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« on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 07:48:52 »
Picture stolen from China forum. If you can read Chinese go see it yourself.
http://www.waishehome.cn/viewthread.php?tid=46399&rpid=775296&ordertype=0&page=1#pid775296
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« Reply #1 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 08:38:38 »
Though, it(FILCO) still somehow one of Chinese favorite standard.
They SS7G-fy it(the PLU is having same dimension as FILCO TKL).

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« Reply #2 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 09:34:41 »
Wow that's pretty bad.  The last Filco Camo (MX Brown) I had looked atrocious.  The silk screening looked as if it had been applied by someone in the midst of a full blown seizure...it was blurry and stretched.  I wish I would have taken a picture of the board before getting rid of it.
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« Reply #3 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 09:37:13 »
Something tells me google translate got this incorrect

"5 hair to sell me."

Unless the guy was offering to buy it for 5 hair. I didn't know hair was considered a currency over there.


Anyway, how does that hurt anything? Did it not come with the caps for those keys? I mean it looks stupid sure, but seems like a ...man I'm going to hate myself for using his words... "McRip Effect"
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« Reply #4 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 10:13:44 »
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Something tells me google translate got this incorrect

"5 hair to sell me."

Unless the guy was offering to buy it for 5 hair. I didn't know hair was considered a currency over there.


Anyway, how does that hurt anything? Did it not come with the caps for those keys? I mean it looks stupid sure, but seems like a ...man I'm going to hate myself for using his words... "McRip Effect"

5hairs = 50cents in context. It being a normal term for Chinese(not only in China).
Apart from that, I also learnt that they call "knife"(dāo) as dollar and "rice"(mǐ) as informal context for currency.
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« Reply #5 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 10:15:21 »
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Photoshop.

Probably a Chinese unpaid clone version.

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1.  Geekhack is STILL slow
2.  Now I see why mobile user's pics and spelling are so bad.

That guy must be either a professional in PS or a insider from Ducky then...
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« Reply #6 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 10:17:14 »
So a knife and 5 hairs is $1.50?

Do they call knives dollars and rice cents?

"I'll give you my 2 rice buddy, I'll stab you with this dollar!"
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« Reply #7 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 10:30:05 »
So ripster telling everybody he's on his iPad is his new thing?

Noted.
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« Reply #8 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 10:31:02 »
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So a knife and 5 hairs is $1.50?

Do they call knives dollars and rice cents?

"I'll give you my 2 rice buddy, I'll stab you with this dollar!"

The knives are mostly used when the currency is USD, probably a directly translation of "dollar" to "dao". In normal practice, they either go the formal way, yuan or the informal way, rice(so far only saw from forums, not sure if they apply it in real life).

Example:
A: How much you bought your new keyboard?
B: 100knives(USD)
A: So many rices(money)? Rice people(rich people).
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« Reply #9 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 10:34:42 »
Looks like photoshop to me.
You can see the from "Print Screen" the "re" part on the stem of the switch. I highly doubt pad-printing technology have gone far enough to disregard deformation of the pad from the height difference.

I'm sticking with ripster for this one.
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« Reply #10 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 10:38:58 »
ＴＩＬ: 1 defect and your company is ruined
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« Reply #11 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 10:39:59 »
Sending the keyboard after being fully assembled for pad-printing doesn't even make sense.
Plus Filco keys are coated after being printed on.
Coating the whole keyboard while being fully assembled?

I thought Asian were supposed to be smart.
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« Reply #12 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 10:40:18 »
And wouldn't they print their keycaps in an assembly line while NOT on the switches?
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« Reply #13 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 10:44:51 »
Looks like *ucky got scammed in paying someone to dumb to do some research before attempting to destroy Filco rep but lucky we have the #1 and #2 keyboard expert in the world stop dummies.
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« Reply #14 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 10:47:47 »
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Yeah, especially if you know how the pad printing process works.

I know how pad printing process works, but I am not fully familiar with the power of PS.
BTW, if that is a PS works, he must had did it with effort. The fonts are even lifted on the Cherry logo on the switch.

It remind me on an old quote, No Picture No Truth. But in this case it is got picture no truth.
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« Reply #15 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 10:50:09 »
I'm 99.9% sure it's not photoshop. Dunno how it happend, but it looks real to me.
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« Reply #16 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 10:55:16 »
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Sending the keyboard after being fully assembled for pad-printing doesn't even make sense.
Plus Filco keys are coated after being printed on.
Coating the whole keyboard while being fully assembled?

I thought Asian were supposed to be smart.

It also doesn't make sense for me but random search from google show that it is indeed possible.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3408942/pneumatic_keyboard_pad_printer/

TIL that pad printing is done while keycaps on the keyboards.
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« Reply #17 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 10:55:31 »
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Vbulletin Image Manager under iOS sucks big time.
Under iOS, I just press and hold the image and open it up in a new tab.
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« Reply #18 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 12:03:21 »
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It also doesn't make sense for me but random search from google show that it is indeed possible.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3408942/pneumatic_keyboard_pad_printer/

TIL that pad printing is done while keycaps on the keyboards.

Was that an actual keyboard, or a placeholder? The keys didn't depress at all when the machine pushed down.
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« Reply #19 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 12:03:33 »
Quote from: ripster;548798
Photoshop.

Probably a Chinese unpaid clone version.

Two iPad Observations:
1.  Geekhack is STILL slow
2.  Now I see why mobile user's pics and spelling are so bad.

BTW, do the super retina display show you the signs of PS?

Quote from: sordna;548911
Was that an actual keyboard, or a placeholder? The keys didn't depress at all when the machine pushed down.

Which part you mean?
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« Reply #20 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 12:14:39 »
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Which part you mean?

The "keyboard" case looked funny, and the keys looked like they were all fully recessed in the case, as if they bottomed out and stayed down. So to me it looks like that was not an actual functional keyboard, but just a plastic frame to hold the keys in place.
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« Reply #21 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 12:16:39 »
Hi guys,

The picture is most likely NOT photoshoped.

I have come across many boards that have this from when the keys were printed. Many times they are printed when they are on the board.
I have also seen this on a number of other boards other than Filco.

It's not that common but certaily not as uncommon as you might think. If more of us took keys off our boards we would notice this on a some keys in random locations.
I commonly happen to find them on the bottom rows keys, like; ctr, windows, and Alt. Sometimes its very, very faint and hard to see.

I have also never found any evidence that this causes a problem of any kind.

Just thought you might like to know.

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« Reply #22 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 12:23:31 »
Quote from: Human;548859
It also doesn't make sense for me but random search from google show that it is indeed possible.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3408942/pneumatic_keyboard_pad_printer/

TIL that pad printing is done while keycaps on the keyboards.

Considering that Filco keycaps are coated to protect the pad-printing, it's not logical to spray on the coating after the keyboard is fully assembled. That pretty much rules out the possibility.

I did a quick photoshop. I'm by no mean good at photoshop but this is my pathetic attempt.
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« Reply #23 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 12:23:45 »
Oh I just saw the video a few posts up. I was wondering what you guys were talking about.

Anywho, in the video you didn't see the actuall printing but you saw the motions of it. The pads never touched the keyboard, it was a test run.
Pads will usually bow by design.

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« Reply #24 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 12:45:15 »
Quote from: squarebox;548935
Considering that Filco keycaps are coated to protect the pad-printing, it's not logical to spray on the coating after the keyboard is fully assembled. That pretty much rules out the possibility.
The pic is probably not fake. You can see that the pad print is printed on the cherry logo (ie. it curve in and out with the surface). It would be very very difficult to do such thing with photoshop.

Filco have QC problem, Ripster in denial, and blames the OP. What a surprise?
« Last Edit: Sat, 17 March 2012, 12:48:12 by Exort »
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« Reply #25 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 12:55:50 »
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So ripster telling everybody he's on his iPad is his new thing?

Noted.

Lol seriously I'm already over it.
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« Reply #26 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 13:09:04 »
This is for sure: you will never see that crap on a Kinesis contoured keyboard.
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« Reply #27 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 13:22:56 »
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Probably.

But I'm 99% sure the copy of Photoshop is fake if the poster is Chinese.  KeyAboo Theorem.


Possible. I mean they technically able to clone everything you can think of, and even those you never think of.
LGTFY

Fake beef

Fake egg

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« Reply #28 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 13:22:58 »
All I gained from this thread was Ripster has a new toy...
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« Reply #29 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 13:28:17 »
Man, AAPL is almost $600.  Maybe when the new iPhone 5 comes out it'll be over $600?  lol  Time to sell some stocks. =D



Sorry for going off topic there but yeah, that doesn't look like photoshop to me.
« Last Edit: Sat, 17 March 2012, 13:32:55 by reaper »
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« Reply #30 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 13:42:31 »
lol iPad.
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« Reply #31 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 13:55:28 »
It doesn't look like Photoshop to me. If you look at the lettering the blur that affects it is the same that affects the other lettering on the keycaps. Don't know how hard it would be able to Photoshop the correct blur :P
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« Reply #32 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 14:39:09 »
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The correct KeyAboo Theorem grammar is "iPad lol."

Ripster sometimes you make no sense... What is that meant to mean?
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« Reply #33 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 19:19:37 »
Quote from: ripster;549257
OK

let
,s try this.

Nope.

IMage opens up but can,t copy URL OR drag for attachment.

T.hhis is Image Manager under advanced mode I,m talking.

Judging from all your typos, sounds like time to try if you can hookup a keyboard to this thing. Do you have that camera adapter?
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« Reply #34 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 20:14:12 »
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You try typing on this thing sometime!
It has a backspace button, you know.
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« Reply #35 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 20:43:12 »
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I,m a big fan of delete personally.
Is that why you aren't using it? Are you trying to keep it in pristine condition? After all, it is just pad-printed.

Sent from my mom's iPad
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« Reply #36 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 20:59:45 »
It's actually not labelled, so it could be either. I can't figure out how to upload a picture, though.

Sent from my mom's iPad
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« Reply #37 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 21:30:01 »
The iPad's "keycaps" are kinda nice looking though. I wonder how a set of dyesubs with iPad legends would look
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« Reply #38 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 22:01:46 »
I don't appreciate that either. You can never be "too gay". The sky's the limit for gayness.
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« Reply #39 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 22:03:54 »
You can never be "too gay". Your imagination is the only limit to your homosexuality.
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« Reply #40 on: Sun, 18 March 2012, 04:03:41 »
Quote from: squarebox;548935
Considering that Filco keycaps are coated to protect the pad-printing, it's not logical to spray on the coating after the keyboard is fully assembled. That pretty much rules out the possibility.


I am semi sure the caps on the Multicam are not UV coated.
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« Reply #41 on: Sun, 18 March 2012, 13:00:09 »
The Multicam is actually comes with lasered keycaps, thus ruling out pad-printing and proving that it's a scam.

Evidence supporting my claim:


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« Reply #42 on: Sun, 18 March 2012, 18:17:20 »
I totally forgot the lasered part. Now looking at it closely, it seems my Ninja caps does look like it uses the same technique for the legend.

on the original picture: May be the guy took it somewhere to get his blank caps pad printed.
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« Reply #43 on: Sun, 18 March 2012, 18:35:09 »
[ Attachment Invalid Or Does Not Exist ] 44797[/ATTACH]
I don't have a macro that fits on my only digicam.
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« Reply #44 on: Sun, 18 March 2012, 19:53:28 »
Back to square one it seems...
Looks like then is more than one generation of Multicam...
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« Reply #45 on: Sun, 18 March 2012, 20:47:18 »
Could it be laser engraved and filled?
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« Reply #46 on: Sun, 18 March 2012, 20:52:03 »
Feels like lasered.
Looks like lasered.
Pretty sure it's lasered with infill.
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« Reply #47 on: Sun, 18 March 2012, 21:35:38 »
http://www.fontyukle.net/en/FuturaExtended.ttf <- Seems like a decent free futura font.
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« Reply #48 on: Sun, 18 March 2012, 23:46:09 »
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Not mine.  No frigging way.

Geez, nobody believes me so I have to take pics all the time:
(Attachment Link) 44829[/ATTACH]

I'd preferred it with pad-printing. Laser are not my thing.
Yup this thread getting pointless. I wish someone would lock it.
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« Reply #49 on: Mon, 19 March 2012, 06:30:44 »
SO apart from the "rare" mistake when manufacturing, whats the conclusion?
The new FILCO is PAD-PRINTED or LASERED?
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