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Offline Astounding

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« Reply #100 on: Sat, 25 June 2011, 16:28:56 »

Offline The Solutor

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« Reply #101 on: Sat, 25 June 2011, 16:29:37 »
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Wait, I think I missed something


Yes clearly you did.

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« Reply #102 on: Sat, 25 June 2011, 16:36:18 »
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Typical of pointless fetishist sheep. When you can't "assimilate" other people, when you can't keep up with their toughs, start insulting them, maybe they reply with the same tone and will be banned.

Isn't it ?

 
Well, you're the one saying that buckling springs shouldn't be conisdered by newbies for some arbitrary reasons. Then you accuse me of having some sort of sheep fetish just because I want people to open their minds. You need more love in your life, man.

I like how you ignored all my other excellent points, is this a concession of defeat?

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« Reply #103 on: Sat, 25 June 2011, 16:50:27 »
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You need more love in your life, man.

 
Yes I need people respectful for the other's ideas.

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Then you accuse me of having some sort of sheep fetish just because I want people to open their minds.


Oh yes, people should open their minds and should accept your weird ideas.

Topres are reasonably priced, and hard to assemble, bucking springs are the ideal keyboard for newbies and are also nice looking, brown switches are extreme switches, and so on...



Yes we should all open our minds... :pound: :pound:

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I like how you ignored all my other excellent points


Ahahahahaha.

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is this a concession of defeat?


Ahhahhahaha.
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« Reply #104 on: Sat, 25 June 2011, 16:54:54 »
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Yes clearly you did.

In 15 years, and likely 55000 messages in the forums of half world I never insulted anyone, "for free"

No, You just use a lot of red herrings.

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« Reply #105 on: Sat, 25 June 2011, 17:02:09 »
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No, You just use a lot of red herrings.

 

So my poor English suddenly become so good ?

I just think that, as always happen, when someone notice (and report) that the king is naked, every one in the court becomes nervous.

Typical.
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Offline Astounding

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« Reply #106 on: Sat, 25 June 2011, 17:08:29 »
The real question here is, why am I waiting for a ducky 1087 or a leopold or filco tenkeyless blue, when the PLU M-87 is already available?

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« Reply #107 on: Sat, 25 June 2011, 17:09:09 »
Maybe you want better than 2KRO ?  I keep hearing that the NKRO claim is BS.
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« Reply #108 on: Sat, 25 June 2011, 17:09:22 »
Depends whether or not you require nkro. Do you play FPS games?

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« Reply #109 on: Sat, 25 June 2011, 17:11:52 »
But from what I understand nkro is all a bunch of hype and bs, the modifiers don't count and I've never pressed more than two normal keys at once time in the last 13 years of gaming... build quality and key feel is quite important to me though, as well as durability.

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« Reply #110 on: Sat, 25 June 2011, 17:13:09 »
Well nkro isn't necessary, but 6-kro does make a noticeable difference in FPS.

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« Reply #111 on: Sat, 25 June 2011, 17:13:53 »
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Well nkro isn't necessary, but 6-kro does make a noticeable difference in FPS.

I play a lot of FPS though and I'm wondering what combinations would be an issue? I'm on a rubber dome right now that retails for USD 2.50 and I have no issues...

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« Reply #112 on: Sat, 25 June 2011, 17:14:48 »
Well personally, I noticed a difference. But I'm not going to sell it to you.

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« Reply #113 on: Sat, 25 June 2011, 17:15:56 »
Here's Ripster's list
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Offline Astounding

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« Reply #114 on: Sat, 25 June 2011, 17:16:03 »
From what I understand it's not some sort of performance difference, it's the board locking out when multiple keys are pressed.  What difference are you referring to?

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« Reply #115 on: Sat, 25 June 2011, 17:18:23 »
Let's say you're circle strafing and then you try to duck/jump. One of the keys will probably lock up without 6-kro.

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« Reply #116 on: Sat, 25 June 2011, 18:33:13 »
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Topres are reasonably priced, and hard to assemble, bucking springs are the ideal keyboard for newbies and are also nice looking, brown switches are extreme switches, and so on...

 
Please show where I made any of these claims.

I like how you laughed in agreeance of my other points. That's a good start.

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« Reply #117 on: Sat, 25 June 2011, 18:41:29 »
Just re read this topic, the one called the audiophile effect, the one called we need a 5$ topres or something similar and you will find all your pearls...
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« Reply #118 on: Sat, 25 June 2011, 18:46:55 »
I've said that Topres are good keyboards when considering the keyboard aspect alone. I've said on many occasions that Topres are quite expensive for what you get. I'm sure I've even questioned if they are worth the money. If you want to show an example of me saying that Topres are reasonably priced, please feel free to show some evidence. Burden of proof lies on the accuser where I grew up.

While doing so, please show examples of where I claimed the other things. Again, burden of proof is on you.

Offline False_Dmitry_II

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« Reply #119 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 01:16:08 »
Sheesh. This turned into quite the war.

1. The op most definitely meant that he didn't feel like it was responding unless he bottomed out. He definitely wants more tactility. Blacks are a terrible plan. @OP I even bottom out when I use clears, so i don't particularly try not to. No reason you should try not to either.

2. There is no reason why BS wouldn't be a good first board. Especially since it would actually be a second board since he hates browns for the same reasons that I will never try them. They were my second board, the second (that i remember) to try, and the first that I bought on purpose.

If looks are that huge a factor, that can always be rectified later with rit dye, etc. The weight is not a negative, that generally signifies quality. In keyboards and PSU's, and plenty of other things.

3. Relatedly, NKRO as a factor is completely stupid. It can be nice to have, but is in no way needed for games. I used the same $4 rubber dome for 4-5 years (never shinied, only just now starting to lose part of a very small number of letterings) and I'm sure it was 2kro. Never noticed the difference. One reason is that I always use 5 button mice, and put jump and crouch on buttons 4 and 5. There is literally no possible conflict, and can be much more comfortable depending on the game.

A second reason is, out of all wow subscribers, how many do you think actually know anything about computers? About keyboards? I would wager that a large majority are using terrible rubber domes and not noticing anything. That's one of the biggest use-every-key-on-the-board games i've ever seen.

Another reason is that I went through the entirety of fear 2 just now on a model m and did not make those button assignments (because the game didn't let me directly in settings, first one in a while I've seen do that. Too lazy to use outside proggies to do it like I used to have to do.) Had jump on spacebar, bullet time on left control, look down the sights on left shift, crouch on caps lock. Zero issues during the entire campaign (circle strafing and such included).

4. Yes unfortunately there are lots of types of board out there. That's why when I started, the most I ever spent on one was $30. I only just now have a cherry blue board, and I haven't really plugged it in for long yet. Sell your browns and buy a bunch of other stuff. For alps, a dell or a focus would be about that. Same for a model m. From ebay or the classifieds.

I can see why cherry blues would be bad for double clicking because of the jumping bean action. There are space invader switches that feel and sound nearly identical, but the click (and tactility) is from a white "click arm" that moves in a track. So it should be good for that too. These run $30-50. Also from ebay or the classifieds. I like them alot.

Then for clears, like I said, go to the great finds section and fine the one talking about $20 clear board on ebay or something like that. Can probably offer $10 for one. These things have extra keys that can be macroable, and have NKRO.

Can probably get all that stuff for what you sell your browns for.
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« Reply #120 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 01:52:39 »
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Sheesh. This turned into quite the war.

1. The op most definitely meant that he didn't feel like it was responding unless he bottomed out. He definitely wants more tactility. Blacks are a terrible plan. @OP I even bottom out when I use clears, so i don't particularly try not to. No reason you should try not to either.

2. There is no reason why BS wouldn't be a good first board. Especially since it would actually be a second board since he hates browns for the same reasons that I will never try them. They were my second board, the second (that i remember) to try, and the first that I bought on purpose.

If looks are that huge a factor, that can always be rectified later with rit dye, etc. The weight is not a negative, that generally signifies quality. In keyboards and PSU's, and plenty of other things.

3. Relatedly, NKRO as a factor is completely stupid. It can be nice to have, but is in no way needed for games. I used the same $4 rubber dome for 4-5 years (never shinied, only just now starting to lose part of a very small number of letterings) and I'm sure it was 2kro. Never noticed the difference. One reason is that I always use 5 button mice, and put jump and crouch on buttons 4 and 5. There is literally no possible conflict, and can be much more comfortable depending on the game.

A second reason is, out of all wow subscribers, how many do you think actually know anything about computers? About keyboards? I would wager that a large majority are using terrible rubber domes and not noticing anything. That's one of the biggest use-every-key-on-the-board games i've ever seen.

Another reason is that I went through the entirety of fear 2 just now on a model m and did not make those button assignments (because the game didn't let me directly in settings, first one in a while I've seen do that. Too lazy to use outside proggies to do it like I used to have to do.) Had jump on spacebar, bullet time on left control, look down the sights on left shift, crouch on caps lock. Zero issues during the entire campaign (circle strafing and such included).

4. Yes unfortunately there are lots of types of board out there. That's why when I started, the most I ever spent on one was $30. I only just now have a cherry blue board, and I haven't really plugged it in for long yet. Sell your browns and buy a bunch of other stuff. For alps, a dell or a focus would be about that. Same for a model m. From ebay or the classifieds.

I can see why cherry blues would be bad for double clicking because of the jumping bean action. There are space invader switches that feel and sound nearly identical, but the click (and tactility) is from a white "click arm" that moves in a track. So it should be good for that too. These run $30-50. Also from ebay or the classifieds. I like them alot.

Then for clears, like I said, go to the great finds section and fine the one talking about $20 clear board on ebay or something like that. Can probably offer $10 for one. These things have extra keys that can be macroable, and have NKRO.

Can probably get all that stuff for what you sell your browns for.


1. He said the MAIN problem is that the keys are too light and theres barely no resistance, then he went on to say that he spam the same key alot

thats why cherry mx blacks would be his best choice

2. If he can find a BS board with more than 2KRO then sure it would be fine

3. Hilarious you are using WoW to show that you don't need more than 2KRO. Its probally the least demanding game out there and nothing like a serious esports game like starcraft 2

You absolutely need to be able to press more than 2keys at once in many many games including starcraft 2

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« Reply #121 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 04:02:15 »
... hmm I don't know how this thread got out of hand so quickly... stop fighting guys :(

anyways, I've offered a price on that $20 Cherry Clear board on ebay (thx for that False Dimitry) but I'm not sure if he will accept my offer or not...
and where can I find that space invader switch keyboard???

I want to try the cherry mx blacks too just in case - does anyone know where I can get a cherry black board for under $50?

I think I found some White and Black Alps boards for around $20 on Ebay so I think I'll try them out too lol...

I can't seem to find a BS board around $20... they all seem to go up to $50 with shipping... are they worth the try?

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3. Hilarious you are using WoW to show that you don't need more than 2KRO. Its probally the least demanding game out there and nothing like a serious esports game like starcraft 2

You absolutely need to be able to press more than 2keys at once in many many games including starcraft 2

Hmm.. I played until I got to rank 3 masters in sc2 with my laptop keyboard which is 2kro (some ppl mentioned) and I don't think nkro is really needed in starcraft... because you don't really mash keys together, you press keys separately very fast... hmm I guess they are kind of same thing but I didn't really have problem with my 2kro keyboard so far... or I just didn't notice while I was playing...

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« Reply #122 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 04:04:01 »
Oh and if you guys can offer me cheap boards with cherry blue / black / clear / White ALPS / BS
I'm mainly looking to spend around $20 ~ $60 for each boards...
Pm me please :)

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« Reply #123 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 05:17:35 »
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I think I found some White and Black Alps boards for around $20 on Ebay so I think I'll try them out too lol...


I'd give the Blacks a miss if you're also getting the Whites, the Blacks are very much inferior.

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I can't seem to find a BS board around $20... they all seem to go up to $50 with shipping... are they worth the try?


Very much so, great keyboards and they sound like what you might need from your description.

This seller usually has good ones. Not sure what the shipping will be like though.

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« Reply #124 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 06:06:58 »
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I'd give the Blacks a miss if you're also getting the Whites, the Blacks are very much inferior.



Very much so, great keyboards and they sound like what you might need from your description.

This seller usually has good ones. Not sure what the shipping will be like though.

 
How are blacks inferior? They are the longest lasting switch and best for gaming

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« Reply #125 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 06:11:35 »
Black Alps

Black Cherries are pretty decent IMHO.

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« Reply #126 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 12:33:02 »
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Black Alps

Black Cherries are pretty decent IMHO.

hmm i thought white alps was better than black alps... >_>

and what are black cherries? are they diff from cherry mx blacks?

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« Reply #127 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 12:37:43 »
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and what are black cherries? are they diff from cherry mx blacks?


They are the same.

They are linear and stiff, IMO exactly the switch you don't want, after reading your first post.
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« Reply #128 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 12:40:56 »
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They are the same.

They are linear and stiff, IMO exactly the switch you don't want, after reading your first post.

alright, I guess I'll try black only if I can find a really good deal.. or I think I might be able to find some of my friends that has steelseries 7g or 6gv2

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« Reply #129 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 12:41:58 »
Oh and what is the diff between black and white alps??

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« Reply #130 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 12:43:57 »
I'm not an expert of alps switches, btw you can find anything about them in the wiki section.
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« Reply #131 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 14:57:42 »
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hmm i thought white alps was better than black alps... >_>

and what are black cherries? are they diff from cherry mx blacks?

 
White Alps are good, not sure where I said otherwise. White Alps are clicky and Black Alps are non clicky. White Alps are also much more tactile than the Blacks.

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« Reply #132 on: Sun, 26 June 2011, 16:51:43 »
I have the same issue as you, browns are way too light, and blacks are perfect but dont have tactile feedback.

I think i will return by brown switch board and get a blue.