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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #100 on: Sun, 13 January 2013, 11:12:32 »
Ha! I love it!
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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #101 on: Sun, 13 January 2013, 11:15:19 »
Ha! I love it!

so you're ok with the 1, 1, 6.25, 1, 1, 1? (That's what I added for you)

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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #102 on: Sun, 13 January 2013, 11:16:43 »
When would this be available?

If the PCB doesn't look super horrible (I'll try to run it by as many people as possible to make sure everything looks good) I'll try to get a small run ~10-15 PCB's made HOPEFULLY sometime early February, so just be sure you hang around this thread, to keep up to date :)

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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #103 on: Sun, 13 January 2013, 14:34:42 »


Who's ordering the doubleshots!

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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #104 on: Sun, 13 January 2013, 16:18:28 »
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Who's ordering the doubleshots!
I was going to protest and say that spacebar looks funky and that it's probably not going to work well, but then I looked down at my laptop keyboard and realized that the spacebar on that is bigger than the spacebar on my laptop...

I feel this keyboard would work best as a Bluetooth keyboard or some other type of wireless keyboard...Just need to figure out how to power it...
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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #105 on: Sun, 13 January 2013, 16:23:13 »
This would be a pretty badass travel keyboard! Or if you make it fully programmable, it could be a nice little gaming macro pad. I really like this!
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« Reply #106 on: Sun, 13 January 2013, 16:24:50 »
Ha! I love it!

so you're ok with the 1, 1, 6.25, 1, 1, 1? (That's what I added for you)

Yeah, that's great, thanks!
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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #107 on: Sun, 13 January 2013, 18:09:40 »
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Who's ordering the doubleshots!

You better fix those keys on the left side, that layout is not and will not be supported by this :x

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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #108 on: Sun, 13 January 2013, 18:38:49 »
You better fix those keys on the left side, that layout is not and will not be supported by this :x

Ok I lied about this, since some of the switches aren't perfectly aligned, I'm going to do a 100% overhaul on the board ,_, so as of right this moment, all layouts are considered

I'll post soon with all the ones I plan on supporting 100%

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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #109 on: Sun, 13 January 2013, 19:07:07 »
This project definitely seems interesting. Looks perfect cause I don't even use the F row, number row, or arrows/print screen/ insert sections of keyboards.
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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #110 on: Sun, 13 January 2013, 19:27:14 »
ohtay, so, I've decided if I redo the board completely I miiiight be able to shift the controller out of the way of the bottom row, allowing us to make a full 'rectangle' 40% board o.o

The Layouts:


Things I've done:

OneProduct, you get your layout, now shoo. You can add a 1x in the extreme upper right as a pseudo 'Esc' key

PROF125, I changed the switch to a 1.25x instead of a 1x to make the stagger look nicer, it can be 1x.

kmiller8, I changed the two switches to 1.25x instead of a 1x to make the stagger look nicer, they can be 1x.

jdcarpe, I swapped your 1.25x and 1x to fit the layout that's already there, this cannot be changed, unless there is enough room on the PCB to allow it.

These are the 4 layouts I'm higly considering, if anyone has any modifications they'd like to make, or possible add another layout (like maybe relcc's) let me know.

I'll probably re-make this board Tuesday, so get your suggestions in before then :D

E: Here are your restrictions btw:

The 1.75x key cannot be anything smaller or it will interfere with the controller, someone suggested to just put the controller on a separate board, but I really really really don't want to do that :s



Also, as a general rule of thumb, the way the matrix is laid out here are the max keys/row

Row 1 - 12
Row 2 - 11
Row 3 - 11
Row 4 - 10

If I can think of anything else, I'll let you knows.
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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #111 on: Sun, 13 January 2013, 21:00:14 »
updated prof layout layers should come soon


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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #112 on: Sun, 13 January 2013, 21:05:48 »
OneProduct, you get your layout, now shoo. You can add a 1x in the extreme upper right as a pseudo 'Esc' key

Shooing as ordered, but super happy as I do! There's a few people on Deskthority who would probably be interested in that symmetrical layout as well. I suggested it in 7bit's hypermicro/hypermini thread and there was a bit of attention for it.
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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #113 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 04:16:46 »
Now all it needs is a lenovo trackpoint for ultimate portability.
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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #114 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 09:49:53 »
updated prof layout layers should come soon

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That looks like my keyboard layout tool :D

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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #115 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 10:24:23 »
Prof's new layout looks almost the same as mine, except for the bottom row.

Kirk, I hate to change things on you now, but I didn't like the bottom row the way I had it before. Can you change it to reflect this?

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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #116 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 11:29:46 »
Prof's new layout looks almost the same as mine, except for the bottom row.

Kirk, I hate to change things on you now, but I didn't like the bottom row the way I had it before. Can you change it to reflect this?

Yeah, Since I told him he can't move that 1.75 shift, there's not much you can do with the layout other than the bottom rows :))

And it's perfectly fine to be changing layouts now, that's why I gave you all until Tuesday.

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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #117 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 14:33:33 »
soooo... any way to squeeze in something like this?

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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #118 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 14:42:01 »
This board caught my attention - I've been blowing over this thread for awhile, now.  But I'm impressed.  I like the looks of Prof's layout - with the potential for a nice 2nd layer arrow cluster.
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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #119 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 15:01:58 »
This board caught my attention - I've been blowing over this thread for awhile, now.  But I'm impressed.  I like the looks of Prof's layout - with the potential for a nice 2nd layer arrow cluster.
you could have arrows in the lower right if you dont need rshift or relocated it

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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #120 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 15:04:51 »
Much rather have the shift, punctuation, etc... on the primary layer with an arrow cluster on a function layer.

But who knows.
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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #121 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 15:09:43 »
Much rather have the shift, punctuation, etc... on the primary layer with an arrow cluster on a function layer.

But who knows.
well punctuation isnt happening unless you sacrifice letters

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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #122 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 10:23:38 »
I think typing on this keyboard would be real fun, but I have a question. what case can we use for this?
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« Reply #123 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 10:45:00 »
I think typing on this keyboard would be real fun, but I have a question. what case can we use for this?

I plan on making a case from layers of cardboard glued together. But if the footprint of the PCB is the same for all the designs, maybe someone will design a case for it.
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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #124 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 10:59:40 »
I think typing on this keyboard would be real fun, but I have a question. what case can we use for this?

as jdcarpe said, there aren't any ideas for cases right now, I might do a personal run of acrylic cases as something cheap/easy but I'm not 100% sure if I have access to an acrylic cutter just yet :)

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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #125 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 14:26:06 »
OK guys, here's whats going down, Tonight, 6 CST, I'll be streaming me building this PCB with all your stupid layout ideas <3

Depending how long it takes, we might not finish everything tonight since I need to be up early tomorrow for the first day of the semester, be sure to be watching this thread for the link :)

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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #126 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 15:02:44 »
For everyone else: Y U NO EMBRACE SYMMETRICAL LAYOUT? IT R GUD 4 UR HANDZ
I believe in you!! The key positions look pretty good, it's the one I like the best so far, but I would have an even cooler idea.  :cool:

Why not be able to take the board to two pieces in the middle (or keep them together if you like), and have a 5*5 or 6*5 matrix for each hand (with only 1*1's), connected by a relatively short extending cable? That way, both of your hands could look inwards, and it would be really comfortable to type on... sort of like a mobile ErgoDox.  :D
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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #127 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 15:39:32 »
sort of like a mobile ErgoDox.  :D

next project, it'll be a Ergo8 :P

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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #128 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 16:06:43 »
next project, it'll be a Ergo8 :P
I'm in!   ;D

now back to your current project: Do you have any idea about what case material to use, in which colors and finishes?

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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #129 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 17:57:25 »
AAAAAND WE'RE LIVE, probably for the next few hours, so stop by, say hello, DON'T LOOK AT THE SUGGESTED STREAMS FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS PLEASE.

EDIT: 4 hours later ,_, Just need to connect the matrix to the controller, ezpz
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« Reply #130 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 18:00:03 »
Watching now to up your viewer count/ad revenue :P
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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #131 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 18:00:31 »
Where are the non-character keys going to be mapped? Any suggestions? I count 22 keys that need to be mapped in a usable way.

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« Reply #132 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 18:03:58 »
2nd layer would be the only option
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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #133 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 18:05:28 »
Waxing gone wrong? YES!!!

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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #134 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 18:05:58 »
Yes but which keys...

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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #135 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 18:07:52 »
I wish SP made tipro size spacebars, which are 4x I believe. After using a JIS spacebar, I find fullsize spacebars kind of too big.

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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #136 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 18:41:01 »
Considering I only use one hand to ever hit the spacebar - I'm with you.  So much wasted space down there.
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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #137 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 19:20:00 »
Need 7x spacebar for this.

New bottom row: 1.25-1.25-7-1.25-1.25

or 1.5-1-7-1-1.5

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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #138 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 19:31:33 »
4x spacebar availability would be pretty nice.

A bottom row I've wanted to try is 1.25/1.25/1.25/2.25/1.75/2.25/1.25/1.25/1.25/1.25 

PS - not a suggestion, just mentioning it :)


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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #139 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 19:34:00 »
Is it Cherry who made the 4x spacebar for tipro? Possible to get them made in future GMK runs maybe, and start a whole new era of custom boards with 4x spacebars :D

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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #140 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 19:46:32 »
Trackpoint idea:

People could just DIY it, kmiller talked about making it safe to drill (without cutting traces) in irc during his livestream.
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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #141 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 19:56:39 »
Trackpoint idea:

People could just DIY it, kmiller talked about making it safe to drill (without cutting traces) in irc during his livestream.
IDK, though I know it's not entirely possibly, I would much prefer something like the trackpoint-equipped laptops have (between the G, H, and B keys), though I can understand not having that due to keycaps. I'm not sure how I would like a symmetrical keyboard, but I MIGHT try it.
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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #142 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 21:46:15 »
Hold your hands out, palms down in front of your body. Twist both of your hands to the left at your wrist. Which hand is more comfortable?

Put your hands on your keyboard with each finger resting across the keys that it is responsible for:
QAZ for the left pinky, WSX for the left ring finger, etc.
Is your left or right hand more comfortable when you do this?

It makes far more sense for both hands to twist inwards, not outwards! That's just how the body is. Think about how much sense it makes and give it a shot. If you're a human being with human hands and wrists you should enjoy it!

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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #143 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 21:50:08 »
Hold your hands out, palms down in front of your body. Twist both of your hands to the left at your wrist. Which hand is more comfortable?

Put your hands on your keyboard with each finger resting across the keys that it is responsible for:
QAZ for the left pinky, WSX for the left ring finger, etc.
Is your left or right hand more comfortable when you do this?

It makes far more sense for both hands to twist inwards, not outwards! That's just how the body is. Think about how much sense it makes and give it a shot. If you're a human being with human hands and wrists you should enjoy it!

Would you wear two right shoes!? :D

Only if I had two right feet!

Originally I hadn't thought much about this project due to the hypermicro, but at the speed this is going and watching kmiller tonight, I think I should get in on this action! If only SP had 4x spacebars!!!

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« Reply #144 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 21:56:41 »
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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #145 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 22:18:39 »
OK DEWDS, that was a "fun" 4 hours. I got a lot of work done however I didn't finish in connecting the matrix to the controller, that should be a 20-30m job. I'll be sure to update the github once I get that part done, and update the thread with pics :D

like this one from 2nite!



This doesn't show the entire layout, but it shows the part where I am going to try and squeeze the controller to fit all your stupid layouts ,_,

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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #146 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 03:48:51 »
I made a few modifications to maximize the safe area in the center. I have outlined it in pink here. I also flipped the two diodes on the right which I scribbled on in pink.

One thing to note, It complained I didn't have some of your libraries. I don't know if that will mess anything up or if it just doesn't mess with unknown components.

Send me a message on irc if you want a pull request (or hate what I did) I pushed my changes to github.

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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #147 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 04:29:23 »
Whats the safe area for?

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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #148 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 04:39:07 »
It's for milling a vertical slot to make it coin operated.

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Re: kmiller8's 40% Board (Where we're going... we don't need stabilizers)
« Reply #149 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 06:43:28 »
You can drill a hole there if you want to add a trackpoint.
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