hhkb pro 2 or realforce 87u? gonna try topre!

[hcry4]

Is a HHKB that bad for SC2? Is it because theres no function keys to set camera hotkeys?

The function keys aren't that hard to access if you use Fn on the left side too. I'm waiting to see a pro use an HHKB. Otherwise, I'll have to play a lot more than I watch.

[seferphier]

if you really like HHKB for their looks, i would say go for HHKB.

[fossala]

I like keyboards for the "personality" and there function. Just one isn't good enough.

[Omerta]

Speaking of my buddy who plays SC2 without needing a large amount of Function keys he's streaming right now.

http://www.twitch.tv/jpdamha

So if you wanna play against him namkung by all means. He's rank 10 master in NA and his IGN is ShielD

[fossala]

The stream is very poor, I'm in the UK though.

[tsangan]

I like keyboards for the "personality" and there function. Just one isn't good enough.

Nothing quite has the personality of a nice IBM SSK haha

The stream is very poor, I'm in the UK though.

Lagging for me too, and steams usually don't lag for me

[fossala]

Lagging for me too, and steams usually don't lag for me

Same here but I didn't want to be horrible.

[Omerta]

Yeah his stream isn't the greatest. I'm trying to get him to come to geek hack. He uses a steelseries mekka board and im trying to get him to see the light of all the better possibilities he could be using, including switching out of his crappy razer deathadder

[Namkung]

Why exactly would it interest me to play vs your friend?
Last time I checked, this thread was about playing WC3 / SC2 (or games in general) with a HHKB keyboard.
I called out your blatantly obvious lie about who you really were in WC3 not about how good of a player I was at SC2.
I believe my task here is done (o btw.. top 10 in your division for Masters League really is no biggie. Out of all the seasons to date, I was #1 in my masters league twice and have been top 8 in the rest except for the last 2 because I play like <100 games a season now. What I am trying to say is that I can promise you that I will at least give your friend a run for his money. Lastly, I have friends too that play SC2. real life ones too!! such as ddoro from vile. by your logic, perhaps your friend should play my friend. What would that accomplish? )
To the OP:
If you are going to be playing games, I strongly recommend you get a 87u and a 55g one unless you really like the lighter switches.

[GeorgeStorm]

I'm also considering trying out a topre board, definitely leaning towards a HHKB over anything else.
Really dislike the plastic bit at the top of the realforce boards, just wish they were all more readily available in the UK

[captain]

Opinions opinions opinions...   I like the tiny size of the HHKB. The feel of the Topre keys is okay, but IMHO Cherry Blues are the best currently available in a reasonable size board.  I need to try a Poker or a poopoo (what is it called again? nopoo? nupoo?)  One thing that might cause you trouble with the HHKB is the backspace, ~, and /, but if it's your primary keyboard I'm sure you can get used to them.  It takes me about 5 minutes to recover from changing between HHKB and my other boards.

If you are dead set on Topres, as I was, get a HHKB.  If you end up loving the feel, but hating the layout, you can certainly resell it and get a Realforce.  If you hate the feel, but love the form factor, you'll know where to go from there.  If you love the feel and love the layout, you just saved $1000s!  :-)

[jrockroll]

DAMN things getting heat up here

[Gawkbasher]

My advice, as someone who has done just this:

Get a Realforce 87U 45g and a Poker with Blues.  Keyboard bliss.

You really can't go wrong.  I like the HHKB but not nearly as much as my TKL.  The layout is cool but the Poker is more convenient.
Gotta disagree with Captain though.  My first purchase was an 87U 45g and I love it more than anything but I'm still spending money.

[fstop]

DAMN things getting heat up here

Haha, I read through the entire thread but not because of the original topic.

HHKB if you want the layout, RF for everything else for me. I was considering a HHKB trade but thankfully things didn't work out. In hindsight I think I would of regretted it.

Oh, and for the record I played a good amount of WC3 2's ladder (nothing amazing but consistently top20 in USW) and I would die without a function row . Was never good enough to climb high in solo...

[NYC]

I think the realforce would suit my needs more. Realforce 87u 45g I think is the one!
Now to pick color hmmm

[fstop]

I think the realforce would suit my needs more. Realforce 87u 45g I think is the one!
Now to pick color hmmm

Don't be deceived by the pictures on EK. I absolutely fell in love with their pictures of the 45g white/grey mods. It doesn't look as good in person IMO, mostly because RF white is more like a cream, off-white (like how a white filco is not really white). I thought black would be boring but all the pictures in the Topre thread has proven otherwise! But its all personal preference and you should check out that Topre picture thread to make a decision.

[NYC]

Don't be deceived by the pictures on EK. I absolutely fell in love with their pictures of the 45g white/grey mods. It doesn't look as good in person IMO, mostly because RF white is more like a cream, off-white (like how a white filco is not really white). I thought black would be boring but all the pictures in the Topre thread has proven otherwise! But its all personal preference and you should check out that Topre picture thread to make a decision.

Yeah I was thinking same, I've seen the thread and I really think the black/dark grey looked better thanks tho


Also anyone here gonna be playing diablo 3??

[hashbaz]

My advice, as someone who has done just this:

Get a Realforce 87U 45g and a Poker with Blues.  Keyboard bliss.

You really can't go wrong.  I like the HHKB but not nearly as much as my TKL.  The layout is cool but the Poker is more convenient.
Gotta disagree with Captain though.  My first purchase was an 87U 45g and I love it more than anything but I'm still spending money.

I agree with this.

I have a variable RF and a HHKB, and I like the RF better.  I use it for coding at work and playing SC2.  The 45g HHKB feels great, and its layout is good, but I do prefer the Poker's layout.  I will probably be selling it soon and getting a 45g uniform RF.  I spent a few days with a 55g RF and found it too heavy for my liking.

[ChaoticKinesis]

How comparable is a 55g RF to MX Blacks? I seem to be one of the only ones here who prefers them over Browns and Blues.

[hashbaz]

Topre switches are tactile like all rubber domes, so they feel significantly different than blacks.

[Exort]

Oh by the way.. someone in diamond league in SC2 is no where even close to say being ranked 1000th in WC3.

Yes, Diamond is between 80% to 98% of player base
You need to be at least master league (top 2%) to be near top 1000th.

[fossala]

SO here is a crazy question.

Say you like the black RF - you like it a lot.  In fact - even though EK has different colors you still love the black color.

But lets say they get uber shiny in 6 mos a year whatever.  Are you peeved because no replacement keycaps exist for it?

For the HHKB you can buy replacements but not for the RF (As far as I know)

I could be wrong but a HHKB space bar will fit a RF.

[ChaoticKinesis]

As far as I can tell, the Realforce 87U/104U keycap sets do not include the side-printed numpad layer that the stock 87U keycaps have. Is that correct?

[fossala]

By the looks of it, yes. Never noticed that before.

[Gawkbasher]

As far as I can tell, the Realforce 87U/104U keycap sets do not include the side-printed numpad layer that the stock 87U keycaps have. Is that correct?

This is correct.

[TheProfosist]

45g and 55g are the same but one is heavier.

I also think the my HHKB is heavier than my 87UB 45g.

[feng]

45g and 55g are the same but one is heavier.

I also think the my HHKB is heavier than my 87UB 45g.

Feel the same way. HHKB is kinda like betweeen 45g and 55g.

If you're ok with the HHKB's layout, then take it. I would say it feels a bit better than Realforce.

[Squelos]

Yeah, but the layout is the big problem for most people I believe.
Why are people saying that HHKB's have a better feel than realforce keyboards ?
I cant see why HHKB would feel better than the realforces.

[feng]

Yeah, but the layout is the big problem for most people I believe.
Why are people saying that HHKB's have a better feel than realforce keyboards ?
I cant see why HHKB would feel better than the realforces.

Not sure if I can explain this properly. It's like HHKB feels more stable and a bit harder than Realforce. Especially when you type on their spacebars, you'll see the difference is quite obvious. I normally use Realforce and barely use HHKB because of the layout, but I do prefer typing on HHKB.

[Squelos]

Yeah, well then the spacebar is really smaller on the HHKB. The high price tag + really weird and awkward layout seems hard to justify.
Ill maybe  try it once, if I need a small keyboard, that can easily be put into a backpack for instance.

[limmy]

I too think HHKB is stiffer than Realforce(variable weighted; on the keys that are weighted 45g).

Measurements of my like-new RF : http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?30375-hhkb-pro-2-or-realforce-87u-gonna-try-topre!&p=577527&viewfull=1#post577527

Measurements of 6 HHKBs : http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?27474-Topre-rubber-dome-stiffening&p=556996&viewfull=1#post556996

Like-new HHKB had average actuation peak force around 53g. Like-new RF was pretty much in line with the specification. See the above links for the detailed measurements.