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Offline brandonspeed2006

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« on: Wed, 10 August 2011, 22:58:28 »
I currently have a Microsoft Sidewinder X6, it's super noisy. I went to Best Buy and opened a few and tried a few, not sure what the models were, been a while, but they all were really noisy, the Logitech Illuminated was the only low profile wasn't very noisy, but the space bar was pretty loud. Just looking for some general suggestions, my best option I've found thus far is this, and I really don't want to resort to this, but it's not bad, very quiet and sleek in my opinion. http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/wired-keyboard-600/ANB-00001 Thanks in advance everyone.

Offline redpill

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« Reply #1 on: Wed, 10 August 2011, 23:33:33 »
Topre Realforce 87U Silent
http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=topre_keyboards,rftenkeyless&pid=rf_se070s

That is if you have $345 burning a hole in your pocket :p

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Offline pitashen

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« Reply #2 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 01:57:37 »
sounds like this is your best bet:

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Offline liist

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« Reply #3 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 02:07:07 »
[video=youtube;-Kh7RWDRp8M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kh7RWDRp8M[/video]

Far quieter and way cooler than the cheapo Microsoft. Sure beats a touchscreen keyboard on a small ass phone, that's for sure.
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Offline N8N

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« Reply #4 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 05:37:51 »
I can type fairly quietly on Cherry MX whites or blacks.  Pretty much any other mechanical keyboard save for the aforementioned Topre is going to be louder.  You could get away with browns I suppose if you can type on them without bottoming out. (I can't.)
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Offline arplod

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« Reply #5 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 07:39:06 »
Don't bother listening to the Cherry switch or Topre guys. Any of these are going to be noisier than the X6, or indeed most half-decent rubber-dome keyboards.

The biggest non-keyboard-changing change you can make is to buy some damping pads - this will reduce the banging on the desk. Put two at the back. The X6 is pretty flat anyway and putting in a low-profile pad isn't going to destroy the typing comfort.
Something like this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Flatfeet-Sorbothane-audiophile-isolation-supports-/230633650425
(It can be hard to get hold of very small sorbothane feet, and these have worked the best for me)

As for more major changes, try a switch to a scissor-action keyboard. In conjunction with pads like the above, it'll get you pretty much the quietest possible action on a desktop. One of my faves in terms of practicality, comfort and action is the Logitech Illuminated.

Offline HaveANiceDay

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« Reply #6 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 08:42:29 »
I find most scissor switches to be very quiet.
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Offline N8N

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« Reply #7 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 08:54:51 »
Quote from: arpod;396941
Don't bother listening to the Cherry switch or Topre guys. Any of these are going to be noisier than the X6, or indeed most half-decent rubber-dome keyboards.


Probably true, however, typing style can have a lot of effect.  I use a board w/ PCB mounted clears at work and it's quieter than the new rubber-dome Dell that the person in the next cube up has... because she bottoms out hard on every keystroke.  Of course, you *have* to bottom out somewhat on a RD keyboard otherwise your key presses won't register - which is the biggest argument in my mind for moving away from one (and the reason that I ended up here in the first place... I was starting to have some discomfort in my hands after long sessions of typing on a typical employer-provided keyboard.)

I was also making the ASSumption that the OP was not only looking for a quiet keyboard but a mechanical one as well, otherwise why post to GH?
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Offline Johannes

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« Reply #8 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 11:07:13 »
Quote from: N8N;396953
I was also making the ASSumption that the OP was not only looking for a quiet keyboard but a mechanical one as well, otherwise why post to GH?
Maybe because the description for this section is:
Quote
dome, scissor, capacitive, mechanical, buckling-spring, laser, membrane, hall-effect, etc
And yeah, I'm with arpod, don't listen to the Cherry guys, especially not the ones who claim Browns are quiet. Even if you don't really bottom out they still produce quite a bit of noise, unless you type very gently. They are louder than most rubber domes and much louder than scissors.

Scissors are the quietest switches in my experience. I've had an UltraX and a Trust Isla, both of which are quiet. They feel much better than the typical $10 rubber dome as well, and don't cost a whole lot more. The feel isn't optimal though.. if feel is important you should probably seek out a high quality scissor.
« Last Edit: Thu, 11 August 2011, 14:42:13 by Johannes »

Offline SBI

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« Reply #9 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 11:36:07 »
Quote from: Johannes;397027
UltraX


This came to mind when I read the title. I'm not a big fan, but I used to have one of these at the office where noise was an issue, and after a bit of hitting it too hard it turned out to be quite the ok keyboard. Especially at it's price, it's not a bad deal.

Offline Mazora

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« Reply #10 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 11:48:08 »
Well, I have a Filco Majestouch with Cherry MX-Red switches. WIth the hard-landing pad from EliteKeyboards, it is silent.
« Last Edit: Thu, 11 August 2011, 12:05:59 by Mazora »
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Offline Johannes

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« Reply #11 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 12:01:58 »
Quote from: Mazora;397057
Well, I have a Filco Majestouch with Cherry MX-Red switches. WIth the hard-lending pad from EliteKeyboards, it is silent.
Please stop spreading misinformation. Look up "silent" in the dictionary if necessary. We don't need more Das terminology :P
« Last Edit: Thu, 11 August 2011, 12:04:34 by Johannes »

Offline Mazora

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« Reply #12 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 12:06:14 »
what's das?
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Offline Johannes

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« Reply #13 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 12:33:06 »
A phony company that calls Browns "silent".

Offline SBI

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« Reply #14 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 13:22:18 »
Quote from: Johannes;397089
A phony company that calls Browns "silent".

Well, apart from the product name itself, they're quite honest :D

Offline arplod

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« Reply #15 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 13:23:03 »
Yeah. There's already a not inconsiderable noise from just the return action from the switch - which is probably the main component of the sound from a Brown'd key. It's not every time most reasonably fast typists  bottom out a switch, and no matter how you configure the keycaps (which is one of the reasons I was sceptical / dismissive of the O-rings in the other thread) you're not going to damp out the actual sound coming from the switch to any significant degree.
« Last Edit: Thu, 11 August 2011, 13:26:05 by arplod »

Offline magictoaster

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« Reply #16 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 13:25:12 »
Well they do say "Das Keyboard Model S Professional Silent sports high-end, mechanical key switches that click less than its cousin, the Model S Professional. This quieter model is ideal for people working in an open environment or for workers who need to type while talking on the phone. ". It's kind of a stretch to say "Silent"... Typical marketing hyperbole.

Offline SBI

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« Reply #17 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 13:37:59 »
Quote from: magictoaster;397115
Well they do say "Das Keyboard Model S Professional Silent sports high-end, mechanical key switches that click less than its cousin, the Model S Professional. This quieter model is ideal for people working in an open environment or for workers who need to type while talking on the phone. ". It's kind of a stretch to say "Silent"... Typical marketing hyperbole.

That's exactly my point though. I mean, the product discription would be considerably less misleading if it wasn't called silent. They're not being phony when saying that the browns are less clicky and quieter. A drill is quieter than a jackhammer, doesn't make it silent ;)

Offline magictoaster

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« Reply #18 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 14:24:37 »
At least they do not ping... (now this thread is really going to get derailed!)
« Last Edit: Thu, 11 August 2011, 14:26:56 by magictoaster »

Offline theferenc

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« Reply #19 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 14:28:43 »
I'm sorry, but my HHKB and the RealForce I recently bought for my sister in law are much quieter than the Dell keyboard she had, the Logitech scissor switch her work gave her, or the chicklet POS on her Sony laptop.

Be dismissive all you want, but they are actually quite a bit quieter, both the way I type and the way she types. Then again, some scissor switch boards are just loud. The one that comes on some HP laptops is almost as loud as my Model M (bolt and floss modded, admittedly).

Topres, as so many here like to point out every chance they get, ARE rubber domes. So why would they be any louder than a rubber dome board, of which they are an exemplar?

And I've heard dampened reds. They are VERY quiet, depending on how you type. PCB mounted clears with landing pads are also quite a bit quieter than many rubber dome keyboards. They aren't particularly audible in the next room, like a Model M or many cheap rubber dome keyboards often are.
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Offline magictoaster

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« Reply #20 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 14:29:07 »
At least they do not ping... (now this thread is really going to get derailed!)

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Offline arplod

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« Reply #21 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 14:29:44 »
Quote from: ripster;397120
Welcome to Geekhack.

See Sig>Wiki>All About Scissor Switches.

MUCH quieter.  Almost anything would be better than that $15 Microsoft piece of crap.

Guaranteed ping free.
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The $15 piece of crap works just as well for me as a Brown Filco and is quieter even if I don't bottom the key on the Filco and do on the X6 :tongue:

Offline magictoaster

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« Reply #22 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 14:37:54 »
Quote from: theferenc;397153
I'm sorry, but my HHKB and the RealForce I recently bought for my sister in law are much quieter than the Dell keyboard she had, the Logitech scissor switch her work gave her, or the chicklet POS on her Sony laptop.

We have numerous (and atrocious) Dell rubber dome keyboards at work, and compared to the Topres, they are nowhere silent. I guess the the new Topre "silent" type would fare even better. I guess quality of the keyboard matters, and not just the type of switch.

Offline hoggy

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« Reply #23 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 14:44:35 »
Goldtouches are on the quiet side.  Mine is the quietest keyboard I own.  Quieter than the scissor switches on my laptop.
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Offline Brink

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« Reply #24 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 15:00:00 »
The Dell QuietKey is a quite popular rubberdome, I would think that board was quite silent... or is that just a misleading name?

Offline arplod

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« Reply #25 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 16:25:36 »
Not sure why anyone is still insisting mechanicals are the answer. Do you guys actually have a basis of comparison? Curious.

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Offline Johannes

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« Reply #26 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 17:53:19 »
Who invented the backwards and unusable half-size (or worse) fkey row anyway?
on topic: Mech or not is a matter of taste, but I think they are overhyped.
« Last Edit: Thu, 11 August 2011, 17:55:36 by Johannes »

Offline N8N

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« Reply #27 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 17:56:52 »
Quote from: arpod;397218
Not sure why anyone is still insisting mechanicals are the answer. Do you guys actually have a basis of comparison? Curious.

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I just like 'em, and am not convinced that a well-chosen mechanical is any louder than the Dell domes we have at work already.
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Offline Johannes

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« Reply #28 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 18:07:28 »
My Filco Browns are much louder than $10 domes even if I bottom out on the latter and not on the former.

Offline theferenc

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« Reply #29 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 18:07:28 »
Dell QuietKeys are actually anything but. They are quieter than the current models they ship with new builds, but good lord do they rattle a lot when you type on them.

At this point, I really do think the only quiet rubber dome keyboards which are commonly available are scissor switches, and even a lot of those are pretty noise. The Apple bluetooth model, for instance, makes a ton of noise when the person in the neighboring office is typing on it. It's totally absurd. I didn't even think a non-mechanical keyboard COULD make that much noise.

Oh, and take a look at the Unicomp "Enhanced Quiet Touch" models. They are rubber dome versions of the buckling spring keyboards (same body, different mechanism). They feel pretty damn nice, and they are very very quiet, with virtually no key rattle. I had a 122 key keyboard that had them, so it may have been a weight issue, but it was basically silent. Quieter than my HHKB, anyway (which only has a loud space bar, honestly -- which is likely due to how I hit it).
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Offline Johannes

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« Reply #30 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 18:11:44 »
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Oh, and take a look at the Unicomp "Enhanced Quiet Touch" models.
Nice. Shame the board is so huge.

Offline theferenc

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« Reply #31 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 18:15:56 »
That's what the SpaceSaver model is for. Not that much larger than the Logitechs or Dells on the market. Actually smaller than the MS Ergo 4k, I believe.
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Offline Johannes

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« Reply #32 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 18:25:17 »
Still numpad, stepped "caps lock" (ctrl), and too large gap between the numrow and fkeyrow though. How I await the perfect keyboard.. :)
(yes, the gap size is crucial for StarCraft)

Offline nhwhaup

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« Reply #33 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 19:04:51 »
I agree that the cherry reds with the soft landing pads are very quiet even when typing fast and furious.  My husband is quite nutty when I'm typing away in the living room.  The only keyboard that he hasn't complained about is the reds.  If I type carefully my reds are pretty near silent.....
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Offline Merlin

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« Reply #34 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 20:04:23 »
I'm not endorsing lycosa here btw, but an interesting noise test between scissor and mech.

[video=youtube;b9uF0iqTMMc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9uF0iqTMMc[/video]

Offline theferenc

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« Reply #35 on: Thu, 11 August 2011, 20:14:27 »
Well, consider there are no units on that, and we have no idea what the base is, all I can say is that the blue cherry mx switches seem to be about twice as loud as the scissor switches. And considering those are, by far, the loudest of the MX switches, I would say reds, clears, and topres are all probably in the same range as the scissors, just based on my ear, especially if you put the landing pads on the reds and clears.
HHKB Pro 2 -- Custom UNIX layout Unicomp Customizer 101 -- IBM Model M 1391401 (modded to UNIX layout) -- IBM 1397000 (also UNIX layout) -- SSK in UNIX layout -- Model F 122 key in UNIX layout (Soarer USB "native")
 
CST L-TracX trackball -- Kensington Expert Mouse trackball

Offline Johannes

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« Reply #36 on: Fri, 12 August 2011, 05:53:37 »
My Filco Browns are much louder than my scissors.

Offline arplod

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« Reply #37 on: Fri, 12 August 2011, 06:10:20 »
Quote from: theferenc;397351
Well, consider there are no units on that, and we have no idea what the base is, all I can say is that the blue cherry mx switches seem to be about twice as loud as the scissor switches. And considering those are, by far, the loudest of the MX switches, I would say reds, clears, and topres are all probably in the same range as the scissors, just based on my ear, especially if you put the landing pads on the reds and clears.

Pure conjecture.

Offline The Solutor

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« Reply #38 on: Fri, 12 August 2011, 06:24:34 »
Quote from: Johannes;397547
My Filco Browns are much louder than my scissors.


Any mechanical board is way more silent than the 99,999% of scissor based ones, whatever some mech integralists are saying.

Even the non clicky dampened ones, like the dampened alps or the o-ring modded MX, hardly are less noisy than most of the mainstream boards.
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Offline N8N

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« Reply #39 on: Fri, 12 August 2011, 06:36:55 »
I think that this may be a case of where cheaper is better - just got a Filco last night and it is my second plate mounted Cherry switch board and the first non-clicky one (browns vs. blues.)  It is distinctly louder than my two "rawko" Cherry brand boards (clears and browns) which use the same switches but are PCB mounted.  Most of the noise of the Filco comes from the stem returning to the top of the switch.  PCB is much quieter in that respect.

i'm still going to take the Filco in to work once I'm done modding some keycaps for it.  If anyone minds that subtle noise enough to complain about it, they don't have enough work to do.
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« Reply #40 on: Fri, 12 August 2011, 06:49:27 »
Is not only matter of PCB v.s. plate, try to swap the keycaps and you will see that a good part of the filco noise is due to the keycaps.
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« Reply #41 on: Fri, 12 August 2011, 06:51:12 »
Quote from: The Solutor;397554
Any mechanical board is way more silent than the 99,999% of scissor based ones, whatever some mech integralists are saying.

Even the non clicky dampened ones, like the dampened alps or the o-ring modded MX, hardly are less noisy than most of the mainstream boards.

This is just so much complete utter BS. What scissor keyboards have you used?

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« Reply #42 on: Fri, 12 August 2011, 06:57:10 »
Quote from: arpod;397563
This is just so much BS. What scissor keyboards have you used?


Mmmm... more or less any ?

Being an IT technician I touch any kind of keyboard. I can say safely that usually I touch 400 PC per year, there's something I missed or you had a sudden amnesia ?
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« Reply #43 on: Fri, 12 August 2011, 07:13:21 »
Guess the keyboard:
In no particular order, Filco brown, Topre variable, Sidewinder X6, Macally Icekey - one of the noisier decent desktop scissors due to it's scissor-mech clatter.

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@The Solutor
Correctly identify the noisiest keyboard as the scissor and I'll defer to your wisdom.

Otherwise, it'll be pretty evident to everyone that despite apparently being a huge enthusiast, you don't really have much of a clue - probably because you don't actually own anything beyond a prized mechanical and have convinced yourself it fits all situations / uses. You do realise having keyboards as a basis of your leetness is sad beyond words, don't you?
« Last Edit: Fri, 12 August 2011, 07:15:47 by arplod »

Offline The Solutor

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« Reply #44 on: Fri, 12 August 2011, 07:18:52 »
Quote from: arpod;397567

Correctly identify the noisiest keyboard as the scissor and I'll defer to your wisdom.
Otherwise, it'll be pretty evident to everyone that despite apparently being a huge enthusiast, you don't really have much of a clue


Haha....

You mention the X6 as a scisssor switch board, when is a rubber dome, and at the same time criticize the other user. ?  :pound:

BTW I've used the X6 for more than a year, is one of the crappiest RD ever seen, but surely isn't more loud than any of my actual mechs.
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Offline Findecanor

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« Reply #45 on: Fri, 12 August 2011, 07:20:50 »
Switch matters: click, friction, ping, clack, release
Key cap matters: thick, thin, echo, rattle
Stabilizers matter: "space bar thunk"
Plate vs. PCB-mount matters: absorb, transmit, amplify noise
Case matters: flex, echo, dampening, how the keys are attached to the case, case material
Desk matters: dampening mat, glass, wood

... and the user's typing style matters!

If you type hard, then a scissor switch board could be more loud than a board with Cherry MX Black or Clear.
If you type soft, then a scissor switch board could be virtually silent, but you would hear the ping from a Cherry MX Black or the friction inside Cherry MX Clear switches.
It matters also how you release the keys: do you lift the finger off the key faster than it goes back up by itself, or do you let the finger be lifted by the key?
Typists also tend to press and release different keys differently. Alphanumeric keys in one way, hit the Enter key in one way, press cursor keys in another way, etc.

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Offline arplod

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« Reply #46 on: Fri, 12 August 2011, 07:23:29 »
While some elements of that is true, the plain and simple fact is that there are noisy keyboards and there are quieter keyboards when used IN ANY MODE.


Quote from: The Solutor;397569
Haha....

You mention the X6 as a scisssor switch board, when is a rubber dome, and at the same time criticize the other user. ?  :pound:

BTW I've used the X6 for more than a year, is one of the crappiest RD ever seen, but surely isn't more loud than any of my actual mechs.

Where did I mention the X6 as a scissor keyboard?

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« Reply #47 on: Fri, 12 August 2011, 07:26:28 »
Quote from: The Solutor;397562
Is not only matter of PCB v.s. plate, try to swap the keycaps and you will see that a good part of the filco noise is due to the keycaps.

 
Not in my case... Filco has Cherry doubleshots :)  I don't even have the stock Filco keycaps.

I suppose I could try using Cherry PBT caps on the filco for a true all-things-equal test, but I'm still playing with it.
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Offline The Solutor

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Looking for a quiet keyboard
« Reply #48 on: Fri, 12 August 2011, 07:38:11 »
Quote from: Findecanor;397571

If you type hard, then a scissor switch board could be more loud than a board with Cherry MX Black or Clear.


Come on...

There's no way to consider a scissor switches noisier than a cherry board

I've just recorded a sample, typing normally and then hammering the keyboards, first an ergo clear, then a scissor keyboard (the recording sw shows the decibel of the ergo clear as doubled, but I don't think any measurement is needed, a couple of ears should be more than enough...)
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Offline theferenc

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Looking for a quiet keyboard
« Reply #49 on: Fri, 12 August 2011, 07:56:41 »
Quote from: arpod;397567
Guess the keyboard:
In no particular order, Filco brown, Topre variable, Sidewinder X6, Macally Icekey - one of the noisier decent desktop scissors due to it's scissor-mech clatter.

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Topre, Macally, Sidewinder, Filco, in that order.

From that, I agree that, for your typing style, the Sidewinder is the quietest. Let me repeat that, in case it wasn't clear: FOR YOUR TYPING STYLE.

You call my last comment pure conjecture. Without units, and an apparent base average around 50, the blues on the BW are twice as loud as the scissors on the Lycosa, on average. Those are clearly not dBs, unless that guy lives in an intensely loud environment, but that only matters in that the units he was using are clearly linear, while dBs are logarithmic.

So that instance of blues are, on average, twice as loud as that instance of scissor switches. With me so far? Good.

Now, to my ear, blues are roughly twice as loud as browns from the same manufacture. Personally, browns sound stupid to me, but whatever. Most of that noise is actually due to bottoming out and topping out, as the brown switch itself is pretty close to silent (don't believe me? test it yourself, but do not bottom or top out the key).

Now, on any keyboard, bottoming and topping out are going to happen sometimes, if not always. For those who have installed landing pads or don't bottom out, you've eliminated at most half the sources of noise. But any keyboard, at all, is going to have top out noise. This is, in most cases, the majority of the noise that is associated with typing. Keycaps matter, how they are attached matters, and many other things that I'm likely not thinking of at the moment matter.

Scissor switches do mitigate this somewhat, in that the topping out is controlled by the scissoring action, and there is no hard plastic on hard plastic sound. But scissors vary greatly in quality. I won't claim that the quietest mech is quieter than the quietest scissor. What I do claim though is that, on average, the quieter mechs (topres, padded reds, padded clears -- for whatever reason, they seem quieter than browns to my ear) are in the same sound range as the average scissor switch keyboards. That word, average, is quite important to this discussion. I have 3 examples, currently within arms reach, that are actually louder than my HHKB, with the way I type. I have another that is quieter, regardless of how I type.

There are no hard and fast laws here. Some versions of a specific model are louder than others. There is a large amount of variability in any mechanical system, including keyboards of all varieties. That's just reality. Given that, all we can actually discuss are averages. Take that for what you will.
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