Why rubberdomes are better than mechanical keyboards.

[Pretendo]

I didn't brush anyone off and I took everyone's opinion and gave them a reason on why it isn't valid (in my opinion) and that the compromises you make aren't justifiable. Being called a troll for a logical argument isn't a fair statement.

I have no problem with your actual opinion.  If you read my previous post, I agree that rubber domes can be quite useful for gaming!  Nintendo has stood true to them since 1984, and you'd be hard pressed to hear somebody argue that a Nintendo brand controller is clumsy and imprecise.  If rubber domes are the proper size, they are quite tactile and responsive.

The problem I have here is that you busted through the doors with the cardinal sin of Geekhack thread name posts in a brash, ignorant manner.  Why isn't this thread named:

"OPINION:  Rubber domes better for gaming."

or

"Are rubber domes better for gaming?"

This is the name you chose:

"Why rubberdomes are better than mechanical keyboards."

The name you use implies that a rubber dome board is better than a mechanical switch board for all uses, for all people.  To me, this isn't a "logical statement."  I am a computer programmer and freelance writer, so I use my keyboard heavily.  For me, the most comfortable, non-fatiguing typing experience is priority.  Paying a little extra for this is not a big deal, because my investment will be returned with less fatigue and more happiness!  There are people on this site who post full length articles on the pros and cons of every type of switch, in the hopes that people will be better informed about their buying decisions.  Your title is far to broad and provokes anger.

To clarify, I completely agree with the statement that, bang for buck, a well implemented rubber dome (scissor switch, not full travel) is a viable choice for gamers.

[insilica]

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The problem I have here is that you busted through the doors with the cardinal sin of Geekhack thread name posts in a brash, ignorant manner. Why isn't this thread named:

"OPINION:  Rubber domes better for gaming."

or

"Are rubber domes better for gaming?"

This is the name you chose:

"Why rubberdomes are better than mechanical keyboards."

The name you use implies that a rubber dome board is better than a mechanical switch board for all uses, for all people.  To me, this isn't a "logical statement."  I am a computer programmer and freelance writer, so I use my keyboard heavily.  For me, the most comfortable, non-fatiguing typing experience is priority.  Paying a little extra for this is not a big deal, because my investment will be returned with less fatigue and more happiness!  There are people on this site who post full length articles on the pros and cons of every type of switch, in the hopes that people will be better informed about their buying decisions.  Your title is far to broad and provokes anger.

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Very nicely said. TY Pretendo

[Slux]

I have no problem with your actual opinion.  If you read my previous post, I agree that rubber domes can be quite useful for gaming!  Nintendo has stood true to them since 1984, and you'd be hard pressed to hear somebody argue that a Nintendo brand controller is clumsy and imprecise.  If rubber domes are the proper size, they are quite tactile and responsive.

The problem I have here is that you busted through the doors with the cardinal sin of Geekhack thread name posts in a brash, ignorant manner.  Why isn't this thread named:

"OPINION:  Rubber domes better for gaming."

or

"Are rubber domes better for gaming?"

This is the name you chose:

"Why rubberdomes are better than mechanical keyboards."

The name you use implies that a rubber dome board is better than a mechanical switch board for all uses, for all people.  To me, this isn't a "logical statement."  I am a computer programmer and freelance writer, so I use my keyboard heavily.  For me, the most comfortable, non-fatiguing typing experience is priority.  Paying a little extra for this is not a big deal, because my investment will be returned with less fatigue and more happiness!  There are people on this site who post full length articles on the pros and cons of every type of switch, in the hopes that people will be better informed about their buying decisions.  Your title is far to broad and provokes anger.

To clarify, I completely agree with the statement that, bang for buck, a well implemented rubber dome (scissor switch, not full travel) is a viable choice for gamers.

Like I said, it was a poor choice of words just like saying it was a logical argument. I'm not talking about bang for the buck either, I'm talking about the best for gaming.

[Pretendo]

There is no "best for gaming."  The only way to know which switch is best for you is to try many different types for an extended period of time and come to that conclusion yourself.  People gather on this site because they were personally dissatisfied with the very switch you are promoting!  You won't change people's minds with your arguing. They are different than you and have different needs.

Anyway, I've wasted too much time on this thread.  Have fun making trouble

[Slux]

There is no "best for gaming."  The only way to know which switch is best for you is to try many different types for an extended period of time and come to that conclusion yourself.  People gather on this site because they were personally dissatisfied with the very switch you are promoting!  You won't change people's minds with your arguing. They are different than you and have different needs.

Anyway, I've wasted too much time on this thread.  Have fun making trouble

There is definitely a best switch for gaming. Switches such as blue are less optimal for gaming due to the click before the actuation point and it's misleading.

[Lanx]

this op is an obvious troll, with the choice of words to be rightfully trollish, on that note, good troll OP (of course OP then defends and apologizes for his initial trolling wording to make himself seem less trolly)
I'll just focus on the gaming arguments, not all mech boards are great for gaming, i use a cherry 4100 extensively as my htpc keyboard cuz it's small formfactor, but i would never trust it to double tap properly to save my life, the switches are gritty and too "slow" to "spring back" if i wanted a proper double tap, i'd rather trust my virtual 1up gaming life to a generic dell keyboard.

Saying rubber domes are good for gaming cuz consoles use them in gamepads is silly. Obviously the reason they're used, isn't because of their inherent tactile gaming superiority, it's cuz they're cheap and just make sense. stuff 4 gaming switch cherry equivalent switches into a game pad for the a,b,x,y (d-pad just impossible) would be silly, you just go and replicate the same d-pad on the a,b,x,y... why try and do cherry switch things or get 4 barrels and do some sorta non patented BS thing? There is a reason why those street fighter/soul calibur ppl get arcade sticks or make their own with those sanwa switches... maybe to mimick the arcade that they're used to, or cuz of the exact precision needed when you're playing a game you actual fire a punch off a specific frame and stuff (you street fighter, arcade stick ppl come chime in).

[HWI]

Like I said, it was a poor choice of words just like saying it was a logical argument. I'm not talking about bang for the buck either, I'm talking about the best for gaming.

There is no best for gaming. If there was then all the pros would be using the same thing and they aren't, some use rubber domes and others use a variety of mechanical switches.

I'll try and make an argument about the red switches. The red switches are lighter and have the linear feel for fluency but they also induce accidental presses and I think that's a worse compromise to have.

I disagree, if I made more accidental presses with reds then I wouldn't use them. Also, you didn't answer the question I asked in that post.

[HWI]

There is definitely a best switch for gaming. Switches such as blue are less optimal for gaming due to the click before the actuation point and it's misleading.

Obviously hasn't actually used the switches he is talking about and only repeats what he hears others saying. Disregard my previous post when I thought you were being for real.

[Slux]

There is no best for gaming. If there was then all the pros would be using the same thing and they aren't, some use rubber domes and others use a variety of mechanical switches.

I disagree, if I made more accidental presses with reds then I wouldn't use them. Also, you didn't answer the question I asked in that post.

I said in the original post that because it is high resistance in the beginning, it allows you avoid accidental key presses.

I never claimed that they were good because console controllers used them. The person who is being sarcastic through this thread said that.

[Slux]

this right here sums up 90% of the issues we have with new people posting these 'troll' posts on the forum.  the OP clearly hasn't ever tried a mechanical kb, so even his 'opinion' is theory, at best.

You are just making broad assumptions when you say I've never tried a mechanical keyboard. Regardless, even if the opinion is in theory, wouldn't you agree with the theory that I have shown you?

[ZeroGraVT]

If all I was going to do was game, then rubber domes would be fine.  But I don't, so I bought a mech keyboard.

[Slux]

1) no, not regardless.  had you any experience on a mechanical keyboard, you would have said so.  my opinion that your opinion is completely unfounded is just as valid as your own.  as a result, your theory holds no weight beyond presumptions.  in short, you don't know what you're talking about.

2) all you've shown is that you've done enough reading to know what you're talking about, but have absolutely no experience of what you're talking about.  in theory, that's fine.  however, you can't have a valid opinion, when your perspective covers only 50% of the argument.

You are being presumptuous making claims you know nothing about. You are obviously just being childish and trying to disagree without reason so I'll continue to wait for responses that actually benefit the topic.

[insilica]

1) no, not regardless.  had you any experience on a mechanical keyboard, you would have said so.  my opinion that your opinion is completely unfounded is just as valid as your own.  as a result, your theory holds no weight beyond presumptions.  in short, you don't know what you're talking about.

2) all you've shown is that you've done enough reading to know what you're talking about, but have absolutely no experience of what you're talking about.  in theory, that's fine.  however, you can't have a valid opinion, when your perspective covers only 50% of the argument.

how can you tell me that brussels sprouts suck at tasting good, when you've never tried them?  taste is subjective.  if you've never even tasted them, then what are you basing your opinion on?  an assumption?

ouch :laser:

[Slux]

Please revisit this thread

I'm honestly curious to know your opinion (and how/if it changes), theory isn't very relevant when it's subjective.  Buy a mechanical board, and then provide your impressions.  Then we'll have an intelligent conversation.

Posting that thread is irrelevant. I asked what a cheap alternative was because at the time I could not afford one. Do you assume because I never bought one, I haven't tried one out? So once again, you are just being presumptuous and making broad ignorant claims. You cannot have a intelligent conversation with someone who isn't intelligent.

[shrap]

Posting that thread is irrelevant. I asked what a cheap alternative was because at the time I could not afford one. Do you assume because I never bought one, I haven't tried one out? So once again, you are just being presumptuous and making broad ignorant claims. You cannot have a intelligent conversation with someone who isn't intelligent.

Please state how much experience you have gaming with mechanical keyboards, along with the specific switch in that keyboard (if known), and you'll have some kind of experience to back up your claim. Otherwise you seem to be simply getting in personal arguments for their own sake, which is pretty troll-ish behavior.

[Slux]

Are you telling me that the two points I made in my post are incorrect?  Please let us know what you're founding your opinion on, you've already shared with us what your theory is.

They are incorrect. I've tried blues browns and blacks. You haven't answered if you agree with the theory or not.

[alaricljs]

Be more specific about 'tried blues browns and blacks'  Because I swung by MicroCenter to make the final decision between blues and browns and 'tried' blues.  Trying consisted of typing away on a disconnected keyboard for maybe 30 seconds to a minute.  I picked browns because I didn't like the noise of the blues.

I 'tried' my Leopold w/ clears in the car after picking it off the mailbox on the way to my kids swimming... Trying it that way I was almost convinced it sucked.  I had no idea whether or not I was activating keys because I wasn't bottoming out and damned near couldn't while typing at speed.  Get home and plug it into the computer and the only key I had issues activating was the space bar.  This because I was used to being gentle on my browns so as not to produce very audible *slams* between words.

Have you used a cherry switch board attached to a computer to accomplish anything, be it games or email or whatever?

[Slux]

Be more specific about 'tried blues browns and blacks'  Because I swung by MicroCenter to make the final decision between blues and browns and 'tried' blues.  Trying consisted of typing away on a disconnected keyboard for maybe 30 seconds to a minute.  I picked browns because I didn't like the noise of the blues.

I 'tried' my Leopold w/ clears in the car after picking it off the mailbox on the way to my kids swimming... Trying it that way I was almost convinced it sucked.  I had no idea whether or not I was activating keys because I wasn't bottoming out and damned near couldn't while typing at speed.  Get home and plug it into the computer and the only key I had issues activating was the space bar.  This because I was used to being gentle on my browns so as not to produce very audible *slams* between words.

Have you used a cherry switch board attached to a computer to accomplish anything, be it games or email or whatever?

My friend owns a filco brown that I've used for an hour playing sc2 and I've used the steelseries 7g and blackwidow for 1 hour each at a store that let me play on them.

[c0rbin]

I essentially agree with the OP. For gaming.

I also like the feel of a cheaper keyboard for gaming since I like something that isn't so planted to the desk. I like something that can be easily moved around a bit for more comfort.

[Gin]

Ah ****. I guess I'm gonna have to upgrade to a rubber dome for starcraft2. Anyone wanna buy these Filcos?

[Findecanor]

Mechanicals are better built, have better durability, feel better, and are great for typist.

THAT IS A LIE ! YOU KNOW NOTHING !! YOU ARE JUST AN IGNORANT TROLL !!  POST YOUR FLAME BAIT ELSEWHERE !!












Just kidding.

But your statement was still incorrect. There are some really awful mechanicals out there... but they mostly vintage, out of production a long time ago.

You can't generalize and say that mechs are better for some typing and that rubber domes are better for gaming. There are different types of mechs, different rubber domes ... and different types of games, and gamers, and typists. Some claim that Cherry Blacks are awesome for FPS but that Cherry Blue are better for Starcraft, for instance. Some typists hate clicky IBM Model M but love low-profile scissor switch chicklet Apple Aluminum keyboards, and vice versa.
What it comes down to in the end is personal preference.

Personally, I love my keyboard with Cherry Clear switches because I think that they provide a feeling that is very much like rubber domes, but with the mid-point actuation of mechanical switches. But that is just my personal preference.

[alaricljs]

I have to admit that the clears do feel a lot like a rubber dome... the same exact rubber dome for every switch.  Which is unlike any rubber dome that I've ever used.  Great for typing... don't like it for gaming at all.

[Gin]

SOLD!

$10 shipped each?  they're crap anyhow right?

I think I'd lose money if shipping is more than 15 dollars since the board only worth 14.

[pitashen]

good for you sir.

[fohat.digs]

This thread made me go to Wikipedia to study the definition of the word "troll" which was surprisingly vague and unsatisfying.

There is certainly a lot of trolling going on here, no doubt.

I don't game, so my opinion is worthless. I am a touch typist, so tactile points and precision are very important to me.

The best rubber domes ARE better than the worst mechanicals, however - saying this as I type on my converted, bolt-modded, flossed, padded, Model F 122-key terminal, buckling spring, capacitive switch keyboard that may weigh as much as my monitor.

[fantus]

As in everything involving gaming it takes time to get used to a keyboard, this is similar to mice, games, monitors, headsets, .etc. Try using a mechanical keyboard for 2 weeks of gaming at least 3 hours a day and tell me your opinion (The amount of time I gave was arbitrary as it varies, but it is commonly a lot longer than 1 hour).
If you refuse this and also refuse to modify your post you will be admitting that your post was made off of prejudice, and your opinion is therefore invalid.
If you refuse to respond to this comment it will also make your opinion invalid because you are refusing constructive criticism, thus making you what many would define as a troll.
Have a nice day.

[dorkvader]

Blacks are not much heaver than most rubber domes.

The ancient blacks in my WYSE certainly FEEL lighter than my RD 'board.

For gaming.

Rubberdomes are better than mechanical keyboards for gaming due to the high resistance at the beginning and no resistance through. This ensures no fatigue and high accuracy because of the way rubberdomes work. You will always bottom out if you are playing intense matches and have to double tap repeatedly so the smooth motion is only useful for touch typing. Mechanicals are better built, have better durability, feel better, and are great for typist. Rubberdomes are better for gaming due to the point I said before. They just lack in the luxury part.

Eh, I disagree, even in theory. Here's my thing:

high resistance at the beginning and no resistance through.

Now, I use scissors wore frequently than RD's, but I have a logitech G15 in here that I'm repairing, as well as a logitech "throwaway board" that I use to test things. Both of them, I feel lots of force until roughly halfway through the key travel, then the dome collapses, and there's low resistance.

This ensures no fatigue and high accuracy because of the way rubberdomes work.

Once again, I disagree. Coming off RD's was strange for me, as I kept wanting to bottom out. Once I stopped that, I was able to go for a much longer timespan. The "work" (force X distance) of my fingers is lower, as the force required is less, and if I don't bottom out, the distance is much shorter. I think may will also agree in practise that mechanicals are better for fatigue. But, I'll also say that I don't usually game for more than a few hours, so this isn't an issue.

You will always bottom out if you are playing intense matches

I can easily keep control of myself, even in the most intense situations. I feel it's important to be able to excise a good level of control over my emotions and actions.

the smooth motion is only useful for touch typing

I don't really know what you're getting at here. The smooth motion of some mechanicals isn't as good for touch typing as the tactility of others. I love my unicomp! When I game (see above) I don't bottom out that much, really the same amount as to when I'm typing (and more on the reds, but that's to be expected for now). Since I don't bottom out that much, the tactility really helps me game faster on browns. I haven't tried my reds yet (stupid take-home thermo test) but I imagine it'll be pretty good as well.


Of course you do make a good point: If you bottom out your mechanicals constantly, then there probably won't be that much of a benefit of mechanical keyswitches, but if you're using them properly, then there's plenty reason. I've found that I can "ride the activation point" of a liner switch a lot faster than a Rubberdome. As the switch comes back up, i find it really takes too long for it to do so, whereas on a linear mechanical, I can "Jitter" my finger, and go fast.

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So that's my opinion. I've tried to justify it with some empirical evidence, and with some good, physical reasons. If there's anything I've said that isn't intelligent, I'd like to have a quick philosophical chat about the nature of intelligence, and how its' forms manifest themselves.

Edit: formatting and spelling

[hashbaz]

OP, you are a troll even if you honestly think you are not.  Sorry.

[dorkvader]

OP, you are a troll even if you honestly think you are not.  Sorry.

Is that even possible?

[isp]

reds win

[cactux]

For the same reason that "Ford is better than Ferrari"

[skwan]

OP: re: "trying out" mech keyboards, before I comment on the merit on your "theory craft" on switches, I do believe that your informed opinions may have been formed due to insufficient data/experience, and that they are not reliable.

I do agree with the other members here that trying out a key switch type at least takes a week or two.  Even now when I switch between my topre and brown and logitech scissors (and god forbid your average RD at public places) my accuracy and speed drops significantly (normal typing 100+ wpm drops to about 90) and takes about 10+ minutes to get up to within 5 wpm of my usual speed) So I reckon trying out a switch for the first time even takes longer to adjust.

To elaborate, as you mentioned, there may be "accidental presses" due to lower weight of the keys, however would you concede that you feel that your current RD don't have much accidental presses because you have become accustomed to the force, otherwise, your argument would only bring you to the conclusion that the heavier the switch the better, in which case it would probably still land you at a old IBM model M.

To further support my claim, when i switched from RD, i had lots of accidental presses for the first months or so, but now i have learned to not rest my fingers as hard on it, even during intense session of gaming, so it is just a matter of getting used to it.  

To take matter even further, i can even go as far as to argue that lighter switches now allows my hand to be more relax throughout and have dropped fatigue level during intense sessions, of course i am theory crafting here like you are, and this claim though i believe closer to the true picture, is more of a matter of opinion than fact.  

My theory craft also observed by a previous poster who says that since RD don't have a hard bottom like mech, in order to avoid the key not actuating (especially when you are just holding a key down) one may tend to press much harder than needed, especially in light of the fact that RD actuate at bottom slight removal of pressure would result in the key being released while mech have a good 2 mm of space.

You see how theory crafting is bringing us no where, i believe the right answer had been stated to you many times over, but you lack the experience to understand why it is the answer, and i so i repeat it here again, key switch choice is largely a matter of person taste, any attempt to justify it could not be purely on logic and the mechanics of the switch, and i don't think i exaggerate when i compare your thread here to a architect going to an art class trying to explain to everyone why Monet is better than Van Gough...

And to put you out of your misery, i believe the advice that would benefit you the most would most likely be buy a topre uniform 55 g and live happily ever after, but even then that is not fool proof, because due to your lack of experiences with other switch type, I don't think i should give any weight to the opinions you have given.  Kind of like going to a restaurant and asking the cook to recommend you a dish and you said i have tried fish and i like it, and i have smelled meat before and it didn't smell like fish, its just not a lot for us to go on.

[Demofly]

high resistance at the beginning. This ensures no fatigue

k

[peda]

Oh, It is this type of thread again...

/turnsaroundandmoveson

[litster]

Whoa!  What did I miss?  Hum, read the whole thread.  The thread went nowhere.  It is late. OP is probably sleeping under the bridge now.  

If I troll the troll, would that make me a righteous?

[Slux]

The ancient blacks in my WYSE certainly FEEL lighter than my RD 'board.



Eh, I disagree, even in theory. Here's my thing:

 Now, I use scissors wore frequently than RD's, but I have a logitech G15 in here that I'm repairing, as well as a logitech "throwaway board" that I use to test things. Both of them, I feel lots of force until roughly halfway through the key travel, then the dome collapses, and there's low resistance.

 Once again, I disagree. Coming off RD's was strange for me, as I kept wanting to bottom out. Once I stopped that, I was able to go for a much longer timespan. The "work" (force X distance) of my fingers is lower, as the force required is less, and if I don't bottom out, the distance is much shorter. I think may will also agree in practise that mechanicals are better for fatigue. But, I'll also say that I don't usually game for more than a few hours, so this isn't an issue.

 I can easily keep control of myself, even in the most intense situations. I feel it's important to be able to excise a good level of control over my emotions and actions.

 I don't really know what you're getting at here. The smooth motion of some mechanicals isn't as good for touch typing as the tactility of others. I love my unicomp! When I game (see above) I don't bottom out that much, really the same amount as to when I'm typing (and more on the reds, but that's to be expected for now). Since I don't bottom out that much, the tactility really helps me game faster on browns. I haven't tried my reds yet (stupid take-home thermo test) but I imagine it'll be pretty good as well.


Of course you do make a good point: If you bottom out your mechanicals constantly, then there probably won't be that much of a benefit of mechanical keyswitches, but if you're using them properly, then there's plenty reason. I've found that I can "ride the activation point" of a liner switch a lot faster than a Rubberdome. As the switch comes back up, i find it really takes too long for it to do so, whereas on a linear mechanical, I can "Jitter" my finger, and go fast.

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So that's my opinion. I've tried to justify it with some empirical evidence, and with some good, physical reasons. If there's anything I've said that isn't intelligent, I'd like to have a quick philosophical chat about the nature of intelligence, and how its' forms manifest themselves.

Edit: formatting and spelling

Here are some examples of pros playing that bottom out (you can hear and see them doing it) the entire game to ensure they pressed it or because of how light they are that they cannot help but bottom out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AawFtzVE2g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O1bOO15Fws&feature=relmfu

I did not deny that lighter mechanical switches would be less fatiguing, I said that they induce accidental presses because of how light they are and that it's a bad compromise.

OP: re: "trying out" mech keyboards, before I comment on the merit on your "theory craft" on switches, I do believe that your informed opinions may have been formed due to insufficient data/experience, and that they are not reliable.

I do agree with the other members here that trying out a key switch type at least takes a week or two.  Even now when I switch between my topre and brown and logitech scissors (and god forbid your average RD at public places) my accuracy and speed drops significantly (normal typing 100+ wpm drops to about 90) and takes about 10+ minutes to get up to within 5 wpm of my usual speed) So I reckon trying out a switch for the first time even takes longer to adjust.

To elaborate, as you mentioned, there may be "accidental presses" due to lower weight of the keys, however would you concede that you feel that your current RD don't have much accidental presses because you have become accustomed to the force, otherwise, your argument would only bring you to the conclusion that the heavier the switch the better, in which case it would probably still land you at a old IBM model M.

To further support my claim, when i switched from RD, i had lots of accidental presses for the first months or so, but now i have learned to not rest my fingers as hard on it, even during intense session of gaming, so it is just a matter of getting used to it.  

To take matter even further, i can even go as far as to argue that lighter switches now allows my hand to be more relax throughout and have dropped fatigue level during intense sessions, of course i am theory crafting here like you are, and this claim though i believe closer to the true picture, is more of a matter of opinion than fact.  

My theory craft also observed by a previous poster who says that since RD don't have a hard bottom like mech, in order to avoid the key not actuating (especially when you are just holding a key down) one may tend to press much harder than needed, especially in light of the fact that RD actuate at bottom slight removal of pressure would result in the key being released while mech have a good 2 mm of space.

You see how theory crafting is bringing us no where, i believe the right answer had been stated to you many times over, but you lack the experience to understand why it is the answer, and i so i repeat it here again, key switch choice is largely a matter of person taste, any attempt to justify it could not be purely on logic and the mechanics of the switch, and i don't think i exaggerate when i compare your thread here to a architect going to an art class trying to explain to everyone why Monet is better than Van Gough...

And to put you out of your misery, i believe the advice that would benefit you the most would most likely be buy a topre uniform 55 g and live happily ever after, but even then that is not fool proof, because due to your lack of experiences with other switch type, I don't think i should give any weight to the opinions you have given.  Kind of like going to a restaurant and asking the cook to recommend you a dish and you said i have tried fish and i like it, and i have smelled meat before and it didn't smell like fish, its just not a lot for us to go on.

The argument that you may feel more relaxed due to the lighter switches is the only valid thing I have seen which I also thought about before making the original post.

[Thinkpad Fan]

If gaming is your reason for chosing a keyboard - you are either a child (of any age) or a Welfare recipient.  Most of us past college age have more important things to do with a computer than waste valuable hours of our life self indulgently on one of the half million slight variations of Super Mario that constitute "computer games".   To what end?   Reminds me of my favorite gaming slogan - "World of Warcraft - Where 40 year old Virgins Unite!".  At some point, OP, you will have to grow up.  Sorry about that.

Most of us primarily use computers for things like family communications, jobs and information gathering to improve out lives, for instance.  For that a real keyboard - a mechanical keyboard - has no equal.  (When I was in college, I wasted a lot of time too, but that was long before personal computers.  Reality set in then, too - I had to get a job.)  

Yes, the OP is a Troll.   But he was modestly entertaining.  Hope he got what he came after.  Thinkpad Fan

[alaricljs]

Here are some examples of pros playing that bottom out (you can hear and see them doing it) the entire game to ensure they pressed it or because of how light they are that they cannot help but bottom out.

Or because they choose to.  I choose to bottom my browns.  I like it that way and I'm not changing.  I recently got clears, I don't bottom them out except sometimes the enter or space.  That's the way I want it, so that's the way I do it.

[peda]

Oh,  poor thinkpad fan....

No joys in life or why so angry?

Maybe we can get the geekhack-trust fund to get you a hooker to release the tension you have.

[Slux]

If gaming is your reason for chosing a keyboard - you are either a child (of any age) or a Welfare recipient.  Most of us past college age have more important things to do with a computer than waste valuable hours of our life self indulgently on one of the half million slight variations of Super Mario that constitute "computer games".   To what end?   Reminds me of my favorite gaming slogan - "World of Warcraft - Where 40 year old Virgins Unite!".  At some point, OP, you will have to grow up.  Sorry about that.

Most of us primarily use computers for things like family communications, jobs and information gathering to improve out lives, for instance.  For that a real keyboard - a mechanical keyboard - has no equal.  (When I was in college, I wasted a lot of time too, but that was long before personal computers.  Reality set in then, too - I had to get a job.)  

Yes, the OP is a Troll.   But he was modestly entertaining.  Hope he got what he came after.  Thinkpad Fan

I find that ironic that you make a post claiming that people have more important things to do than play video games yet you sit here typing this sentence that is a complete waste of time and is no benefit to yourself.

No one argued that mechanical keyboards were better for general purposes so you are just posting irrelevant things.

I'll continue to wait for someone isn't attempting to "troll" and make arguments that are irrelevant to the topic.

[peda]

reds win

actually this is the most true statement in this thread.

:first:

[stevster]

No one argued that mechanical keyboards were better for general purposes so you are just posting irrelevant things.

The thread is titled "Why rubberdomes are better than mechanical keyboards."

I think that's why it's such a flame bait and you are called troll so often...

[Slux]

The thread is titled "Why rubberdomes are better than mechanical keyboards."

I think that's why it's such a flame bait and you are called troll so often...

I believe I stated in the original post FOR gaming.

[alaricljs]

I believe I stated in the original post FOR gaming.

And even then it's still not 'true'.  You are welcome to your opinion, but much like my opinion of faith... Keep it to yourself or at least go on about it quietly.  Shouting from the rooftops is how people get shot.

[Slux]

And even then it's still not 'true'.  You are welcome to your opinion, but much like my opinion of faith... Keep it to yourself or at least go on about it quietly.  Shouting from the rooftops is how people get shot.

Prove me wrong.

[alaricljs]

Prove me wrong.

Uh yeah.. again, much like faith you don't want to be convinced, you want to argue or convince others.  I've presented my arguments and I'm not going to rail on like a preacher.  Others have given their opinions and again you just insist how wrong everyone else is.

[Slux]

Uh yeah.. again, much like faith you don't want to be convinced, you want to argue or convince others.  I've presented my arguments and I'm not going to rail on like a preacher.  Others have given their opinions and again you just insist how wrong everyone else is.

I believe I gave good reasons on why their opinions were wrong and I would love to be convinced, that's why I came here.

[keyboardlover]

I believe I stated in the original post FOR gaming.

Ok, so what you're really saying is 'rubber domes are better for FOR gaming'. I have no idea what that is, but I respect your opinion.

What annoys me is when people suck at a game and blame the keyboard. Like this one guy claimed cherry blues were bad for FPS. Then he posted a video of him running directly into smoke grenades in CS:S and getting sniped. Like duh, the keyboard isn't going to make you not suck!

[Slux]

Ok, so what you're really saying is 'rubber domes are better for FOR gaming'. I have no idea what that is, but I respect your opinion.

What annoys me is when people suck at a game and blame the keyboard. Like this one guy claimed cherry blues were bad for FPS. Then he posted a video of him running directly into smoke grenades in CS:S and getting sniped. Like duh, the keyboard isn't going to make you not suck!

I thought that was clear in the original post, it's the first thing I said actually.

[alaricljs]

Here's how it works (and I'm pretty sure this has been said before a few times)....

Do some research into what sort of switch might be of interest to you.  I *liked* my rubber domes, but they always ended up getting uneven key feel or the sliders started to bind and it didn't take long.  I decided on browns because I didn't like the noise of blues and wanted a tactile feel.  Clears were not readily obtainable in a new board at the time and not at all available in the form factor I decided on (87-key).  If you love RD, clear might be just what you're looking for.  Coming off of browns I think they're a little too heavy but very similar to RD without the whole bottoming out thing.

Get a keyboard with that switch type and use it for a few weeks.  Preferably as the only KB you use for everything.  Then try your old rubber dome.  I can't stand the exact same RD KB I really liked just before getting my mech KB.