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« Reply #100 on: Thu, 05 May 2011, 16:16:22 »
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« Reply #101 on: Thu, 05 May 2011, 17:30:42 »
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There are radicals in all religions, denying this fact is to be naive.
Right now, though, the radical Christians who go around killing people are only found in a few places... like Uganda. Although they seem to have had encouragement from the U.S.. Of course, there's that Phelps guy, and Mike Huckabee mused about repealing the First Amendment.

Buddhists are generally pacifists, but the terrorist Hindu Tamil Tigers came into existence after brutal attacks by the Buddhist Sinhalese majority government on
Tamil civilians some years ago.

And in India, communal violence against Christians in Orissa, and another Hindu fanatic organizing the demolition of an historic mosque built in the 13th Century were recent events.
 
So you are quite right, there are fanatics in all religions. Also, some Muslim denominations - Ahmadiyya Islam, for example - are very definitely tolerant and non-violent.

But it at least appears that some of the basic ideas that lead to terrorism - that it's right and just for Muslims to lord it over non-Muslims, and any resistance to that is legitimately fought as if it were oppression of Muslims - are part of the Sunni and Shi'ite mainstream. And, so, the way the Islamic world currently works, mob violence against non-Muslim minorities often happens and goes unpunished - and those who support the fanatical version of Islam silence their critics, instead of being themselves shouted down as kooks, having no chance to appeal to anyone but a very few really crazy individuals.

It doesn't look as though fanaticism is exactly marginalized out there.

And that's bad news for us - and if we are forced, for the sake of our own safety, to do something about it, it is going to be bad news for a lot of ordinary innocent people who just happened to be living in the wrong part of the world. Wars usually are.

There are winds of change blowing through the Islamic world at the moment, but will they have anything to do with the need to take seriously putting the brakes on fanaticism? There is reason for concern that things in that area will get worse, not better.

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« Reply #102 on: Thu, 05 May 2011, 17:48:22 »
Religion is usually just a catalyzer for the violence, the fuel is economy.

Gold, diamonds, petrol, food and water.

The fact is that we, westerners, are living consuming the 80% of the resources of the planet and the rest of the people are living with the rest.

Religion or not this is a major problem, and the condition of the poorer populations is the problem.

Religions are just the spark to made this discomfort evident.

We have a BIG problem, and the problem is not one or another kind of religion, is the unevenness of the conditions trough the different nations.

Until this will not solved (or at least understood) catching a single "terrorist" will solve nothing.
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« Reply #103 on: Thu, 05 May 2011, 18:22:20 »
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Religion is usually just a catalyzer for the violence, the fuel is economy.

Gold, diamonds, petrol, food and water.

The fact is that we, westerners, are living consuming the 80% of the resources of the planet and the rest of the people are living with the rest.

Religion or not this is a major problem, and the condition of the poorer populations is the problem.

Religions are just the spark to made this discomfort evident.

We have a BIG problem, and the problem is not one or another kind of religion, is the unevenness of the conditions trough the different nations.

Until this will not solved (or at least understood) catching a single "terrorist" will solve nothing.

True, history is also one of the reasons. Israel is one example...

War and terrorism won't end unless same happens what happened in Europe, mainly the fact how war became unprofitable... EU could be one of the greatest peace organisations.

I still belive that USA's own actions are the reason for terrorism...
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« Reply #104 on: Thu, 05 May 2011, 20:13:25 »
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I still belive that USA's own actions are the reason for terrorism...

We wore a short skirt, so it's ok to rape us?
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« Reply #105 on: Thu, 05 May 2011, 20:24:51 »
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We wore a short skirt, so it's ok to rape us?

Haven't USA done great deal of raping, with this analogy?
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« Reply #106 on: Thu, 05 May 2011, 20:31:47 »
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We wore a short skirt, so it's ok to rape us?

 
Sometimes wearing a shirt skirt in the wrong place is not a good idea, as is not a good idea leave your smartphone on the car seat after parking it, and so on.

No matter if rape or theft are ok or not.

Actions should be always planned depending on the situation.

Bombing some random states just because the need of a revenge is surely a not effective decision. Bombing them because petroleum is not any better
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« Reply #107 on: Thu, 05 May 2011, 21:13:31 »
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Hahaha.

Foreigners.

 
after 11/9 all the world's love was directed in a single direction: New York, the US.

You managed to destroy this sentiment in less than three months, don't blame other than your government for this.
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« Reply #108 on: Thu, 05 May 2011, 22:41:53 »
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Haven't USA done great deal of raping, with this analogy?

 
Nice dodge. Answer the Question.
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« Reply #109 on: Thu, 05 May 2011, 23:16:07 »
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We wore a short skirt, so it's ok to rape us?

 
No, but we sure did our share of raping, as well as funding other rapists around the world.
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« Reply #110 on: Fri, 06 May 2011, 03:29:53 »
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I still belive that USA's own actions are the reason for terrorism...

Yet another abysmally stupid Ekaros quote.

Do you think that ANY action taken by the US would satisfy Islamic terrorists?  What *concrete* actions could be taken to help the terrorists decide that the US is a pretty groovy place?  

Bomb Israel?  Round up the Jews and poison gas them all?  Convert the entire world to Islam at the barrel of a gun?  Replace the Statue of Liberty with a statue of Ahmadinejad?  

Please, enlighten us on the proper path.
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« Reply #111 on: Fri, 06 May 2011, 05:59:32 »
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Yet another abysmally stupid Ekaros quote.

Do you think that ANY action taken by the US would satisfy Islamic terrorists?  What *concrete* actions could be taken to help the terrorists decide that the US is a pretty groovy place?  

Bomb Israel?  Round up the Jews and poison gas them all?  Convert the entire world to Islam at the barrel of a gun?  Replace the Statue of Liberty with a statue of Ahmadinejad?  

Please, enlighten us on the proper path.

Not much anymore... USA shouldn't have done some stuff in first place... Circle of revenge, works both ways...
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« Reply #112 on: Fri, 06 May 2011, 06:29:04 »
Ayman al-Zawihiri blew up the Egyptian embassy in Islamabad just after he formed al-Qaida with Bin-Laden. Bin-Laden thought that the attack was a tactical mistake but he was not at all against killing apostates (wich he thought Egypt as a state was).
I really can't  see the US connection here.
And if you look at the wiki list of al-Qaida attacks there seems to be a bias towards american intrests but not that strong.
After all their their goal is the creation of an international caliphate not to end american "aggression". What really triggered their attacks against USA was the opposite of aggression, i.e. the withdrawel from Somalia.
That they saw as a sign of weakness that made attacks meaningful.
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« Reply #113 on: Fri, 06 May 2011, 08:23:19 »
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Not much anymore... USA shouldn't have done some stuff in first place... Circle of revenge, works both ways...

I'm so glad you admitted that, Ekaros.  So, nothing can be done to make friends?  Good.  Now, follow that logic through to our current situation. Our options are: do nothing or kill them first. Hmm. Tough call.


Once you face the "us or them" mentality of the terrorists, that leaves the door wide open to shoot holes through the forehead of every last one of them without guilt or remorse, and gives apologists like yourself no room to argue or undermine US actions against Militant Islam.
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« Reply #114 on: Fri, 06 May 2011, 08:31:34 »
It's times like this that I wish Finland was still part of Russia. Well, I guess it is in spirit.

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« Reply #115 on: Fri, 06 May 2011, 09:04:54 »
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I hope Finnish AntiTerrorist efforts are better than their Wikis.


Looks like they are.

Or you have a secret list of terrorist acts in Finland ?
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« Reply #116 on: Fri, 06 May 2011, 09:10:58 »
No one cares about us, so we are kinda safe...

Be fair and don't mess with them for 30-50 years, or get those countries to same level where all the youngsters are too fat to care about ;D
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« Reply #117 on: Fri, 06 May 2011, 15:22:28 »
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I still belive that USA's own actions are the reason for terrorism...
What did the Byzantine Empire ever do to Umar ibn al-Khattab?

We are willing not to persecute and wage war against Islam for things that happened in 636 A.D.. However, if there are those in the Islamic world who still, today, think that aggression against non-Muslims is permissible, that is not our fault.

In 1947, because Jews who legally and peacefully settled in the British Mandate of Palestine were being subjected to acts of violence - acts of violence which arose suddenly and which were not provoked by prior Jewish acts of violence, the United Nations partitioned Palestine into two parts, one of which contained most of the Arabs, the other of which contained almost all the Jews (and, admittedly, a limited number of Arabs as well).

As soon as British forces pulled out of Palestine, there were no discussions or negotiations. The surrounding Arab nations descended on Israel with a view to drive it into the sea.

It's very simple, really. If Jews, Coptic Christians, or any other non-Muslims basically refuse to be the targets of occasional mob violence from Muslims, or to have their daughters occasionally raped by men professing to be Muslims without legal recourse, and so on, and decide that enough is enough, and they will govern themselves from now on and not be subject to Muslim rule - oh, this is just so terrible. It's against the law of God!

And so it is the duty of Muslims to descend on these infidels and slaughter them until they surrender.

The action of the United States was, in the case of Israel, to get in the way of that. That wasn't a bad action. It was a good action. Of late, yes, it might be questioned whether Israel could somehow find a way to achieve its security needs, and protect itself against rocket attacks and suicide bombers, with less impact on ordinary Palestinians not involved in terror.

But the people who support terrorism expect the whole world to be either part of Islam, or subject to Islam. They do not respect non-Muslims as having equal rights, they do not accept that non-Muslims who do not commit aggression against Islam are entitled not to be victims of aggression from Islam. No: the Islamic world gets to do what it likes, and any resistance from the non-Muslim world is condemned just as much as aggression from the non-Muslim world.

That mentality does not lead to violence because we did something bad to the Islamic world. That mentality leads to violence because the people with that mentality want the Islamic world to do bad things to us - and they feel it has the perfect right to do them whenever it feels like it.

The United States should be taking more actions. After 9/11, we shouldn't tolerate any more nonsense.

Coptic Christians are attacked by a mob in Egypt? Right, Israel now has a new friendly neighbor - a sovereign Coptic Christian nation, with the ability to defend itself fully against any bad behavior by the Muslims in the rest of Egypt.

Eventually, perhaps they'll get the message. Live in peace with others, and you get peace. Attack others, and you will be crushed - God will not save you from the consequences of pushing other people around just because they aren't Muslims like you.

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« Reply #118 on: Fri, 06 May 2011, 16:03:41 »
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In 1947, because Jews who legally and peacefully settled in the British Mandate of Palestine were being subjected to acts of violence -


What ?

What you would say if UN will assign US to Spain just because they send Colombo in America before any other ?

What happended in middle west in 1947 is exactly the same.

Someone was deprived by it's own home becouse that home was assigned to their ancient owners.

The Palestinian question its just a shame.

Hitler stealth something to jaws, an they were refunded with another theft.

Great sense of justice. Really
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« Reply #119 on: Fri, 06 May 2011, 20:42:14 »
What was the Arab population of what is now Israel in 1940?  Anyone?  What nation controlled that land?  How many "Palestinian" Arabs were violently driven out of "Palestine" by Allied Troops or Jews?  How many Arabs were slaughtered in this supposed "theft"?

Read the real historical accounts, then come back with an informed opinion instead of 5 minutes of CNN CliffsNotes.
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« Reply #120 on: Fri, 06 May 2011, 21:24:58 »
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What was the Arab population of what is now Israel in 1940?


Jews in palestine were just 80000 in 1922 v.s. 4 millions of arabs, if that percentage of people gives a title to made that territory their state, I think that Irish or Italians can take control of US, right ?

No matter how look at the question that was a theft, a not justifiable theft, and US (most of the western countries) are still paying for this.

If I break the Ripster's car and someone decide that Ripster can take your car as refund how do you call it ? Justice ?

This is exactly what happened in palestine
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« Reply #121 on: Fri, 06 May 2011, 22:03:21 »
I heard this great conspiracy theory about why they won't release photos and why their dumping his body in the ocean. They Navy SEALs basically had fun and drew penises on his face or something. So instead of having everyone in the world know that they were desecrating the body as if he were a passed out college student, they decide to dump his body in the ocean.
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« Reply #122 on: Fri, 06 May 2011, 22:19:52 »
It wasn't more of a conspiracy theory, but a joke that I heard during a smoke break at the office.
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« Reply #123 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 04:33:58 »
In case anyone was wondering why Al Qaeda hates the US

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver
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« Reply #124 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 06:56:19 »
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....Israel in 1940?  Anyone?  What nation controlled that land?  How many "Palestinian" Arabs were violently driven out of "Palestine" by Allied Troops or Jews?  How many Arabs were slaughtered in this supposed "theft"?

Read the real historical accounts,....5 minutes of CNN CliffsNotes.
How can you be so sure it is real ?

It has always been the victor who writes the history books. If the other side had won World War II, the present "Holy Trinity" would probably be Adolf Hitler, Hideki Tojo and Benito Mussolini, they would have been worshipped as gods by their followers, as it wasn't the case, they have been made to be the Monsters in Human history by their conquerors.

Do not believe everything and take it for granted that all is true, deceit and untruths are far more popular/useful than truths. Even now there is a web of distortions and contrariety to Mr President's statements in regard to subject matter of the OP.
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« Reply #125 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 08:41:15 »
BTW who is this Osaba dude? I didn't know Osama and Obama had mated...
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« Reply #126 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 09:17:38 »
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« Reply #128 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 10:03:16 »
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You guys jelly?



Only my balpoint pen is gelly.

Obviously it's an Osama :becky:

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« Reply #129 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 13:13:44 »
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In case anyone was wondering why Al Qaeda hates the US

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver
Like I said. Al-Qaeda hates the US because al-Qaeda is evil, stupid, and bigoted.

"a) You attacked us in Palestine.

(i) Palestine, which has sunk under military occupation for more than 80 years. The British handed over Palestine, with your help and your support, to the Jews, who have occupied it for more than 50 years, years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation. The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and you are the leaders of its criminals."

The British allowed Jews to settle in Palestine during the period of time in which they controlled it, this is true. However, this settlement did not take place through the forcible seizure of land from Palestinians. Settlements were built, but the land on which they were built was bought from its owners. Note that there are many East Indians in Fiji, there are many Tamils in Sri Lanka, who were brought there by the British without the existing people of those countries consenting to the admission of immigrants - and in the case of the East Indians in Uganda, the world agreed that it was Idi Amin who was in the wrong when he expelled them with the threat of massacre.

It was after some radical Muslims stirred up violence against the peaceful Jewish settlers that, in order to block further violence, part of the soil of Palestine was handed to the Jews as an independent state. Britain was reluctant to accept this, but the United Nations made the decision to partition Palestine.

The portion given to the Jews did include areas where some Arabs lived, it is true, but even so, there was no reason to expect that those Arabs would have been oppressed.

The response, in 1948, as soon as the British got out of the way, was an immediate military attack on Israel. Israel successfully defended itself against overwhelming odds against an enemy that sought to wipe it off the map. An enemy that proved - and proves even today, for example, in the case of Coptic Christians in Egypt, that the place for non-Muslims in a Muslim-ruled nation is to be under genuine oppression.

"(i) These governments prevent our people from establishing the Islamic Shariah, using violence and lies to do so."

Under Sharia', professing Muslims are free to abuse non-Muslims without fear of legal recourse - because the word of non-Muslims cannot be considered by a court against that of Muslims. The situation is similar to that of black people in the deep South under segregation.

"(1) The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam."

We will not be converting to Islam under threat of violence. That is aggression. We do not ask the world's Muslims to convert to Christianity, only to respect the rights and equality of non-Muslims.

There is more, although I have picked the best - or worst - parts. We will not even outlaw homosexual acts between consenting adults to please al-Qaeda. Nor will we undermine the industrial might of the United States - which stands between the world and slavery under Russia or China - by abolishing lending at interest. Those, too, were among the demands in the document you cited.

"If you fail to respond to all these conditions, then prepare for fight with the Islamic Nation."

Do you really think that it is fair and just that al-Qaeda should continue to kill peaceful Americans if we do not abolish lending at interest - if we do not accept Islam - as well as ending our support for Israel?

I am sorry, but the Islamic world needs to understand that the abuse and oppression of non-Muslims will come at a cost to it, and the creation of the State of Israel is an example of that cost. They cannot ask to be left alone themselves if they refuse to leave others alone.

Accept that the Islamic world can make mistakes, accept that non-Muslims also have rights and dignity, and we will live alongside the Muslim world in peace. Expect instead that the Islamic world may treat others as it wishes, and yet no one may lay a hand on the Islamic world, then those Muslim countries that mistreat non-Muslims will face consequences - and those who object to this, and use it as an excuse for terror, will be dealt with. As is just.

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« Reply #130 on: Sun, 08 May 2011, 03:20:43 »
First of all; Kudos to Quadibloc for well written and thoughtful posts in this topic.

Second;

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« Reply #131 on: Sun, 08 May 2011, 08:58:00 »
No matter how "well written" a post could be.

It doesn't change the fact, that N millions of Arabs doesn't have a Nation, because two or three countries equipped with the atomic bomb have decided elsewhere.

That's the only form of international right applied here.

You should also explain why an arab organization that want to impose it's form of religion is evil, while US when killed (directly or indirectly) thousands of people in latin america, central america and so on, are not.

If you want respect from someone, Arab people included, you have to start acting as you pretend the others do
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« Reply #132 on: Sun, 08 May 2011, 10:03:04 »
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We have more atomic bombs than anybody else.


Yes, exactly what I'm saying.

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Especially the Italians. After WW2 nobody STILL trusts them to be competent enough to even build a nuclear plant.


As usually you can't be more wrong.

As usual is you have to tanks an Italian (Enrico Fermi) if you have bombs and nuclear plants.

As usual we were smart enough to vote against the nuclear plants back in '86.

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« Reply #133 on: Sun, 08 May 2011, 10:06:03 »
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Jews in palestine were just 80000 in 1922 v.s. 4 millions of arabs, if that percentage of people gives a title to made that territory their state, I think that Irish or Italians can take control of US, right ?

No matter how look at the question that was a theft, a not justifiable theft, and US (most of the western countries) are still paying for this.

If I break the Ripster's car and someone decide that Ripster can take your car as refund how do you call it ? Justice ?

This is exactly what happened in palestine
It certainly is true that many in the Arab world perceive the creation of the State of Israel as unfair for this kind of reason.

But if someone steals your car, do you pick up a gun and go looking for him? Or do you call the police?

Similarly, if the Arab world felt that the creation of Israel in 1947 was unfair, they could have continued diplomatic activity in the UN; they could have argued their case before the American people.

Basically, the world was like this: there were the free countries like the United States, Britain, and France, where the governments represented the people, where people could freely do business and keep what they earned, where individuals had the right to debate politics and elect their governments; and there were the evil enemies of freedom - first, the Nazis and other Axis powers, and then the Communists.

The world's free countries, thus, were the ones in charge of preserving the world against total conquest by the forces of darkness.

When the Arab countries took up arms against Israel in 1948, they were showing they had some other view of the world - they felt themselves free to take up arms against people from Europe on their own initiative. To take the law into their own hands, to hinder and obstruct the United States in the global defense of the world against Communism. In other words, they did not recognize that Israel belonged to the Zone of the Industrialized World (the Zone of Peace) as opposed to the Zone of the Third World (the Zone of Struggle) - in fact, they seemed to have this sort of thing backwards.

As to the justice of the thing, one can point to the Coptic Christians, or Pakistan's blasphemy laws. A minority that is mistreated does have the right to break away from that mistreatment, and without running away from their homes either.

It seems that the problem, fundamentally, though, is that the world is not big enough for the egos of the Islamists and the Americans... and the problem for the Islamic world is that the Americans are stronger. The path to survival for the Islamic world is simple - cut your losses with regard to Israel, don't keep attacking itself and digging yourselves in deeper and deeper, losing more and more territory.

After 9/11, the United States is not, ever, going to admit it was "wrong" or "at fault" in any way whatever, in its dealings with the Islamic world - it may still graciously put some pressure on Israel to treat the Palestinians better, out of its own sense of fairness - and so the terrorist activities of al-Qaeda and others like them will have to come to a complete stop without the United States admitting it was wrong to participate in the creation of the state of Israel and without it ceasing to do what is necessary to ensure that Israel continues to be secure. For anyone in the Islamic world to persist in dreams and delusions that anything else might be the case is to continue on a path that will lead for it to sorrow and destruction.

The events of September 11, 2001 have ensured that Israel isn't going anywhere, just as the events of December 7, 1941 ensured that Europe would be liberated from the Nazi occupation.

It is the strong, not the weak, that get to indulge that natural human emotional desire to proclaim, and make it stick, that nobody gets away with pushing me around.

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It doesn't change the fact, that N millions of Arabs doesn't have a Nation, because two or three countries equipped with the atomic bomb have decided elsewhere.

That's the only form of international right applied here.

You should also explain why an arab organization that want to impose it's form of religion is evil, while US when killed (directly or indirectly) thousands of people in latin america, central america and so on, are not.

If you want respect from someone, Arab people included, you have to start acting as you pretend the others do
The trouble is that the Islamic world started it.

You can even look at today's headlines.

Muslim men kidnap Coptic Christian women and force them to "convert" to Islam - then they escape. So, fanatical Muslims spread a rumor that the women freely converted to Islam, and are being kidnapped by bigoted Coptic Christians - and a mob believes these lies.

This sort of thing has gone on all along in the Islamic world, including with Jews as the victims, including before 1947, before 1922.

It seems, therefore, that the Muslim world does not work on the principle of fairness and reciprocity, but instead that Muslims can do what they like - and it may never have any consequences. If there are consequences, they will get indignant, and treat the consequences of their own abuse of non-Muslims as though they were aggression.

There was violence against Jews before the partition of 1947. That's why the partition took place. Further losses of territory came about because the Arab world didn't cut its losses, but instead resorted to further attacks.
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« Reply #134 on: Sun, 08 May 2011, 10:19:35 »
Man you live in the past! It's strage that you are an advocate of USB.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_(by_state)
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« Reply #135 on: Sun, 08 May 2011, 10:39:12 »
I goto a salonist myself, I mean I went to barbers when I was a kid, then I was like, why do I want men touching my head?

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« Reply #136 on: Sun, 08 May 2011, 11:03:45 »
Maybe I should stick to deskthority as well.
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« Reply #137 on: Sun, 08 May 2011, 11:08:37 »
Remember before Obama got elected? When everyone in Europe and Hollywood thought he was an infallible god?

As a wise princess once said, "rofl".

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« Reply #138 on: Sun, 08 May 2011, 11:50:33 »
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It doesn't change the fact, that N millions of Arabs doesn't have a Nation, because two or three countries equipped with the atomic bomb have decided elsewhere.
Actually, that isn't how it happened.

Because two or three countries equipped with the atomic bomb decided otherwise, 400,000 Arabs would have lived as citizens of Israel, as members of a minority group, instead of in a majority Muslim country. And, yes, that could be considered an injustice, despite the partition coming about because of previous mob violence against Jews.

Because the surrounding Arab countries reacted to this injustice by descending on Israel to drive it into the sea, instead, 700,000 Arabs became refugees - and they and their descendants remain without a country because, unlike the East Indians who were expelled by Idi Amin, unlike the Vietnamese boat people, those refugees weren't accepted as immigrants by the countries of the Arab world,

Because Egypt prepared to launch a devastating attack on Israel in 1967, 4 million Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza live under Israeli occupation instead of having a country of their own.

Yes, one could criticize Britain for being colonialist in allowing Jews to settle in Palestine. But the problems faced by Palestinians today are the result of the attempt of the Arab world to resolve the matter with force.

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Yes, one could criticize Britain for being colonialist in allowing Jews to settle in Palestine. But the problems faced by Palestinians today are the result of the attempt of the Arab world to resolve the matter with force.

 
True, arabs wanted to solve an injustice with force.

Just like you (we, as Europe is also involved) did in Afghanistan.


We simply should accept that using the force to solve something is always wrong, or is always right. Instead happen that the ONU resolutions blatantly ignored by Israel aren't even considered bu the US (because jaws are powerful electors in US), while half resolution is considered enough to attack an arab country, like happened just one month ago with Libya.

So how you can blame Arabs for being (at least) unfriendly with US and western states in general ?

The truth is that we are acting exactly as in middle age, just the main characters are changed, the story is still the same. And the international organizations like ONU are just jokes.
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« Reply #140 on: Sun, 08 May 2011, 13:48:37 »
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This video WILL be offensive to foreigners.

 
After all your choice of an actor who found his own America in Italy, thanks to some Italian movies and an Italian director, and a movie dedicated to a car named after an Italian city, is Italian friendly.:happy:
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What does that have to do with the topic which is taking out Osama?

 
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Actually that big step thing was a misquote. Damn that used to bug me.


Astronauts are often misquoted

The famous phrase "Houston, we have a problem"  pronounced by Lowell in Apollo13 (the movie, I mean) was "Houston, we've had a problem" in the real life.
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« Reply #143 on: Sun, 08 May 2011, 15:06:41 »
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We simply should accept that using the force to solve something is always wrong, or is always right.
If we say it is always wrong, then those who use force to create injustices are left to get away with doing what they want. If we say it is always right, then people are always fighting over everything.

Applying a consistent moral standard to both sides in a conflict does make sense. But the standard that would have to be applied would not be a simplistic one.

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« Reply #144 on: Sun, 08 May 2011, 15:17:46 »
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In America real men go to barbers.

Part of what makes this country great.

 
Well my fiance keeps wanting me to goto her salonist which is the owner of the salon we both goto but i can't just switch salonists it's like some code you can't break same thing with barbers, but really I don't want a guy touching my head, especially when they wash your hair too. I don't even see the point in a barber, to talk to them? I like to get my haircuts in silence, I say hi, she says hi, we small talk for 1min and then i just stay silent and she cuts my hair for 20mins.

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« Reply #145 on: Sun, 08 May 2011, 15:18:48 »
LOL, I even cut my hair myself.
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« Reply #146 on: Sun, 08 May 2011, 15:19:23 »
I agree... I've found that too much smalltalk whilst getting your haircut never has good results.

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« Reply #147 on: Sun, 08 May 2011, 16:21:55 »
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The trouble is that the Islamic world started it.

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There was violence against Jews before the partition of 1947. That's why the partition took place. Further losses of territory came about because the Arab world didn't cut its losses, but instead resorted to further attacks.

You are a bit narrow-minded. There were Zionist terrorist organizations back in the '30s and '40s who did their part in instigating a violent opposition.
Zionism is fueled by religion as well as Islamism, and both have fueled terrorism on both sides... just that nowadays, much of that terrorism is not conducted by a radical group, but by the state of Israel.

The biggest problem if we look at things today, is that not only is Palestine under occupation, the people is actually living under oppression from Israel. Cities have been cut in half by walls and the people can not move freely within their own land. What land they have on the West Bank is gradually taken away from them by new Jewish settlements. The people on the Gaza strip is prevented from creating prosperity by not being able to trade. Israel has often answered aggression with ten times the force, and committed countless war-crimes ... and that is just a few of the things that are happening, and most of the Western world is just not seeing it.
Oppression and old violence feeds new violence. What happened two generations ago is taking a back seat to what is happening today.
If the world is going to see Palestinian violence against Israel stopped, then Israel will have to stop oppressing the people they occupy, or Palestine will have to be rid of Palestinians. Unfortunately, my feeling is that Israel's plan is the latter ...
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« Reply #148 on: Sun, 08 May 2011, 17:38:48 »
Speaking of Astronauts and idiots who believe in conspiracy theories, here's an oldie.

the fat guy is a like a bad version of Michael Moore.
if you dont' want to google here's how it ended.
Most astronauts have refused to grant him interviews. The most infamous incident involved Apollo 11 crew member Buzz Aldrin, the second man to walk on the moon. According to Aldrin, he was lured to a Beverly Hills hotel under the pretext of an interview on space for a Japanese children's television show. When he arrived, Aldrin claims Sibrel was there demanding that he swear on a Bible that he had walked on the moon.

When Aldrin refused, Sibrel called him a "coward", a "liar", and a "thief". An exasperated Aldrin punched Sibrel in the jaw, which was recorded. Sibrel later attempted to use the tape to convince police and prosecutors that he was the victim of an assault. However, it was decided that Aldrin had been provoked, and (based on Sibrel's unfazed, nearly instant reaction to his camera man) did not actually injure Sibrel, and no charges were filed. Many talk show hosts aired the clip, making Sibrel the butt of jokes

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« Reply #149 on: Mon, 09 May 2011, 14:00:52 »
Even Obama himself admitted that US intelligence was only 55/45 confident that Bin Laden was even in the compound raided last Sunday night.
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