Author Topic: KOREAN SWITCH STICKER GROUP BUY! (RECEIVED) (Read 137724 times)

The_Beast · « **Reply #400 on:** Thu, 04 October 2012, 11:26:36 »

I got mine today

This weekend should be full of mods n stuff

alaricljs · « **Reply #401 on:** Thu, 04 October 2012, 11:29:34 »

I've got boards without stickers and I've built boards with stickers... I haven't taken any of them into an anechoic chamber tho. If you can actually hear it *live* without amplification, congrats you've got amazing ears, protect them. You said you can feel it though, which is a whole different story than hearing it.

I can produce recordings where you would hear the most astonishing things, but you will never hear them with just your ears.

limmy · « **Reply #402 on:** Thu, 04 October 2012, 11:45:31 »

Well.. you can hear as much as you know. The difference in sound was the first thing I noticed and I disagree that the sticker will not change sound. Let's just leave it there.

@ for everyone how is getting the stickers:
When you start the sticker mod, I would recommend you lube the springs. Plastic safe thick lubricant shall do. I had some success with Victorinox multi-tool oil and Abu Garcia Reel oil. Some Koreans prefer LSD oils.

Once you do the mod, you would notice the spring scratching noise better because one element that added noise is no longer making noise. That is how I first felt when I did the mod. My keyboard was Poker so I didn't have to do any soldering, but if you have to solder, it would best to multiple things at once.

DanGWanG · « **Reply #403 on:** Thu, 04 October 2012, 11:53:19 »

Assembly line technique is what I've always preferred. If you're working with bare switches (unsoldered), do a single specialized task at a time, task by task. This is how I go about my duties:

1) Disassemble every switch. Remove the top housing from the bottom, and separate the spring, stem and housing pieces.
2) Since I don't have a switch plate, I use a propped up G80 PCB for slotting the switch bottoms in preparation. So I put all the switch bottoms into the PCB to keep them in place and easy to work with.
3) Begin lubing every spring and placing them into the switch bottom.
4) Begin lubing every stem and placing them into the spring
5) Snap on the top housing to complete the modified switch.

damorgue · « **Reply #404 on:** Thu, 04 October 2012, 15:15:25 »

Speaking of which, does anyone know an easy place to buy Krytox GPL103 or RO-59 or whatever is recommended? The GB for that seems to have been abandoned. I think I saw some once at an online store but I forgot which one.

OddOne · « **Reply #405 on:** Thu, 04 October 2012, 18:01:09 »

Got my switch stickers in today. Thanks for running the GB demik. Time is the only thing holding be back from completing my mod now...

tsangan · « **Reply #406 on:** Thu, 04 October 2012, 18:10:37 »

Quote from: DanGWanG on Thu, 04 October 2012, 11:53:19

Assembly line technique is what I've always preferred. If you're working with bare switches (unsoldered), do a single specialized task at a time, task by task. This is how I go about my duties:

1) Disassemble every switch. Remove the top housing from the bottom, and separate the spring, stem and housing pieces.
2) Since I don't have a switch plate, I use a propped up G80 PCB for slotting the switch bottoms in preparation. So I put all the switch bottoms into the PCB to keep them in place and easy to work with.
3) Begin lubing every spring and placing them into the switch bottom.
4) Begin lubing every stem and placing them into the spring
5) Snap on the top housing to complete the modified switch.

I still remember the day you asked me how to pop open a switch

:sniff sniff: all grown up

sth · « **Reply #407 on:** Thu, 04 October 2012, 18:11:49 »

got em. putting these on sucks

The_Beast · « **Reply #408 on:** Thu, 04 October 2012, 18:18:48 »

Quote from: sth on Thu, 04 October 2012, 18:11:49

got em. putting these on sucks

Yea they do

limmy · « **Reply #409 on:** Fri, 05 October 2012, 02:21:28 »

I got the stickers.

They measure about 0.10~0.11mm thick. The thickness is pretty similar to tape I have been using as an alternative.

I can imagine it would be very hard to put those stickers with bare hands. I would recommend you get a good pair of tweezers and line up the thinnest part of the sticker on the switch first. Hold the sticker with tweezers and use sharp object to stick it to the switch. Once you line up the thinnest part of the sticker, the rest should be pretty easy.

I can definitely hear the difference. Most of rattling sound is gone. The sound feels a bit dampened because higher frequency sound of rattling plastic was reduced. However you could still hear other parts of switches, so overall sound level seems to be the same.

If you want to verify what I find, try the stickers on a couple of switches (about 4 should be enough to hear and feel the difference) and compare the modded with unmodded. I would be surprised if you don't notice the difference. I only have PCB mounted boards, so I don't know if perceived difference is noticeable on plate mounted ones, but I am pretty sure that the effect would be similar.

The_Beast · « **Reply #410 on:** Fri, 05 October 2012, 02:30:11 »

tweezers = a must

I took the stickers off the sheet using the tweezers, just touching the corner of the sticker. I got the stickers over the slider, then I moved the thin "back" of the sticker past the "back" of the switch. I then move the sticker forward until both the back of the sticker and the switch were aligned. I then carefully put the tweezers off the sticker and then push the sticker down onto the switch. You don't need to push the sticker down really hard and get a really good contact, because the switch top will do that for you anyways.

WRXChris · « **Reply #411 on:** Fri, 05 October 2012, 04:47:36 »

mine came in yesterday, thanks demik and KBDMania people for making these available to us! I'm waiting on some victorinox multi-tool oil to arrive and hopefully I'll have a poker stickered this weekend!

alaricljs · « **Reply #412 on:** Fri, 05 October 2012, 08:11:22 »

Quote from: limmy on Fri, 05 October 2012, 02:21:28

I only have PCB mounted boards, so I don't know if perceived difference is noticeable on plate mounted ones, but I am pretty sure that the effect would be similar.

That explains a bit at least. All the boards I've done/had are plate mount. The plate would dampen rattle more since it's more mass holding the switch, any rattle should die off pretty quick. Also the plate holds the 2 housing halves rather stable, it takes deliberate force to shift the top housing around. Stickered plate mount switches are that much more stable/tight. I also built the ultimate in brick-house stable... PCB mount switches stickered and mounted to a KMAC plate&PCB. It sounds quite dead and feels extremely solid.

boost · « **Reply #413 on:** Fri, 05 October 2012, 09:21:03 »

Quote from: The_Beast on Fri, 05 October 2012, 02:30:11

tweezers = a must

I took the stickers off the sheet using the tweezers, just touching the corner of the sticker. I got the stickers over the slider, then I moved the thin "back" of the sticker past the "back" of the switch. I then move the sticker forward until both the back of the sticker and the switch were aligned. I then carefully put the tweezers off the sticker and then push the sticker down onto the switch. You don't need to push the sticker down really hard and get a really good contact, because the switch top will do that for you anyways.

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Nice work...I now feel bad for alaric -_+

alaricljs · « **Reply #414 on:** Fri, 05 October 2012, 09:42:04 »

lol. I use a micro screwdriver since it'll stick to half the tweezers anyway.

The_Beast · « **Reply #415 on:** Fri, 05 October 2012, 10:01:01 »

Quote from: alaricljs on Fri, 05 October 2012, 09:42:04

lol. I use a micro screwdriver since it'll stick to half the tweezers anyway.

That would work too, but I find a tweezers helps you pick the sticker off the sheet a bit easier since it has a finer point

damorgue · « **Reply #416 on:** Fri, 05 October 2012, 10:02:53 »

Have all the US ones gone out now? ETA on international orders?

tubby · « **Reply #417 on:** Sat, 06 October 2012, 01:52:20 »

Quote from: limmy on Thu, 04 October 2012, 09:02:41

When I tried, it reduced rattling noise.

If you want to hear sound samples you can look for "cherry_blues_sticker_mod.zip" in the following link.
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/3681762

I missed the GB but am very curious on how the stickers would effect both sound and feel.
Thanks a lot for clearing up the sound part =)
Hearing the 'with keycap' clips, it appears that the stickers actually dampens the bottom out sound, would that be right?
As for the clicking itself, one with the sticker actually sounded like having a higher pitched sound.

Apart from the noise difference, do they alter typing feel in any significant way?

demik · « **Reply #418 on:** Mon, 08 October 2012, 19:54:16 »

still need about 2 people to pay up.

but i'll start doing international orders middle of this week. i still need to get bubble mailers that these sheets will fit in (going to check some out tomorrow or wednesday)

hashbaz · « **Reply #419 on:** Tue, 09 October 2012, 16:15:39 »

Got my stickers. Thanks dem!

DanGWanG · « **Reply #420 on:** Tue, 09 October 2012, 16:41:47 »

Quote from: tsangan on Thu, 04 October 2012, 18:10:37

Quote from: DanGWanG on Thu, 04 October 2012, 11:53:19
Assembly line technique is what I've always preferred. If you're working with bare switches (unsoldered), do a single specialized task at a time, task by task. This is how I go about my duties:

1) Disassemble every switch. Remove the top housing from the bottom, and separate the spring, stem and housing pieces.
2) Since I don't have a switch plate, I use a propped up G80 PCB for slotting the switch bottoms in preparation. So I put all the switch bottoms into the PCB to keep them in place and easy to work with.
3) Begin lubing every spring and placing them into the switch bottom.
4) Begin lubing every stem and placing them into the spring
5) Snap on the top housing to complete the modified switch.
I still remember the day you asked me how to pop open a switch

:sniff sniff: all grown up

After typing all that, I completely forgot to add the sticker step =)

WhiteFireDragon · « **Reply #421 on:** Tue, 09 October 2012, 18:40:20 »

Just got mine today

mbc · « **Reply #422 on:** Fri, 12 October 2012, 08:19:06 »

So, what's the status on international orders

demik · « **Reply #423 on:** Fri, 12 October 2012, 15:19:16 »

should go out soon, ive been ridiculously busy with work and i truly apologize

mbc · « **Reply #424 on:** Fri, 12 October 2012, 21:44:50 »

Don't, work goes first.

Acanthophis · « **Reply #425 on:** Fri, 12 October 2012, 22:44:13 »

Quote from: mbc on Fri, 12 October 2012, 21:44:50

Don't, work goes first.

Spoken like a true German

But he is right, Pesos ain't raining down on us

Halverson · « **Reply #426 on:** Wed, 17 October 2012, 23:01:34 »

I'll probably have to change my address for these now, any time frame on international orders yet?

demik · « **Reply #427 on:** Wed, 17 October 2012, 23:17:18 »

Trust me I'm trying to get this over with. Just been busy as hell. I'll get to it this week I promise.

Halverson · « **Reply #428 on:** Wed, 17 October 2012, 23:18:49 »

Quote from: demik on Wed, 17 October 2012, 23:17:18

Trust me I'm trying to get this over with. Just been busy as hell. I'll get to it this week I promise.

No rush mang, just don't want to be in the middle of a move and forget to send you the cash to ship it, and an address.

*Wizard Pound*

demik · « **Reply #429 on:** Wed, 17 October 2012, 23:20:36 »

Nah I'll double check addresses before I send.

*Wizbro hug*

mbc · « **Reply #430 on:** Sat, 20 October 2012, 03:23:54 »

If someone else could figure out shipping method and costs in the meantime that would be great.
I suggest cardboard enforced envelopes.

Halverson · « **Reply #431 on:** Sun, 21 October 2012, 18:07:39 »

So after some purchases that I had to send to my family in Utah, I figure I'll have to head there soon to get it all anyway. So may as well just ship these CONUS for me. Won't be till the end of November probably, so not in a rush to grab these.

*Girlshark wizbro-pound to infinity and beyond*

demik · « **Reply #432 on:** Sun, 21 October 2012, 18:43:31 »

Quote from: mbc on Sat, 20 October 2012, 03:23:54

If someone else could figure out shipping method and costs in the meantime that would be great.
I suggest cardboard enforced envelopes.

cost should not be over 5-6 USD.

they'll be shipped in a bubble mailer, problem is i havent received them yet.

TheProfosist · « **Reply #433 on:** Mon, 22 October 2012, 00:19:29 »

I know this probably isnt the best place to post this but im looking for stickers just 2 sheets and i dont care about the color.

demik · « **Reply #434 on:** Wed, 24 October 2012, 18:20:26 »

k, sending out first of the invoices for international packages.

damorgue · « **Reply #435 on:** Thu, 25 October 2012, 03:06:20 »

Paid!

Acanthophis · « **Reply #436 on:** Thu, 25 October 2012, 05:33:55 »

Payment sent.

demik · « **Reply #437 on:** Thu, 25 October 2012, 18:30:14 »

second round of invoices sent

Zehkul · « **Reply #438 on:** Thu, 25 October 2012, 19:08:20 »

Payment sent, hope I didn’t derp anything. My brain isn’t really working right now, I looked 5 minutes at “include your mailing address” until I had figured out that mailing address in fact doesn’t mean e mail. Which would be a rather confusing thing to ask for in the notes section of a paypal payment.

demik · « **Reply #439 on:** Thu, 25 October 2012, 19:27:41 »

looks like you got it right

pasph · « **Reply #440 on:** Fri, 26 October 2012, 10:43:32 »

How many rounds?

Acetrak · « **Reply #441 on:** Fri, 26 October 2012, 11:06:54 »

Any potential extras?

Too late to the buy

TheProfosist · « **Reply #442 on:** Fri, 02 November 2012, 02:42:35 »

Wondering the same thing.

mm87 · « **Reply #443 on:** Fri, 02 November 2012, 05:38:14 »

Will the remaining invoices for international orders be sent out soon?

TDub · « **Reply #444 on:** Tue, 06 November 2012, 08:12:36 »

Can we please get an update for the internationals? It's been a month since the first people got their stickers and we haven't even got invoices

demik · « **Reply #445 on:** Tue, 06 November 2012, 08:14:31 »

Because I haven't gotten to you.

I've sent about half of the international orders already.

kaiserreich · « **Reply #446 on:** Tue, 06 November 2012, 08:39:42 »

take your time, demik

demik · « **Reply #447 on:** Tue, 06 November 2012, 09:10:33 »

Check your inbox kaiser, I sent you a pm!

kaiserreich · « **Reply #448 on:** Tue, 06 November 2012, 18:35:35 »

Quote from: demik on Tue, 06 November 2012, 09:10:33

Check your inbox kaiser, I sent you a pm!

There's nothing in my inbox. If you referring to the shipping PM, I have paid already.

demik · « **Reply #449 on:** Tue, 06 November 2012, 21:13:33 »

ah, must have been somebody else then! ignore >.<

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Author Topic: KOREAN SWITCH STICKER GROUP BUY! (RECEIVED) (Read 137724 times)