What's the beef with Das?

[Zos]

So I've notice around this forum that people don't talk about Das keyboards lest it be about a vintage model or their recent manufacturer change. I purchased an Ultimate relatively recently (my first mechanical) and I haven't noticed any inconsistencies -- though, I understand I am uninitiated when it comes to keyboards. What's so bad about these things? Is it just that they're the Honda Civic of the mechanical keyboard world and everyone here wants to talk Porche?

Also, what's the general opinion of KBT?

[Binge]

So I've notice around this forum that people don't talk about Das keyboards lest it be about a vintage model or their recent manufacturer change. I purchased an Ultimate relatively recently (my first mechanical) and I haven't noticed any inconsistencies -- though, I understand I am uninitiated when it comes to keyboards. What's so bad about these things? Is it just that they're the Honda Civic of the mechanical keyboard world and everyone here wants to talk Porche?

Also, what's the general opinion of KBT?

Those who speak ill of das speak ill of das.  Those who have das and like often stay quiet as not to perpetuate some argument, but I have to say... Das's company model has soured and it shows in the soul of their keyboards...

KBT has just offered awesome stuff to the community.  I am excited to receive my KBT Pro

[rowdy]

This: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=35375.0

[Carnage]

I wouldn't say there's anything wrong with das while im personally an ALPS type of person every time ive typed on a das model s which uses cherry browns i believe it has felt like a sturdy consistent keyboard. Its probably just because of the price tag on das people complain. There seems to be a stigma that the bigger more well known produced products quality lowers for das id have to say this is not the case while i do not like MX browns there boards feel to be a good quality well built products to me. Unlike razers blacktrasho if im going to use blues its ALPS or nothing.

I cant say much for the new das models though only for the 6 month+ old model S I've typed on at a friends and with co workers.

[TheQsanity]

You are wrong. Das is more or less like a lexus. And we like honda civics. Which would be nore or less Chinese boards oe tenkeyless. A Porsche would be more or less kike a topre Kmac or kenesis.

[wetto]

Nothing wrong with Das, besides the fact that most people here have stopped indicating it ever since they changed their OEM to iOne. And that includes me.

Well, we all know too that the Das Ultimate and Mac versions are still made by Costar and they have an awesome interior built (well, the glossy finish may be one of the reasons people don't like it), but I'd rather stop recommending when we don't know when the Das Keyboard Ultimate/Mac made by iOne are going to appear.

[m00nshake]

I think there are different reasons for the Das hate. One is the reasons I guess is that Das markets it's keyboard as being like the IBM model M, which it isn't. Another thing is that a lot of people don't like the look of the glossy piano finish. I personally think it looks classy but the finish is prone to scratches. Now they're moving away from Costar to Ione apparently and since that would be a step backwards as far as build quality, that's the nail in the coffin I'm sure as far as supporters on this board.

[Carnage]

Id have to say when it comes to complete customization and amazing quality KMAC would 100% be a porsche and the Das the Lexus. Hopefully there quality does not deteriorate with the new manufacturer. I think there amazing starter keyboards for people who just got a new job and want a decent keyboard to use or have a office job and want to switch from rubber domes to mech without driving there co workers insane with CLICKITY CLACK!

[Hyde]

If you bought a Das Ultimate then I believe you're in the safe zone.  You can double check by flipping your keyboard over and if the bottom says "Made In Taiwan" then you're in the clear.  It's like people said the hate probably come from the gloss finish and the change of OEM.

The gloss finish is more like love and hate, you either love its beautiful finish or hate the scratches.  Personally I own a Das MX Brown and I think it's awesome.  My daily driver is a Filco MX Red but I'd say quality wise they feels very close.

The OEM change however is pretty much the deciding point.  I think geekhack has a general hate towards iOne products (Razer Blackwidow) for their poor quality control.  So people are worry about things breaking down if anything.  Das used to be with Costar which everyone love here.

I bought my Das during their Costar era and I still loves it.

Das used to be the go to board for people who just got into mechanical keyboards since it has proven quality (Costar) and is cheaper than Filco.

Nothing wrong with Das, besides the fact that most people here have stopped indicating it ever since they changed their OEM to iOne. And that includes me.

Yupe keyword is stopped.  I used to recommend Das, just not anymore.

[TheQsanity]

Anyone else notice that Das marketing has a lot of false information?

I like the Das II and the Das I better. The Das II can be customized easier and from what I hear, the Das I has one of the best Rubber Domes.

Did the price of the Das accessories go up? 

[Hyde]

Anyone else notice that Das marketing has a lot of false information?

I like the Das II and the Das I better. The Das II can be customized easier and from what I hear, the Das I has one of the best Rubber Domes.

Did the price of the Das accessories go up? 

I don't think the price went up, it's just always that expensive.

But I kind of don't like how they advertise it being #1 on Amazon then switch to a poor quality OEM.  Basically they're riding on Costar's glory.

[TheQsanity]

They, along with Razer are like the Mac of keyboards...

What are they without their advertisements.

Very hyped.

[rowdy]

They are also one of the few mechanical keyboard manufacturers that makes a Mac layout mechanical keyboard.

[TheQsanity]

Gasp! I think someone has been sleeping with Mac....

*Cough* *Cough* Das*Cough*

[Hyde]

LOL well at least Matias is pretty low profile about it.  None of those in your face advertisements.

(And no I don't mean keycap profile  )