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Bud/Honeywell Hall Effect Keypads (~30)
« on: Fri, 13 May 2011, 11:09:34 »
OMG!! NIB Hall Effect Keypads

Yes!, I've come across a shipment of NIB Bud/Honey Hall Effect Keypads, and am prepared to let most of them go to GeekHackers in the need :P.
These keypads were used in the Aerospace industry. And have been sitting around, doing nothing for the last 10-15 years brand new in their boxes.

In their current state, they are excellent collector's items. HOWEVER, not too long ago, I managed to get these Hall Effect Switches working over USB with the Teensy++ 2.0, not to mention that the keypad itself, fully supports NKRO.












This is a very limited shipment, and once they're gone, you probably won't see NIB Hall Effect Keyboards from Honeywell ever again...as they stopped manufacturing keyboards, and keyboard parts in the mid 1990's.


Keycaps

Did I mention that the keycaps are top notch cupped doubleshots?





Switches

Quoting Wikipedia, "A Hall effect sensor is a transducer that varies its output voltage in response to changes in magnetic field. Hall sensors are used for proximity switching, positioning, speed detection, and current sensing applications."
In layman's terms, there is no switch contact and no metal to corrode. Just a magnet and a magnetic field detector. And thus this (MicroSwitch) Hall Effect Sensor has virtually no electrical point of failure (The first point of failure will probably be the spring holding up the keyswitch...).

I even managed to get some of the specification information directly out of Honeywell on the keypads. Unfortunately, this was all they had left in terms of documentation.

Oh, nearly forgot, I have never seen switches more robustly designed than these ones in terms of the thickness of plastic used.





(You can just see the magnet in the above picture)



How Much?
Now, I understand, that not all GeekHackers are of soldering proficiency, and so I'll be offering two different version of the Bud/Honeywell Aerospace Keypads:
  • NIB Bud/Honeywell Keypads - $40 USD
  • Custom order (almost NIB) Bud/Honeywell Keypads with Teensy 2.0 USB controller- ~110 USD (If all 10 of the custom orders are spoken for by the time of shipping, I will discount all orders to $85-90).
Yet, for those with an soldering proficiency, and access to Teensy's, I will be posting the full documentation and source code, for anyone to setup themselves (I just need to clean up what I currently have).
Limit 2 per person.

The custom order, also includes any layout configurations you want (such as hardware layout switching), for no additional charge. I will make the modifications as per your specifications (though I'll factor in the material and time costs into the final price).


Shipping
Shipping is on a case per case basis, and I will ship within another box if desired (the boxes are quite durable, and well packed though). And I will ship anywhere in the world Canadian couriers will ship to.


When will they Ship?
The un-customized keypads, can ship almost immediately. Unfortunately, the customized versions require me to order in Teensy++ 2.0's, and thus may take a month to complete the order (depending on how well my midterms go this summer :P).


Payment Accepted
Paypal is preferred. Though, other forms of payment can be negotiated.
OR
Very cool, and interesting keyboards/keypads/switches

How to Order
Send me a PM, with the following:
  • How many keypads you want (Limit 2 per person)
  • Shipping Address
  • Preferred Payment method (e.g. Paypal)
  • Packaging Preferences (Do you want a second box?)
  • Any further customizations you want
  • Any concerns (if you have any)
And I will get back to you asap.


Act fast, don't let this opportunity to own a functional piece of keyboarding history.


Availability
Basic Version: Available
Custom Version: 4 Left (If this reaches 0, the price charged will be $85-90).
« Last Edit: Tue, 16 August 2011, 00:16:22 by HaaTa »
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« Reply #1 on: Mon, 16 May 2011, 11:26:25 »
You know you want one :D.

If you like MX Blacks, these have a much smoother actuation, as the sliders are more robust and the springs are secured in a better way.
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« Reply #2 on: Mon, 16 May 2011, 16:33:14 »
This is the best Geekhack classified I've ever read.
I trolled Geekhack and all I got was an eponymous SPOS.

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« Reply #3 on: Mon, 16 May 2011, 23:56:43 »
What are the case dimensions?
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« Reply #4 on: Tue, 17 May 2011, 22:19:55 »
Quote from: ricercar;347169
This is the best Geekhack classified I've ever read.

Thank you! Interested? I have one NIB (unopened), in California (San Jose) still, though you'd have to wait until September until I could ship it.

Quote from: ironman31;347357
What are the case dimensions?
14.5 cm x 6 cm x 18.5 cm approximately.
There's lots of extra space inside of the case.



And remember, I accept TRADES for payment as well (we can work out the worth and such, provided I want it :P).
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« Reply #5 on: Wed, 18 May 2011, 01:01:51 »
HaaTa, you know im in!

Put me down for a teensy version :)

Is there a keyboard version coming?
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« Reply #6 on: Wed, 18 May 2011, 01:41:55 »
dag, if it wasn't so much to mod the thing to work on a PC i'd get the thing jus for kicks
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« Reply #7 on: Wed, 18 May 2011, 10:26:59 »
I don't mind out-lining the what it takes for the mod (should be cheaper if you do it your self, my time is extremely limited atm, and thus a bit expensive). I'll also be trying to make it a bit more of a finished product (more components).

At minimum, to do the mod. You'll need:
  • Teensy 2.0 (or ++) /w pins
  • Spare IDE Cable (if you don't want to mangle the one that comes with it)
  • USB Mini-B Cable


Just separate the IDE cable lines, strip them a bit, and solder them (specific ones...) to the Teensy.
An easier method, may be to use the large cable that comes with the original converter (completely useless as it doesn't factor in all of the keys). And have the Teensy outside of the box (or inside, as there is enough room).
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« Reply #8 on: Wed, 18 May 2011, 10:28:48 »
Also, Teensy 2.0's are now available, so the controller version should go down in price a bit. Unfortunately, I haven't secured all of my supplies to build them yet, so I can't quote exact prices yet.

My current plan is to do 10 \w controller versions, unless demand increases. I'll have some time this weekend to order all of the pieces I need.

Updated: Pricing
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« Reply #9 on: Mon, 23 May 2011, 14:30:59 »
Ordering Teensy's, still have 1 more custom version.

Any more future orders of the custom version will be at least $110 (maybe more).
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« Reply #10 on: Mon, 23 May 2011, 21:03:23 »
Nice job!
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« Reply #11 on: Tue, 24 May 2011, 21:20:37 »
Oh, and if anyone has a Fujitsu Peerless. I would be willing to trade...yup you heard me. :P

And the last custom version is accounted for. It'll cost quite a bit more for 1-off ones from here on out.
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« Reply #12 on: Tue, 24 May 2011, 22:59:28 »
Heh, don't have any US nickels on me atm.

Canadian Quarters will have to do (4.4g each). 19 (~83g) of them for the switch to be fully pressed. And about 16 (~70g) to actuate (I don't have my converter hooked up atm, as my only Teensy is doing something else currently, and the rest are in the mail...).
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« Reply #13 on: Fri, 27 May 2011, 09:39:33 »
Ugh, problem all. PJRC is refusing to sell me the Teensy's (they don't like my credit card, among the reasons).

I'm working on an alternative. I'll try to get the shipping fees to all who have ordered just the keypad.
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« Reply #14 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 07:53:35 »
status update? :P
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« Reply #15 on: Mon, 20 June 2011, 10:20:41 »
Sorry, anyone waiting (at least I haven't collected money yet). I should be able to send out the non-controller versions this week (I'll avoid Canada Post...as per the current strike).

The controller versions are going to have to wait, PJRC are being difficult (looking like September when I get back to California, and actually have a lab to use).
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« Reply #16 on: Sat, 25 June 2011, 19:26:47 »
I hereby approve of this product and/or service.

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« Reply #17 on: Thu, 04 August 2011, 13:25:20 »
Still a bunch left...

I'm moving back to California until January soon, so if you want your orders before then, let me know asap (before August 15th), with your address so I can give you the total cost with shipping.
I respond relatively quickly to PMs.

If you've placed an order earlier for the controller version, I'll be getting them out to people in September (I have a list, don't worry) sometime.
And as soon as I finish up those orders, I'll put together a controller/wiring guide.

All of the non-controller ones have been shipped out (except for a recent inquiry by flashstar).
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« Reply #18 on: Fri, 12 August 2011, 00:30:23 »
I've been curious- are the blank keys around the numbers mapped to normal tenkey functions in the hardware? Are they programmable or recognized by your computer? It's hard to tell from the documentation.
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« Reply #19 on: Fri, 12 August 2011, 07:13:59 »
If you're using a teensy, you can program them to do whatever you like :D.
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« Reply #20 on: Fri, 12 August 2011, 07:50:57 »
Oh, and due to ordering problems with the Teensy's (which will be solved come September), my sale price still holds if I can get another 5 custom orders.
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« Reply #21 on: Fri, 12 August 2011, 09:25:57 »
how much for shipping to Singapore?
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« Reply #22 on: Sat, 13 August 2011, 00:29:51 »
No idea... :P

If I don't double box it, probably around $41-50. Probably closer to $55 if I do.
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« Reply #23 on: Mon, 15 August 2011, 00:12:23 »
Just wanted to comment to say what an amazing find. I had read about Hall Effect sensors and their impressive build and never thought I'd ever find someone actually selling them. Unfortunately, I have no need (excuse) to buy one of these, though I think it'd be so cool to have one. Anyway, awesome post.
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« Reply #24 on: Mon, 15 August 2011, 03:40:29 »
Playtrumpet.....welcome to GH. Just a personal note...

You do not ever, EVER need an excuse or reason to buy a keyboard/keypad.
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« Reply #25 on: Mon, 15 August 2011, 13:19:14 »
Quote from: HaaTa;397586
Oh, and due to ordering problems with the Teensy's (which will be solved come September), my sale price still holds if I can get another 5 custom orders.

I'd be down for one at the sale price.  I'll send you a PM and then you can get back to me when you get the orders in.

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« Reply #26 on: Tue, 16 August 2011, 00:19:38 »
Deadline reached for getting NIB ones shipped out before January. Thanks all who wanted their's in January anyways.

There are still 4 modified versions left (at which point I can think about price discounts). You still have time, I'll be ordering the Teensys beginning of September sometime. Payment will be due when I'm ready to ship, so all you have to do is reserve one.
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« Reply #27 on: Fri, 14 October 2011, 14:09:03 »
Sorry, been busy all.

I have the Teensy's, and the parts needed. Just need to solder them up, and do some firmware updates (actually my first order has already been shipped to trievalot :D).

Anyways, its someone's lucky day, the first person to chime in, gets first dibs on a USB Hall Effect keypad (even if you've already ordered and I told you to wait).

The price is $100 per keypad (discount if you don't need a USB Mini-B cable included).


An as an update, I have the pics ready for the USB mod documentation, I just have to do a write-up (already have pinout tables ready as well). Though I want to add a bunch of features to the firmware (like the ability to re-flash it without having to open up the case).
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« Reply #28 on: Fri, 14 October 2011, 17:27:24 »
I am interested in a custom one if you still have one. what would be the price on it? Also would the controller be inside the case? and/or would there be a way to fit this in a smaller case?

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« Reply #29 on: Fri, 14 October 2011, 18:32:43 »
PM Sent!
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« Reply #30 on: Fri, 14 October 2011, 19:56:55 »
Very neat find.
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« Reply #31 on: Sat, 15 October 2011, 11:13:33 »
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I am interested in a custom one if you still have one. what would be the price on it? Also would the controller be inside the case? and/or would there be a way to fit this in a smaller case?

My thoughts as well but I'd like the original case :)
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« Reply #32 on: Sat, 15 October 2011, 11:52:10 »
These are AWESOME btw. I just need to make time for the teeny soldering. Super rugged, and sure to up yr hack-cred with your geek friends. ;)
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« Reply #33 on: Sat, 15 October 2011, 12:41:13 »
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My thoughts as well but I'd like the original case :)
He said that it could be put into another case without modifying anything, which is what I plan to do. Also I will keep the original in case I ever want to put it back together.

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« Reply #34 on: Sat, 15 October 2011, 14:12:36 »
I suggest you buy at least 3 different cases.  Always helps to have extras.
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« Reply #35 on: Wed, 23 November 2011, 15:38:32 »
hello, is this still available? i just found this awesome stuff.

i am interested with the custom edition as well, do pm me the pricing information as well as shipping details.
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« Reply #36 on: Wed, 23 November 2011, 15:52:23 »
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hello, is this still available? i just found this awesome stuff.

i am interested with the custom edition as well, do pm me the pricing information as well as shipping details.
I believe he does but very few.

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« Reply #37 on: Thu, 09 February 2012, 12:02:31 »
I'm now back in Canada, and yes I still have keypads left :D.
I've PM'd anyone who expressed interest earlier (and I told them wait till I returned from California). If I didn't, and you did express interest, let me know.

Price for the non-controller version is still $40. If you already asked for a controller version, I'll be able to discount to $90, otherwise it'll be full price as I'll have to order more Teensy's ($110 each, unless interest is high enough).
I do have some controllers I made in California already, but once those run out, I'll have to wait until my lab is fully put together again (within the next few weeks).
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« Reply #38 on: Thu, 09 February 2012, 12:11:15 »
I pmed regarding this. @_@ They seem so cool...

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Bud/Honeywell Hall Effect Keypads (~30)
« Reply #39 on: Sun, 12 February 2012, 02:22:49 »
Still waiting for my Hakko and helping hands, then I'll be ready to give this a go with the one I got ;)

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HaaTa, any chance i could get just a controller?  I have one spare teensy and about 5 projects that need em. Getting a prebuilt controller for this would be swell ;)
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Bud/Honeywell Hall Effect Keypads (~30)
« Reply #40 on: Mon, 13 February 2012, 10:57:16 »
Perhaps. PM.
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Bud/Honeywell Hall Effect Keypads (~30)
« Reply #41 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 20:11:56 »
Wow, can't believe I didn't notice this until now. PM'd!

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Bud/Honeywell Hall Effect Keypads (~30)
« Reply #42 on: Tue, 03 April 2012, 12:20:38 »
Still got a bunch left :D.
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Bud/Honeywell Hall Effect Keypads (~30)
« Reply #43 on: Tue, 03 April 2012, 12:32:43 »
I'm not interested, but what do the switches feel like?  Hall-effect switches are pretty rare, so I'm just curious.

Good find, BTW.


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« Reply #44 on: Wed, 04 April 2012, 08:30:00 »
Hmm, switch feel.

Well, they are linear. So start by thinking of say MX Black, as the force required is about the same, perhaps a bit less.
When you bottom out, it's the slider hitting the bottom, not the keycap. And since the slider is rather large, the bottom out sound is rather deep, more like a thud. The sound when the slider returns to the normal position is actually louder (sorta reminiscent of Topre).
The slider itself is much smoother than MX Blacks (or any Cherry switch).
Also, since there is no metal contact (that can be vaguely felt on MX linear switches), you have to memorize where to stop, in order not to bottom out.
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Re: Bud/Honeywell Hall Effect Keypads (~30)
« Reply #45 on: Tue, 09 October 2012, 19:45:10 »
any of these still knocking around?
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Re: Bud/Honeywell Hall Effect Keypads (~30)
« Reply #46 on: Tue, 09 October 2012, 19:53:01 »
Yes. But you'll have to wait until at least January when I get back to Canada.
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Re: Bud/Honeywell Hall Effect Keypads (~30)
« Reply #47 on: Tue, 09 October 2012, 19:53:25 »
thats fine, no worries. thanks for reply.
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Re: Bud/Honeywell Hall Effect Keypads (~30)
« Reply #48 on: Tue, 09 October 2012, 20:00:20 »
PM Sent! :D

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Re: Bud/Honeywell Hall Effect Keypads (~30)
« Reply #49 on: Tue, 09 October 2012, 20:00:34 »
Yes. But you'll have to wait until at least January when I get back to Canada.

I'll take one too once you get back to Canada ^___^
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