Phantom Custom Keyboard Group Buy (CLOSED)

[dorkvader]

lowpoly-esque plate build? eh?

Sure: Like Lowpoly's Apple MO110
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:20898

More recently, there was another one, but I forget the name.

[Game Theory]

Agree with agor

[mkawa]

Sure: Like Lowpoly's Apple MO110
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:20898

More recently, there was another one, but I forget the name.

woah, weird but cool.

that reminds me, i want to pick that dude's brain about trackpoints.

[hashbaz]

Oh boy, makes me even more sad

If it makes you feel any better, buyers have to provide their own cases, or have purchased one of litster's acrylic cases, neither of which are cheap.

[agor]

No it doesn't
Probably would have tried a wood casing of some sort

[Game Theory]

Doesn't help me either

[hashbaz]

Lots of options to make your own though (within that 'provide') that are neither expensive or require a lot of skill.  cardboard, or corrugated plastic both work as a prototype medium, and once you have a functional template, transferring that to 1/4" acrylic isn't hard with basic hand tool knowledge.

the shop near me that i'm buying the plastic from in the first place is willing to take cad/sketch-up drawings and laser cut the acrylic so long as i buy it from them.

Nice, I might try to do something similar.  What are they charging you for the materials and cutting?

[mkawa]

i'm up for working on an open case design with folks, since i will be doing something similar. haven't decided on material yet, but leaning toward milled aluminum

[mkawa]

part of me wants to see how straight i can cut it myself using a router and jig.

straight enough for government work but not enough for enthusiast work. acrylic is a ***** to cut. it melts, a lot.

[TheProfosist]

I was wondering woulds my special plate even work? The concern is the F row. lootbag brought this up to me so i thought that i would check because he couldnt spot the places for the switches on the PCB and non of the other layouts have it. I forgot what template i used to make my layout but i want to make sure that its even possible.

[agor]

If someone has a spare
TEENSY
PHANTOM
PHISOWIN

Drop me a PM please

[captain]

Is anyone else getting repeated messages from email9@... claiming that you haven't paid, when you have?  Who do we write to to clear this mess up?

I would also like an extra TEENSY controller.  I guess I updated my order too late.  Anyone?

[captain]

There is a JavaScript embedded on the first page of this thread from moneytraders.biz.  Looks fishy.

[Zoxc]

Did anyone check if the PLU M-87 case fits?

[hashbaz]

There is a JavaScript embedded on the first page of this thread from moneytraders.biz.  Looks fishy.

Definitely PM iMav about this.

[dorkvader]

Did anyone check if the PLU M-87 case fits?

Yes. I forget who, but they got 3 from qtan, and affirmed filco compatibility. It was kind-of awesome.

[7bit]

Is anyone else getting repeated messages from email9@... claiming that you haven't paid, when you have?  Who do we write to to clear this mess up?

I would also like an extra TEENSY controller.  I guess I updated my order too late.  Anyone?

I only get updates from time to time. If you paid, just ignore them.

It is not like regular spam mail. In the end it will stop by itself and you get your keyboard or switches or whatever you ordered.

Extra TEENSY: This had been messed up. Not my fault that there where too few ordered.

[litster]

Is anyone else getting repeated messages from email9@... claiming that you haven't paid, when you have?  Who do we write to to clear this mess up?

I would also like an extra TEENSY controller.  I guess I updated my order too late.  Anyone?

You paid $173.49 as of Feb 21st.  If you made changes after we are closed and after you paid, then that is expected.  You haven't paid for the items you added after we are closed, have you?  Does the new amount match the new items you ordered after we are closed?

Did I mention we are closed, we are not taking orders anymore?

If you need a teensy, you need to order one yourself directly from the vendor.  Sorry.

[litster]

Yes. I forget who, but they got 3 from qtan, and affirmed filco compatibility. It was kind-of awesome.

That was TheProfosist.  From looking at pictures of PLU, it appears that PLU's case is very similar to Filco's case.  No one has said that they put a Filco case side-by-side with a PLU case and said that they are exactly the same, or no on has put a Filco innards into a PLU case or vis versa to confirm they are perfect match.  

They may as well be the same, but no one has "checked" as far as I am concerned.  Use the information at your own risk.

[TheProfosist]

That was TheProfosist.  From looking at pictures of PLU, it appears that PLU's case is very similar to Filco's case.  No one has said that they put a Filco case side-by-side with a PLU case and said that they are exactly the same, or no on has put a Filco innards into a PLU case or vis versa to confirm they are perfect match.  

They may as well be the same, but no one has "checked" as far as I am concerned.  Use the information at your own risk.

I bought based on measurements as they were exact so i didnt se a reason why they wouldnt fit. I tried getting people eho have bothe to do the swap temporarily but they all declined.

[mkawa]

i suspect the PLU case will fit more or less -- the fixation screw may be out of place (like the quickfire case). however, atm i think the quickfire case is quite a bit cheaper.

ps, lister: do you have an estimate on shipment times yet, or are we still waiting to hear back from 7bit's switch suppliers? i'm debating picking up a quickfire to use to make case measurements and do prototyping with... but if the boards are showing up in the next month or so i'll just wait.

[litster]

On the States side, BiNiaRiS has ordered everything except the digikey parts (or maybe he ordered them already), and me making another 40 7x stabilizer bars.  BiNiaRiS will receive the PCBs in 2 weeks or so.  I will need to send him all the 7x stabilizer bars that I will make.  Then he will sort and send the EU orders to 7bit.  Potentially, BiNiaRiS could send out orders that do not have switches.  Otherwise we have to wait for 7bit to order the switches, wait for delivery to him, and then have him sort and send all the switches for non EU orders to BiNiaRiS.  Then when BiNiaRiS receives the switches, he will need to sort them and pack all the parts and send them out.  I think it will be at least 2 months from now.

Also, I don't think Quickfire's case will fit.  The holes are at different places due partly to the removable cable and the cable gutters on the bottom case.

[mkawa]

ok thanks. i'll hold off.

[hashbaz]

On the States side, BiNiaRiS has ordered everything except the digikey parts (or maybe he ordered them already), and me making another 40 7x stabilizer bars.  BiNiaRiS will receive the PCBs in 2 weeks or so.  I will need to send him all the 7x stabilizer bars that I will make.  Then he will sort and send the EU orders to 7bit.  Potentially, BiNiaRiS could send out orders that do not have switches.  Otherwise we have to wait for 7bit to order the switches, wait for delivery to him, and then have him sort and send all the switches for non EU orders to BiNiaRiS.  Then when BiNiaRiS receives the switches, he will need to sort them and pack all the parts and send them out.  I think it will be at least 2 months from now.

Also, I don't think Quickfire's case will fit.  The holes are at different places due partly to the removable cable and the cable gutters on the bottom case.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kQ83_4RdkA#t=1m5s

[TheProfosist]

Coulds someone please tell me whether or not there are 2 extra switch spots on the PCB in the F row or not?

[litster]

I am not sure what you are asking for.  Did you take a look at the PCB picture on the first post?

[TheProfosist]

I am not sure what you are asking for.  Did you take a look at the PCB picture on the first post?

yes i did but am confused about the possible layout. my question is is the f row normal or can it be squished and add 2 keys? I think there is enough mounting holes to make it work but am un sure as i am the only one so far that has planned on using those.

[litster]

It is still unclear to me exactly *where* on the F row you want to add extra keys.  By F row do you mean the ASDF row, or the Function key row?

[TheProfosist]

It is still unclear to me exactly *where* on the F row you want to add extra keys.  By F row do you mean the ASDF row, or the Function key row?

The row with F1-12 i didnt use function because with my layout i have 2 Fn keys sorry.

[litster]

OK, progress.  Now that we know which row you want to add two keys, where on that row do you want to add two keys?

[TheProfosist]

OK, progress.  Now that we know which row you want to add two keys, where on that row do you want to add two keys?

Well in the row... I counted and there should be enough spaces on the PCB for them and i just looked at the plates and they are on the 7bit and also my modified one. So they are they like i though just had to confirm because lootbag though it wasnt possible for those keys.switches to be in the row.

[BiNiaRiS]

Well in the row... I counted and there should be enough spaces on the PCB for them and i just looked at the plates and they are on the 7bit and also my modified one. So they are they like i though just had to confirm because lootbag though it wasnt possible for those keys.switches to be in the row.

The PCB has room for essentially 14 F keys like on the 7bit layout. As long as your plate is cut to use those you can use them with no issues.

So:
ESC/F1-F14/Prt Sc/Scroll Lock/Pause

[litster]

I don't really know what you want your layout to be.  The thing to watch out for is that between F5 and F8, there are 9 switch positions, but you can only have 5 switches in that space physically and electronically.  You can also add one switch between Esc and F1.  I obviously have not actually tried this.  I just looked at the PCB picture.

[TheProfosist]

The PCB has room for essentially 14 F keys like on the 7bit layout. As long as your plate is cut to use those you can use them with no issues.

So:
ESC/F1-F14/Prt Sc/Scroll Lock/Pause

that what i thought thanks

I don't really know what you want your layout to be.  The thing to watch out for is that between F5 and F8, there are 9 switch positions, but you can only have 5 switches in that space physically and electronically.  You can also add one switch between Esc and F1.  I obviously have not actually tried this.  I just looked at the PCB picture.

I came to the same result and as for a layout ine would be the 7bit modified plate. im still working on the layout a bit but it almost down so i can get keycaps made by wasd in time for the phantom to be delivered.

[Changdrew]

Not sure if this has been asked before, but will there be any extras available for purchase? I just need the PCB, the teensy, and the plate, although other materials would be cool too.

[7bit]

I don't really know what you want your layout to be.  The thing to watch out for is that between F5 and F8, there are 9 switch positions, but you can only have 5 switches in that space physically and electronically.  You can also add one switch between Esc and F1.  I obviously have not actually tried this.  I just looked at the PCB picture.

LOL!!!

To confirm: It is possible to have 15 function keys, but only the 7BIT mount plate is capable of this. All other mount plates have the mount positions shifted by 0.5 units for F5-F8.

It will not work out of the box, you have to wire some of the function switches to something in the bottom row to get them all work.

Not sure if this has been asked before, but will there be any extras available for purchase? I just need the PCB, the teensy, and the plate, although other materials would be cool too.

There are no Teensys left, only PCB and plates.

And switches!!!

[dirge]

Chang I think a leftovers sale will happen. Does anyone know if the keycool case is compatible?

[bpiphany]

LOL!!!

To confirm: It is possible to have 15 function keys, but only the 7BIT mount plate is capable of this. All other mount plates have the mount positions shifted by 0.5 units for F5-F8.

It will not work out of the box, you have to wire some of the function switches to something in the bottom row to get them all work.

Hey! *grrr* I fixed that for ya! All switch locations are connected to the controller via PCB traces =D

[7bit]

Hey! *grrr* I fixed that for ya! All switch locations are connected to the controller via PCB traces =D

Thanks!!!!!!!!

I thought they are not working out of the box.

[litster]

I am pretty sure I tested all switch locations on the PCB and they are all connected, including locations that I don't care about :-)

[bpiphany]

... I added the extra switch locations to the function row that 7bit requested. Had to ditch the helper-holes for F5-F8 (who is going to hot swap their F-key stems anyway?). Did some icky rerouting and got all switches attached to the electrical wiring. So no jumper wires will be necessary (the logical matrix locations of the extra two keys are a bit off though).

I love you!

Thanks!!!!!!!!

I thought they are not working out of the box.

Get your stuff together ;o) From the controller logics view they are located in the spacebar row, but they are hooked up to it.

[Game Theory]

There are no Teensys left, only PCB and plates.

And switches!!!

When the extras are available for purchase will they be available in a new thread or still this original thread?  I'm interested in a 7bit plate, PCB, maybe some switches.

[captain]

I keep getting invoiced for bills I have already paid.  Who do I need to talk to in order to get this fixed?

[mbc]

I keep getting invoiced for bills I have already paid.  Who do I need to talk to in order to get this fixed?

Just ignore them

[Index]

I would like 1 plate and pcb if possible. =)

[TheProfosist]

Im glad i dont have to use wires for the 7bit. Is a working firmware going to be available right away?

Also has anyone gotten layer working in the firmware yet?

[litster]

It should be very simple to change the table in the source code to build a firmware version for this layout.  It should be less than 5 minutes if I know what you want at each of your switch locations.

[dorkvader]

But knowing what I want under each switch is the hardest part!

I suspect I'll be happy starting with a "normal" Dvorak layout, then adding and changing things until I'm happy. The ease of teensy makes all of this possible.

[bpiphany]

It's very easy to add layers to the layout. It can probably be done in some smart way, but the straightforward way of just checking "is my modifier pressed" before selecting which keypresses to send is no problem to get working.

[mkawa]

i will make all the things configurable when i get my teensy and board and am able to test code

i suspect i can do mousekeys and usb nkro too, whoever was asking for it.