who claim to have invented a cold Nickel and Hydrogen cold fusion reactor which generates an amount of heat vastly greater than what the reactor needs to start up. Defkalion Green Technologies has not only secured all rights for the economic exploitation of the two italian professors' invention, but also managed to made it an industrial product, in order to turn over not the energy situation of our country, but also at an international level. (http://www.express.gr/news/business/434458oz_20110316434458.php3).

22passi.blogspot.com - 25 April, 2011

Google Italian-English translation of the audio files - Interview with Christos Stremmenos (RCDC)
Coming soon will be available the English translation made ​​by vain and Alex (with the contribution of Tizzie)