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Offline ZRock

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« on: Tue, 31 May 2011, 10:41:05 »
I'm looking for my first mechanical keyboard, I've read most of the posts here from the last x number of months, I'm pretty set on MX Clears or Browns... I'm going to be doing a typing/gaming hybrid, and blacks don't seem like they'd be enough of a change for me to switch from domed.  Just wondering, is the XArmor U9W any good?  Its only $99 on amazon, AND wireless... I have the choice of that or a Das Silent with the student discount... So about the same.  Or if I got REALLY lucky, my dream keyboard would be one of the Tactile Deck Legends...  I wish the marketplace seller was still planning on selling his!

Anyways, any thoughts on the board?  Any other ideas?  

Nice to meet you all!
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Offline sndstrm

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« Reply #1 on: Tue, 31 May 2011, 10:45:49 »
Welcome to Geekhack!

But... you may wanna check out this thread concerning the Xarmor

Das has a very good rep, if you can deal with the gloss.  But if you have a student discount that would probably decide it for me right there.  Das has been recommended as a good first mechanical.
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« Reply #2 on: Tue, 31 May 2011, 11:48:00 »
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Anyways, any thoughts on the board?  Any other ideas?

Company is dying and the board is so so at best.
If you want a so so backlit board, go for the Razer BlackWidow Ultimate. At least the company is there to stay.
If you want a rock solid backlit that is aesthetically challenged you can go for http://www.deckkeyboards.com/
If you can wait for Mionix to release their Zibal 60 (June?), we are hoping for a keyboard better than the XArmor and the BWU.
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« Reply #3 on: Tue, 31 May 2011, 12:04:32 »
I would LOVE a deck legend.  Especially an Ice Tactile.  But the cost is a little out of budget.  It needs to be ~100.  The BWU just seems like its had a lot of bad reviews.  The Zibel60 is only going to come in MX blacks right?

Edit:  I noticed this in the market as well... http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?18385-Filco-Majestouch-Tenkeyless-Blue, how does it compare to the Das?  Aside from the 10keyless
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« Reply #4 on: Tue, 31 May 2011, 14:16:42 »
NO XArmor is any good.

All kidding aside, I had to return my board because the key quality was crap on the backlit (I'm still having issues with ErgoGeek refunding my money...).

I thought the board itself was okay, but I couldn't trust the backlighting, especially after their USA website went MIA again. The fifty-dollar premium on an average quality board with untrustworthy backlighting and crappy plastic was too much. At 80, I would have bought the regular unlit keyboard instead of my Filco, if dealing with ErgoGeek hadn't left such a negative impression.
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« Reply #5 on: Tue, 31 May 2011, 14:23:58 »
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I would LOVE a deck legend.  Especially an Ice Tactile.  But the cost is a little out of budget.  It needs to be ~100.  The BWU just seems like its had a lot of bad reviews.  The Zibel60 is only going to come in MX blacks right?


Zibal will come in Black... Correct.

With a 100$ price cap... You will have to get a frontlit keyboard ;-)


Btw, Ducky just released a backlit. Dunno the price tag or availability.
As Ripster said... It got to be better than a XArmor....
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« Reply #6 on: Tue, 31 May 2011, 15:18:24 »
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If you can wait for Mionix to release their Zibal 60 (June?), we are hoping for a keyboard better than the XArmor and the BWU.

At the end of the Zibal 60 video on their website its says available now, but I checked some of the resellers and they are only advertising it right now.  Must be soon...
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Offline ZRock

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« Reply #7 on: Tue, 31 May 2011, 15:36:05 »
I understand I would need a frontlit one if It was within my price... ( still hoping someone has a used deck they are feeling really generous with!!! I guess I need to lower my hopes a bit! I'm still trying to justify the price tags on every mechanical keyboard too

Btw I don't want to go with the new keyboard because I'm trying to avoid mx blacks
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« Reply #8 on: Tue, 31 May 2011, 15:37:28 »
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I'm looking for my first mechanical keyboard, I've read most of the posts here from the last x number of months, I'm pretty set on MX Clears or Browns... I'm going to be doing a typing/gaming hybrid, and blacks don't seem like they'd be enough of a change for me to switch from domed.  Just wondering, is the XArmor U9W any good?  Its only $99 on amazon, AND wireless... I have the choice of that or a Das Silent with the student discount... So about the same.  Or if I got REALLY lucky, my dream keyboard would be one of the Tactile Deck Legends...  I wish the marketplace seller was still planning on selling his!

Anyways, any thoughts on the board?  Any other ideas?  

Nice to meet you all!

 

I have an Xarmor and a BL82, Xarmor wins hands down.

Because is is stylish, because the key shape, because the lacks of ugly fonts, because the nice wrist rest and because the PCB quality, because the USB HUB, and also because the Xarmors's price is reasonable while the Decks/TG3 one is out of mind
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Offline ZRock

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« Reply #9 on: Tue, 31 May 2011, 16:00:09 »
The deck's cost is easily justified by the dollars they put in production
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« Reply #10 on: Tue, 31 May 2011, 18:59:54 »
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The deck's cost is easily justified by the dollars they put in production

 
So you are the usual user who ask for help when he wants just a confirmation.

Sorry no confirmation from me. Spending so much for a deck keyboard is just stupid
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Offline ZRock

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« Reply #11 on: Tue, 31 May 2011, 19:23:09 »
Not looking for confirmation, just that I understand decks have a fairly low margin. Not like they're gouging. And I really am tryin to weigh all the options
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Offline Zet

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« Reply #12 on: Tue, 31 May 2011, 20:06:42 »
Get the DAS if you can't afford more than 100$, if you ever have complains about the glossy case, those will be minor compared to others you might have if you pick another keyboard than DAS for that price.

I insist, if you don't like the glossy case, get some 3M or some special stickers and add them to it, to avoid any scratches or mass finger prints
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« Reply #13 on: Tue, 31 May 2011, 20:16:27 »
Thanks for all your advice! Das will be the backup! But sounds like I'll get a deck! Someone pmd mr back :)
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« Reply #14 on: Tue, 31 May 2011, 20:21:01 »
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I'll get a deck! Someone pmd mr back :)

 

I'm sure you are lost on secondary details, but you haven't figured how odd is typing on a keyboard with such stupid flat shaped keys.

Get a DAS if you don't need backlight, get an Xarmor or wait two days for the QPAD MK80 if you need it, but stay away from deck.
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« Reply #15 on: Tue, 31 May 2011, 20:56:41 »
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I expect wireless keyboards to be next.  RF is RF.



 Cellphones need to reach the BTS or Node-B (what you call tower), which can be 5Km or even 15Km far away. And has to do it even from inside of a concrete building
An RF keyboard need to reach the PC which is usually in the range of 1 to 10m w/o any barrier.

This means that the power involved is tens of thousands times lower, so don't worry to get out the stone age, you will not die because you get an RF keyboard.
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Offline ZRock

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« Reply #16 on: Tue, 31 May 2011, 21:23:07 »
Haha why would you say to stay away from deck?
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« Reply #17 on: Tue, 31 May 2011, 21:28:15 »
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Haha why would you say to stay away from deck?

 
Use a deck, use a decent keyboard and then come back and tell me how they feel.

Deck is flat, like a notebook keyboard, Xarmor, DAS, filco and so on, are curved and this makes (obviously) an huge difference.
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« Reply #18 on: Tue, 31 May 2011, 21:50:13 »
Why does the QPad look like an XArmor? QPad is a legitimate company, right? Not ione rebranding again?
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« Reply #19 on: Tue, 31 May 2011, 21:52:08 »
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Why does the QPad look like an XArmor?

 
Because, tanks god, is the same keyboard (maybe with some more refined detail) .

Good as an Xarmor but available with the right ISO layout.
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« Reply #20 on: Tue, 31 May 2011, 21:54:01 »
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Thanks for all your advice! Das will be the backup! But sounds like I'll get a deck! Someone pmd mr back :)

 You will not regret it... The ugly fonts grows on you.

Congratulations
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« Reply #21 on: Tue, 31 May 2011, 21:57:03 »
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Use a deck, use a decent keyboard and then come back and tell me how they feel.

Deck is flat, like a notebook keyboard, Xarmor, DAS, filco and so on, are curved and this makes (obviously) an huge difference.


Moving to a "flat" keyboard like a Deck is easy and not an issue... Moving back to a curved one is another story.

The risers are there to use them.
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« Reply #22 on: Tue, 31 May 2011, 22:03:05 »
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Moving to a "flat" keyboard like a Deck is easy and a none issue..


So tell IBM they wasted years and money when they built the model F keyboard.

You obviously can adapt to this odd scheme, but no matter what you can say is a big minus on the deck rating
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« Reply #23 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 05:20:00 »
Is it a big minus without comparing?  I understand if I had multiple keyboards, having the deck in the rotation would be a HUGE negative, due to its sole glaring difference.  However this is planning on being my ONLY keyboard for quite some time.. (yes yes, I know everyone here will say I'll catch the fever :D put that aside for now!)  So if this has no other keyboard to compare to, is it going to be any worse?  I'm sorry if you think I'm being stubborn Solutor, I'm just extremely nervous.
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« Reply #24 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 05:47:10 »
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Is it a big minus without comparing? I understand if I had multiple keyboards, having the deck in the rotation would be a HUGE negative,


So using this way to choose, any keyboard is good.

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due to its sole glaring difference.


Sole ?

Deck is ugly looking, has ugly fonts, miss usb hub and any other value added feature.

Doesn't came with a wrist rest, nor with a keypuller, nor with any additional keycap.

the leds are mounted with the terminals bent make hideous to desolder them.

switching from PS/2 to USB and viceversa is not feasible with a simple adapter.

The keys are not only flat but also oddly shaped when looking to the single key

And so on...


Personally I can accept all this minus for a BL82 payed 25 euro (indeed I got one of it) but not for a keyboard that cost 1.6x the price of an Xarmor/Qpad/tessoro/stellar.

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I'm sorry if you think I'm being stubborn Solutor


I don't think you are subborn, although laughing at my politely presented opinion is not a nice behavior, I think you have already decided, no matter what I/we can write here.

So this thread is basically a waste of time for you, me, and everyone replied. BTW can be a nice reading for the users used to read and never post.
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« Reply #25 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 06:36:25 »
Thank you for your points, and I really wish I could USE both keyboard, a das silent and the Deck side by side to really tell.  What I meant by not comparing is I mean if the deck isn't the odd one out in a set, is it as bad as if it was something you had to switch to daily and get use to the change.  
And I, having never owned a mech keyboard, don't really know the difference between clears and browns and as many times as someone explains it, without testing I'm not sure!
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« Reply #26 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 08:34:04 »
Quote from: ZRock;354072

And I, having never owned a mech keyboard, don't really know the difference between clears and browns and as many times as someone explains it, without testing I'm not sure!

 
That's easy: clear are too stiff browns are too linear. You need both to make a good switch.

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?17357-U9BL-Beige-edition-(clear-switches-brown-springs)&highlight=beige+edition
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« Reply #27 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 08:48:35 »
Haha, but I don't have any soldering equipment!
And what was the base board you used for that?
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« Reply #28 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 08:55:59 »
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Haha, but I don't have any soldering equipment!


Soldering equipement is easy to get, soldering experience a bit more difficult to get, but is not rocket science.

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And what was the base board you used for that?


A brown xarmor
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« Reply #29 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 08:57:11 »
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Soldering equipment is almost required when you own a Xarmor or a Scorpius M10.

 

This site needs a better troll
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« Reply #30 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 08:59:55 »
Ugh, thats a gripe I've got of this forum, YES it has a ton of useful information, but it must be gleaned from the fanboy talk.  Both of you obviously have strong biases.
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« Reply #31 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 09:05:17 »
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Both of you obviously have strong biases.

 
No bias here, I own the keyboards I'm speaking about, someone instead is used to spread BS w/o ever touched one of it.
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« Reply #32 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 09:08:58 »
If you get a Deck and dislike the font, you can always pick up one of these:
http://cgi.ebay.com/TG3-Electronics-BL82E-Backlit-USB-Keyboard-AS-IS-/220782245996?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item3367a5b86c

http://cgi.ebay.com/TG3-Data911-Backlit-Touchpad-Cherry-Mechanical-Keyboard-/170632786717?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item27ba81b31d

I (purposely, for a discount) bought a broken board from the second seller just for to try a different set of backlit keycaps. IIRC, it was just one switch that was broken and could be fixed if I put the time into soldering a new one in. The quality difference btw these and the xarmor was leaps and bounds; the plastic stem was very sturdy.You can probably ask if he has any of them with the caps in really good condition. Mine were a letter worn along the sides, but the lettering looked very fresh. At least with this, you could have a regular font for everything but the number pad.

The dye-sub is visible even under low-light, so I decided to keep these keycaps in rotation for my non-backlit board. If you do buy these, wear gloves when you remove the plastic membrane. That was definitely pretty gross.
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« Reply #33 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 09:14:55 »
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I (purposely, for a discount) bought a broken board from the second seller just for to try a different set of backlit keycaps.

 
I got mine from the first seller, i bought one sold as working, but arrived with three broken switches and backlit stuck.

I asked for a partial refund, they agreed. Very nice people to deal with.
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« Reply #34 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 09:16:34 »
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He gets free review samples from them.

 

Always matter of grapes and foxes, as usual...:smokin:
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« Reply #35 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 09:27:19 »
So a deck with those replacement keys is generally agreed as a solid board?
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« Reply #36 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 09:37:23 »
I think the Mionix looks AWESOME, however I am making myself refuse to have my first board be MX Blacks
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« Reply #37 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 09:42:26 »
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I think the Mionix looks AWESOME, however I am making myself refuse to have my first board be MX Blacks


It's worth to have a board with pointless switches, to make ripster happier.

Really :party:
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« Reply #38 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 10:06:42 »
still conflicted? just get a filco and mod it to be backlit
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« Reply #39 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 10:07:39 »
Haha, thanks for the sound advice with great reasoning to back it up!
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« Reply #40 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 10:08:48 »
Zzzz, I feel like this discussion could go in circles.  Long story short I could get the Xarmor wireless, the Das Ultimate Silent, or a Deck Ice Tactile all for between 100-120 shipped.  Thats the hard part.
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« Reply #41 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 10:15:06 »
Keep in mind, despite what the solutor says, xarmor didn't sell very many units which was the reason I didn't get it.

I would go for Das or Deck, my preference would be Das but you need backlighting so.... yea
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« Reply #42 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 10:23:48 »
Not so much need as in when I see that they're the same price i have a hard time justifying NOT getting it
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« Reply #43 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 10:35:04 »
Yeah, 120 shipped, used for about a month, found a very nice marketplace man :D
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« Reply #44 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 11:33:50 »
The Deck I briefly owned seemed like a solid unit.  If you like the backlight and font on the legends, then it's a good deal at that price, imho.
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« Reply #45 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 11:37:56 »
chea
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« Reply #46 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 12:22:53 »
The font won't bug me I believe... I don't look at the keys much themselves anyways.
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Offline redpill

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Is this XArmor any good?
« Reply #47 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 12:32:58 »
Heh, I thought they looked more like Kung Fu Panda keys.
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Offline ZRock

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Is this XArmor any good?
« Reply #48 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 12:43:55 »
I kinda dig the font lol :D
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Offline ZRock

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Is this XArmor any good?
« Reply #49 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 13:26:42 »
Lol I went with the Deck, should have it by next week.  If I don't like it I can easily sell it back for what I paid.
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