Author Topic: Razer Deathadder Double Click -> new mouse? (Read 24836 times)

Lester · « **on:** Sat, 02 July 2011, 09:33:49 »

So, my Razer Deathadder is double clicking 30% of the time when I press the left mouse button (it double clicks when i only press it once)

Anyone has any idea how to solve this? Or does anyone know a better mouse then the deathadder I could buy? (I use the mouse a lot for gaming, maybe a Steelseries Xai?)

Thx,
Lester

Lester · « **Reply #1 on:** Sat, 02 July 2011, 11:13:45 »

Hmmmm

I wonder now do I should try to fix it or just destroy it an buy a Xai.

Bilbin · « **Reply #2 on:** Sat, 02 July 2011, 11:34:52 »

If you think about getting a Xai make sure they'll let you send it back since 9 out of 10 of them have an absurd amount of positive acceleration.

peda · « **Reply #3 on:** Sat, 02 July 2011, 11:51:05 »

i have a Xai for about 1 year now and could not be happier.

The only thing is that it doesn't track optimal on every surface. I have the feeling when using a QCK+ is doesnt perform as well as it could.

Get a hard mousepad with it (or use just the table) and be happy.

I know about the positive acceleration but 9 out of 10 should be exaggeration.

Bilbin · « **Reply #4 on:** Sat, 02 July 2011, 12:17:15 »

Back when they got released that's how it actually was, not sure how it is now.

Only people that were sponsored by SteelSeries could be bothered using a Xai, unless of course you were a noob.

Lester · « **Reply #5 on:** Sat, 02 July 2011, 13:07:47 »

If the Xai has a lot of problems, which mouse would be a decent one then?

peda · « **Reply #6 on:** Sat, 02 July 2011, 13:14:20 »

Quote from: Lester;372034

If the Xai has a lot of problems, which mouse would be a decent one then?

The ones I am interested at the moment are the R.A.T. and the new mamba with the 4g sensor.

I think they should be both good mice?!

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Bilbin · « **Reply #7 on:** Sun, 03 July 2011, 05:43:28 »

RAT is ****, 4G sensor is ****.

Logitech MX518/G400 (same mouse pretty much)
Razer DeathAdder
Razer Abyssus
Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 3.0
Microsoft IntellMouse Optical 1.1
Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical 1.1

peda · « **Reply #8 on:** Sun, 03 July 2011, 05:57:01 »

Quote from: Bilbin;372355

RAT is ****, 4G sensor is ****.

haha, are you keep trying to bait me?
i didnt get it before but your trolling is sweet

HaiiYaa · « **Reply #9 on:** Sun, 03 July 2011, 12:11:56 »

Quote from: peda;372357

haha, are you keep trying to bait me?
i didnt get it before but your trolling is sweet

Hes saying the truth. If you care about the perfomance of your mouse those mice have a much better sensor than the R.A.Ts and 4g

Other mice with great sensors are zowie mico and cm storm spawn

peda · « **Reply #10 on:** Sun, 03 July 2011, 12:39:23 »

what makes me think is that he calls it **** with no evidence whatsoever.

I didn't use either of the mentioned mice but first of all, the R.A.T. gets pretty good reviews in general and, even more important in this very forum, there is evidence that the tracking/precision is superior to other mice: look here at post #12
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?19427-does-anyone-make-a-full-sized-wireless-mouse

Also nobody really tested the 4g sensor yet. Nobody can show me evidence either for being as good as razer says it is, nor that is **** and has faults.

Unfortunately people tend to bash instantly on certain things.

Also if you read back, you will see that i marked the sentence "I think they should be both good mice?!" with both a ? and a ! to indicate that i didn't make a statement but an uncertain information-request.

Nevertheless, i tried to help Lester find a replacement for his dying mouse and i have personal very good experience with the Xai i own myself for about 1 year. Therefore i can give a recommendation for it.
And i also showed my interest in those 2 particular mice as they seem to have the greatest technical improvements on the field of (gaming) mice. I don't know if these improvements work and even if they are useful, but both the R.A.T. and the 4g sensor are novelties. That makes them interesting and definitely worth a look at.
I don't mind to be proven that these are "****" but to do so, some evidence (or personal experience) has to be shown to me. Only saying that they are not good, doesn't mean anything. (Except when you are the #1 mice expert in the world.

)

Lester · « **Reply #11 on:** Sun, 03 July 2011, 12:42:18 »

Thx for the info

Will most likely go for a xai then!
Any chance you could tell me how the "grip" of the mouse is on the sides and top peda? The thing that annoyed me about the DA always was the slippery / glossy sides it has.

HaiiYaa · « **Reply #12 on:** Sun, 03 July 2011, 20:08:22 »

Quote from: peda;372546

what makes me think is that he calls it **** with no evidence whatsoever.

I didn't use either of the mentioned mice but first of all, the R.A.T. gets pretty good reviews in general and, even more important in this very forum, there is evidence that the tracking/precision is superior to other mice: look here at post #12
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?19427-does-anyone-make-a-full-sized-wireless-mouse

Also nobody really tested the 4g sensor yet. Nobody can show me evidence either for being as good as razer says it is, nor that is **** and has faults.

Unfortunately people tend to bash instantly on certain things.

Also if you read back, you will see that i marked the sentence "I think they should be both good mice?!" with both a ? and a ! to indicate that i didn't make a statement but an uncertain information-request.

Nevertheless, i tried to help Lester find a replacement for his dying mouse and i have personal very good experience with the Xai i own myself for about 1 year. Therefore i can give a recommendation for it.
And i also showed my interest in those 2 particular mice as they seem to have the greatest technical improvements on the field of (gaming) mice. I don't know if these improvements work and even if they are useful, but both the R.A.T. and the 4g sensor are novelties. That makes them interesting and definitely worth a look at.
I don't mind to be proven that these are "****" but to do so, some evidence (or personal experience) has to be shown to me. Only saying that they are not good, doesn't mean anything. (Except when you are the #1 mice expert in the world. )

I had 25+ gaming mice so I know almost everything there is to know about gaming mice and their sensors including mice using the exact same sensor as the r.a.t 3,5,7 and 9 and the sensor in the r.a.t 7 + 9 is horrible

Philips Twin Eye PLN 2032 sensor in the rat 7+9 mice have several issues like tha z-axis bug, the jitter and problems with almost all surfaces than hardpads
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OvRDUVwLek

The problem with the avago 9500 sensor in the xai is the 5-6% inconsistent positive acceleration that leads to inaccuracies

The 4g used the exact same Philips Twin Eye PLN 2032 just with a optical sensor added, most likely the avago s3888 so it will still have the same problems as the Philips Twin Eye PLN 2032 and its just a gimmick with high dpi to compete in the dpi race with the other gaming companies.

Bilbin · « **Reply #13 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 02:04:52 »

Quote from: peda;372546

what makes me think is that he calls it **** with no evidence whatsoever.

Quite easy to see for yourself.

I think there's this thing called the internet, I've never heard of it though :S

Lester · « **Reply #14 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 12:48:25 »

Quote from: HaiiYaa;372772

I had 25+ gaming mice so I know almost everything there is to know about gaming mice and their sensors including mice using the exact same sensor as the r.a.t 3,5,7 and 9 and the sensor in the r.a.t 7 + 9 is horrible

Philips Twin Eye PLN 2032 sensor in the rat 7+9 mice have several issues like tha z-axis bug, the jitter and problems with almost all surfaces than hardpads
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OvRDUVwLek

The problem with the avago 9500 sensor in the xai is the 5-6% inconsistent positive acceleration that leads to inaccuracies

The 4g used the exact same Philips Twin Eye PLN 2032 just with a optical sensor added, most likely the avago s3888 so it will still have the same problems as the Philips Twin Eye PLN 2032 and its just a gimmick with high dpi to compete in the dpi race with the other gaming companies.

So what mouse you'd recommand for gaming?

HaiiYaa · « **Reply #15 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 13:18:40 »

Quote from: Lester;373135

So what mouse you'd recommand for gaming?

Depends on your style of grip and handsize

But the best mice possible atm for different gripstyles, judged on build quality and sensor performance

fingertip: zowie mico

clawgrip: cm storm spawn, zowie mico

palm: razer black edition(kinda heavy and bulky. Have a hight lift off distance), mionix naos 3200(prediction)

Lester · « **Reply #16 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 13:29:23 »

I palm grip, got rather large hands.
So the Xai and that good at all? I always thought it was one of the better mouse

HaiiYaa · « **Reply #17 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 13:54:57 »

Quote from: Lester;373166

I palm grip, got rather large hands.
So the Xai and that good at all? I always thought it was one of the better mouse

Its very good build quality. You just need to make sure you can live with 5-6% acceleration. Most people won't notice that

Lester · « **Reply #18 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 14:02:15 »

Quote from: HaiiYaa;373195

Its very good build quality. You just need to make sure you can live with 5-6% acceleration. Most people won't notice that

Hmm, probably I wont mind, do you happen to know if the deathadder has any acceleration?
I just wand a mouse with good grip, and it seems the Xai has got a nice surface for good grip, the thing I disliked about the deathadder is the slippery side plastic

HaiiYaa · « **Reply #19 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 14:15:14 »

Quote from: Lester;373206

Hmm, probably I wont mind, do you happen to know if the deathadder has any acceleration?
I just wand a mouse with good grip, and it seems the Xai has got a nice surface for good grip, the thing I disliked about the deathadder is the slippery side plastic

The sensor in the deathadder don't have any problems at all. Its basicly flawless except the sensor will still track when you lift it up a little high. Some people don't like that

The new deathadder black edition don't have the slippery sides
http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.224620300/parentCategoryID.35208800/categoryId.40946100

peda · « **Reply #20 on:** Tue, 05 July 2011, 04:29:44 »

@Lester: i also palm grip but i have quiet small hands. i feels pretty good as the surface is some kind of 'rubberized plastic' on top and the sides. It shows no sign of usage beside of the steelseries-logo as my palm sits right on top of it.

@Bilbin: thanks for your quiet useless respones. Look at HaliYaa's responses and learn how to argue.

@HaliYaa: thanks for real contribution to the discussion!

The Solutor · « **Reply #21 on:** Tue, 05 July 2011, 04:51:46 »

Quote from: HaiiYaa;372772

I had 25+ gaming mice so I know almost everything there is to know about gaming mice and their sensors including mice using the exact same sensor as the r.a.t 3,5,7 and 9 and the sensor in the r.a.t 7 + 9 is horrible

I find it a great sensor, mounted in a idiotic mouse.

I can't see any of the problems mentioned in the forums of half world, but the mouse is really uncomfortable to use, no matter the physical configuration.

The side wheel is too back., the aiming button is too far, the whole mouse is too large, the skates placement is odd and so on, but the sensor is damn good and I can't see any Z axis problem.

RiGS · « **Reply #22 on:** Tue, 05 July 2011, 06:35:29 »

Quote from: HaiiYaa;373154

Depends on your style of grip and handsize

But the best mice possible atm for different gripstyles, judged on build quality and sensor performance

fingertip: zowie mico

clawgrip: cm storm spawn, zowie mico

palm: razer black edition(kinda heavy and bulky. Have a hight lift off distance), mionix naos 3200(prediction)

Why don't you recommend the Razer Abyssus?
I find it truly amazing. Probably the best mouse I ever had.

Tohveli · « **Reply #23 on:** Tue, 05 July 2011, 06:39:47 »

The razer abyssus has jitter issues(not all, the older models) but since you can't check the date on a abyssus it's a gamble to buy one(of course you can try rma). If you get a good one it's one of the best claw crip mice in terms of sensor.

Quote from: HaiiYaa;373154

palm: razer black edition(kinda heavy and bulky. Have a hight lift off distance)

The lift of distance problem can be fixed with some tape

HaiiYaa · « **Reply #24 on:** Tue, 05 July 2011, 07:29:14 »

Quote from: RiGS;373619

Why don't you recommend the Razer Abyssus?
I find it truly amazing. Probably the best mouse I ever had.

Because you have a good chance of getting one that jitters. If you get one that doesn't jitter then yeah its a good mouse. But alot of people find it uncomfortable too

MrAndersson · « **Reply #25 on:** Tue, 05 July 2011, 07:39:35 »

I am going to get the xai mouse for my next buy, will let you know if there is positive acceleration or not. i seen mixed reviews, but mostly good!

flaming_june · « **Reply #26 on:** Tue, 05 July 2011, 12:09:10 »

I got the xai, used it on both hard and soft pad. Tracking is a bit off, esp with the pos accel on hard.

RamaBot · « **Reply #27 on:** Tue, 05 July 2011, 12:11:50 »

I have 2 Xai's here. Both of them are fantastic mice.

If there is any positive acceleration then it is too small for me and my uber gamer Son to have noticed in the months we have been using them.

We use black Qck pads and neither of us have noticed any problems with tracking at all.

I have also tried the DVD test for lift distance and they both stop tracking at 2 DVD's on the Qck pads. So the lift distance is between 1 and 2 DVD's on the soft Qck pads.

peda · « **Reply #28 on:** Tue, 05 July 2011, 12:22:08 »

Quote from: RamaBot;373761

I have also tried the DVD test for lift distance and they both stop tracking at 2 DVD's on the Qck pads. So the lift distance is between 1 and 2 DVD's on the soft Qck pads.

The Xai has something Steelseries describes like that:
"To make sure you always have a 1mm lift distance, the sensor on the SteelSeries Xai automatically adjusts the lift distance, depending on the surface you’re using. If you are a low sensitivity gamer a minimal lift distance is extremely important so that the mouse will shut off the sensor when you lift your mouse up to change position."

cant really make much sense with that

@flaming_june: Which mousepads do/did you use?

Lester · « **Reply #29 on:** Tue, 05 July 2011, 14:51:43 »

Hmm, tough decision on what to choose now!

Thx for your input & information everyone

BelowMe · « **Reply #30 on:** Tue, 05 July 2011, 15:14:03 »

If it's any consolation, Xai have horrible customer service. I would steer clear of them until they get that corrected. Everyone always recommends the 518 but i hate how it feels. Very cheap. I currently use a Zowie EC2 which feels fantastic. Unfortunately, one of the side buttons is going to ****. So I say try the Mionix 3200 or 5000 depending on whether you like optical or laser, though the laser is expensive.

Astounding · « **Reply #31 on:** Tue, 05 July 2011, 19:22:00 »

I'll just leave this here....

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Microsoft-Habu-Razer-Gaming-Mouse-Win-XP-Vista-7-/390256101985?pt=Mice&hash=item5add138a61#ht_2382wt_1139

flaming_june · « **Reply #32 on:** Wed, 06 July 2011, 02:05:46 »

Quote from: peda;373765

The Xai has something Steelseries describes like that:
"To make sure you always have a 1mm lift distance, the sensor on the SteelSeries Xai automatically adjusts the lift distance, depending on the surface you’re using. If you are a low sensitivity gamer a minimal lift distance is extremely important so that the mouse will shut off the sensor when you lift your mouse up to change position."

cant really make much sense with that

@flaming_june: Which mousepads do/did you use?

Talent/Sphex, which is soft and hard. Xai mouse button also has the double click issue where my razer/logitech mouses doesn't/didn't.

Just FYI, the Xai also have the double click with a single click problem.

Lester · « **Reply #33 on:** Wed, 06 July 2011, 09:49:28 »

Lol my Deathadder is not just double clicking it's starting to triple-click also now

RamaBot · « **Reply #34 on:** Wed, 06 July 2011, 12:40:13 »

Are you sure you don't have parkinsons?

Maybe a doctor would be better than a mouse.

Lester · « **Reply #35 on:** Thu, 07 July 2011, 03:48:42 »

Haha yea I'm sure it's not me but my deathadder

Parabellum · « **Reply #36 on:** Thu, 07 July 2011, 10:33:52 »

Mousing excellence!

flaming_june · « **Reply #37 on:** Fri, 08 July 2011, 00:25:33 »

High LOD for most people, also got that mouse acceleration in the sensor. But still a very good mouse for those who aren't looking to play under 1000 dpi.

thp777 · « **Reply #38 on:** Sat, 09 July 2011, 13:47:26 »

i just got a razer naga yesterday and i love it if u need the extra buttons for anything its great. i got it mapped for 10 diffrenent apps so far

flaming_june · « **Reply #39 on:** Sat, 09 July 2011, 16:29:10 »

Try lifting up and down the mouse really quickly; You'll see your cursor move diagonally to the bottom right by an inch at a time. It's the PTE sensor. It's not for people who play with low dpi that like to lift off frequently. It also jitters to hell at high mouse speeds.

thp777 · « **Reply #40 on:** Sat, 09 July 2011, 18:44:31 »

eww it does guess thats why they make a dual sensor mouse also but the benefit of the extra buttons in wow and my 3d applications outweighs
the inaccuracy.besides i got a 2ft by 2ft stand that i use my mouse on so i dont ever lift up when im playing. also i have a wacom tablet mouse that i used as my mouse for last 3 years if i need accuracy.

flaming_june · « **Reply #41 on:** Mon, 11 July 2011, 02:36:42 »

If you play at high dpi it won't matter since you'll never lift up the mouse.

Lester · « **Reply #42 on:** Mon, 11 July 2011, 05:40:27 »

Ordered steelseries xai, mionix sensor is prolly better but I like the simple shape / rubberized material from the xai.
Should arrive tomorrow!

MrAndersson · « **Reply #43 on:** Mon, 11 July 2011, 07:34:38 »

nice Lester! I will order mine start of next month when i get some $$$ - let me know how it is for gaming

!

RamaBot · « **Reply #44 on:** Mon, 11 July 2011, 13:39:08 »

A quick tip for the Xai..

I found that the lift distance on some surfaces was a tad too high for my liking. So I stuck a little bit of the sticker that comes with it about a third of the way over the top half of the laser hole.
I now have a Xai with a lift off distance on my Qck pad of less then 1 DVD. It tracks perfectly and hasn't skipped once.
I think they over compensate with the light levels on high DPI mice to make sure they track on as many surfaces as possible. Sometimes this effects the LOD a bit.

Bilbin · « **Reply #45 on:** Tue, 12 July 2011, 07:23:50 »

Quote from: peda;373588

@Bilbin: thanks for your quiet useless respones. Look at HaliYaa's responses and learn how to argue.

Lmao!

You're a joke.

It was /thread after my post but OP is just a post count **** and asked the same questions that kept being answered.

peda · « **Reply #46 on:** Tue, 12 July 2011, 11:04:38 »

Quote from: Bilbin;378694

Lmao!

You're a joke.

It was /thread after my post but OP is just a post count **** and asked the same questions that kept being answered.

You are either an idiot or one of the most arrogant persons i have ever seen.

You think that when you post 'this and that is ****', everybody takes it for granted and it is the ultimate truth. Espacially without any evdince or anything. As far as i know, you are no known expert with lots of eductation and therefore your word is as good as the one i get of a caveman regarding any technology.

Also it was no /thread and lester is not a post-count-**** as the whole tread progressed until this point here (and lester decided to get a Xai). This would also be seen by you if you would be able to read comprehensively.

Lester · « **Reply #47 on:** Wed, 13 July 2011, 15:32:53 »

Quote from: Bilbin;378694

Lmao!

You're a joke.

It was /thread after my post but OP is just a post count **** and asked the same questions that kept being answered.

You're talking about me?

If there is something I DONT care about it's some stupid post count lmao.

@ Admin: pls reset my postcount to 0, Bilbin will get happy.

Mouse didn't arrive yet btw

No idea why, must be jammed somewhere, hope it'll arrive tomorrow maybe

Lester · « **Reply #48 on:** Sat, 16 July 2011, 06:04:20 »

Mouse arrived today finally after a long time!

It feels like a very nice sensor, tracks very good.
Also the feel in the hand is decent, but I do miss the Deathadder shape! (Used it for arround 2 years

), I miss it especially on my pinky, since it had a right-handed design and this one is ambidextrous, used it for arround 5-10 mins now, starting to get used to it already!

Feels solid, plays very nicely.
In case people wonder, the extra 2 buttons on the opposite side don't bother me at all, I never hit them accidentally.
The material used is also very nice, good grip.

Brodie337 · « **Reply #49 on:** Sat, 16 July 2011, 07:28:28 »

Quote from: thp777;377056

eww it does guess thats why they make a dual sensor mouse also but the benefit of the extra buttons in wow and my 3d applications outweighs

To my knowledge the dual sensor mouse is also based on the PTE.

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Author Topic: Razer Deathadder Double Click -> new mouse? (Read 24836 times)