Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger

[r4pture]

I'm mostly interested in the keycaps, what they're made of and how they're lettered.  I could be very interested in this board, but I need to know if my letters are going to turn into glowing blobs in a month.

The fact you can pick your switch is pretty awesome, I can't believe other places haven't thought of that.  Plus I love me some red lighting  Not the purple I desire but you can't win em all.

[The Solutor]

I'm mostly interested in the keycaps, what they're made of and how they're lettered.  I could be very interested in this board, but I need to know if my letters are going to turn into glowing blobs in a month.

Be happy they aren't filcos.

Likely they are made exactly as any other good backlit keyboard already available, excluding decks, this mean die subbed lasered and coated keys.

Until now not a single user had keycaps worn on their BWU or Xarmor after even 9 months.

[battlesheep]

aloha! im a fellow SHERMANN but work at the CM Storm R&D HQ in Taipei
Big thx to frittenfett for posting this here!
really glad to see so much feedback and discussions here, thanks a lot!
One thing that makes CM special is that people here always take feedback seriously, thats one of the reasons i started working here
so if you guys have any suggestions, let me know and ill pass it on!

some more infos:
- 4 versions: BlackMX BrownMX BlueMX RedMX(!)
- detachable Handwrist
- Different Light-Modes (5levels+2modes)

dont want to spill all the beans just yet, but there are some more nice features

In my honest opinion it looks seriously ugly. There was a time a few years ago when I was into all the tacky looking keyboards, but now I prefer plain/clean looks. But hey, the more of these kinds of things that come out the more ignorant people will learn about mechanical keyboards and maybe start looking for actually good keyboards.

what can i say, the design isnt really my cup of tea either... but i personally still prefer over the Razer BW and logitech Gxx stuff

it does say, hey i'm a black widow clone though. same key layout, backlit, similar blocky font for the legends. just in a tackier looking casing, and a big crappy looking wrist rest.

hmmm since several people compare it to the BW, let me continue that example:
layout: we use the standard KB layout, theres nothing razer-like about it... the only thing non standard is the macro keys, and Logitech were the first with that as far as i know
razer moved the F1-F12 keys towards the right and reduced spacing between the blocks of 4, we follow the standard layout
razer moved the F1-F12 keys closer to the main KB zone, the gap is only 8mm short, we use the standard of 14mm
razer moved the numpad zone closer to the rest of the KB, we follow the standard layout and keep a 10mm gap
razer uses the standard spacing of 10mm between the main KB zone and M1-M5 keys, we made it 12mm so people dont hit them accidentally and can rest their pinky and ring finger there a bit more comfortably after pulling the M1-M5 keycaps
razer uses a rather steep angle for a KB, we use a lower standard angle
razer moved main icons to the top left of the keys, we have them centered
razer prints secondary+ info on the keys, we dont print anything since print is invisible in backlight mode

backlid: hows that a razer clone? they werent the first to have backlid keys... cherry MX are designed to hold an LED... and we are the FIRST to use red LEDs in a cherry MX keyboard!
Font: The font is very similar to what we used in the past on our mice before razer released the BW and Tron keyboard, its a variation of the Babylon5 font i think
Tacky design: yeah not a huge fan of that either... but better than the super shiny BW imo... and i like it more than logitech too...
Wrist rest: whats so crappy about it? its rubber coated and quite comfy...
dont worry, its NOT a razer clone... besides the cherry switches we use completely different components and materials

Should have made it USB 3.0 and ditched the power cube.

ripster, USB3 is seriously expensive still :/
integrating a usb hub costs around 20-30$, depending on quality, and we thought its really not worth it...

Cooler Masters make great computer cases. Why they're branching out to keyboard is beyond me.

our fans asked us to... we have been a major sponsor in the pro gaming community in europe for i think a decade now, and we got a lot of feedback and requests to do more gaming related products...
first CM Storm did mice, then people said you need mousepads, then they said you a complete lineup, ie keyboard and headset, so now we are doing that too...
if your happy with other CM products, then what do you worry about? youll be getting similar quality and price/perf mice and headset and keyboards as well now... if you dont like them, no big deal... having more to choose from is never bad

I wonder how the "gamers" face looks like when they know their macro keys, and software isn't that unique and pro, when they find out they can do the same, on any keyboard with AutoHotKey scripts

yeah... i LOVE autohotkey too...
an advantage of trigger is that you can store your macros on the KB itself... and switch between profiles, reassign macros... management is a lot better than autohotkey...
thats what i think at least... im curious to see what you think of the driver panel when it comes out

Yeah, I've always found macro keys to be pointless. AHK let's you do the same and much, much more without bulky keys that get key in the way and are unused most of the time. Of course I thought The G15/19 series was uncomfortable to use and unattractive. The keys feel like they're 3 inches off the desk and made out of the cheapest plastic they could find.

yeah i had a G11 myself and didnt like it too much... i popped off the macro keys, and was actually against macro keys on trigger, but... oh well...
we do a lot of focus groups at coolermaster and invite gaming teams and media and all... and many wanted macro keys so :/
in the end you can pop them off and then its ok...

Better if they supply booth babes.

unfortunately we didnt have that nice babes at computex... hope itll be better at GC

if it is from the same build quality as the cm mice, it might be good. Now my cm storm is good, it's my daily rider, it does feel cheap and i did open it up (to take 10g of weight off of it) but it works. Macro software is pretty crappy tho, having used logitech/nostromo/razer cm software is the worst so if you you want this for macros, idk i wouldn't trust it for that.

hmmm which one are you using?
what exactly is wrong with it?
whats wrong with the software?
send me a pm and ill forward it to the PMs

They are NOT saying that it has a 1000mhz polling rate, so thats a good sign =)

actually we DO mention that on the packaging i think =_=

[QUOTE="daerid;379747]Agreed 100%. I rocked a CM Centurion case for 4 years, and now I have that very Scout you posted. It's quite possibly the best case I've ever owned. All of which makes me EXTREMELY interested in a CM mechanical board.[/QUOTE]yeah, i <3 scout... awesome case...

Ummmmm.....  that thing appears to be a Blackwidow Ultimate with red lights instead of blue, and black switches instead of blue.
Keycap shape and layout, font, macro keys, etc, all look identical to the BWU.

why do you guys keep saying this? hah
the only thing trigger has in common with razers BW is that they both follow KB standards and use cherry switches... which almost every gaming keyboard does...
and the ones that dont are usually the ones that blow (weird layout, huge spacebar key, smaller or bigger keycaps, different keycap spacing etc)
keycap shape is standard, i got a dozen of keyboards here and almost all of them are 100% identical, 14x12mm at the top and 18x18mm at the bottom and cylindrical surface...
hmmm macro keys DO look very similar... maybe thats what reminds everybody of razer?

[battlesheep]

I'm mostly interested in the keycaps, what they're made of and how they're lettered.  I could be very interested in this board, but I need to know if my letters are going to turn into glowing blobs in a month.
The fact you can pick your switch is pretty awesome, I can't believe other places haven't thought of that.  Plus I love me some red lighting  Not the purple I desire but you can't win em all.

they're made out of a similar material as the iONE and BW, milky/diffusing plastic, and then coated in black paint.
about the light, you can paint the inside of the keycap with a blue marker, that should make the backlight purple
it gets a little darker, but it should be enough
you can probably do the same with a red market on the iONE and BW

[battlesheep]

Stabilizers on the Black Widow all around are just ****. A buddy of mine has one, and he routinely pops the plastic stabilizer inserts out of his space bar. He doesn't even use it anymore because of that.

mhhhh you mean metal stabilizers?
i dont like them either... they make it impossible to remove the spacebar to clean the keyboard, or at least risky as the hold down plastic parts break easily...
and they tend to squeek sometimes...
and i dont like the way they impact the actuation and recoil feeling of the key... its not as smooth anymore...
we use cherry dummy switches to balance bigger keys

[greyhounds]

battlesheep, you've convinced me. This is not a Black Widow and you've taken extra steps to try to improve on the low points of the BW and similar models.

I'm glad you're using better stabilizers than we've seen on other boards - that's what killed the BWU for me.

[The Solutor]

you can paint the inside of the keycap with a blue marker, that should make the backlight purple
it gets a little darker, but it should be enough
you can probably do the same with a red market on the iONE and BW

 

Ovbiously this doesen't works

You need white leds




to do something with filtering, like I did on my Xarmor

[flaming_june]

You don't NEED any leds;  But if you prefer to have them, sure why not.

Still eagerly awaiting this and g unit.

[battlesheep]

battlesheep, you've convinced me. This is not a Black Widow and you've taken extra steps to try to improve on the low points of the BW and similar models.
I'm glad you're using better stabilizers than we've seen on other boards - that's what killed the BWU for me.

thanks
i actually have to say though, after thinking for a while...
compared to other keyboards, the BWU probably IS the most similar model out there which is why some people compare Trigger to it
about the stabilizers... everybody has different preferences i guess... i know some people love the metal bow stuff... not sure why, but i guess if its done right, like on the ancient IBM ones, it CAN actually work really well...
the dummy switches instead are a little more expensive but you dont need any time to fine tune them, they just work... and you can remove keycaps as much as you want...

Ovbiously this doesen't works
You need white leds
to do something with filtering, like I did on my Xarmor

well, it DOES work with colors that are next to it on the wavelength band, i tried it on a trigger sample
but yeah, white LEDs are much better... i didnt know there were KBs with white backlight! thats nice!
your mod looks... xmas-y

another rep for noodles to bash. this board seriously has a power cube? I really cant believe that, biggest killer

uuuhhhmm why is that... bad...? so youd rather charge your smartphone at snails-pace and not be able to connect external HDDs and Headsets etc?
How can you complain about having an extra option/feature? if you dont want it/need it, then just dont use it...?

btw, it features the non-official 5VDC power plug that almost any USB hub and USB powered device comes with, but it doesnt actually come bundled with a PSU.
the final added cost in MSRP on bundling a 5VDC psu would be around 10-15us$, which we thought was silly... especially considering many people might not need/want it, and those that do, probably have one already or can get one for the same price in a shop around the corner or for less on ebay

[The Solutor]

well, it DOES work with colors that are next to it on the wavelength band,

The problem is that most of the coloured leds are practically monochrome and with a very narrow band emission.

Usually any filtering attempt results in a reduced flux with no other effects.

i didnt know there were KBs with white backlight!

This one has warm white backlight because I modded it, btw termaltake should launch its Meka G Unity in August, which is also backlit in white (standard white).

thats nice!
 your mod looks... xmas-y

Mod is really the white leds part. The coloured one is just an experiment to differentiate lower caps, very easy to change.

BTW thanks for your appreciation :-)

[battlesheep]

yeah i heard of TTs white KB, i think i saw a pic somewhere... white backlight looks NIIICEEE imo...
im surprised SS hasnt done it since it would match their kinda style... and yeah your right, most LEDs are pretty monochrome...

btw, noodle, i think you hate the power brick cause you think its mandatory right?
its not like that, you dont NEED an external PSU to use trigger... its just an add on for people who want more USB power

[jayfinger]

yeah i heard of TTs white KB, i think i saw a pic somewhere... white backlight looks NIIICEEE imo...
im surprised SS hasnt done it since it would match their kinda style... and yeah your right, most LEDs are pretty monochrome...

btw, noodle, i think you hate the power brick cause you think its mandatory right?
its not like that, you dont NEED an external PSU to use trigger... its just an add on for people who want more USB power

But the product costs some amount more because it comes with a power brick, and additional electronics inside to deal with it.  It seems silly that you even expect me to pay for that.

[alaricljs]

He just said that it doesn't come with the power brick and doesn't require it, and as for a USB hub costing more because it has to deal with a power port... it's ~30 cents worth of parts and PCB real estate.

[jayfinger]

He just said that it doesn't come with the power brick and doesn't require it, and as for a USB hub costing more because it has to deal with a power port... it's ~30 cents worth of parts and PCB real estate.

Oops, yeah my bad.  I didn't catch that he said the brick is "an add on".  If it really is "buy it separately" then that's cool.

[The Solutor]

Oops, yeah my bad.  I didn't catch that he said the brick is "an add on".  If it really is "buy it separately" then that's cool.

What really matter is how old is your MB and how piky are the protection on its USB ports.

On my recent Asrock, I have my Xarmor connected to the USB ports of my Qpad, and in turn I have a couple of usb devices connected to the the the last keyboard of the chain.

Both are backlit and anithyng works.

Surely on a 5 years old MB I can't do it because theu cut the power when the 500mA limit is reached (or even before). So an additional power source can be useful, but not mandatory.

[battlesheep]

He just said that it doesn't come with the power brick and doesn't require it, and as for a USB hub costing more because it has to deal with a power port... it's ~30 cents worth of parts and PCB real estate.

might be even less than that
you have to use a PCB anyways for the MCU (keyboard controller), and most of them have a USB port built in...
so all you have to add in cost is some additional SMD components and then the USB connectors themselves, thats it

What really matter is how old is your MB and how piky are the protection on its USB ports.
On my recent Asrock, I have my Xarmor connected to the USB ports of my Qpad, and in turn I have a couple of usb devices connected to the the the last keyboard of the chain.
Both are backlit and anithyng works.
Surely on a 5 years old MB I can't do it because theu cut the power when the 500mA limit is reached (or even before). So an additional power source can be useful, but not mandatory.

exactly! gigabyte even advertises that they have 1.5-2.7A per USB port.

[flaming_june]

But then a lot of people didn't want to wait and bought it via amazon.co.uk instead.

[Mr. Perfect]

some more infos:
- 4 versions: BlackMX BrownMX BlueMX RedMX(!)
- detachable Handwrist
- Different Light-Modes (5levels+2modes)

Is there any chance at all for a version using Cherry MX Clears? Currently the only board manufacturer with clears is Deck, and they don't exactly have the whole economy of scale thing going.

[The Solutor]

Is there any chance at all for a version using Cherry MX Clears? Currently the only board manufacturer with clears is Deck, and they don't exactly have the whole economy of scale thing going.

Clears are unavailable on the Asian market, so I assume that is a request not to easy to satisfy. Btw,  happy if I'm being wrong.

[Mr. Perfect]

Damn. Quick, get some SC2 pros to use a Deck tactile!

[The Solutor]

Damn. Quick, get some SC2 pros to use a Deck tactile!

A clear filco, in limited edition, could be even better to advertise the clear switches

[N8N]

A clear filco, in limited edition, could be even better to advertise the clear switches

If only!  I'm about ready to build myself a damn clear filco because it just looks more squared away and professional than a Deck, and I have a serious jones to try a board with plate-mounted clears...  if only I could find one!

[The Solutor]

If only!  I'm about ready to build myself

The good  news is that in basic keyboards, even if plate mounted, you have to desolder just 208 terminals and not 416, you don't have to remove and replace the leds, and the soldering islands of the switches are large enough, so no big desoldering problems. I think is matter of one or two hour of work, depending on the skill and the equipment available, nothing like my xarmor that required 5 or 6 hour of work.

[battlesheep]

Is there any chance at all for a version using Cherry MX Clears? Currently the only board manufacturer with clears is Deck, and they don't exactly have the whole economy of scale thing going.

i thought cherry clears are a customized brown switch with stronger spring? kinda like a brown switches with black springs...
havent tried them, find it hard to believe they are worth it to have yet another KB version...

The good  news is that in basic keyboards, even if plate mounted, you have to desolder just 208 terminals and not 416, you don't have to remove and replace the leds, and the soldering islands of the switches are large enough, so no big desoldering problems. I think is matter of one or two hour of work, depending on the skill and the equipment available, nothing like my xarmor that required 5 or 6 hour of work.

id say depending on skill level its 1-12 hours of work depending on skill level
not sure how heat resistant the plastic of the switches is actually...
if it is, then a heatgun might work well?

[The Solutor]

uhhhhh ok...


i thought cherry clears are a customized brown switch with stronger spring?

No, it's a  more tactile switch that has also a stronger spring than both blacks and browns. And is commonly available in European boards.

The custom one is the Ergo clear switch, made with the spring from brown/blue/red switches and the clear stem. IMO by far the best cherry swich available, incredibly good for typing and
while good for gaming.

[noodles256]

Kinda ridiculous that the order still went through even though people's order were changed. what was the point of the email? Don't even send it if you still are going to charge people.

CM hands down one of the worst companies I have dealt with and people thought Razer was bad lol

[Mr. Perfect]

i thought cherry clears are a customized brown switch with stronger spring? kinda like a brown switches with black springs...
havent tried them, find it hard to believe they are worth it to have yet another KB version...

Nope, they're a legitimate Cherry part. You can see them in the switch wiki if you like. They are very tactile and with a high activation force, but no click. Only Deck and Cherry corp themselves offer products using them though, no one else seems to know about them.

[flaming_june]

So I'm about to receive my spawn.  I actually missed the fedex man by 10 minutes when I came home from playing hockey, got the fedex note.  I would love to get a trigger;  What's the eta on this board in the US?

[Bry]

Looks like the ugly child of a g15 and a blackwidow :/

[battlesheep]

dont sit there and act like carter didnt do anything.

im sure he did something... im sure he did a LOT... but what exactly you are referring to i really dont know

No, it's a  more tactile switch that has also a stronger spring than both blacks and browns. And is commonly available in European boards.

The custom one is the Ergo clear switch, made with the spring from brown/blue/red switches and the clear stem. IMO by far the best cherry swich available, incredibly good for typing and
while good for gaming.

mhhhh interesting... ill ask for samples
thx for the headsup!

Nope, they're a legitimate Cherry part. You can see them in the switch wiki if you like. They are very tactile and with a high activation force, but no click. Only Deck and Cherry corp themselves offer products using them though, no one else seems to know about them.

mhhh thanks!

So I'm about to receive my spawn.  I actually missed the fedex man by 10 minutes when I came home from playing hockey, got the fedex note.  I would love to get a trigger;  What's the eta on this board in the US?

still a few months away but in time for the xmas sales campaigns by etailers and retailers
we delayed it a bit to iron out some small things like balancing backlight, keycap coating, keyboard rubber coating..

Looks like the ugly child of a g15 and a blackwidow :/

hahaha... i guess you could call it that, yeah...
like i said, i dont like the design too much either, and its not gonna with a fashion contest, but its a nice KB!
and hey, its our firstborn, give it some slack, cmon

[JackA$$]

Finally i created an account.
First i have to thank battlesheep (i remember a picture on facebook ) to post here in this forum to give us informations about the Trigger. Its always nice to have the chance to talk to a man from the R&D to clear technical questions.
I reported about the Trigger in german forums and I got many questions about the different switch types, with which the Trigger will be offered.
Could you please tell me, that the Trigger will be offered with the 4 different switch types in germany too? or will there be only one switch type with german layout and the other switch types are just available with the US layout?
If there is only one switch type available with the german layout, please make the Trigger with redMX.

[Findecanor]

... and we are the FIRST to use red LEDs in a cherry MX keyboard!

First, thanks for coming here and posting!
Sorry but Dech Legend Fire (which has been out for some time now) already has red backlit LEDs.

i thought cherry clears are a customized brown switch with stronger spring? kinda like a brown switches with black springs...
havent tried them, find it hard to believe they are worth it to have yet another KB version...

Some people have described the Clears that way, but I think it is not completely accurate. Not only is the resistance higher, but the tactile bump is bigger also. The overall feel is more like a rubber dome (I'm probably getting spanked by the mech purists for saying that...), but still with mid-travel actuation. Once it has actuated it feels a bit like Cherry MX Black.
Because it has both the familiarity of the tactile bump and the linear feel, I think that it will be quite well received by gamers (and others) who are new to mechanical keyboards.
The drawback is that the large bump incurs more friction. I have not experienced it myself, but I have heard that older more worn keyboards with Clears could have a diminished tactile feel on the most-often used keys.

Some people like to mod the Clear to have a lighter coiled spring (called "Ergo Clear"), but I quite like it as it is. The tactile bump is not so much in the main spring. With the original main spring it cushions the stroke very nicely after actuation, and I find that a quite nice property when I type. The Clear switch has therefore become my favourite of all the Cherry MX switches.

[battlesheep]

(i remember a picture on facebook )

hehehe yeah that was me best google ad ever haha
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=230652103632051&set=a.141895025841093.18089.128984287132167&type=1

First i have to thank battlesheep to post here in this forum to give us informations about the Trigger. Its always nice to have the chance to talk to a man from the R&D to clear technical questions.
I reported about the Trigger in german forums and I got many questions about the different switch types, with which the Trigger will be offered.

thx, and your welcome you dont seem to deserve your nick at all ^^

Could you please tell me, that the Trigger will be offered with the 4 different switch types in germany too? or will there be only one switch type with german layout and the other switch types are just available with the US layout?
If there is only one switch type available with the german layout, please make the Trigger with redMX.

I tried to convince the branches to carry all 4 switch versions, but the last i heard was that EU and US will carry a single version first, and maybe introduce more versions later if there is enough feedback asking for it.
Its not about what the branches think is right, it has a lot to do with inventory systems of our own warehouses and those of the shops we work with... having 4 versions creates a big overhead in inventory management and can cause confusion (customer ordered black but got blue...) In the end, unfortunately it boils down to shops in EU and the US (north and south) being SOOOO organized and worrying about warehouse efficiency SOOOOoOooOooOoO much, that they try to avoid carrying several versions of the same product, and some even REFUSE to carry more than one version... :/

I know that in at least some if not most other places in the world shops will carry 4 versions, or will offer to ORDER any version you want from us and then have it a few weeks later...
In the end im affraid theres nothing we can do about it, even the branch offices have their hands tied :/
It all boils down to most shops not WANTING different switch versions, and instead of diversifying their products, they actually prefer having 4 different brands of keyboards with the same switch... dont ask me why...
I recommend you to contact your favorite e-tailer or re-tailer and keep asking them, nicely, to carry keyboards with different cherry switches, or at least the one of your preference (red)

The good news is that since we work with amazon and other worldwide e-tailers, you guys might be able to order all 4 versions through one of them...
Im trying to get this worked out but like i said, we cant force them to do what we think is right... in the end they listen to YOU guys more than us...
so like i said, if you want something, keep telling them... just keep waving your hard earned cash in their face until they finally say "OOOKAAAYYY" and take it ^^

First, thanks for coming here and posting!
Sorry but Dech Legend Fire (which has been out for some time now) already has red backlit LEDs.

oh wow, didnt know that! looks like a tank could roll over it kinda heavy tho...
Oh hey i wanted to ask you guys, about backlight... Trigger has close to no light between the keycaps... only the key icons themselves are illuminated.
Do you prefer this or having the space around the keycaps illuminated as well?
with only the keycaps lit up its easier to read them and more relaxing on the eyes... but you cant see the keycaps so you MIGHT not hit the keys that well?

Some people have described the Clears that way, but I think it is not completely accurate. Not only is the resistance higher, but the tactile bump is bigger also. The overall feel is more like a rubber dome (I'm probably getting spanked by the mech purists for saying that...), but still with mid-travel actuation. Once it has actuated it feels a bit like Cherry MX Black.
Because it has both the familiarity of the tactile bump and the linear feel, I think that it will be quite well received by gamers (and others) who are new to mechanical keyboards.
The drawback is that the large bump incurs more friction. I have not experienced it myself, but I have heard that older more worn keyboards with Clears could have a diminished tactile feel on the most-often used keys.

mhhhh interesting... thx a lot for the info!
i actually like browns for the same reason... its kinda what your used to from older KBs, and it just feels better to have a bumpy tactile feedback...
though the latter is def personal preference... if id be playing SC or SC2 and hit insane APMs id probably prefer blues or reds since they feel softer and blues have a stronger actuation feedback
btw, funny about that isnt it? browns n blues are about the same resistance wise, BUT blues feel softer than browns...
i asked 2 dozens of people to try it, friends n coworkers, they all said blue feels slightly to notably softer than brown... but if you take two switches and push them against each other, they move in at about the same speed...

i played around with a sample of this hybrid switch from japan, which uses capacitive tech to detect when a switch is actuated, but uses rubber and spring as well...
whats it called again? let me check... oh yeah, REALFORCE...
i thought id love it since its supposed to have the pros of mech and rubber dome combined... but it felt terrible...
cant believe its 199$ :O
feels really sluggish and my hands feel tired after only a few keystrokes... the keys depress slow and... sluggishly... nobody here likes it, our sample is just lying in the corner =_='
so... yeah, im def interested in more tactile actuation feedback (without a click) so you guys got me interested in the clears and i already ordered samples

Some people like to mod the Clear to have a lighter coiled spring (called "Ergo Clear"), but I quite like it as it is. The tactile bump is not so much in the main spring. With the original main spring it cushions the stroke very nicely after actuation, and I find that a quite nice property when I type. The Clear switch has therefore become my favourite of all the Cherry MX switches.

looking forward to test it... sounds like stronger brown switches to me and until i got a trigger (brown switches), i was using zowies celeritas with brown switches here at work and thought, if only the feedback was stronger and the keystroke termination wasnt that harsh and sudden...

thx for all the great info and suggestions guys!

[TheProfosist]

i played around with a sample of this hybrid switch from japan, which uses capacitive tech to detect when a switch is actuated, but uses rubber and spring as well...
whats it called again? let me check... oh yeah, REALFORCE...
i thought id love it since its supposed to have the pros of mech and rubber dome combined... but it felt terrible...
cant believe its 199$ :O
feels really sluggish and my hands feel tired after only a few keystrokes... the keys depress slow and... sluggishly... nobody here likes it, our sample is just lying in the corner =

mind sending me that sample that your not using? Topre switches are the way to go for me!

[flaming_june]

Or send it to me.  I've had many filcos and other mx switch based  keyboards.  In the end it's just a realforce and a hhkbp2 for me atm.  Topre feels better and has just as much tactile feedback for my fingers.  Plus oGsMC uses it, thus I must comply!

[TheProfosist]

I've had many filcos and other mx switch based  keyboards.  In the end it's just a realforce and a hhkbp2 for me atm.  Topre feels better and has just as much tactile feedback for my fingers.

i cant agree more i currently have a HHKB Pro 2 and a SteelSeries 7G havent touched the 7G since i got the HHKB. i think eventually i may be in the market for a full sized realforce for gaming but it will have to have uniform switch weight.

[JackA$$]

I tried to convince the branches to carry all 4 switch versions, but the last i heard was that EU and US will carry a single version first, and maybe introduce more versions later if there is enough feedback asking for it.

Thanks for this information. But please make this single version of the Trigger with RedMX.
Some Reasons -> BlackMX are in the Mionix Zibal60, BlueMX in the Razer Black Widow and BrownMX in the Zowie Celeritas (but without Backlight). The only MX-Type which cannot be purchased in a "cheap" way is RedMX but this is the type which is the most wanted. BlackMX has a fantastic feeling but for many users (including me) the spring is too strong.
In my opinion the problem is that too many do not like the design of the Trigger. If they want BlackMX they will buy the Zibal60, for BlueMX the Black Widow, MK-80 or U9BL and so on. If the Trigger will be offered just with BlackMX e.g. no one will accept an ugly design if there is another keyboard, which looks great and has the same switch type.

[cactux]

Where did you buy it Kmart?:mod:

[daerid]

I agree. A "mainstream" board with Red MX switches would probably destroy here in the states. It doesn't even have to be that cheap, but the fact that it offers Reds will create it's own marketing allure, due to the fact that Reds are in such high demand and scarce supply.

[False_Dmitry_II]

Says the snobs on a keyboard forum. I don't know how much regular people would end up buying them. They definitely do so in general, because otherwise there wouldn't be any in stores.

[noodles256]

just wait for the ducky shine.

[skyblue]

Though I love simplicity, this doesn't actually look all that bad. Looks better than the blackwidow at least

[The Solutor]

I agree. A "mainstream" board with Red MX switches would probably destroy here in the states. It doesn't even have to be that cheap, but the fact that it offers Reds will create it's own marketing allure, due to the fact that Reds are in such high demand and scarce supply.

Most people who buy a gaming keyboard wants just a good board that provides the features they need, and aren't aware about the supposed scarcity/rarity of the mx reds.

They will buy a red board if they like the feeling.

[ashort]

In my honest opinion it looks seriously ugly. There was a time a few years ago when I was into all the tacky looking keyboards, but now I prefer plain/clean looks. But hey, the more of these kinds of things that come out the more ignorant people will learn about mechanical keyboards and maybe start looking for actually good keyboards.

My opinion: Anytime you go for the "Terminator" look, but aren't actually using a futuristic metal alloy (or you know, titanium, if that's all you got) to build your product, you come off cheap and ugly.

[daerid]

Most people who buy a gaming keyboard wants just a good board that provides the features they need, and aren't aware about the supposed scarcity/rarity of the mx reds.

They will buy a red board if they like the feeling.

Definitely. However, I still maintain that a Red switch board would do well here in the states, if for no other reason than it's a different switch than most people are used to, and if only to the niche market of mechanical keyboard lovers.

So that "do well" comes with a whole lot of conditionals, LOL

[Trueepower]

I think the red switch would do great here. My favorite switches are the Topre, and Red switch so far. I think that for gaming its nice to have a quiet switch, with just a moderate amount of force. The little amount of tactile feedback on the Topre (which is none to me) couples with the back stroke noise is perfect to me. I love the red switch overall for the bottoming out noise, and the little springy feel it has. Those are both good switches for everyday use.

[The Solutor]

Even if I'm a tactile beast, I recognize that red switches are somewhat interesting, surely better than the insipid brown ones.

[battlesheep]

mind sending me that sample that your not using? Topre switches are the way to go for me!

i asked, but nah, we have to keep it here "for reference" :/

Or send it to me.  I've had many filcos and other mx switch based  keyboards.  In the end it's just a realforce and a hhkbp2 for me atm.  Topre feels better and has just as much tactile feedback for my fingers.  Plus oGsMC uses it, thus I must comply!

really? have you guys even tried it? theres a lot of hype for some reason, but its really not good at all...
i prefer typing on cherry black than this... and i dont like blacks cause theyre so hard and tiring...

Thanks for this information. But please make this single version of the Trigger with RedMX.
Some Reasons -> BlackMX are in the Mionix Zibal60, BlueMX in the Razer Black Widow and BrownMX in the Zowie Celeritas (but without Backlight). The only MX-Type which cannot be purchased in a "cheap" way is RedMX but this is the type which is the most wanted. BlackMX has a fantastic feeling but for many users (including me) the spring is too strong.
In my opinion the problem is that too many do not like the design of the Trigger. If they want BlackMX they will buy the Zibal60, for BlueMX the Black Widow, MK-80 or U9BL and so on. If the Trigger will be offered just with BlackMX e.g. no one will accept an ugly design if there is another keyboard, which looks great and has the same switch type.

well, red switches cost more than all other versions, dont ask me, ask cherry why...
its a mystery to me since reds are blacks with softer springs which youd think are cheaper right? ah well... *shrug*
totally agree with you, trigger should be red and brown switches, but it looks like thats not what shops want...
several big shops think, the other mech KBs we sell are XYZ, so that shows customers want XYZ and nothing else... *rolleyes*

Though I love simplicity, this doesn't actually look all that bad. Looks better than the blackwidow at least

thank you!
finally somebody who doesnt feel sick after looking at trigger
like i said im not a big fan of the design myself, but yeah, it does look better than the BW... my fav design wise so far is zowie... i only mean the body tho... the keycaps looks SOOOO cheap... and the Zowie logo and NUM CAP SCR look super cheap too...
but the body is great, simple... if only it wouldnt bend though... the plastic is a bit thin/soft...

the worst ive seen was the razer tron KB... has anybody used that one? :0
O M G... not surprised it never really made it into retail heh

Even if I'm a tactile beast, I recognize that red switches are somewhat interesting, surely better than the insipid brown ones.

insipid? what do you mean?

[False_Dmitry_II]

It means that he hates them and or thinks they are stupid.

As far as the looks of it go, I wouldn't mind using/looking at it.

[TheProfosist]

i asked, but nah, we have to keep it here "for reference" :/
really? have you guys even tried it? theres a lot of hype for some reason, but its really not good at all...
i prefer typing on cherry black than this... and i dont like blacks cause theyre so hard and tiring...

yes i have tried both the Cherry Switches and Topre. I own a SteelSeries 7G (Cherry Blacks) and a Happy Hacking Keyboard Professional 2. Since i got the HHKB i havnt touched the 7G.