Author Topic: Thinking of buying a Filco Ninja Majestouch-2... (Read 14779 times)

gl0ry · « **on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 18:24:00 »

Hello all,

I'm new to the forums, but have been lurking for a little while now. I purchased a Das keyboard (cherry brown) and got it in a few days ago. The keys are already starting to show wear and it's a pet peeve of mine. The glossy finish looks nice, but I find myself wiping it off constantly which can get a little bit irritating at times.

So I'm debating now between exchanging it for the ultimate version, or buying the Filco Ninja (104 layout).

I've read on the forums about some ping noises coming from the filco and that so far is the only thing that has got my attention. The other thing is that since it's going to be purchased overseas, there isn't really going to be any "warranty" for it if it comes with some dead microswitches or other issues.

The reason I'm so attracted to the Ninja isn't just because of the e-peen, it's because I really love the front labeled keys, because like I stated before, I'm have a pet peeve with worn down letters on keys.

The other thing I read is that filco keycaps have a tendency to get imprinted by finger nails? I just need some clarification on all of this if someone wouldn't mind replying to this thread.

I hope you guys can help me make my decision.

Thanks a lot!

wanabe · « **Reply #1 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 18:33:30 »

Wlcm2gkhckenjyyrsty

SecrtAgentMan · « **Reply #2 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 18:37:17 »

Why not buy some engraved PBT and not worry about wear?

Also I used to have a Das that pinged, it's not like only Filcos show signs of it.

Tony · « **Reply #3 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 18:49:51 »

Cherry MX switches are made of metal, and they sometimes consonate when you bottom up or type fast. You are the PING composer.

Filco brown is recommended. For wear, glossy and tear, you can always buy a keycap set.

gl0ry · « **Reply #4 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 18:52:48 »

Quote from: SecrtAgentMan;359627

Why not buy some engraved PBT and not worry about wear?

Also I used to have a Das that pinged, it's not like only Filcos show signs of it.

Because it would be more convenient and cost effective for me to just buy the filco for 159.99 rather than to supplement my current das with engraved.

I actually don't mind the shining type of wear at all. What I do mind is the letters fading and making the keys look out of place.

noodles256 · « **Reply #5 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 19:04:53 »

wlcm 2 gh.

Gotta buy them all.

gl0ry · « **Reply #6 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 19:06:02 »

Thanks for the replies. I think I might go with the Ninja. Any other words of advice from you guys?

Also, I see the Filco's come USB, do they include a usb to ps2 adapter?

SecrtAgentMan · « **Reply #7 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 19:06:36 »

Quote from: noodles256;359637

wlcm 2 gh.

Gotta buy them all.

Oh....you don't catch em all?

Tony · « **Reply #8 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 19:11:32 »

Quote from: gl0ry;359639

Also, I see the Filco's come USB, do they include a usb to ps2 adapter?

Yes.

gl0ry · « **Reply #9 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 19:15:36 »

I was searching on google and found that Filco keys have coating that wear off and end up looking hideous http://www.overclock.net/keyboards/797880-edit-filco-tenkeyless-vs-das-ultimate-3.html#post10321622

I know Filco probably uses that coating to protect the pad print, do any of you know if that's still present on the Ninja keycaps?

noodles256 · « **Reply #10 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 19:18:10 »

unless you type on the front, shouldn't be noticable.

just buy them all.

im gonna look up the pokerap videos

noodles256 · « **Reply #11 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 19:26:01 »

just like the wings i have to go pick up.

they will most likely cook them wrong

noodles256 · « **Reply #12 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 19:27:27 »

they charge extra for extra ranch

dam buffalo wild wings. bunch of commies

daerid · « **Reply #13 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 20:12:51 »

Dude, get it. I have 3 MJ2's and they are all awesome.

gl0ry · « **Reply #14 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 20:21:45 »

Quote from: daerid;359673

Dude, get it. I have 3 MJ2's and they are all awesome.

Yeah? I see that you also have a Das. What is your opinion of how they stack up against each other

Like I said, I am still debating between getting the ninja or just exchanging my professional model for the ultimate.

daerid · « **Reply #15 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 20:51:35 »

Well, aside from the shiny key issue (all of the keys in the alpha cluster of my Das are practically mirror-finished), the quality is comparable. I personally feel the Filcos have a slight edge on quality, but it's very slight. I also prefer more rectangular keyboards, so the bump on the DK to accomodate the USB port kinda irks me, but then again, it's a USB port. So that kinda makes up for it.

As far as the keys getting shiny, I've noticed that they both (meaning Filco and Das Keyboard) will start to get shiny after a few weeks of use. I'm on my keyboard all the freakin time, so YMMV. Apparently if you want to minimize the shininess issue, you should get a set of PBT replacement keycaps. I'm still waiting on mine, so I can't comment on whether that's true or not. One thing I will say though is that I've noticed that my red board's caps wear significantly slower than my blue board did or my brown board is. It may have something to do with the lightness of the switch and that I'm not pressing down on the cap as hard.

As far as noise goes, I don't have any pinging issues with my boards, except for my left control key on my brown tenkeyless, and even then I have to concentrate to hear it.

Overall, both boards are built like tanks. You can't go wrong with either one. But I can guarantee this: You'll want another one soon

Tony · « **Reply #16 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 21:43:11 »

If the keys were not shiny after months of use, how keycaps could be sold? No good for economy.

Backward_Pawn · « **Reply #17 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 22:38:49 »

I have a Ninja, but haven't suffered any pinging. I don't doubt the people that say they do...luck of the draw I guess. I wouldn't worry too much about it, though. While I agree it shouldn't happen on a keyboard that costs this much, Amazon is good about returns and exchanges. I can't help you with the shiny key problem, though. I can tell you that it is awesome to type on, once you get used to it.

Oh, and while the Ninja probably does have e-peen associated, I couldn't really care less. I just didn't want my letters wearing off and figured $10 made that worth it. I almost didn't even get that because I didn't want to pay extra for special keys and what not, but in the end it was only $10 and may make it easier to resell someday.

gl0ry · « **Reply #18 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 22:43:58 »

I'm just wondering if I should go with the tenkeyless version or the standard size. I don't use the numpad that much outside of calculator or excel work, but I already graduated so I don't use it much anymore. The novelty of these mini-keyboards is intriguing me though.

gl0ry · « **Reply #19 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 22:56:34 »

Yeah, do it Backward_Pawn

Edit: Looks like ninja's are evading your request.

Backward_Pawn · « **Reply #20 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 23:29:02 »

Quote from: ripster;359732

Can one of you guys break the Ninja secrecy code, pull a key, put it under bright light, and see if it looks like this?

You are looking for water spot like marks which indicate the key has been coated.

I'll take a look when I switch out my Windows keys. For now I have to go to bed, I have work in the morning. Oh and I just noticed I do have some ping on my quotation mark key. Its certainly not bad enough that I would return the board, but its there

That's the only key I've found though.

dolphingarden · « **Reply #21 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 23:36:39 »

Why wouldn't the Ninja be coated though? I'd imagine that the entire keycap would be coated regardless of the fact that only the sides are printed. Isn't this the case with regular majestouches?

noodles256 · « **Reply #22 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 23:40:11 »

wlcm 2 gh

daerid · « **Reply #23 on:** Mon, 13 June 2011, 15:36:29 »

Just popped my Ctrl key off and held it under a light. Couldn't see anything like the picture you posted. But it was flourescent lighting, not sure that would really do what you need.

gl0ry · « **Reply #24 on:** Mon, 13 June 2011, 15:38:34 »

tenkeyless or 104...... HELP!

I like numpads, but I want to be a hipster!

daerid · « **Reply #25 on:** Mon, 13 June 2011, 15:42:47 »

Rock a tenkeyless. All the cool kids are doing it.

You wanna be cool, don't you?

gl0ry · « **Reply #26 on:** Mon, 13 June 2011, 15:50:07 »

All the cool kids are doing tenkeyless...

Does it feel good? Is it safe?

litster · « **Reply #27 on:** Mon, 13 June 2011, 16:04:31 »

I haven't received mine yet. But I looked at a key from my friend's ninja. I don't remember seeing amy water spots under the cap.

daerid · « **Reply #28 on:** Mon, 13 June 2011, 16:49:53 »

Quote from: gl0ry;360171

All the cool kids are doing tenkeyless...

Does it feel good? Is it safe?

Lol. Actually, yeah it feels great. And it's perfectly safe! Safer than unprotected sex or drug use anyways

drsauced · « **Reply #29 on:** Mon, 13 June 2011, 17:03:07 »

I'll dissent, I got the 104 because it's just a bigger keyboard. More ninja keys, maximum pleasure. I'm using mine at work, too, so the Ninja must be 104 for the data entry.

redpill · « **Reply #30 on:** Mon, 13 June 2011, 17:15:01 »

I believe with a 104 key your cost per switch is lower.

Or you could always buy a separate keypad if you enjoy filling up slots on your USB hub.

litster · « **Reply #31 on:** Mon, 13 June 2011, 18:22:32 »

Can you tell us now what is better, coated vs. uncoated, and why? Thanks.

Backward_Pawn · « **Reply #32 on:** Mon, 13 June 2011, 20:28:00 »

I'm a little late with this one, but I can also confirm that there are no water marks inside my keys.

gl0ry · « **Reply #33 on:** Mon, 13 June 2011, 20:40:26 »

Quote from: Backward_Pawn;360330

I'm a little late with this one, but I can also confirm that there are no water marks inside my keys.

Well, I think that's 4 people now. I guess it's safe to say they're definitely not coated! Which is a great thing if you ask me.

The Solutor · « **Reply #34 on:** Mon, 13 June 2011, 22:39:46 »

Quote from: gl0ry;360162

tenkeyless or 104...... HELP!

I like numpads, but I want to be a hipster!

Buy a filco mini then.

The only filco that is worth buying

morethanless · « **Reply #35 on:** Tue, 14 June 2011, 11:51:47 »

Quote from: ripster;360360

...Although right now these Ducky/KBC PBT laser engraved keys are proving amazingly resistant to shining up.

I'd have to say this $35 set is beating the Topre $275 keys ($78 for replacement set) at two months of wear. And a lot less prone to wear than ABS Double Shots. Mine are real shiny and building a complete keyboard from Cherry Corp donor boards is no easy task.

You want to say the PBT's from imsto have better wear resistance than doubleshots?
Just, so I understand it correctly.

litster · « **Reply #36 on:** Tue, 14 June 2011, 12:00:56 »

My ninja arrived this morning, 10 days (including a weekend) after I ordered with free shipping. And here is the packaging.

YIKES!

litster · « **Reply #37 on:** Tue, 14 June 2011, 12:01:58 »

Quote from: ripster;360609

Yes.

Pretty apparent already. After two months I was starting up a pretty good shine on Cherry Corp doubleshots. Right now I can see a VERY slight shine on my spacebar on my KBC/Ducky PBTs.

I haven't tried my Signature Plastic ones on a keyboard yet.

I may have to invest a sand blasting setup like yours, ripster.

litster · « **Reply #38 on:** Tue, 14 June 2011, 12:07:20 »

ripster, meant to ask you, which one do you like better for feel, ducky PBT or Cherry 2shots? Thanks.

litster · « **Reply #39 on:** Tue, 14 June 2011, 12:11:33 »

Ah, that is the sticky feeling I get from the old Wyse discolored 2shots. I keep thinking my hands are dirty. The texture on PBT is nice though.

dannyp · « **Reply #40 on:** Tue, 14 June 2011, 12:49:53 »

Quote from: litster;360619

I may have to invest a sand blasting setup like yours, ripster.

link? i wanna see the sandblastery

litster · « **Reply #41 on:** Tue, 14 June 2011, 13:00:30 »

Just have it setup at work, typing on it now. If I put my ear right next to the keyboard, I can hear it pings when the key bottoms out. Maybe it is coming from the plate. On a few keys (not all), you can hear the spring does its springie sound when you release the cap.

But typing with your ears next to the keyboard is very bad for your back and you can't see the screen. So I don't do that. When I type with my normal sitting position, I only hear the keys bottoms out, which is perfect.

litster · « **Reply #42 on:** Tue, 14 June 2011, 13:06:33 »

I think appreciation of things is a coming of age thing. I am almost there.

canon.tk · « **Reply #43 on:** Tue, 14 June 2011, 14:04:13 »

That's typical Amazon keyboard packaging. At least the tenkeyless ones don't come in boxes that are way too big for them.

morethanless · « **Reply #44 on:** Tue, 14 June 2011, 15:56:29 »

Quote from: ripster;360609

Yes.

Pretty apparent already. After two months I was starting up a pretty good shine on Cherry Corp doubleshots. Right now I can see a VERY slight shine on my spacebar on my KBC/Ducky PBTs.

I haven't tried my Signature Plastic ones on a keyboard yet.

Can you say something in the sound?
Which one is quieter? PBT or doubleshot ABS?

pineapplopolis · « **Reply #45 on:** Wed, 15 June 2011, 13:53:38 »

My Ninja finally arrived from Amazon. The packaging was worst than litster. Same box but didn't have the plastic air padding to keep it from shifting back and forth. But it sounds normal to me, no ping or ring or whatever.

alaricljs · « **Reply #46 on:** Wed, 15 June 2011, 13:57:26 »

Quote from: pineapplopolis;361249

My Ninja finally arrived from Amazon. The packaging was worst than litster. Same box but didn't have the plastic air padding to keep it from shifting back and forth. But it sounds normal to me, no ping or ring or whatever.

So anyone with a pinging board should pack it poorly and throw the box against the wall a few times. You know, to prove that will or won't fix the problem

redpill · « **Reply #47 on:** Wed, 15 June 2011, 14:49:48 »

Actually he provided evidence of a loose switch before and after resoldering. Ya know, the sound files you had to claim were "doctored" because otherwise you'd have to admit defeat

The Solutor · « **Reply #48 on:** Wed, 15 June 2011, 18:32:00 »

Quote from: ripster;361276

The Solutor will tell you it's a soldering manufacturing error despite any evidence.

Evidence already provided, even if logic should be moooooaaar than enough to understand it.

Quote

This is known as Italian Logic.

Better than your american one. First we jail people in guantanamo, then we see if they are guilty, isn't it ?

The Solutor · « **Reply #49 on:** Wed, 15 June 2011, 18:35:55 »

Quote from: ripster;361288

Yeah, I didn't believe it though.

Look what he did to my Macro Nikkor shot! That lens is praised for it's lack of distortion. Perspective error - crooked Filco keys are as common as Filcos that ring as loud as Quasimodo.

Italians understood perspective before discovering America, so it's normal for Americans to be a little late on this, but not so late... :smokin:

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Author Topic: Thinking of buying a Filco Ninja Majestouch-2... (Read 14779 times)