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« Reply #550 on: Tue, 28 February 2012, 23:35:13 »
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and what do you mean direct donate? add an extra fee that will go straight to GH/iMav?

Like, an option to put 10% of the value of the order towards GH; Something that gives money as a result of the buy.
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« Reply #551 on: Tue, 28 February 2012, 23:36:00 »
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yep thats right
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yeah thats a good idea. That way you can total the order by how many members want.

i might just charge what iMav charged and be done with it. every extra goes straight to GH/iMav. this gb basically ruined all chances of selling extras to people that missed out and using the profits to go to the site since it'll be flooded with GH keycaps now.
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« Reply #552 on: Tue, 28 February 2012, 23:39:16 »
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i might just charge what iMav charged and be done with it. every extra goes straight to GH/iMav. this gb basically ruined all chances of selling extras to people that missed out and using the profits to go to the site since it'll be flooded with GH keycaps now.

Hardly. What you can look at is the fact that there has never been a resell for less than $2.50. Anything bought from this buy costs $.41 or less and reselling these for even $1 or $1.50 creates a profit that can go towards iMav.

If the decision to go with a solid pricing structure is made then I would say price them at $1. That is the price at which promotion can be made and people will buy more than one, and up to ten, but profits can be made at nearly all levels. As bad as it is that people will have 15-20 extras that they intend to sell straight after it is always good to have a good number sold so that the prices of the keys are not absurd. In my opinion, any buy that does not sell 500keys is being ripped off by SP's structure and any buy that reaches a price tier over 500ct is very successful.
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« Reply #553 on: Tue, 28 February 2012, 23:41:07 »
so mine will be triple successful ^.^


i like the idea of a dollar per keycap.
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« Reply #554 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 00:12:27 »
alright im done updating orders for the night. will update tomorrow.
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« Reply #555 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 00:18:22 »
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so mine will be triple successful ^.^


i like the idea of a dollar per keycap.

2.5x successful; I deduct .5x.

I like $1 a keycap too; its very modest.
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« Reply #556 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 00:34:04 »
I dunno if I like the idea of flooding keycaps I think $2.50 per cap was pretty good with iMav as it generate constant people since $1 you might not always get the same amount of people and I dunno about people that order like 100 of them but that's just me.

$2-$2.50 I think is good, definitely promotes the cap to be more unique, lowers the amount being produced while still bringing in donations to geekhack instead of this mass flooding of plastics

$1 doesn't really do much as it's still quite low you can still buy 100 of them if you want
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« Reply #557 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 00:39:43 »
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I dunno if I like the idea of flooding keycaps I think $2.50 per cap was pretty good with iMav as it generate constant people since $1 you might not always get the same amount of people and I dunno about people that order like 100 of them but that's just me.

$2-$2.50 I think is good, definitely promotes the cap to be more unique, lowers the amount being produced while still bringing in donations to geekhack instead of this mass flooding of plastics

$1 doesn't really do much as it's still quite low you can still buy 100 of them if you want

The discussion was originally to have it be 10max, at $1. The way I look at a price like $2.50 is that generating enough people (100 is about the best number you can hope for in terms of having the necessary amount of people to achieve price breaks) becomes difficult. It is far easier to justify a $1 cap than a $2.50 cap for most people. The rarity solution, then, comes from the cap on orders rather than the price pushing people away.
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« Reply #558 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 00:47:07 »
People here can justify $15-$100 for a cap, I don't think $2.50 would drive anyone away, what it will do is drive people to not order a boatload of them.

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« Reply #559 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 00:50:40 »
Oh, I thought of something else as well relating to this. If say the price is $1 and the cap maximum is 10 then each person's ceiling price is $10 for caps. If 100 people order 10 keycaps then the overall will be 1000 (easily achievable under such circumstances). With the price breaks where they are the cost for 1000 keycaps is about $410 ($.41x1000) but the price charged to the group will be $1000, per the standard rate. This leaves $590 to go towards the operation of geekhack.

This option leaves a few things which I prefer over the $2.50 method:

  • The price per cap is low
  • The caps sold is capped per capita and therefore limited
  • Donateable profits are high
  • Sorting is easy

Of course there are other ways but under the format of $1 capped at 10 I think things can be run the way we all want them without changing from the newer group buys too much where prices are stupid low.

Edit: I would never consider this type of post to be a waste of my 1337 post. I was anticipating doing something in regards to the Novelty buy for my 1337 post but I feel that something like this falls well under the category of what my posts have gone towards; my niche is in the group buys.
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« Reply #560 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 00:51:29 »
Update my order to 10 please.
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« Reply #561 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 00:57:55 »
1000 caps is far too many is what I'm getting at. It becomes something so common that you will not get the same kind of interest. There's a fine line between making something limited and sought after and something that will cause people to lose interest. If this was a one time thing sure, but you're looking to do this once a month, there will more so many GH caps that people won't know what to do with it.

At $2.50 a cap you won't get as much orders definitely but at the same time it's not expensive, and the donation to GH could be less also but it will create a want for these keycaps instead of just mass producing plastics that people won't want.

What I want to see out of this project is something that's limited and sought after and people want to collect instead of having 1000 of these floating around with people having tons to spare
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« Reply #562 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 01:03:19 »
Like te OTD keycaps. U don't see a ton of those floating around like this will be. I personally liked how iMav did it.
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« Reply #563 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 01:05:07 »
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Like te OTD keycaps. U don't see a ton of those floating around like this will be. I personally liked how iMav did it.
Exactly they hit a good number where theres enough but not flooded.

They have multiple versions of these that are included in sets also but also stand alone ones like this.
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« Reply #564 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 01:05:42 »
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1000 caps is far too many is what I'm getting at. It becomes something so common that you will not get the same kind of interest. There's a fine line between making something limited and sought after and something that will cause people to lose interest. If this was a one time thing sure, but you're looking to do this once a month, there will more so many GH caps that people won't know what to do with it.

At $2.50 a cap you won't get as much orders definitely but at the same time it's not expensive, and the donation to GH could be less also but it will create a want for these keycaps instead of just mass producing plastics that people won't want.

What I want to see out of this project is something that's limited and sought after and people want to collect instead of having 1000 of these floating around with people having tons to spare

While on paper, yes, 1000 keycaps is a large amount for something being done once a month but that is both a ceiling amount at 100 people (there are a lot of people in this buy right now who even with the price at $.41 have limited themselves to under 5) the thing that should be examined is where these caps are going. A lot of people on this forums, and especially those who would be interested in representing it through these types of keys, have multiple keyboards on which to put them.

I also look at these caps a bit differently than everyone else because while some people may intend on selling them later on I do not because, well, I can't. The best that I can do with keycaps these days is buy them or trade them but there is no way for me to have money coming in (even money going out is a ***** to handle because I have to proxy). Having ~10 of each kind, and in turn about, if not under, ~5, to trade later on for other keycaps is a cool thing.

Finally, the rarity of these keycaps is protected whether or not we limit the production. If you look at the SC2 buy, which ended about three months ago, the resell on those keycaps is nearly naught in the forums because people frankly do not want to sell them. Having limited colors like these GH keys means that when people get their hands on them, whether they cost $.41 or $2.50, a majority of people will want to hold on to them.

There are obviously dissenting opinions on this process but from my point of view having a lower price but modest maximum is a strong way to go.
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« Reply #565 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 01:07:43 »
The thing with this is, at what point does it go from "I want this because I like it" to "I want this because it's cheap" which IMO ruins the feel of these keycaps and (to me) what they stand for.
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« Reply #566 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 01:11:35 »
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The thing with this is, at what point does it go from "I want this because I like it" to "I want this because it's cheap" which IMO ruins the feel of these keycaps and (to me) what they stand for.

I think that this group buy, and in a lot of ways the Novelty Buy, are indicative of the line between "like" and "cheap". Once the special levels of price cuts were reached, about $.70 or so, the number of orders and order increases skyrocketed. In the past 24 hours there have been page after page of people increasing their order simply because the price was put in the title and people were shown that "Hey, look here, this is cheap". Before we started flashing price cuts and boasting progress the orders were in the 500 range and that is a good number to consider when the forums has 3500+ active members and 400+ on at any one time.
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« Reply #567 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 01:11:55 »
At $2.50/cap I don't think you need to cap it and if you want to do all those things you listed you definitely are free to stock up on them still.

SC2 buy is different in the sense it was well the last of its kind for now, while this we're looking to do it every month, sure it's in an another colour but its the same thing over and over and over again.

I honestly don't think $2.50 vs $1 is a huge difference but I do feel $1 is too low

People now are buying it because it's cheap and not because they want it, at least that's how it feels like it to me

The amount of active members does not correlate to the amount of buyers, even if the price was at $2.50 people that want this keycap will still buy it instead of oh, its cheap why not.
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« Reply #568 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 01:17:48 »
As a note of curiosity, about 60 people of the 98 who have ordered in this buy have ordered under 10 keycaps.
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« Reply #569 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 01:17:57 »
looking at the data from the buy over the last week, it seems like people want to spend about 4$ and have a need/want of about 2 caps. ie, initial orders were 1-2 caps/person, and now with prices at rock bottom they're ordering around 10 caps/ea.

what i would do then is each month plan to buy 500 caps of that month's design and resell for 2$ each. sell each design until it runs out. then, each month the proceeds of the first 150 caps sold go toward purchasing the next month's inventory. all further proceeds to go imav for site maintenance and other cool stuff that helps the community eg prototyping money for new keyboard designs (RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE DOX)

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« Reply #570 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 01:27:52 »
I ordered soem keetopps!  I ordered more than 4, but less than 6.
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« Reply #571 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 02:16:27 »
I would like to make a post clarifying the increase in my, and other orders. For us international members, shipping is always the largest part of the price we are actually paying. My original order was 5 caps, which I increased to 10, then 20 caps. Yes, this was done because the caps got "cheaper". But, there is no way I am paying 10+$ to ship 5 caps valued at 2,50$...that just wouldn't make sense. This way I have extras to sprinkle around, hand out with keyboards, etc. Do I need 20 caps? Nope.

 If this end up a limited run after all I will be glad to reduce my order to 5 caps to give others a chance to get one.
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« Reply #572 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 03:09:03 »
Can you up my order to 15 please.  I will pm you also.
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« Reply #573 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 07:25:07 »
1000 keycaps is gonna be quite a hassle to sort through.

The price per keycap is very cheap, and yes, I did increase my order after the prices dropped. What people do when they get their keycaps is up to them... but I'm looking to use them as part of trades for the newer members who were not able to get in on this group buy.

For the next group buy, I think we should limit the individual orders or make the pricing stop at a certain point and then any discounts after that will go towards GH donation. For example, at 250 keycaps the price is .71 and if we hit 500 keycaps(.51), then we can donate .21 per key to GH. I think it seems fair and the lack of discount at that level isn't too significant.
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« Reply #574 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 07:50:43 »
I only ordered so many was well, because I am new and I own zero GH keycaps at all! Plus it was to make the shipping even out, wasn't going to pay more for shipping then the keycaps cost. Plus i'm planning on a project with some penguin mint tins!

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« Reply #575 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 07:52:19 »
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But, there is no way I am paying 10+$ to ship 5 caps valued at 2,50$...that just wouldn't make sense.

This is how I feel. If the shipping was less, I would definitely get less caps. I just kind of want to get my moneys worth with the caps. International shipping HURTS!

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« Reply #576 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 09:12:12 »
I'm looking for 5 of these now with the new price point!

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« Reply #577 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 10:24:15 »
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This is how I feel. If the shipping was less, I would definitely get less caps. I just kind of want to get my moneys worth with the caps. International shipping HURTS!


Yeah there is nothing I can do about shipping. And I have a feeling I'm going to be using my own money to cover intl shipping.
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« Reply #578 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 11:30:16 »
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« Reply #579 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 11:34:59 »
The next price tiers are at 2,500 and 3,000.

.35 and.33 cents.
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« Reply #580 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 11:42:52 »
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« Reply #581 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 12:26:00 »
Demik, what have you gotten yourself into... xD
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« Reply #582 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 12:30:19 »
I can help with the sorting if needs be.
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« Reply #583 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 12:37:06 »
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Demik, what have you gotten yourself into... xD

Next round will be more limited and orders will be open for a short time. This won't happen again lol.


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Might happen with this and the qwer Gb lol
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« Reply #584 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 12:38:07 »
i can help with East Coast sorting if you want, just gotta find bubble mailers lol.

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« Reply #585 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 12:48:32 »
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The next price tiers are at 2,500 and 3,000.

.35 and.33 cents.

I see what she did there... clever girl.
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« Reply #586 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 12:52:02 »
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The thing with this is, at what point does it go from "I want this because I like it" to "I want this because it's cheap" which IMO ruins the feel of these keycaps and (to me) what they stand for.


This.  When I was new I lusted after a GH keycap, and when KeyboardLover gave me one it made me extremely happy.  I support returning to the old pricing structure and donating proceeds to GH, or even mkawa's idea of buying a fixed number and selling them after the fact (rather than buying in beforehand), with each round funded with the proceeds from the previous.

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« Reply #587 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 12:53:32 »
It's probably too much hassle at this point, but there's no reason you couldn't set a cap now. I'd actually be interested to see how many people stick with the order if they were limited to fewer caps. Just so long that everyone who wanted a few could get them.

Edit: Cool, I'm #2 in the order list. Makes me seem like one of the cool cats who jumped in early.
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« Reply #588 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 12:55:15 »
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This.  When I was new I lusted after a GH keycap, and when KeyboardLover gave me one it made me extremely happy.  I support returning to the old pricing structure and donating proceeds to GH, or even mkawa's idea of buying a fixed number and selling them after the fact (rather than buying in beforehand), with each round funded with the proceeds from the previous.
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« Reply #589 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 13:00:11 »
Don't worry.  We'll fix it on the next round.  Let's just be done with this one. lol  Collect the money, close the thread and let Melissa do her thang. =D

Edit: and yeah, I was happy to receive this from iMav himself.  Perhaps those days are long gone...

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« Reply #590 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 13:00:37 »
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Next round will be more limited and orders will be open for a short time. This won't happen again lol.

Might happen with this and the qwer Gb lol

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« Reply #591 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 13:02:06 »
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Maybe you should hire some spanish/chinese guy to sort for you ; p

Oh he already has both of them. lol  Trust me. ;)
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« Reply #592 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 13:03:25 »
I wanna come join the sorting party!
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« Reply #593 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 13:04:16 »
Come on down!  We should have plenty of Girlscout cookies for everyone.
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« Reply #594 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 13:33:33 »
There is no sorting. They are all the same. Just counting and bagging!
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« Reply #595 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 13:35:16 »
Quote from: hazeluff;530968
Maybe you should hire some spanish/chinese guy to sort for you ; p

I'm the Mexican and reaper is the Asian :rofl:

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There is no sorting. They are all the same. Just counting and bagging!

Addresses + customs forms are the part that suck. But im going to do that while they are being made so they should be ready by the time I get them.
No, he’s not around. How that sound to ya? Jot it down.

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« Reply #596 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 13:37:07 »
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Maybe you should hire some spanish/chinese guy to sort for you ; p


^ See... told you he has both! :lol:
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« Reply #597 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 13:39:59 »
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I'm the Mexican and reaper is the Asian :rofl:



Clearly missing the mad Russian.

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« Reply #598 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 13:40:13 »
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I'm the Mexican and reaper is the Asian :rofl:



Addresses + customs forms are the part that suck. But im going to do that while they are being made so they should be ready by the time I get them.

This guy is so smart. Just like the code I write. = D
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« Reply #599 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 13:51:38 »
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Clearly missing the mad Russian.

Clearly!
No, he’s not around. How that sound to ya? Jot it down.