Author Topic: Red will be the new brown (Read 29721 times)

keyboardlover · « **Reply #100 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 11:55:41 »

Quote from: HaiiYaa;373109

Reds are just flawless for me

keyboardlover · « **Reply #101 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 11:57:21 »

Quote from: ripster;373113

This concept is sometimes forgotten around here.

I agree. Sometimes it can be misconstrued through misinformation, hype or technical documentation.

Feel is the most important factor.

aggiejy · « **Reply #102 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 13:23:23 »

Quote from: keyboardlover;373114

Feel is the most important factor.

Which is why we need more try switch boards floating around!

keyboardlover · « **Reply #103 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 13:24:54 »

Hmm good point. Maybe another one of them is in order.

Input Nirvana · « **Reply #104 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 13:28:25 »

If there is something like that available for sale, I'm in. I had just added a line today to my sig about putting one together, but if someone has done it already I'll save myself the hassle.

magictoaster · « **Reply #105 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 13:40:09 »

I would love to try a keyboard with Cherry MX-Red, but they seem to be rather elusive (at least in Canada). I'm waiting for EK to start selling them!

As far as GH goes, I must admit to rather enjoying Ripster's crazy postings. Threads tend to get derailed frequently, but it adds to the "charm" of the forum. Some users should probably exercise restraint and avoid insulting others, but I'm new around here, so maybe I should just shut up!

Trueepower · « **Reply #106 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 13:50:02 »

Quote from: elitekeyboards;372779

"Never ever" is one week? I've been using them for over a year off and on. I'm unimpressed. They're so light with no tactility you almost always bottom out, so that might not be a problem most the time, but that doesn't mean it won't always not be a problem.

I'm not here to spread FUD, like I said, brown or red makes no difference to me, so arguing with me on this basis in any regard is of no utility. The point is that browns have been a staple for a long time, and for good reason, with good research and millions of hours of field testing; reds have not. The grass is always greener on the other side...

This post is one of them. It's not that you don't seem to have knowledge, its the way you talk. "The grass is always greener on the other side" ... So what you are saying is that people that prefer reds are using them because "the grass is greener on the other side".

It appears you have let posters on here get to you. Just post your facts, and or information. Opinions are good, but know what you can challenge. You can't tell me the color blue is better than green. That's what you said by "saying the grass is greener on the side". Blue is better than green. A jelly sandwich is better than a peanut butter one. It's a matter of taste. Has nothing to do with the grass is greener on the other side.

daerid · « **Reply #107 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 13:53:20 »

Quote from: Chobopants;373111

Like I said previously...I logged onto the IRC channel for a week and all it was was people who didn't contribute to the forum complaining about ripster/others and talking about bitcoin. The few times I asked for help about my Leopold all I got was made fun of for not using a BS/capacitive board. IIRC it was ripster who actually suggested I grease the stabilizers and see if it helps. So much for not being helpful.

I hang out in IRC, and in all honesty, you're pretty much right on the mark. There's even a bot set up in there that monitors all of Ripster's posts here at GH. It's a little creepy. At time it really just seems as though the most active members in IRC are just a group that has banded together over their shared dislike of Ripster. Kinda sad

DISCLAIMER: I myself have vented about rip once or twice in there, so I'm not trying to be hypocritical or anything, just sharing my opinion.

Quote from: Chobopants;373111

Also, most of these people coming on here and starting drama have been on the forum for < 6 months, I'm confused as to what makes them think that they have the right to dictate how it should work. Meh, just gotta hope it subsides I guess.

Internet Anonymity.

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #108 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 13:55:10 »

That could be a good idea. Something like this maybe?

daerid · « **Reply #109 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 13:56:36 »

PS: The problem with GeekHack is that the majority of people here are just way too touchy. Lighten up, we're talking about keyboards here. Not everything has to be "insulting". So what if elitekeyboards says "the grass is greener on the other side"? I mean, seriously? You're going to get upset about that?

We all just need to chill out and remember why we're here.

daerid · « **Reply #110 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 13:57:26 »

Pls bring GeekGirl back

Martin Sheen is just scary

keyboardlover · « **Reply #111 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 14:00:23 »

Quote from: ripster;373200

But yeah, kinda creepy. Like KL following me around. Those guys ARE "The Biggest Losers" in the Troll Poll and in Life.

Lolwut?

A. I never "followed" you around and

B. Which one of us spends more time per day on an Internet forum?

Zhuni · « **Reply #112 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 14:05:51 »

Quote from: daerid;373201

Pls bring GeekGirl back Martin Sheen is just scary

This please ^^^ my life hasnt really been the same since you changed your avatar

Chobopants · « **Reply #113 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 14:12:36 »

Quote from: lysol;373196

That could be a good idea. Something like this maybe?
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Hmm, not sure lysol. The distribution of Black/Red feels odd to me. Let me think about what I'd like a bit. I like having Blues on the F keys as they're the easiest for people to try (Blackwidow in a Best Buy or something), though.

Chobopants · « **Reply #114 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 14:13:25 »

Quote from: ripster;373200

Actually I am kinda complimented that IRC ONLY monitor my posts.

They are the most entertaining and most technically accurate.

But yeah, kinda creepy. Like KL following me around. Those guys ARE "The Biggest Losers" in the Troll Poll and in Life.

Get over it.
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This is a beautiful board! Maybe I should get some white engraved for my Blues.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #115 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 14:15:23 »

Quote from: ripster;373205

See.

What did I say.

Creepy.

Agreed. P.S. your yellow tones don't match.

Not awesome.

Trueepower · « **Reply #116 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 14:34:19 »

Quote from: daerid;373199

PS: The problem with GeekHack is that the majority of people here are just way too touchy. Lighten up, we're talking about keyboards here. Not everything has to be "insulting". So what if elitekeyboards says "the grass is greener on the other side"? I mean, seriously? You're going to get upset about that?

We all just need to chill out and remember why we're here.

Upset? No. This is interesting to me. To hear someone talk like this from his position (as a owner of Elitekeyboards). I wouldn't address anyone else who would make a statement like that.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #117 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 14:39:15 »

I remember why I'm here. For the cake.

By the way, the cake is a lie.

daerid · « **Reply #118 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 14:45:33 »

No, I wouldn't, and I don't. It doesn't change how I feel about that bot. I'm just expressing an opinion on something. It seems a little excessive, and not humorous at all (so yeah, I may be failing to see the humor there).

Besides, that logic's like saying "Oh he ran over a kid? That's ok, he donated a billion dollars to charity. So it's all good". Not necessarily that extreme, obviously, but it demonstrates the point.

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #119 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 14:57:00 »

Quote from: Chobopants;373212

Hmm, not sure lysol. The distribution of Black/Red feels odd to me. Let me think about what I'd like a bit. I like having Blues on the F keys as they're the easiest for people to try (Blackwidow in a Best Buy or something), though.

It's an idea I've been playing with as sort of an 'ergo' gaming board. Blacks on the main gaming cluster. Reds where you'd be more likely to be using the pinky since they are softer, white in the diagram = switches I don't want to press by accident while gaming ideally I'd like grey, but possibly put black there too. Browns for most of the alpha block as I like them best so far for typing... could decide to swap blues and browns though...

sordna · « **Reply #120 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 16:24:09 »

So to get things back on topic, do you believe the red switch will become more of a standard in the near future, and offered at the same price as the rest types of switches? Hopefuly elitekeyboards can provide some perspective on this!

ch_123 · « **Reply #121 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 16:27:23 »

It would be nice if Cherry started making the Clear switches in large quantities again, it seems like a decent all-rounder.

Too bad that's almost never likely to happen.

Chobopants · « **Reply #122 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 16:31:51 »

Quote from: acfrazier;373284

Alright, first let me touch on a few points here. (wall of text incoming)

I have a lot of **** going on in my life right now, the last thing I need is you guys ragging on me for something that happened in the past. I was mad, so what? It's over now and the thread was deleted in one case. There is no point digging up the grave. I know I really should not take it out on random people online, however that is one of my character flaws. Since I have no other friends, really, all I can do to talk about what's going on is on IRC or here, and frankly the people on IRC are very kind and understanding of my problems. If this is not the case here, then I shall depart and perhaps kindly ask iMav to delete my posts (ala webwit). If you want to dig up a grave, PM me about it, do not do it publicly. This is all I ask.

Contrary to popular belief, the IRC community is a nice bunch of people. Sure, we get off topic and discuss bitcoins or whatever, but such is the nature of a chat room. I know I'm going to get a one line reply from a few people for this, but C'est la vie.

Chobopants: One time occurrences are not a reason to form a bias on the community as a whole. If you spent more than 5 minutes in there (which, you didn't as my logs would dictate) you would know that most of the time we are a friendly bunch.

tl;dr: Knock it off. I've got too much **** going on and forum drama is the last thing I need.

Then your logs are wrong, man. I idled in there on/off for at least 2 weeks. So yeah, your logs are inaccurate. I spent quite a bit of time talking to the guys in there. It wasn't all bad but they sure spent more time hating on ripster than talking about anything useful.

daerid · « **Reply #123 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 16:56:31 »

Quote from: kalrykh;373283

Really? Because that's the same logic being used for Ripster. Oh, he was a major douchebag and went off the deepend? That's ok, he added a lot to the wiki, so it's all good.

You're right. But then I guess we just have differing opinions on his behavior. Yeah, he can be annoying, but then so can I, and so can you, and so can everybody else on this board.

RiGS · « **Reply #124 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 16:58:46 »

Where is the panda guy?

keyboardlover · « **Reply #125 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 16:59:04 »

Actually, I am never annoying.

sordna · « **Reply #126 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 17:00:06 »

Folks let's not derail this thread further. Opinion on the future of the reds?
Will it become standard / offered at same price, or will it stay limited-edition at a higher premium ?

Soarer · « **Reply #127 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 17:00:18 »

Chobopants (and daerid), I think you're being overly damning of it, although I too am not a fan of the bots. And as far as current events, IRC is no different to the forum really, which has been swamped with arguing and commentary, much as are you are making now, perhaps with a different viewpoint. In fact, it's mostly back to its normal self already, unlike the forum. But even before that, some of us moved to a quieter place to talk about making stuff, because of all the noise in there.

There is certainly no coordination amongst 'the IRC crowd'... each speaks only for him or her self.

Chobopants · « **Reply #128 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 17:06:13 »

Quote from: sordna;373317

Folks let's not derail this thread further. Opinion on the future of the reds?
Will it become standard / offered at same price, or will it stay limited-edition at a higher premium ?

Honestly hard to tell. I'd say there's a good chance that the demand might up its production, they're definitely interesting switches that have some value. I like them a lot though, if I had to pick only one switch between reds and blacks at this point I might just go with blacks because they're so neat to type on (the switches PUSH your fingers up quite actively!) and the choice between Brown/Red is clearly Brown for me. That said, I'm glad I have both and would encourage everyone to at least try every switch they can before forming strong opinions.

Soarer · « **Reply #129 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 17:07:47 »

Oh yes, the topic! I agree with EK in that if you don't want a clicky switch, start with browns. You may never feel the need to change! Although, I disagree that reds are better than browns if you're bottoming out, the force difference is tiny. I think much of the appeal of reds is in their exclusiveness, and many buyers of them might've been better served by browns... but that's just my hunch about it!

sordna · « **Reply #130 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 17:20:04 »

I'm sure there's folks allured by the exclusiveness. In my case however, having used browns for years, I was looking for a lighter feeling linear switch. That's how I discovered the red (I'm grateful to forums like GH for this information). Then I asked Kinesis if they could offer the Advantage with the reds, and in a few months I had the keyboard in my hands (click my sig). The switch surpassed my expectations! Mind you I've tried the usual linear switch (MX black) on a Maltron, and while I found linearity pleasant, I found the switch too stiff.
The red is "just right", at least for me. So I sure hope it will become a standard offering.

Soarer · « **Reply #131 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 17:26:29 »

Heh... 'many' was deliberately vague as to the numbers :-) Maybe 1 in 4, or more? I've no idea!

Oqsy · « **Reply #132 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 17:36:31 »

Quote from: Soarer;373318

Chobopants (and daerid), I think you're being overly damning of it, although I too am not a fan of the bots. And as far as current events, IRC is no different to the forum really, which has been swamped with arguing and commentary, much as are you are making now, perhaps with a different viewpoint. In fact, it's mostly back to its normal self already, unlike the forum. But even before that, some of us moved to a quieter place to talk about making stuff, because of all the noise in there.

There is certainly no coordination amongst 'the IRC crowd'... each speaks only for him or her self.

^
This is why I admire Soarer and his genius.

sordna · « **Reply #133 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 17:41:52 »

Argh. So much for staying on topic :-(

Sons, I am disappoint.

ch_123 · « **Reply #134 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 17:45:17 »

Quote from: Chobopants;373295

It wasn't all bad but they sure spent more time hating on ripster than talking about anything useful.

I'm going to have to agree, there were a lot of times when it descended into braindead stupidity, and when I was like "Guys wtf?" people started saying how I was an alt for Ripster and stuff like that. There were particular people who did that, who aren't the same people as those who do useful things, at least for the most part.

Then again, if Ripster is going to tar everyone with the same brush, I guess I shouldn't have bothered saying anything.

HaiiYaa · « **Reply #135 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 17:50:53 »

I came here to learn about keyboards, but I learned much more

Input Nirvana · « **Reply #136 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 17:52:03 »

Quote from: HaiiYaa;373345

I came here to learn about keyboards, but I learned much more

The gift that keeps on giving....

Soarer · « **Reply #137 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 17:59:07 »

Quote from: input nirvana;373343

MORE OFF TOPIC:

I sent this to Ripsters buddy (azfrazier) just now via PM:

Good lord... way to calm things down dude!

Input Nirvana · « **Reply #138 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 17:59:15 »

Quote from: ripster;373349

Last time I went on the IRC channel as Maude (know I know why that I was reported as Ripster - must have been the IRC bot popped it up) Kalyrkh was talking about anallube.

TRUE story. Probably in the logs somewhere.

Really, don't you guys have anything better to do?
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I work in San Francisco, and I can tell you this, almost all gay men discuss anal lube at some point. Not unusual. Me and my girlfriend laugh at the things we overhear.

Input Nirvana · « **Reply #139 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 18:02:43 »

It's ok. I have a character flaw.

HaiiYaa · « **Reply #140 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 18:03:30 »

:popcorn:

theferenc · « **Reply #141 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 18:06:02 »

Come on folks, I hate to be that guy, but can we please take the off topic stuff to another thread, preferably in the off topic forum? 152 responses so far, and what, 15-20 on topic?

Yes, I know this is off topic, but sometimes you just gotta say something.

Input Nirvana · « **Reply #142 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 18:07:16 »

Quote from: acfrazier;373360

Contradictory much?

If you really care and accept the responsibility, consider sending real apologies to the people you pooped on.
That's the point.

And completely ignore me if I do things you don't like...don't feed the fire. That's the ONLY WAY an unmoderated forum can work.

I think I have FINALLY made MY point.

Astounding · « **Reply #143 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 18:08:53 »

Quote from: ripster;373368

I clearly am the most interesting thing on the IRC channel so I'm just asking whose idea was it and how long has it been going on.

Would explain this weird stalker behavior lately.

Change your avatar back man, come on. It doesn't feel like GH anymore.

Input Nirvana · « **Reply #144 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 18:11:44 »

Now everyone can see how frustrated I am at the stupidity that continues. Don't feed the trolls, and stay 80% on topic and things would be better than great. I know most of you are frustrated too. Enough is enough.

Frustrating.

Input Nirvana OUT

Astounding · « **Reply #145 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 18:15:55 »

Quote from: ripster;373373

I agree this is off topic.

I'll be posting a thread is the Forum Suggestions area.

[video=youtube;mMDV3eISLPs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMDV3eISLPs[/video]

Stay on topic.... stay on topic!!!

RiGS · « **Reply #146 on:** Mon, 04 July 2011, 20:45:25 »

Quote from: ripster;373380

Believe it or not I generally stay on topic but use funny pics/videos/memes to comment and try and keep the humor light with all the haters around here.

No shame, in a friendly game!

AndrewZorn · « **Reply #147 on:** Tue, 05 July 2011, 20:33:45 »

I wasn't near a real keyboard when this was happening, couldn't join in the fun, now everyone's done?

spitfire6000 · « **Reply #148 on:** Wed, 06 July 2011, 03:46:55 »

I agree 100% with the original poster.

Only thing is...I prefer black switches to reds BIGTIME. I always felt that reds/browns are too light, and if i rest my hand on the keyboard while gaming, the keys would activate unintentionally because of the weight of my fingers. This never happens with a black switch, and is much more comfortable for me.

I agree totally with the tactile bump thing when it comes to browns...they are such a light switch, that youll never feel the bump anyways, and even after a few days of using it, I was wishing the bump was never there as well.

bcpk · « **Reply #149 on:** Wed, 06 July 2011, 04:47:16 »

Here's a video of someone typing on reds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1aOUc7JuoM

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