Rossi's Energy Catalyzer - tested at University of Bologna

[RiGS]

An Italian inventor, Andrea Rossi submitted his "Energy Catalyzer" reactor, which burns hydrogen in a nickel catalyst, for examination by scientists at the University of Bologna and The INFN (Italian National Institute of Nuclear Physics).
The test was organized by Dr. Giuseppe Levi of INFN and the University of Bologna and was assisted by other members of the physics and chemistry faculties. This result was achieved without the production of any measurable nuclear radiation.
The magnitude of this result suggests that there is a viable energy technology that uses commonly available materials, that does not produce carbon dioxide, and that does not produce radioactive waste and will be economical to build.

http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/newenergyandfuel/com/2011/01/25/cold-fusion-from-italy-updated/
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LeviGreportonhe.pdf

I'm not surprised that the information on this invention was witheld from the general public by the mainstream media.

[Ekaros]

There isn't clear explanation of working principle...

What happens to hydrogen? What it turns in? How this all is suppoused to work.

[quadibloc]

There are two possibilities.

The first is that this is an improved hydrogen fuel cell. That would be nice for electric cars, but otherwise unexciting.

The second is that, although it doesn't involve any neutrons, it's still cold fusion.

Remember cold fusion? Hydrogen being adsorbed by palladium, and releasing quantities of energy that implied a nuclear reaction was taking place? Pons and Fleischmann?

And then there were reports that the Japanese were doing the same thing, but with nickel instead of palladium? And other claims that a similar level of energy release was obtained, but with no evidence of a nuclear reaction?

Of course the mainstream media doesn't report new discoveries that appear to violate the laws of physics. When the mainstream scientific community looks into them, and appears to be taking them seriously, then is the time for the exciting news story.

Something strange really and truly found in a physics lab - that's news.

Crackpot says he's found antigravity, or turned lead into gold, or can talk to plants - that's not news.

Crackpot thinks the major newspapers are picking on him, because they're ignoring his great discovery, his wonderful insight? Also not news - kooks are a dime a dozen, as one can see from USENET.

Maybe it will turn out that there is something to this cold fusion business. If so, however, those working on it will have to, on their own, develop it enough so that it clearly and unmistakably works before they can go forward and attract outside attention... and investment.

For obvious reasons.

[godly_music]

"How does your wonderful device work?"

"We don't really know, and we won't tell you either, but we'll sell them. Here's our e-mail address."

[Ekaros]

I would think most realistic possibility is it being some sort of chemical reaction, which releases heat, also their figures might be doubtfull...

Perpetual motion machines has long been made, one with not very much testing is just one more.

Also, does it net more energy than the running and production of hydrogen?

[quadibloc]

There is a real University of Bologna. It even has a claim to fame: it's been operating continuously since 1088, making it the world's longest-running University.

Its motto is Alma Mater Studiorum.

However, the original post notes that Andrea Rossi submitted his invention for examination by scientists there; and they found it wasn't radioactive. That doesn't say that they found that it actually produces energy.

In fact, this is real; there is an Andrea Rossi in Italy, and he does claim to have an invention related to cold fusion.

[JBert]

That pesn.com website (Pure Energy Systems Network) is not the best reference... It is full of allegedly novel generators, free energy collectors and perpetual motion machines.

[RiGS]

That pesn.com website (Pure Energy Systems Network) is not the best reference... It is full of allegedly novel generators, free energy collectors and perpetual motion machines.

It was aired on the Greek national TV.

[JBert]

It's all Greek to me.

It's strange that it gets aired, it isn't the first of April yet...

[RiGS]

It's all Greek to me.

There is an english summary in the description.

Here is the full english subbed video on the Bologna University Test.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=L4JUJhkpc3I

[Ekaros]

Very doubtful of it, not disclosing the principle, might be true, might be serious hoax. Have to wait and see...

[RiGS]

This seems legit.
There are many sources just google.

[quadibloc]

This seems legit.

That depends what you mean by "legit".

Yes, there is a real person who thinks he's invented a cold fusion device.

He even got a prestigious university to test it, to determine that it doesn't give off radiation.

That, of course, in no way whatever attaches any credibility to the claim that it does produce energy. If genuine scientists at a major university had verified that, then this would be big news indeed.

The fact that the mainstream media haven't been fooled by a cute scheme to appropriate the credibility of the University of Bologna in the public's mind on behalf of an "alternate energy" device is not some plot of suppression on their part; it's an entirely natural and responsible refusal to let themselves be used and manipulated.

[vils]

These the same Greeks that created the Greek National Debt Perpetual Motion Machine?

Read this: Beware of Greeks bearing bonds Long but revealing.

Rossi's stunt I´ll comment this way:

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   whineAboutTheEstablishmentNotAcceptingYourGroundbreakingFindings();
   p.getForgottenByMainstream();
   List<Crackpot> c = p.getCrackpotFollowers();
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     c.spreadOnTheInternetAsHiddenTruth(p);
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[Ekaros]

That depends what you mean by "legit".

Yes, there is a real person who thinks he's invented a cold fusion device.

He even got a prestigious university to test it, to determine that it doesn't give off radiation.

That, of course, in no way whatever attaches any credibility to the claim that it does produce energy. If genuine scientists at a major university had verified that, then this would be big news indeed.

The fact that the mainstream media haven't been fooled by a cute scheme to appropriate the credibility of the University of Bologna in the public's mind on behalf of an "alternate energy" device is not some plot of suppression on their part; it's an entirely natural and responsible refusal to let themselves be used and manipulated.

Also it's not nuclear energy by some claims. Also the person in question don't exactly know what is going on... Somewhat fishy...

[vils]

This seems legit.
There are many sources just google.

[kps]

This seems legit.

[kps]

Oops, sorry. What ever was I thinking?

[RiGS]

This seems legit.

[digitalleftovers]

I believe that even if someone ever does create a device/reaction that produces more energy than was put in, the explanation will eventually be that more energy was resident in the reaction than we previously understood.

[digitalleftovers]

I'm just happy to know that all I need is this much tin foil to prevent energy (or sub-atomic particles of any kind) escaping or contaminating my experiments.  Does the IAEA know about tin foil?  If so, why are the world's nuclear plants not insulated with this stuff?

[keyboardlover]

Is that a metal leg replacement for a giant fairy?

[quadibloc]

I believe that even if someone ever does create a device/reaction that produces more energy than was put in, the explanation will eventually be that more energy was resident in the reaction than we previously understood.

Yes, that is true enough.

That's why we don't regard Enrico Fermi as another Italian inventor of a phoney perpetual motion machine.

There may be other undiscovered sources of energy. But for every real undiscovered source of energy that gets found, there will be a thousand false starts.

[Gigi]

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.energypress.gr%2Fportal%2Fresource%2FcontentObject%2Fid%2Fe7cf318d-06b8-414a-8183-54af3baf5897&sl=el&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

[vils]

Read this: Beware of Greeks bearing bonds Long but revealing.

I will not invest in Greek energy companys for a very long time.

[RiGS]

I will not invest in Greek energy companys for a very long time.

These are produced in the US.

[digitalleftovers]

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.energypress.gr%2Fportal%2Fresource%2FcontentObject%2Fid%2Fe7cf318d-06b8-414a-8183-54af3baf5897&sl=el&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

"... for the whole world except the United States" I guess I won't need to care, then, because I cant have any.  Thanks a lot, Grease.

[keyb_gr]

Read this: Beware of Greeks bearing bonds Long but revealing.

Holy Carp[tm].



I knew it was bad, but...

[Gigi]

http://translate.google.it/translate?hl=it&sl=it&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.consulente-energia.com%2Ffusione-fredda-scoperta-invenzione-andrea-rossi-focardi-come-funziona-reattore-apparato-catalizzatore-di-energia-kw.html
http://pesn.com/2011/03/17/9501791_Welcome_Worry-Free_Nuclear_Power--Rossis_Energy_Catalyzer/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/mar/17/nuclear-future-beyond-japan/
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3126617.ece

[RiGS]

Here is a recent interview with the inventor Andrea Rossi.

It's starting around at 9 minutes or so.

[BucklingSpring]

Hippy girls are the best.

Maybe as girlfriend... Not the best mothers though.

[quadibloc]

Hey, but von Däniken was right about the Ark of the Covenant! If you leave a big capacitor lying around in dry air, it _will_ accumulate a charge. Not really a practical source of energy, though... and I think I'd rather leave Wilhelm Reich out of it too (not to mention Pyramid Power), if you don't mind.

[Gigi]

be skeptical is fine but there are people who do not believe that it is a fraud and are not just ordinary people who say this.

Cold Fusion Back In The Limelight - Guest Speaker Dr. Brian Josephson
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=484427

Brian David Josephson. The Nobel Prize in Physics 1973
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1973/josephson-cv.html

http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/

OOOOooooooo. Tesla and other crazy people.

Tesla was a genius, inventor, mechanical engineer and electrical engineer. Try to imagine a world that knows no alternating current.

[quadibloc]

Tesla coil. Faraday cage.

[quadibloc]

Edison should have won the AC/DC battle.

Edison used sneaky and underhanded techniques to try to win, like associating AC with the electric chair.

And AC was better! Nowadays, we have HVDC transmission lines, thanks to advanced solid-state technology, but with the technology of the time, AC was vastly superior because transformers - not motor-generators with moving parts, needing constant maintenance - could convert electricity to higher voltages.

This was vitally important because it allows more energy to be transmitted with less current - so Ohm's Law is working for you, instead of against you, and electricity can be transmitted with acceptable losses over ordinary wires, instead of expensive giant rods of copper.

Had the United States gone with direct current, it would have turned itself into an industrial backwater.

Unfortunately, while Tesla was a genius in the early part of his career, sometimes the line between genius and madness can be thin - and too many people don't see the distinction, and waste time with hopes that Tesla left behind secrets of power broadcasting, death rays, or antigravity or whatever.

[strum4h]

Flying cars here we come.

[RiGS]

lol

[RiGS]

I've quoted the relevant part of the interview.

G: We are going live to Italy right now. Andrea Rossi is with us who has perfected this incredible device. Hello Andrea. How are you?

A: Very well. Hello to you and thank you very much for calling me.

G: Tell me a little bit about your system.

A. Yes. It is a module which has a power of about ten kilowatts. It works making a reaction of nickel and hydrogen and that reaction of that. More energy is produced from the output in respect to the energy that is fed to the module. So that due to the first and second of thermodynamics necessarily we have in this case a nuclear reaction. You know I am not so prone to call it cold fusion I prefer to call it Low energy nuclear Reactions, but in any case we have a source of energy which is clean, quite cheap, and which does not leave radioactive waste.

G: What is your vision for it's use? Would we have it for homes, businesses, what would we do with it?

A. Well, good question. In the short term necessarily it will be just an industrial use to produce heat and power. In the longer term I suppose that it would be really also for household use. But in this last case there are difficulties to overcome for what concerns the certifications said to get all the necessary authorizations to go in a home. You can easily understand there is a big difference between putting a plant in an industry or in a site where there are skilled persons to control it and to put them in a house where not necessarily there is a skilled person to use it. So it will take more time to go in the households while in October we will setup the first one megawatt plant in an industry.

G: How much would a unit cost for industry?

A. Well, the cost I can give you a cost per kilowatt of power installed. Leonardo Corporation... first of all let me say that this stuff is made in the USA. Because....

G: At least something will be made here in this country. It has been a long time.

A. In this wonderful country we produce everything good. This is one more product that will be made in the United States. And the exception will be in Greece and the Balkans where we have given a license of manufacturing. The cost at the moment the cost which is a subject to degrees as usually happens with an increase in the scale of production. But in any case the cost is around 2000 dollars per kilowatt installed so for example a one megawatt plant has a cost of production which is around 2 million dollars. A one megawatt power plant which means a plant that is capable of producing one thousand kilowatt hours per hour. I assume you also want to know the cost of the energy produced. The energy produced has a cost of about 1 cent of dollar per kilowatt hour.

G: That is almost nothing.

S: Utah has the cheapest power around the world just about and it is 4 cents per kilowatt hour wholesale.

G: Not bad at all. Andrea, what kind of fuel does it consume?

A: Yes. First of all, Thank you very much for how you are speaking English. You are really helping me speaking that way, because I can understand you perfectly. The fuel is made by nickel powder which is a powder of nickel metal and hydrogen.

G: Is that expensive to use and is it readily available?

A. The nickel powder costs about 20 dollars per kilogram which is 10 dollars or something around nine dollars per pound and hydrogen you know perfectly how much that costs. And you consider that producing ten kilowatt hours the consumption is around one gram of hydrogen per day. When I say day I mean a twenty four hours. And about one hundred grams of nickel powder in a period of about six months.

G: Every time when someone develops what could be alternative energy something happens either a big corporation tries to buy them and bury it or they get threatened, they get scared, they stop working on their projects. Has that ever occurred to you? Have you been forced to try and stop? Have they wanted to buy your idea and sweep it under the carpet?

A. Sincerely, no this did not happen to me because we made quite a different policy than what others made. We did not ask for external funding. So I have put into this operation all my money and I did not want external financing for two reasons. One is to avoid that something like what you say would happen and secondly it was very risky because when you do something really new the risk that you meet an unsuccess is very high. So I wanted not to make American football with the bones of the others.

S: If I can interject here really quick you actually had an event in an earlier technology you worked on that would turn waste into energy and fuel and it was politicized and you ended up spending some time in jail. You were later exonerated completely but you have had experience with that and that is why you are playing smart now.

A: yes exactly. Yes this is a very good consideration. At this point being completely free you know I arrived... I said to myself I had to arrive not with a theory or with a toy on a table. I have to arrive with a product. In fact we will begin to earn money in October after the successful start up of the plant of one megawatt. Until that moment all the moment on the table has been and will be my money. The only money that has been risked is my money. This way I have cut all the voices about this guy is trying to make some trick, etc, etc. Any attempts to diminish the importance of the technology has been foiled. Because it is clear if somebody puts all his money in a thing if this is a trick he is just tricking himself. The rules are very clear here. Money will change hands only if the plant will work. No good work no money for anybody and a loss of money for me.

And I this approach has saved us from the risk that you say. Now all the people who are approaching us are approaching us on a positive attitude and we have extremely important contacts going on and we will... we base our contracts on the fact that the plants have to work. We earn if the plants work. I hope we will be able to defend these policies.

G: Are you beginning to get sales for the plants? Are you getting orders from companies that want this?

A: I am getting proposals for orders, but I am not accepting orders because before that I want to setup the plant that we will setup in Athens in October and that we are manufacturing right now while we are speaking. We are manufacturing it in Florida United States and after that we will accept orders. As I say we are going step by step basing our activity exclusively on the base of research and the contract we have with the Greeks are very clear. First test of the plant and then payment. Should the plant does not work properly I just get it back and all the money involve will have been only my money.

G: Lets hope you get your money back. It sounds like you have risked a lot of money to do this. How much as it cost if I can ask?

A. It has been a matter of millions and I can tell you very sincerely I have put in all the money I had.

G: So you must believe in this project Andrea

A. yes, I have sold you know my friends who knows me knows perfectly know that I have sold all of my former business which was a company that made bio production power plants. I have sold everything to finance this.

G: Lets hope it works and comes back to you many many ways.

A: I hope that it will be useful for mankind. Because you know I am doing this because I think it is something it is worth spending a life for.

S: Now Rossi aren't you licensing the technology at least provisionally right now?

A: At the moment the only license that we gave is to Greece and Balkans we will start the licensing policy after the start up of the plant which means after the end of October.

G: so it is coming along you are meeting your goal are you excited about this?

A: Yes, because basically my life is on the stakes.

G: I understand. How old are you? Can I ask?

A: Yes. Of course. I am 60.

G: That's still young isn't it?

A: Absolutely. I want to tell you this. One of the men which works in one of the most delicate phases of our manufacturing which is the production of powders and he works with very sophisticated apparatus we have built to prepare the powders. He is you can't believe it he is 96 years old. I think he is the best man in the world to do the job. He is 96 years old. I am very glad of it because it means I still have 36 years to work well.

G: Good for you. How is my Italian here. Grazi Tonto.

A: Perfect. Much better than my English.

G: Your English is pretty good yourself. Andrea thank you keep in touch with us.

A: thank you very much and thank you very much

[kps]

Show me the helium -- I want a giant airship that I can safely land my jet-pack on.

[What is X?]

where's the proof that fusion is occurring? Just looks like a fuel cell to me. I can do the same thing you know - get some hydrogen and put a spark in it.

[Gigi]

How to Prove that the Rossi/Focardi eCAT LENR is Real - Alan Fletcher - Version 3.10, April 1, 2011

http://lenr.qumbu.com/fake_rossi_ecat_v310.php

[Gigi]

Why does the April 1 date concern me here?

How to Make and Detect a FAKE Rossi/Focardi eCAT LENR - Alan Fletcher - Version 2, March 4, 2011

http://lenr.qumbu.com/fake_rossi_ecat_v2.php

How to Make and Detect a FAKE Rossi/Focardi eCAT LENR - Alan Fletcher - Version 3, March 9, 2011

http://lenr.qumbu.com/fake_rossi_ecat_v3.php

How to Prove that the Rossi/Focardi eCAT LENR is Real - Alan Fletcher - Version 3.09, March 30, 2011

http://lenr.qumbu.com/fake_rossi_ecat_v309.php

is not a fish in April, is the latest update.

-

How to Prove that the Rossi/Focardi eCAT LENR is Real - Alan Fletcher - Version 3.11, April 1, 2011

http://lenr.qumbu.com/fake_rossi_ecat_v311.php

[Fwiffo]

It's been almost 800 years, it's about time they took me seriously!!!!!!11

[The Solutor]

This is an experiment that can't be wrong.

If just works as expected,there is no problem, it works.

If it is just vaporware, well, it works also, because vapor can be used to move a turbine...:biggrin:

[The Solutor]

Gigi seems to think it's real.  He's only posting in this thread.

I'm also waiting october to see what happens.

I'm usually skeptical, but in this case I'm sure that something is going on.

I already discussed a lot about this matter and surely, if it's not fusion, there is something that is still unknown.

Also the original cold fusion is surely something more than a fake.

I remember well when Pons and Fleishmann announced it, and remember well that every laboratory from Italy to Cina to US to Japan announced a successful reproduction of the experiment, or an improvement over it. Collective hallucination ?

[What is X?]

I'm also waiting october to see what happens.

I'm usually skeptical, but in this case I'm sure that something is going on.

I already discussed a lot about this matter and surely, if it's not fusion, there is something that is still unknown.

Also the original cold fusion is surely something more than a fake.

I remember well when Pons and Fleishmann announced it, and remember well that every laboratory from Italy to Cina to US to Japan announced a successful reproduction of the experiment, or an improvement over it. Collective hallucination ?

Actually i'm pretty sure the point was that no one else could replicate it, and therefore it did not follow the scientific method.

[Gigi]

Swedish physicists on the E-cat: “It’s a nuclear reaction” - April 6, 2011

http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3144827.ece

In a detailed report, two Swedish physicists exclude chemical reactions as the energy source in the Italian ‘energy catalyzer’. The two physicists recently supervised a new test of the device in Bologna, Italy.

“In some way a new kind of physics is taking place. It’s enigmatic, but probably no new laws of nature are involved. We believe it is possible to explain the process with known laws of nature,” said Hanno Essén, associate professor of theoretical physics and a lecturer at the Swedish Royal Institute of Technology and chairman of the Swedish Skeptics Society.

Essén and Professor Emeritus at Uppsala University Sven Kullander, also chairman of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences’ Energy Committee, both participated on 29 March as observers at a new trial in Bologna of the so-called ‘energy catalyzer’, which could be based on cold fusion, or LENR, Low Energy Nuclear Reaction...

The new trial was conducted in much the same way as the trial in January, and lasted for nearly six hours. According to observations by Kullander and Essén, a total energy of about 25 kWh was generated.

http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3144960.ece/BINARY/Download+the+report+by+Kullander+and+Ess%C3%A9n+%28pdf%29.

“Any chemical process should be ruled out for producing 25 kWh from whatever is in a 50 cubic centimeter container. The only alternative explanation is that there is some kind of a nuclear process that gives rise to the measured energy production.”

The power output was estimated to about 4.4 kW. It’s barely half the power compared with the two previous documented experiments in January and February 2011, because the trial was made with a new and smaller version of the energy catalyzer.

The new trial was the first officially documented with the smaller version which, according to Rossi, is more stable.

“With the smaller version we avoid the power peaks that occurred at ignition and switching off,” Andrea Rossi told Ny Teknik.

He also stated that the smaller version will be used for the planned installation of about one megawatt for the pilot customer Defkalion Green Technologies in Greece.

According to Rossi, a total of 300 reactors connected in series and parallel, will be used in the installation. Originally 100 reactors of the version that delivered 10 kW of power during earlier trials, were supposedly planned for the one-megawatt installation. Rossi still expects the inauguration to take place in October 2011.

At the trial in Bologna, Kullander and Essén could investigate the energy catalyzer with the surrounding insulation and the lead shielding stripped away. The exterior design is described in their report.

The reactor itself, which is loaded with the nickel powder and secret catalysts pressurized with hydrogen, has an estimated volume of 50 cubic centimeters (3.2 cubic inches). The reactor is made of stainless steel.

A copper tube surrounds the steel reactor. The water to be heated flows between the steel and the copper. In operation, the construction is also surrounded by insulation and a lead shielding with a thickness of approximately two centimeters (0.8 inches).

Before starting, Kullander and Essén calibrated the water flow and estimated it at 6.5 kg per hour. The power required to heat the flowing water from 18 degrees and convert it completely into steam was calculated to 4.7 kW.

They also filled the reactor with hydrogen at a pressure of about 25 bars. The reactor was according to Rossi loaded with 50 grams of nickel powder.

As in previous trials the process was ‘ignited’ with an electrical resistance. Input power was 330 watts, of which about 30 watts were required to operate the electronics.

A phenomenon that Kullander and Essén noted was that the curve for the water temperature at the output showed a steady increase up to about 60 degrees centigrade, after which the increase escalated.

“The curve then became steeper, it clearly had a new derivative. At the same time there was no increase in power consumption, it rather decreased when it got warmer,” said Essén.

In their report they note that it took nine minutes to go from 20 to 60 degrees centigrade, which corresponds to the heating from the input electrical power. Going from 60 to 97.5 degrees centigrade, by contrast, just took four minutes.

Throughout the experiment Kullander and Essén had the opportunity to examine the equipment.

“We checked everything that could be checked, and we could walk around freely and have a look at most of the equipment,” said Essén.

“We looked specifically into the big control unit (with electronics) and it contains mostly rectifiers and passive components – there was nothing of interest in it,” said Kullander, which is in line of what Dr. Levi previously noted.

Kullander and Essén had their first contact with Rossi in mid February, at the time of a discussion of the physics in the energy catalyzer, organized by Ny Teknik. After getting answers from Rossi to several questions, they expressed a cautiously optimistic opinion about the technology.

At a first meeting with Rossi at the end of February they were given access to a sample of the pure nickel powder, intended for use in the energy catalyzer, and another sample of nickel powder which, according to Rossi, had been used in the reactor for 2.5 months.

Their analyses showed that the pure powder consists of essentially pure nickel, while the used powder contains several other substances, mainly 10 percent copper and 11 percent iron.

“Provided that copper is not one of the additives used as catalyst, the copper isotopes 63 and 65 can only have been formed during the process. Their presence is therefore a proof that nuclear reactions took place in the process,” Kullander said (see further details below).

The meeting in February in turn led to their involvement in the new trial in Bologna.

“My belief that there is an energy development far beyond what one would expect has been strengthened significantly as I have had the opportunity to see the process for myself and perform measurements,” said Kullander.

“Everything that we’ve found so far fits together. There is nothing that seems to be strange. All people seem to be honest and competent,” Essén added.

In line of what they expressed during the discussion in February, they believe that the physics of the energy catalyzer may possibly be explained by a combination of atomic, molecular, nuclear and plasma physics. At the same time they are skeptical of detailed and hypothetical theories suggested at this stage, and stressed instead the need for more data.

They describe that Focardi and Levi have the same approach, and support their viewpoint.

Focardi, who has been working with Rossi during the development of the energy catalyzer, is Emeritus Professor at the University of Bologna, while Levi will now be responsible for researching the energy catalyzer at the Physics Department of Bologna University, commissioned by Rossi, who pays 500,000 Euro according to an agreement between his company Leonardo Corporation and the university.

Kullander and Essén are not involved in this project.

During their visit to Bologna they met with the Rector of the Bologna University, Professor Ivano Dionigi, and had a discussion with him, Rossi, Focardi, Levi and Bianchini on the project. According to Kullander and Levi, future collaborative research is possible.

ripster ...yes, I begin to believe it.

[RiGS]

Thanks for the update!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer

[Fwiffo]

There's still no working principle here. It's claimed that the devices fuses hydrogen and nickel to produce copper, but that process is ruled out because the device does not appear to emit the gamma radiation that would be produced by that reaction.

And the patent application, like most of those for these sorts of woo-woo devices, doesn't actually describe how the device works, or how to make one. This is a problem because that's what a patent is - a description of an invention and how it works. For a patent to be valid, it should be sufficiently detailed for someone versed in the appropriate subjects to build and test the device or process.

@RiGS - is Gigi your sockpuppet?

In related news, would anyone be interested in purchasing my amazing mechnical Turk?

[RiGS]

@RiGS - is Gigi your sockpuppet?

That would be lame!