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Offline Deverica Wolf

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« on: Wed, 04 May 2011, 16:50:23 »
Yeah yeah, did Google. Yadayadayada...And Overclock.net as well. Gonna give them a break and try here.
http://www.overclock.net/keyboards/1005594-i-am-loss-picking-mechanical-keyboard.html

After talking about it, I've decided to go for the black switches. I want to be as quick and responsive as possible while playing Counter-Strike and other FPSs so I'm going with them. Though I play RTSs as well, I'll make the judgement on rather to buy a blue or brown down the road, should this be insufficient for them.

I've looked at The SteelSeries 6Gv2. It's the best bang for your buck, not the Blackwidow. But the keys seem to fall off for some and I've heard it isn't as well built as...

The Thermaltake Tt eSPORTS MEKA G1. I'm sure there is nothing wrong with this one. I like the thick cord but I'm gonna imagine the Filcos or Leopolds are made better unless someone says otherwise. I also would like blank keys.

I am looking at the Filco Majestouch, Tenkeyless with black switches and the Filco Majestouch-2 NKR 104 ASCII with red switches. Which one should I get? My hands CAN get tired and hurt from some products but I've never had a problem with a keyboard, though, I've never used a black before. I tend to mistype when I write and have to fix things. I want the keys to be fast for FPS. Very fast...

I plan on putting on all blank key as well as these for WASD on there as they go with my case color and have been confirmed to fit.

Anyway, which would be ideal for me? Is the Red board worth the price? Would it be better for RTSs? Thanks. :welcome:

PS: Why doesn't the Leopold Tenkeyless Tactile Touch "Otaku" Keyboard come in a black switch? I've heard their keys last longer than the Filco's keys. :hail:
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Offline Deverica Wolf

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« Reply #1 on: Wed, 04 May 2011, 16:58:09 »
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« Reply #2 on: Wed, 04 May 2011, 17:08:59 »
Given the avatar looks like you are asking if is better a cherry blood or a cherry death...:happy:
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Offline Gfresh404

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« Reply #3 on: Wed, 04 May 2011, 17:31:14 »
When I get my Filco Red in a couple of days I'll let you know :)

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« Reply #4 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 01:52:08 »
Good question on the blacks or reds for FPS.  I've been lurking for some time on this site, and based on the opinions I've read it comes down to the same two switches for me as well. It stinks because none of the local computer stores carry any black switch keyboards in stock, and I'd really like to try before I buy with minimal effort and money spent.  I did happen to scavenge an old RT-101 (any help identifying the switch type is appreciated) from my parent's basement to use as comparison. It's kinda fun, but enormous! Very clicky and I think close to the actuation force of the blacks.
All in all, I really like the Deck Legend (I'm one of those that games in the dark frequently) Ice, but would like to save wear and tear on my joints in the long run, so reds seem to make sense too. If they made a sculpted Deck Legend with red switches I'd snatch it up right quick, lol. At the same time, I am by no means an elite gamer and any help I can get against the big dogs by having black switches to reduce accidental presses would be good too.

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« Reply #5 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 01:53:21 »
if you aren't an elite gamer, I would get reds. Blacks are for hardcore pros
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« Reply #6 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 02:39:21 »
I've never tried Reds so I can't attest to them. From what I've read, reds will probably give you much faster action and a snappier feel (the blacks feel like they're pushing up against you the deeper you press) but I've heard some people say they could never get used to the lightness of em and would often accidentally trigger a key they didn't intend to. If it means anything, most of the time I've seen these comments, it's from people who came from using a Black board so they just might be super used to the heavy keystroke.

It might depend on your playing style too. Blacks have been great for me in FPS games because it allows me to "ride" the actuation points of A and D while holding down W meaning most times either A or D (or sometimes both) are constantly being held a quarter of the way down. I like having that pushback against me so know exactly when I am and am not pressing a key because the resistance is heavy and consistent. I also feel like I can instantly change directions this way since they're so close to the activation point. I think a red board might be for someone who keeps their fingers off A & D or just barely resting on them. Trying to "ride" the board like with a black I think would be a little harder and might lead to some mis-strokes. On the otherhand, the lighter keystroke means they can go from 0 to activation quickly so it probably cancels out. It's probably the case one isn't "better" than the other, they're just suited for different type of gamers.

As for typing, the blacks are definitely an acquired taste. I think very few people instantly fall in love with typing on blacks but it's kinda funny, they grow on you eventually, or at least it did for me, and I enjoy typing on em. As much as on my blues? No, but it's a uniquely fun experience in it of itself. Some people swear by typing on reds but  I can't really comment on that.
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« Reply #7 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 04:46:28 »
I've read that Browns are best for RTS games (Starcraft 2) and Blacks are best for FPS games (Counter-strike, etc).
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« Reply #8 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 07:49:06 »
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I've read that Browns are best for RTS games (Starcraft 2) and Blacks are best for FPS games (Counter-strike, etc).

 
I put in loads of time on CS with blacks, but when I switched to browns it was a breath of fresh air. Been using browns for a year now and love them on FPS games. Would never dream of going back to blacks.

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« Reply #9 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 08:56:29 »
There's no such thing as a best switch type for certain games (or games in general). I've used all the keyboards in my sig with FPS, RTS, RPG and MMOs with no problems at all. There are only two things to be concerned about:

1) Blues on games like DDR could become a major hindrance, since you must fully depress the key and with the speed you have to be hitting keys this can very quickly become an aggravation. They CAN be annoying on an FPS if you you are used to "riding" the keys activation point, but this is far less common than is thought.
2) If heavier keys fatigue/bother you. Cherry MX black MODIFIER keys (specifically shift as I used it a lot for gaming) in my experience were incredibly uncomfortable to hold down for long periods of time. The rest of the keyboard was fine. Reds are far more pleasant in this respect, but still offer resistance/push back force towards the fingertips that I like to describe as "bounciness/springiness". Browns DO feel lighter by comparison when bottoming out because they lack this, and as a gamer you'll be bottoming out whether you like it or not.

You're going to end up using what you like most in the end, and that's what you are going to perform best with.
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« Reply #10 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 09:44:00 »
I agree to what others has said.
I currently own both Blue and Red, and they are both fine for gaming.
Blue actually feels great for me on FPS RTS RPG. I currently use Red, and it feels great when I play SC2 and FPS. But it feels a bit light to me. I actually love Red but since there's no really middle point, you cannot really feel whether you really typed or not. It's very like clouding indeed. I also do make some mistakes when I use this keyboard with SC2. But nothing very serious.
But the good part is that since it only needs 45g of force when Blue / brown need 55g, your hands will almost not get tired.
That's why I keep using this keyboard. My fingers just fatigue fast when I play with Blue and membrane. With red, I can play 9 hours straight and still going.
It feels great and all.
I never tried Brown but many progamers use Brown also. Most of the Korean progamers use brown, then blue, then red.
Brown and Red will be good choice.

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« Reply #11 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 09:49:13 »
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I can play 9 hours straight and still going.

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« Reply #12 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 13:20:41 »
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I agree to what others has said.
Blue / brown need 55g.
Brown is 45g, the same as Red. Blue is 50g.
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« Reply #13 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 13:26:58 »
[video=youtube;cTj7dczJeFo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTj7dczJeFo[/video]

Apparently blues are pretty good for RTS games as well. From a lot of the videos I've seen, the best Koreans don't use anything fancy. This video shows a Filco with blue switches, and also serve as a good typing computer. This is perfect for me since I play SC2 and type constantly at work.
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« Reply #14 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 13:27:39 »
if you decide on reds, you should spend a little more and get a topre.

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« Reply #15 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 15:56:24 »
Honestly, if you really want to find out what the "best" is, you have to try them all - or at least a couple. It truly is all preference - especially when it comes to gaming. I really loved the MX Blues for typing, but after a while the noise really bothered me, so I got rid of it. Then I tried the browns and they were okay. I just felt like they weren't particularly good at any one task, just decent at both. Then I landed on the Reds and at first - I didn't see what all the hype was about. But now I do! I love em. SCII on them is amazing - so buttery smooth and quiet too. So of course I am going to recommend the reds, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you'll love em as much as I do.

Das lets you try their keyboards for 30 days and if you don't like em you can send em back - all you have to pay is the return shipping. They currently have MX Browns and MX Blues. That would be a good starting point. Again, it's all preference. I don't understand how people like gaming on Blues - but to each their own. So try out a bunch of different ones if you can.

@ Ripster - I think you need to make a Sticky about how it's all preference - there are too many of these types of threads everyday lol - not that I don't like discussing it - just feel like it might be helpful.

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« Reply #16 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 16:21:54 »
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[video=youtube;cTj7dczJeFo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTj7dczJeFo[/video]

Apparently blues are pretty good for RTS games as well. From a lot of the videos I've seen, the best Koreans don't use anything fancy. This video shows a Filco with blue switches, and also serve as a good typing computer. This is perfect for me since I play SC2 and type constantly at work.


Aren't those mx browns because of the blue LEDs, not mx blues?
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« Reply #17 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 16:33:21 »
That guy is pretty slow. I'm sure he can never beat my insane multitask record.
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« Reply #18 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 21:37:00 »
Quote from: liist;343029
[video=youtube;cTj7dczJeFo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTj7dczJeFo[/video]

Apparently blues are pretty good for RTS games as well. From a lot of the videos I've seen, the best Koreans don't use anything fancy. This video shows a Filco with blue switches, and also serve as a good typing computer. This is perfect for me since I play SC2 and type constantly at work.

 
I didn't like the blues for SCII - double tapping felt weird. The actuation point on the blues is below the reset point - this is what makes them so good for typing - but not preferred for gaming imo.

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« Reply #19 on: Sun, 08 May 2011, 00:20:54 »
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That guy is pretty slow. I'm sure he can never beat my insane multitask record.

Hmm, I'd wager that Fruitdealer could do just as well as you if not better. ;)
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« Reply #20 on: Mon, 09 May 2011, 00:56:17 »
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Honestly, if you really want to find out what the "best" is, you have to try them all - or at least a couple. It truly is all preference - especially when it comes to gaming. I really loved the MX Blues for typing, but after a while the noise really bothered me, so I got rid of it. Then I tried the browns and they were okay. I just felt like they weren't particularly good at any one task, just decent at both. Then I landed on the Reds and at first - I didn't see what all the hype was about. But now I do! I love em. SCII on them is amazing - so buttery smooth and quiet too. So of course I am going to recommend the reds, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you'll love em as much as I do.

Das lets you try their keyboards for 30 days and if you don't like em you can send em back - all you have to pay is the return shipping. They currently have MX Browns and MX Blues. That would be a good starting point. Again, it's all preference. I don't understand how people like gaming on Blues - but to each their own. So try out a bunch of different ones if you can.

@ Ripster - I think you need to make a Sticky about how it's all preference - there are too many of these types of threads everyday lol - not that I don't like discussing it - just feel like it might be helpful.

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« Reply #21 on: Mon, 09 May 2011, 01:16:53 »
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Brown is 45g, the same as Red. Blue is 50g.

At first I was leaning towards blacks, then got caught up in the Red frenzy (not sure if I can justify $179.00 for a keyboard, even if it is a Filco), now I am strongly considering a backlit keyboard with browns since they have the mostly the same force. Figure they seem to offer the best of both - low actuation force, plus just a little more resistance at the peak (if I understand the mechanics correctly being a noob) to theoretically cut down on accidental presses. I think Ripster mentioned he couldn't really tell the difference between the reds and browns in the heat of battle. Also another poster mentioned riding the actuation point on linear switches is do-able, but perhaps a little tactile feedback could be useful when the hands start to fatigue.
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« Reply #22 on: Mon, 09 May 2011, 06:20:55 »
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Also another poster mentioned riding the actuation point on linear switches is do-able, but perhaps a little tactile feedback could be useful when the hands start to fatigue.


That poster couldn't be more wrong.
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« Reply #23 on: Mon, 09 May 2011, 06:30:37 »
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That guy is pretty slow. I'm sure he can never beat my insane multitask record.
He is THE fruit dealer... -_-
He used use Brown NKey (korean brand) mechanical keyboard, then he chagne to Filco Brown as we are watching right now,

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« Reply #24 on: Mon, 09 May 2011, 06:33:36 »
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Apparently blues are pretty good for RTS games as well. From a lot of the videos I've seen, the best Koreans don't use anything fancy. This video shows a Filco with blue switches, and also serve as a good typing computer. This is perfect for me since I play SC2 and type constantly at work.

woops sorry that is brown switches. Fruit dealer's ultimate weapon of all :)
U can just distinguish which switch it is by the LED light, which shows it's blue LED right now meaning brown.
Moreover many other Korean SC2 progamers use Brown. I saw SlayersBoxer use Blue switches at home for practicing.
Minor SC2 progamers use tenkeyless Leopold FC200R.
Most of the muse browns, blue, then Red. Red is still most unpopular in Korea. But has many Red lovers though!

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« Reply #25 on: Mon, 09 May 2011, 06:35:54 »
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Brown is 45g, the same as Red. Blue is 50g.


oh really? my bad then.
The amazon descriptions said Blue 55g, Brown 55g, 0.1 oz less force than Blue, and Red 45g.
So I thought so.
I will be getting my brown tomorrow, so I will know right away. :)

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« Reply #26 on: Mon, 09 May 2011, 06:38:05 »
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He is THE fruit dealer... -_-


He might be an awesome SC2 player, but I still think he couldn't beat the record above, unless he starts playing seriously for months.
Btw I'm also the world record holder for the game Multitask 1 for a reason. ;)
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« Reply #27 on: Mon, 09 May 2011, 06:42:50 »
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Btw I'm also the world record holder for the game Multitask 1 for a reason. ;)
You are too? haha
My friend used to actually number 1 ladder play on WC3. He is outstanding player in DOTA too.
I was amazed when he beat Moon on WC3.
He is now GM in SC2 :) I envy him.

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« Reply #28 on: Mon, 09 May 2011, 06:49:56 »
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You are too? haha
My friend used to actually number 1 ladder play on WC3. He is outstanding player in DOTA too.
I was amazed when he beat Moon on WC3.
He is now GM in SC2 :) I envy him.


Yep.

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I used to play WC3 back in the day then I switched to online poker. I don't play SC2.
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« Reply #29 on: Mon, 09 May 2011, 07:04:02 »
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I used to play WC3 back in the day then I switched to online poker. I don't play SC2
online poker haha
I used to play online poker almost hardcore 5 years ago.
Now I just play SC2 and go to real casino once 2 weeks at least.
You are chinese right? I have some chinese friends and they play lots of WC3 and Diablo.
Try SC2 when you can
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« Reply #30 on: Mon, 09 May 2011, 07:17:00 »
Nope. I'm Hungarian-Russian.

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I'm just arrogant like Pai Mei from the movie Kill Bill: Vol. 2.
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« Reply #31 on: Mon, 09 May 2011, 08:32:56 »
i play dota
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« Reply #32 on: Tue, 10 May 2011, 04:59:02 »
One or both points?

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« Reply #33 on: Tue, 10 May 2011, 05:00:15 »
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That poster couldn't be more wrong.

 
On one or both points?

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« Reply #34 on: Tue, 10 May 2011, 07:35:29 »
On both. Linear switches are truly the best switches for riding the actuation point. The bump usually don't match the actuation point on tactile switches, also that bump in the way makes double tapping a little bit challenging.
Personally I have never missed the actuation point, because of fatigue.
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« Reply #35 on: Tue, 10 May 2011, 12:54:41 »
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Nope. I'm Hungarian-Russian.

[video=youtube;kHbfIPjmZys]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHbfIPjmZys[/video]

I'm just arrogant like Pai Mei from the movie Kill Bill: Vol. 2.

Dammit you just made me want to watch this movie again.

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« Reply #36 on: Sun, 17 July 2011, 01:39:36 »
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@ Ripster - I think you need to make a Sticky about how it's all preference - there are too many of these types of threads everyday lol - not that I don't like discussing it - just feel like it might be helpful.

This is actually one of the best posts I've found on red switches vs black switches. I recently searched Google and found crap. I am sure this thread will help people in the future.

Anyway, this is really old and I never replied...was too busy getting my new rig set-up. I got a Deck Black Switch and I am in love with riding the actuation points on WASD. Great keyboard.

I am looking at the Red Majestouch Full/Tenkeyless when they get more in stock. I don't actually know what I would do with it but it is appealing.

Anyway thanks for the help 2 and a half months late. Hope this helps someone else.

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