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Offline MKB

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Why realforce 86u (Why not 87 keys)?
« on: Fri, 22 July 2011, 21:50:03 »
Why the 86u and not an 87 key version?
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IBM Model F (Buckling Spring)
IBM Model M (Buckling Spring)
Northgate (White Alps)
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HHKB Pro 2 (Topre)
Deck Legend (Cherry Blacks)
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Offline Tempy

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Why realforce 86u (Why not 87 keys)?
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 22 July 2011, 21:51:29 »
i'm no realforce expert, but i think the 86k has 87 keys, it just refers to the model version? the 87u is newer
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Offline mmmty

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Why realforce 86u (Why not 87 keys)?
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 22 July 2011, 21:54:44 »
There is about $100 difference. And because it's harder to get 87U.
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Offline MKB

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Why realforce 86u (Why not 87 keys)?
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 22 July 2011, 22:49:25 »
Which model has the quiter keys? Aparently topre keys have gotten a bit quiter?
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Current:

Leopold Tenkeyless (Cherry Clears)
Leopold Tenkeyless (Cherry Reds)
Filco Tenkeyless Zero (White Fukkas)
Unicomp SpaceSaver 104 (Buckling Spring)

Past:

IBM Model F (Buckling Spring)
IBM Model M (Buckling Spring)
Northgate (White Alps)
Fujitsu (peerless)
HHKB Pro 2 (Topre)
Deck Legend (Cherry Blacks)
Deck 82 (Cherry Blacks)
Unicomp Customizer 104 (Buckling Spring)

Offline calavera

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Why realforce 86u (Why not 87 keys)?
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 22 July 2011, 22:54:42 »
The 87U has a silent version.

Offline MKB

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Why realforce 86u (Why not 87 keys)?
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 22 July 2011, 23:02:12 »
Which of the tenkeyless realforces should I consider?  What are folks favorites?
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Current:

Leopold Tenkeyless (Cherry Clears)
Leopold Tenkeyless (Cherry Reds)
Filco Tenkeyless Zero (White Fukkas)
Unicomp SpaceSaver 104 (Buckling Spring)

Past:

IBM Model F (Buckling Spring)
IBM Model M (Buckling Spring)
Northgate (White Alps)
Fujitsu (peerless)
HHKB Pro 2 (Topre)
Deck Legend (Cherry Blacks)
Deck 82 (Cherry Blacks)
Unicomp Customizer 104 (Buckling Spring)

Offline chongyixiong

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Why realforce 86u (Why not 87 keys)?
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 22 July 2011, 23:11:10 »
Quote from: mmmty;385697
There is about $100 difference. And because it's harder to get 87U.

Mostly because Leopold doesn't allow anywhere outside of Korea/Japan to sell them - making it seem like it's super hard to get.
Bah - I think I will be contented with just the 86U. Booya Leopold

Offline litster

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Why realforce 86u (Why not 87 keys)?
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 23 July 2011, 02:29:16 »
87U has an extra Windows key on the right side and an embedded numpad that 86U doesn't have.  The embedded numpad acts much like IBM Space Saving keyboard.  87U has more variations: variable weight, all 45g weight, all 55g weight, and the variable weight has a silent version, in white and in black.

Check out the topre wiki for more information.

Offline RiGS

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Why realforce 86u (Why not 87 keys)?
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 23 July 2011, 05:52:35 »
Check this poll.
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Offline MKB

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Why realforce 86u (Why not 87 keys)?
« Reply #9 on: Sat, 23 July 2011, 07:37:24 »
Thanks everyone.  Do folks like the silent version?
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Current:

Leopold Tenkeyless (Cherry Clears)
Leopold Tenkeyless (Cherry Reds)
Filco Tenkeyless Zero (White Fukkas)
Unicomp SpaceSaver 104 (Buckling Spring)

Past:

IBM Model F (Buckling Spring)
IBM Model M (Buckling Spring)
Northgate (White Alps)
Fujitsu (peerless)
HHKB Pro 2 (Topre)
Deck Legend (Cherry Blacks)
Deck 82 (Cherry Blacks)
Unicomp Customizer 104 (Buckling Spring)

Offline nhwhaup

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Why realforce 86u (Why not 87 keys)?
« Reply #10 on: Sat, 23 July 2011, 08:19:46 »
I have the 86U but if I could have purchased the 87U in the silent version I would have gone for that and paid the extra premium.  With the 86U I ended purchasing a separate number pad for when I'm working on spreadsheets so I ended up spending the extra money anyway.  Don't get me wrong, I do like the 86U but if I had options of both, I would definitely go with 87U.
Current in order of preference:  RealForce 87U Silent White with variable weighted keys X 2, Filco Majestouch 2 Tenkeyless with Linear Reds, Filco Number-pad, Poker with Linear Reds

Sold or returned:  Multiple Microsoft and Logitech keyboards, Das Keyboard Silent, Cherry 6140, RealForce 103UB, RealForce 86U, Filco Majestouch 2 full sized with Linear Reds

Offline redpill

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Why realforce 86u (Why not 87 keys)?
« Reply #11 on: Sat, 23 July 2011, 18:49:16 »
The regular Topre is already pretty quiet, I have the 55g version of the 87UB and I like it a lot.  It feels lighter than MX Blacks, much less tiring, yet you can strike them confidently without a harsh bottom-out.

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Offline RiGS

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Why realforce 86u (Why not 87 keys)?
« Reply #12 on: Sat, 23 July 2011, 18:54:53 »
Quote from: redpill;386010
The regular Topre is already pretty quiet, I have the 55g version of the 87UB and I like it a lot.  It feels lighter than MX Blacks, much less tiring, yet you can strike them confidently without a harsh bottom-out.

I absolutely disagree with you, it is only true when you bottom out the mx blacks as well.
However it is a lot easier to not bottom out mx blacks, and as a result it is quieter and less tiring.
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Offline RiGS

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Why realforce 86u (Why not 87 keys)?
« Reply #13 on: Sat, 23 July 2011, 19:00:54 »
Quote from: nhwhaup;385851
I have the 86U but if I could have purchased the 87U in the silent version I would have gone for that and paid the extra premium.  With the 86U I ended purchasing a separate number pad for when I'm working on spreadsheets so I ended up spending the extra money anyway.  Don't get me wrong, I do like the 86U but if I had options of both, I would definitely go with 87U.


I haven't tried the silent version, but I think it probably worth paying some extra. I don't like the rebound sound of the keys on the normal version.
I find it annoying, though probably most other Topre lovers don't share this opinion.

Feel free to vote in the poll above.
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Offline MKB

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Why realforce 86u (Why not 87 keys)?
« Reply #14 on: Sat, 23 July 2011, 23:51:59 »
What about 45g-55g -vs- varied... ?
________________________________
Current:

Leopold Tenkeyless (Cherry Clears)
Leopold Tenkeyless (Cherry Reds)
Filco Tenkeyless Zero (White Fukkas)
Unicomp SpaceSaver 104 (Buckling Spring)

Past:

IBM Model F (Buckling Spring)
IBM Model M (Buckling Spring)
Northgate (White Alps)
Fujitsu (peerless)
HHKB Pro 2 (Topre)
Deck Legend (Cherry Blacks)
Deck 82 (Cherry Blacks)
Unicomp Customizer 104 (Buckling Spring)